Posted by normfriberg (nfriberg@…>)
Yesterday there were only light breezes on the western end of Long
Island sound. John Brown, son of the late, former owner of my Freedom
40 Cat-Ketch Freyja, came aboard to help me understand some of the
more arcane points about the vessel.
One of the things that have been bugging me is the other sails,
besides main and mizzen. John had me drag out the mule: a huge,
inverted vee that uses a sprit and sets between the main and mizzen.
It’s up so high that it catches every wisp of air, and tacks
unattended. It also catches the looks of every sailor around.
Do any of you Cat-Ketch sailors use the mule? Maybe there’s another
name for it?
Regards to all,
Norm Friberg
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Norm,
I’ve never seen or heard from such a sail, and i’m very interested
to see how it looks and sets. Did you take pictures?
the only comparable sail I know is called an Ape (monkey) and was
carried on a huge pole behind the gaff rig of classic sailing
vessels in The Netherlands. It was like an inverted jib aft of the
mainsail.
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “normfriberg”
<nfriberg@…> wrote:
Yesterday there were only light breezes on the western end of Long
Island sound. John Brown, son of the late, former owner of my
Freedom
40 Cat-Ketch Freyja, came aboard to help me understand some of the
more arcane points about the vessel.
One of the things that have been bugging me is the other sails,
besides main and mizzen. John had me drag out the mule: a huge,
inverted vee that uses a sprit and sets between the main and
mizzen.
It’s up so high that it catches every wisp of air, and tacks
unattended. It also catches the looks of every sailor around.
Do any of you Cat-Ketch sailors use the mule? Maybe there’s
another
name for it?
Regards to all,
Norm Friberg
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Norm,
Thanks for the pic! Now I recognize it. I’ve done this a couple of
times also, but without the spar. I hoisted my smallest blade
staysail upside down with the luff along the leech of the main and
the leech along the mizzen mast. I used the staysail halyard as
sheet. On schooners, it’s called a fisherman, as far as I know. And
then it’s a rectangular sail. I found it a lot of hassle and I did
not like the tips of both masts being forced to each other.
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “normfriberg”
<nfriberg@…> wrote:
Yesterday there were only light breezes on the western end of Long
Island sound. John Brown, son of the late, former owner of my
Freedom
40 Cat-Ketch Freyja, came aboard to help me understand some of the
more arcane points about the vessel.
One of the things that have been bugging me is the other sails,
besides main and mizzen. John had me drag out the mule: a huge,
inverted vee that uses a sprit and sets between the main and
mizzen.
It’s up so high that it catches every wisp of air, and tacks
unattended. It also catches the looks of every sailor around.
Do any of you Cat-Ketch sailors use the mule? Maybe there’s
another
name for it?
Regards to all,
Norm Friberg
Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)
See fisherman staysail on a schooner. Much the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: michel.capel
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Hoisting the Mule
Norm,I’ve never seen or heard from such a sail, and i’m very interested to see how it looks and sets. Did you take pictures? the only comparable sail I know is called an Ape (monkey) and was carried on a huge pole behind the gaff rig of classic sailing vessels in The Netherlands. It was like an inverted jib aft of the mainsail.michel— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “normfriberg” <nfriberg@…> wrote:>> Yesterday there were only light breezes on the western end of Long > Island sound. John Brown, son of the late, former owner of my Freedom > 40 Cat-Ketch Freyja, came aboard to help me understand some of the > more arcane points about the vessel.> > One of the things that have been bugging me is the other sails, > besides main and mizzen. John had me drag out the mule: a huge, > inverted vee that uses a sprit and sets between the main and mizzen. > It’s up so high that it catches every wisp of air, and tacks > unattended. It also catches the looks of every sailor around.> > Do any of you Cat-Ketch sailors use the mule? Maybe there’s another > name for it?> > Regards to all,> Norm Friberg>
Posted by brucecranner (crannerb@…>)
Norm:
I have never seen one used on a Cat Ketch, but I grew up sailing
Schooners and the Mule is a commonly used sail on that rig; It was
particularly popular with the fishing Schooners of the Atlantic fishery
at the turn of the century. It sets from the peak of the main to the
peak of the mizzen (or formast in the case of a Schooner) and can either
sheet to the beam (chains) at the base of the main (if triangular) or to
the beam at the base of each mast if quadralateral. The big
quadralateral version is sometimes called a Gollywobbler and will tack
at the base of the forward mast and sheet at the end of the boom of the
aftermast. I have only seen the stayed version on a Wishbone Ketch.
I would love to see this sail flown of a Cat Ketch.
Bruce
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@…> wrote:
Norm,
I’ve never seen or heard from such a sail, and i’m very interested
to see how it looks and sets. Did you take pictures?
the only comparable sail I know is called an Ape (monkey) and was
carried on a huge pole behind the gaff rig of classic sailing
vessels in The Netherlands. It was like an inverted jib aft of the
mainsail.
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “normfriberg”
nfriberg@ wrote:
Yesterday there were only light breezes on the western end of Long
Island sound. John Brown, son of the late, former owner of my
Freedom
40 Cat-Ketch Freyja, came aboard to help me understand some of the
more arcane points about the vessel.
One of the things that have been bugging me is the other sails,
besides main and mizzen. John had me drag out the mule: a huge,
inverted vee that uses a sprit and sets between the main and
mizzen.
It’s up so high that it catches every wisp of air, and tacks
unattended. It also catches the looks of every sailor around.
Do any of you Cat-Ketch sailors use the mule? Maybe there’s
another
name for it?
Regards to all,
Norm Friberg
Posted by Norm Friberg (nfriberg@…>)
Bruce,
I posted a photo on the yahoo group photo page showing the mule from a deck-level camera. It’s not the best view, but it gives you the idea. I wish I could have seen it from outside the boat as well; it must have looked impressive (if a little strange).
Norm
----- Original Message -----
From: brucecranner
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Hoisting the Mule
Norm:I have never seen one used on a Cat Ketch, but I grew up sailingSchooners and the Mule is a commonly used sail on that rig; It wasparticularly popular with the fishing Schooners of the Atlantic fisheryat the turn of the century. It sets from the peak of the main to thepeak of the mizzen (or formast in the case of a Schooner) and can eithersheet to the beam (chains) at the base of the main (if triangular) or tothe beam at the base of each mast if quadralateral. The bigquadralateral version is sometimes called a Gollywobbler and will tackat the base of the forward mast and sheet at the end of the boom of theaftermast. I have only seen the stayed version on a Wishbone Ketch.I would love to see this sail flown of a Cat Ketch.Bruce— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”<michel.capel@…> wrote:>> Norm,>> I’ve never seen or heard from such a sail, and i’m very interested> to see how it looks and sets. Did you take pictures?>> the only comparable sail I know is called an Ape (monkey) and was> carried on a huge pole behind the gaff rig of classic sailing> vessels in The Netherlands. It was like an inverted jib aft of the> mainsail.>> michel>> — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “normfriberg”> nfriberg@ wrote:> >> > Yesterday there were only light breezes on the western end of Long> > Island sound. John Brown, son of the late, former owner of my> Freedom> > 40 Cat-Ketch Freyja, came aboard to help me understand some of the> > more arcane points about the vessel.> >> > One of the things that have been bugging me is the other sails,> > besides main and mizzen. John had me drag out the mule: a huge,> > inverted vee that uses a sprit and sets between the main and> mizzen.> > It’s up so high that it catches every wisp of air, and tacks> > unattended. It also catches the looks of every sailor around.> >> > Do any of you Cat-Ketch sailors use the mule? Maybe there’s> another> > name for it?> >> > Regards to all,> > Norm Friberg> >>
Posted by brucecranner (crannerb@…>)
Norm
Thanks; that’s really great. Did it add speed ? Did it foul the
flow to the mizzen? It looks a lot like what I have seen on a
WIshbone Ketch. BTW. I pulled out some old pictures. The Mule is
the triangular sail, like this one. The quadrilateral sail on a
Schooner is called a Fisherman (someone mentioned that) and the very
large sail which sets outside the main and mizzen (or Foresail) is
the Gollywobbler. Thanks for the photo and the very good idea.
Bruce
– In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Norm Friberg <nfriberg@…>
wrote:
Bruce,
I posted a photo on the yahoo group photo page showing the mule
from a deck-level camera. It’s not the best view, but it gives you
the idea. I wish I could have seen it from outside the boat as
well; it must have looked impressive (if a little strange).
Norm
----- Original Message -----
From: brucecranner
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Hoisting the Mule
Norm:
I have never seen one used on a Cat Ketch, but I grew up sailing
Schooners and the Mule is a commonly used sail on that rig; It
was
particularly popular with the fishing Schooners of the Atlantic
fishery
at the turn of the century. It sets from the peak of the main to
the
peak of the mizzen (or formast in the case of a Schooner) and
can either
sheet to the beam (chains) at the base of the main (if
triangular) or to
the beam at the base of each mast if quadralateral. The big
quadralateral version is sometimes called a Gollywobbler and
will tack
at the base of the forward mast and sheet at the end of the boom
of the
aftermast. I have only seen the stayed version on a Wishbone
Ketch.
I would love to see this sail flown of a Cat Ketch.
Bruce
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@> wrote:
Norm,
I’ve never seen or heard from such a sail, and i’m very
interested
to see how it looks and sets. Did you take pictures?
the only comparable sail I know is called an Ape (monkey) and
was
carried on a huge pole behind the gaff rig of classic sailing
vessels in The Netherlands. It was like an inverted jib aft of
the
mainsail.
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “normfriberg”
nfriberg@ wrote:
Yesterday there were only light breezes on the western end
of Long
Island sound. John Brown, son of the late, former owner of my
Freedom
40 Cat-Ketch Freyja, came aboard to help me understand some
of the
more arcane points about the vessel.
One of the things that have been bugging me is the other
sails,
besides main and mizzen. John had me drag out the mule: a
huge,
inverted vee that uses a sprit and sets between the main and
mizzen.
It’s up so high that it catches every wisp of air, and tacks
unattended. It also catches the looks of every sailor around.
Do any of you Cat-Ketch sailors use the mule? Maybe there’s
another
name for it?
Regards to all,
Norm Friberg
Posted by Norm Friberg (nfriberg@…>)
Bruce,
It didn’t seem to affect the mizzen, although the wind was very light that day.
Norm
----- Original Message -----
From: brucecranner
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Hoisting the Mule
NormThanks; that’s really great. Did it add speed ? Did it foul the flow to the mizzen? It looks a lot like what I have seen on a WIshbone Ketch. BTW. I pulled out some old pictures. The Mule is the triangular sail, like this one. The quadrilateral sail on a Schooner is called a Fisherman (someone mentioned that) and the very large sail which sets outside the main and mizzen (or Foresail) is the Gollywobbler. Thanks for the photo and the very good idea. Bruce-- In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Norm Friberg <nfriberg@…> wrote:>> Bruce,> > I posted a photo on the yahoo group photo page showing the mule from a deck-level camera. It’s not the best view, but it gives you the idea. I wish I could have seen it from outside the boat as well; it must have looked impressive (if a little strange).> > Norm> ----- Original Message ----- > From: brucecranner > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:32 PM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Hoisting the Mule> > > > Norm:> > I have never seen one used on a Cat Ketch, but I grew up sailing> Schooners and the Mule is a commonly used sail on that rig; It was> particularly popular with the fishing Schooners of the Atlantic fishery> at the turn of the century. It sets from the peak of the main to the> peak of the mizzen (or formast in the case of a Schooner) and can either> sheet to the beam (chains) at the base of the main (if triangular) or to> the beam at the base of each mast if quadralateral. The big> quadralateral version is sometimes called a Gollywobbler and will tack> at the base of the forward mast and sheet at the end of the boom of the> aftermast. I have only seen the stayed version on a Wishbone Ketch.> > I would love to see this sail flown of a Cat Ketch.> > Bruce> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”> <michel.capel@> wrote:> >> > Norm,> >> > I’ve never seen or heard from such a sail, and i’m very interested> > to see how it looks and sets. Did you take pictures?> >> > the only comparable sail I know is called an Ape (monkey) and was> > carried on a huge pole behind the gaff rig of classic sailing> > vessels in The Netherlands. It was like an inverted jib aft of the> > mainsail.> >> > michel> >> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “normfriberg”> > nfriberg@ wrote:> > >> > > Yesterday there were only light breezes on the western end of Long> > > Island sound. John Brown, son of the late, former owner of my> > Freedom> > > 40 Cat-Ketch Freyja, came aboard to help me understand some of the> > > more arcane points about the vessel.> > >> > > One of the things that have been bugging me is the other sails,> > > besides main and mizzen. John had me drag out the mule: a huge,> > > inverted vee that uses a sprit and sets between the main and> > mizzen.> > > It’s up so high that it catches every wisp of air, and tacks> > > unattended. It also catches the looks of every sailor around.> > >> > > Do any of you Cat-Ketch sailors use the mule? Maybe there’s> > another> > > name for it?> > >> > > Regards to all,> > > Norm Friberg> > >> >>