Posted by slangevar48 (crawfordceramics@…>)
I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve. Does
anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with one of
these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can
fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but dosen’t
know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t include
dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much
appreciated!
Thanks,
Randy CRawford
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes it of
an opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV
radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port deck,
it will quickly deteriorate in a chute made of relatively translucent
sailcloth. Herm
At 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:
I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve. Does
anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with one of
these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can
fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but dosen’t
know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t include
dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much
appreciated!
Thanks,
Randy CRawford
Posted by jgeorgas@…> (jgeorgas@…>)
From: Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…>
Date: 2008/03/01 Sat AM 10:01:32 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] I need a Chute Scoop
I bought a sleeve from Haarstick in 2002 for about $260 AND AM PLEASED WITH IT.
I ordered it by phone from Gordon Brown at 800-342-5033. E’mail is
gbrown@… They are very familiar with Freedom sails.
$>Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes it of
an opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV
radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port deck,
it will quickly deteriorate in a chute made of relatively translucent
sailcloth. HermAt 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:
I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve. Does
anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with one of
these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can
fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but dosen’t
know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t include
dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much
appreciated!
Thanks,
Randy CRawford
Posted by vtaiariol (borelmfg@…>)
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, <jgeorgas@…>
I have a chute sleeve for a F21 that requires it to be laced to the
bow pulpit. Real pain since I take it off when not sailing. If you
are going to have one made, I would ask the sailmaker if it is
possible to use velcro attachments insead of lacing.
Regards,
Van Taiariol
wrote:
From: Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…>
Date: 2008/03/01 Sat AM 10:01:32 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] I need a Chute ScoopI bought a sleeve from Haarstick in 2002 for about $260 AND AM
PLEASED WITH IT. I ordered it by phone from Gordon Brown at 800-342-
$>Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes
it ofan opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV
radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port
deck,
it will quickly deteriorate in a chute made of relatively
translucent
sailcloth. HermAt 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:
I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve.
Does
anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with
one of
these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can
fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but
dosen’t
know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t
include
dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much
appreciated!
Thanks,
Randy CRawford
Posted by Randy (crawfordceramics@…>)
Thank you Mr.Schiller! An excellent specification. How long did it take you to arrive at that knowledge? RandyHerman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote: Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes it of an opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port deck, it will quickly deteriorate in a chute made of relatively translucent sailcloth. HermAt 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you
wrote:>I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve. Does>anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with one of>these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can>fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but dosen’t>know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t include>dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much>appreciated!>Thanks,>Randy CRawford>>
Posted by Randy (crawfordceramics@…>)
Thank you Van, Good point! So I’ll have a chute made with hook and loop fasteners and an opaq topside. now if I only had dimensions. What are yours? Randy vtaiariol <borelmfg@…> wrote: — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, <jgeorgas@…>I have a chute sleeve for a F21 that requires it to be laced to the bow pulpit. Real pain since I take it off when not sailing. If you are going to have one
made, I would ask the sailmaker if it is possible to use velcro attachments insead of lacing. Regards,Van Taiariolwrote:>> >From: Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…>> >Date: 2008/03/01 Sat AM 10:01:32 CST> >To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] I need a Chute Scoop> > I bought a sleeve from Haarstick in 2002 for about $260 AND AM PLEASED WITH IT. I ordered it by phone from Gordon Brown at 800-342-5033. E’mail is gbrown@… They are very familiar with Freedom sails.> > > $>Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes it of > >an opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV > >radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port deck, > >it will quickly deteriorate
in a chute made of relatively translucent > >sailcloth. Herm> >> >At 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:> >> >>I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve. Does> >>anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with one of> >>these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can> >>fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but dosen’t> >>know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t include> >>dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much> >>appreciated!> >>Thanks,> >>Randy CRawford> >>> >>> >> >>
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Randy,
I bought a used wingmast '82 in 1992, and found out the
first season when the spinnaker blew out. Since then I’ve become a
Freedon 28 (Mull) owner. I assume that you have the GRP chute
entrance molding that fits into the top of the bow pulpit The
spinnaker setup on the F 28 dispenses with this, where the fabric
chute attaches onto (and passes through) the bow pulpit. The front of
the fabric chute fits around the bottom circumference of the GRP
molding, and secures with a line that’s let into the entrance of the
fabric (like the tie in the top of a swimsuit). As I recall, the back
end of the chute tied to the lifeline stanchion near amidships (the
chute had a grommet there for a string-tie). I believe there was also
a grommet for tying to the more forward stanchion. It also tapered
some toward the rear because only the center patch on the spinnaker
resides there, whereas the front end of the thing has to accommodate
the head, clews, and the spinnaker fabric near the foot of the sail.
I assume that you know that the spinnaker halyard goes into the rear
of the fabric chute and is also attached to the center (retracting)
patch of the sail) I hope this helps some. Herm
At 02:14 AM 3/2/2008, you wrote:
Thank you Mr.Schiller!
An excellent specification.
How long did it take you to arrive at that knowledge?
RandyHerman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:
Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes it of
an opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV
radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port deck,
it will quickly deteriorate in a chute made of relatively translucent
sailcloth. HermAt 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:
I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve. Does
anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with one of
these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can
fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but dosen’t
know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t include
dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much
appreciated!
Thanks,
Randy CRawford
Posted by Randy (crawfordceramics@…>)
Herm, that’s all very helpful and I can visualize everything you described- except for one item: the GRP chute entrance molding. What does GRP stand for and What does it look like, what is is made of? I think The only thing on my bow pulpit is the gun mount for the spinnaker boom. I’ll watch the demo video from the manufacturer and see if I can spot that item in use. Thanks For helping newbies like me to get up to speed! Randy Crawford Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote: Randy,I bought a used wingmast '82 in 1992, and found out the first season when the spinnaker blew out. Since then I’ve become a Freedon 28 (Mull) owner. I assume that you have the GRP chute entrance molding that fits into the top of the bow pulpit The spinnaker setup on the F 28 dispenses with this, where the fabric chute attaches onto (and passes through) the bow pulpit. The front of the fabric chute fits around the bottom circumference of the GRP molding, and secures with a line that’s let into the entrance of the fabric (like the tie in the top of a swimsuit). As I recall, the back end of the chute tied to the lifeline stanchion near amidships (the chute had a grommet there for a string-tie). I believe there was also a grommet for tying to the more forward stanchion. It also tapered some toward the rear because only the center patch on the spinnaker resides there, whereas the front end of the
thing has to accommodate the head, clews, and the spinnaker fabric near the foot of the sail. I assume that you know that the spinnaker halyard goes into the rear of the fabric chute and is also attached to the center (retracting) patch of the sail) I hope this helps some. HermAt 02:14 AM 3/2/2008, you wrote:>Thank you Mr.Schiller!>An excellent specification.>How long did it take you to arrive at that knowledge?>Randy>>Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@suddenlink.net> wrote:>Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes it of>an opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV>radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port deck,>it will quickly deteriorate in a chute made of relatively translucent>sailcloth. Herm>>At 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you
wrote:>> >I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve. Does> >anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with one of> >these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can> >fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but dosen’t> >know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t include> >dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much> >appreciated!> >Thanks,> >Randy CRawford> >> >>>>
Posted by Charlie L. (clivaday@…>)
I bought a spinnaker launching/retrieval bag from Haarstick. My F25
does not have the fiberglass mouth-tube that goes into the bow
pulpit, so my bag is made with the mouth as part of the bag. The
mouth ties to the opening at the top of the pulpit, then at the base
of the pulpit, where it makes the turn to lead the spinnaker into the
tubular bag. The spinnaker has a “belly button” line in the center,
which is used to retrieve the doused spinnaker into the bag. Cost was
reasonable, and Haarstick knows how to do it right. Good luck. Charlie
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:
Randy,
I bought a used wingmast '82 in 1992, and found out the
first season when the spinnaker blew out. Since then I’ve become a
Freedon 28 (Mull) owner. I assume that you have the GRP chute
entrance molding that fits into the top of the bow pulpit The
spinnaker setup on the F 28 dispenses with this, where the fabric
chute attaches onto (and passes through) the bow pulpit. The front
of
the fabric chute fits around the bottom circumference of the GRP
molding, and secures with a line that’s let into the entrance of
the
fabric (like the tie in the top of a swimsuit). As I recall, the
back
end of the chute tied to the lifeline stanchion near amidships (the
chute had a grommet there for a string-tie). I believe there was
also
a grommet for tying to the more forward stanchion. It also tapered
some toward the rear because only the center patch on the spinnaker
resides there, whereas the front end of the thing has to
accommodate
the head, clews, and the spinnaker fabric near the foot of the
sail.
I assume that you know that the spinnaker halyard goes into the
rear
of the fabric chute and is also attached to the center (retracting)
patch of the sail) I hope this helps some. HermAt 02:14 AM 3/2/2008, you wrote:
Thank you Mr.Schiller!
An excellent specification.
How long did it take you to arrive at that knowledge?
RandyHerman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:
Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes it
of
an opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV
radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port
deck,
it will quickly deteriorate in a chute made of relatively
translucent
sailcloth. HermAt 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:
I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve.
Does
anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with
one of
these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can
fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but
dosen’t
know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t
include
dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much
appreciated!
Thanks,
Randy CRawford
Posted by vtaiariol (borelmfg@…>)
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Randy
<crawfordceramics@…> wrote:
Randy,
GRP is Glass Reinforced Plastic. To most of us, fiberglass.
On the subject of the chute scoop, the reality is it does not work
as well as advertized by Freedom. Yea, you can kind of launch it
from the cockpit if every thing goes well. That turns out to be less
than 50%. On my f36 I gave up on the scoop. Run DDW, set the kite
behind the main and then rotate the yard square to with wind.
Same for taking it down. This does require two people. One driving
and one setting the kite. So do you really need a chute? You will
end up on the fore deck more times than not any how.
Regards
Van
Herm, that’s all very helpful and I can visualize everything you
described-
except for one item: the GRP chute entrance molding. What does
GRP stand for and
What does it look like, what is is made of? I think The only
thing on my bow pulpit is the gun mount for the spinnaker boom. I’ll
watch the demo video from the manufacturer and see if I can spot
that item in use. Thanks For helping newbies like me to get up to
speed!
Randy CrawfordHerman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:
Randy,
I bought a used wingmast '82 in 1992, and found out the
first season when the spinnaker blew out. Since then I’ve become a
Freedon 28 (Mull) owner. I assume that you have the GRP chute
entrance molding that fits into the top of the bow pulpit The
spinnaker setup on the F 28 dispenses with this, where the fabric
chute attaches onto (and passes through) the bow pulpit. The front
of
the fabric chute fits around the bottom circumference of the GRP
molding, and secures with a line that’s let into the entrance of
the
fabric (like the tie in the top of a swimsuit). As I recall, the
back
end of the chute tied to the lifeline stanchion near amidships
(the
chute had a grommet there for a string-tie). I believe there was
also
a grommet for tying to the more forward stanchion. It also tapered
some toward the rear because only the center patch on the
spinnaker
resides there, whereas the front end of the thing has to
accommodate
the head, clews, and the spinnaker fabric near the foot of the
sail.
I assume that you know that the spinnaker halyard goes into the
rear
of the fabric chute and is also attached to the center
(retracting)
patch of the sail) I hope this helps some. HermAt 02:14 AM 3/2/2008, you wrote:
Thank you Mr.Schiller!
An excellent specification.
How long did it take you to arrive at that knowledge?
RandyHerman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:
Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes it
of
an opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV
radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port
deck,
it will quickly deteriorate in a chute made of relatively
translucent
sailcloth. HermAt 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:
I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve.
Does
anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25
with one of
these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can
fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but
dosen’t
know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t
include
dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much
appreciated!
Thanks,
Randy CRawford
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
GRP just means “Glass Reinforced Plastic” - otherwise known to the rest
of us as “fiberglass.”
Lance
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Randy <crawfordceramics@…>
wrote:
Herm, that’s all very helpful and I can visualize everything you
described-
except for one item: the GRP chute entrance molding. What does GRP
stand for and
What does it look like, what is is made of? I think The only thing
on my bow pulpit is the gun mount for the spinnaker boom. I’ll watch
the demo video from the manufacturer and see if I can spot that item in
use. Thanks For helping newbies like me to get up to speed!
Randy Crawford
Posted by Randy (crawfordceramics@…>)
Thanks Lance- I appreciate the translation from ME to the 70’s vernacular. My Boat didn’t come with one of these C.E.M.s But if someone has a picture, I may consider fashioning an ersatz mold and laying up one of these devices… But probably I’ll just use the fabric version. I will be soliciting a price quote from Dave Bierig in Erie PA to design a Chute Sleeve based upon everyones contributions. Thanks to all! Regards, Randy “Slangevar” Dunkirk, NY here are the other possible denotations of GRP: Acronym Definition GRP Group GRP Gastrin-Releasing Peptide (biology) GRP
Gateway Routing Protocol GRP Gentoo Reference Platform GRP Geophysical Research Program GRP Gewex Radiation Panel GRP Gigabit Route Processor GRP Glass Reinforced Plastic GRP Global Remuneration Professional (WorldatWork certification program) GRP Global Response Pistol (Nighthawk Custom Pistol) GRP Glucose-Regulated Protein\ GRP Grand Rapids Press (Grand Rapids, Michigan) GRP Grassland Reserve Program (USDA) GRP Greatest Response Probability GRP Green-Rainbow Party
(Massachusetts) GRP Grid Reference Point GRP Gross Rating Point (advertising) GRP Gross Rating Point (marketing, television audience) GRP Ground Reference Point GRP Ground Rock Phosphate GRP Groundwater Resource Protection GRP Group (file name extension) GRP Guaranteed Renewable Policy(holder) (insurance) GRP Guatemala Racing Products GRP Guidance Replacement Program (Minuteman III) GRP Ozark Air Lines, Great Plains Airlines (ICAO code) lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote: GRP just means “Glass Reinforced Plastic” - otherwise known to the rest of us as “fiberglass.” Lance— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Randy <crawfordceramics@…> wrote:>> Herm, that’s all very helpful and I can visualize everything you described-> except for one item: the GRP chute entrance molding.
What does GRP stand for and > What does it look like, what is is made of? I think The only thing on my bow pulpit is the gun mount for the spinnaker boom. I’ll watch the demo video from the manufacturer and see if I can spot that item in use. Thanks For helping newbies like me to get up to speed!> Randy Crawford
Posted by Randy (crawfordceramics@…>)
Hmmmm, No wonder Spinakers are such a rarified animal. Well I only plan on using when I have able crew anyhow. It sure looks amazingly simple in the videos!!! Wonder how many takes they had to do to get those clips? Randyvtaiariol <borelmfg@…> wrote: — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Randy <crawfordceramics@…> wrote:Randy,GRP is Glass Reinforced Plastic. To most of us,
fiberglass.On the subject of the chute scoop, the reality is it does not work as well as advertized by Freedom. Yea, you can kind of launch it from the cockpit if every thing goes well. That turns out to be less than 50%. On my f36 I gave up on the scoop. Run DDW, set the kite behind the main and then rotate the yard square to with wind. Same for taking it down. This does require two people. One driving and one setting the kite. So do you really need a chute? You will end up on the fore deck more times than not any how.RegardsVan>> Herm, that’s all very helpful and I can visualize everything you described-> except for one item: the GRP chute entrance molding. What does GRP stand for and > What does it look like, what is is made of? I think The only thing on my bow pulpit is the gun mount for the spinnaker boom. I’ll watch the demo video from the manufacturer and see if I can spot
that item in use. Thanks For helping newbies like me to get up to speed!> Randy Crawford> > > Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:> Randy,> I bought a used wingmast '82 in 1992, and found out the > first season when the spinnaker blew out. Since then I’ve become a > Freedon 28 (Mull) owner. I assume that you have the GRP chute > entrance molding that fits into the top of the bow pulpit The > spinnaker setup on the F 28 dispenses with this, where the fabric > chute attaches onto (and passes through) the bow pulpit. The front of > the fabric chute fits around the bottom circumference of the GRP > molding, and secures with a line that’s let into the entrance of the > fabric (like the tie in the top of a swimsuit). As I recall, the back > end of the chute tied to the lifeline stanchion near amidships (the > chute had a
grommet there for a string-tie). I believe there was also > a grommet for tying to the more forward stanchion. It also tapered > some toward the rear because only the center patch on the spinnaker > resides there, whereas the front end of the thing has to accommodate > the head, clews, and the spinnaker fabric near the foot of the sail. > I assume that you know that the spinnaker halyard goes into the rear > of the fabric chute and is also attached to the center (retracting) > patch of the sail) I hope this helps some. Herm> > At 02:14 AM 3/2/2008, you wrote:> > >Thank you Mr.Schiller!> >An excellent specification.> >How long did it take you to arrive at that knowledge?> >Randy> >> >Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:> >Make sure that whoever makes one of these chutes for you makes it
of> >an opaque material. Spinnaker cloth is very sensitive to UV> >radiation, and because the chute lies horizontally on the port deck,> >it will quickly deteriorate in a chute made of relatively translucent> >sailcloth. Herm> >> >At 11:25 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:> >> > >I have a Freedom 25 and she is missing the chute scoop sleeve. Does> > >anybody know of a maker of these or does anyone have a F-25 with one of> > >these, that can provide me with the specs so my sail maker can> > >fabricate one? He has one used that is a “regular scoop” but dosen’t> > >know if this will work on an F-25, and his pattern book doesn’t include> > >dimensions, etc. for that accessory. Any input would be much> > >appreciated!> > >Thanks,> > >Randy CRawford> > >>