Posted by William A. Cormack (wacormack@…>)
I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are 3/16" and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers had a second covering of vinyl snapped over them.
Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?
Bill
Posted by Tom Vesey (tvesey@…>)
I replaced the lifelines on my F44 three months ago. They were rusting at the ends, and rust was oozing through cracks in the vinyl in a couple of places. The vinyl itself was looking pretty ugly. I couldn’t think of any reason to change the turnbuckles and other hardware, which looked as good as new…though in the process I noticed that a couple of the turnbuckles had nuts missing from them, which I replaced. I used lifelines without the vinyl covering, because that is what offshore racing rules require these days on the theory that it’s much safer when corrosion and other problems aren’t hidden by vinyl. I thought it would look uglier with the bare metal wire instead of the smooth white vinyl … but once it was installed I found that exactly the opposite was true. The bare metal kind of made the lifelines disappear from view when you stood back a little, and I think it made the boat look better.Tom JackrabbitOn Feb 21, 2006, at 11:13 AM, William A. Cormack wrote: I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are 3/16" and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers had a second covering of vinyl snapped over them. Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering? Bill SPONSORED LINKS Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
Assuming the new lifelines will last at least 10-15 years how
comfortable will you be in 10 years with 30 year old hardware?
I agree with skipping the vinyl covering. I’d consider hanging some of
those closed cell foam swim noodles that are sold as pool toys on the
lifelines. You could just attach them with tie wraps so they could be
removed seasonally. Even if the tie warp fails due to UV exposure
which they will if left out, you’re only out 4 bucks for the pool
toy. Plus if you’ve got kids they’ll use the noodles when playing in
the water. Just let them dry out before putting them back on the
lifelines.
I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be
original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are 3/16"
and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers had a
second covering of vinyl snapped over them.Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and
other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?Bill
Posted by Skip Turpin (skipperf33@…>)
As for old fittings, if after close inspection they look good, they
probably are.
Factory Vinyl covering would be I think bonded to the wire and would
actually protect the wire from moisture. The vinyl material would
also be easier on anything that might rub up against it like skin,
lines, sail materials. My boat for its size is very roomy, but like
it or not, I was forced to us my life lines, which by the way are
supporting my life-netting, to tie various plastic containers
carrying extra water and fuel to. Not to mention my trusty 10 foot
sailing Fold-A-Boat that nestles against the port lifelines just
forward of the cockpit combing.
Another advantage of the white vinyl covering is that the lifelines
become very visible to crew moving about the deck, specially at
night. This extra visual que when in a seaway helps a lot towards
maintaining your balance, day or night.
As far as the esthetics of life lines or any other safety equipment
aboard, I feel safety is much more important than looks. For me
seeing any safety equipment at all, specially in good serviceable
condition, is esthetically pleasing as well as reasureing. Yes one
must constantly inspect the boat to insure that all is well, and
lifelines are part of that!
Here is a sad commentary! I was in a very popular chandlery here in
San Diego that caters to the cruising community in particular. That
was back when I was in the middle of outfitting my F33 for blue water
cruising. At the time, I was looking at a Para Anchor and picking
the store owners brain. I had noticed that the same chute (very good
quality) had been hanging there on display for over a year. This
seamed a bit odd to me and I passed that sentiment on to the owner.
He looked me straight in the eye and said “Skip, this may surprise
you but, you are are an unusual buyer! The sad fact is that most
people will not pay the price for really good safety equipment!” I
was aghast at the implication! Very sad!
Skip
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<wacormack@…> wrote:
I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be
original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are
3/16" and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers
had a second covering of vinyl snapped over them.Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and
other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?Bill
Posted by Skip Turpin (skipperf33@…>)
Dave makes a good point about the over all age of fittings! It is
hard to put a price on piece of mind!
Skip
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<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:
Assuming the new lifelines will last at least 10-15 years how
comfortable will you be in 10 years with 30 year old hardware?I agree with skipping the vinyl covering. I’d consider hanging some
of
those closed cell foam swim noodles that are sold as pool toys on
the
lifelines. You could just attach them with tie wraps so they could
be
removed seasonally. Even if the tie warp fails due to UV exposure
which they will if left out, you’re only out 4 bucks for the pool
toy. Plus if you’ve got kids they’ll use the noodles when playing in
the water. Just let them dry out before putting them back on the
lifelines.I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be
original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are
3/16"
and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers had
a
second covering of vinyl snapped over them.Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and
other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?Bill
Posted by bill weber (billpeggyweber@…>)
I thought I was the only genious using noodles as lifeline cushions. OH well’‘’'Skip Turpin <skipperf33@…> wrote: Dave makes a good point about the over all age of fittings! It is hard to put a price on piece of mind! Skip — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin” <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: > > Assuming the new lifelines will last at least 10-15 years how > comfortable will you be in 10 years with 30 year old hardware? > > I agree with skipping the vinyl covering. I’d consider hanging some of > those closed cell foam swim noodles that are sold as pool toys on the > lifelines. You could just attach them with tie wraps so they could be > removed seasonally. Even if the tie warp fails due to UV
exposure > which they will if left out, you’re only out 4 bucks for the pool > toy. Plus if you’ve got kids they’ll use the noodles when playing in > the water. Just let them dry out before putting them back on the > lifelines. > > > > I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be > original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are 3/16" > and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers had a > second covering of vinyl snapped over them. > > > > Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and > other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering? > > > > Bill > > >
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Posted by Mike Kovacic (sailslakemichigan@…>)
I replaced the lifelines on a previous boat, prior to buying our current F36/38. I agree with the others, I wanted everything to be new. One can not measure the fatigue that has occured in hardware that has been in service for nearly 20 years. I also wanted a newer style of gates and for everything to match, so in my case it was for lots of reasons. At the time I used the coated lifeline material, but if I were doing it today I would go with the uncoated. I think it is part of updating a boat and it will look better longer as there is no white coating to get damaged and turn brown or yellow. Good Luck! MikeSkip Turpin <skipperf33@…> wrote: As for old fittings, if after close inspection they look good, they probably are.Factory
Vinyl covering would be I think bonded to the wire and would actually protect the wire from moisture. The vinyl material would also be easier on anything that might rub up against it like skin, lines, sail materials. My boat for its size is very roomy, but like it or not, I was forced to us my life lines, which by the way are supporting my life-netting, to tie various plastic containers carrying extra water and fuel to. Not to mention my trusty 10 foot sailing Fold-A-Boat that nestles against the port lifelines just forward of the cockpit combing.Another advantage of the white vinyl covering is that the lifelines become very visible to crew moving about the deck, specially at night. This extra visual que when in a seaway helps a lot towards maintaining your balance, day or night. As far as the esthetics of life lines or any other safety equipment aboard, I feel safety is much more important
than looks. For me seeing any safety equipment at all, specially in good serviceable condition, is esthetically pleasing as well as reasureing. Yes one must constantly inspect the boat to insure that all is well, and lifelines are part of that! Here is a sad commentary! I was in a very popular chandlery here in San Diego that caters to the cruising community in particular. That was back when I was in the middle of outfitting my F33 for blue water cruising. At the time, I was looking at a Para Anchor and picking the store owners brain. I had noticed that the same chute (very good quality) had been hanging there on display for over a year. This seamed a bit odd to me and I passed that sentiment on to the owner. He looked me straight in the eye and said “Skip, this may surprise you but, you are are an unusual buyer! The sad fact is that most people will not pay the
price for really good safety equipment!” I was aghast at the implication! Very sad!Skip— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “William A. Cormack” <wacormack@…> wrote:>> I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are 3/16" and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers had a second covering of vinyl snapped over them.> > Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?> > Bill>
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Posted by johncd3141 (johncd@…>)
My experience with using pool noodles on lifelines as cushions is
that the thin lifeline wire quickly cuts its way out of the foam.
On my second attempt I found some small diameter PVC pipe to use as
an inner core. I cut a slot in the PVC pipe with a table saw using a
fine tooth, thin kerf blade just peeking out of the table (~3/16")
with a fence on both side of the pipe. The slotted pipe snapped
around the lifeline wire and a strip of duct tape closed the gap. My
pool noodles had a 1/2" hollow core (which matched my PVC pipe’s OD),
so I a cut a slot length-wise from the outside to the core using a
serrated bread knife and slipped the noodle over the PVP pipe already
on the lifeline. A spiral wrap of tape secured the new lifeline
cushion as well as providing some UV protection. If/when the pool
noodles wear out, replacing them on the PVC cores will be a simple
and easy task.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, bill weber
<billpeggyweber@…> wrote:
I thought I was the only genious using noodles as lifeline
cushions. OH well’‘’’Skip Turpin <skipperf33@…> wrote: Dave makes a good point
about the over all age of fittings! It is
hard to put a price on piece of mind!Skip
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@> wrote:Assuming the new lifelines will last at least 10-15 years how
comfortable will you be in 10 years with 30 year old hardware?I agree with skipping the vinyl covering. I’d consider hanging
some
of
those closed cell foam swim noodles that are sold as pool toys
on
the
lifelines. You could just attach them with tie wraps so they
could
be
removed seasonally. Even if the tie warp fails due to UV exposure
which they will if left out, you’re only out 4 bucks for the
pool
toy. Plus if you’ve got kids they’ll use the noodles when
playing in
the water. Just let them dry out before putting them back on the
lifelines.I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be
original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are
3/16"
and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers
had
a
second covering of vinyl snapped over them.Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and
other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?Bill
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
An easier way to protect the pool noodle is to wrap some of that cable
loom or spiral wrap material around the lifeline. It’s a bit pricier
than PVC but you won’t need to cut anything.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “johncd3141” <johncd@…> wrote:
My experience with using pool noodles on lifelines as cushions is
that the thin lifeline wire quickly cuts its way out of the foam.
On my second attempt I found some small diameter PVC pipe to use as
an inner core. I cut a slot in the PVC pipe with a table saw using a
fine tooth, thin kerf blade just peeking out of the table (~3/16")
with a fence on both side of the pipe. The slotted pipe snapped
around the lifeline wire and a strip of duct tape closed the gap. My
pool noodles had a 1/2" hollow core (which matched my PVC pipe’s OD),
so I a cut a slot length-wise from the outside to the core using a
serrated bread knife and slipped the noodle over the PVP pipe already
on the lifeline. A spiral wrap of tape secured the new lifeline
cushion as well as providing some UV protection. If/when the pool
noodles wear out, replacing them on the PVC cores will be a simple
and easy task.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, bill weber
<billpeggyweber@> wrote:I thought I was the only genious using noodles as lifeline
cushions. OH well’‘’’Skip Turpin <skipperf33@> wrote: Dave makes a good point
about the over all age of fittings! It is
hard to put a price on piece of mind!Skip
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@> wrote:Assuming the new lifelines will last at least 10-15 years how
comfortable will you be in 10 years with 30 year old hardware?I agree with skipping the vinyl covering. I’d consider hanging
some
of
those closed cell foam swim noodles that are sold as pool toys
on
the
lifelines. You could just attach them with tie wraps so they
could
be
removed seasonally. Even if the tie warp fails due to UV exposure
which they will if left out, you’re only out 4 bucks for the
pool
toy. Plus if you’ve got kids they’ll use the noodles when
playing in
the water. Just let them dry out before putting them back on the
lifelines.I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be
original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are
3/16"
and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers
had
a
second covering of vinyl snapped over them.Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and
other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?Bill
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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (schiller@…>)
I’ve done something similar to what’s being discussed. However, I
used 1/2" CPVC pipe (it has a thinner wall, hence is narrower), foam
plumbing pipe insulation, and covered the whole shebang with a
tube/sleeve of acrylic canvas (Sunbrella) with little hems at each
end through which a string is pulled to tighten up the end of the
fabric sleeve. Effectively, I’ve recreated the lifeline cushion shown
on page 239 of the new Defender catalog. Herm
At 06:08 PM 2/21/2006, you wrote:
An easier way to protect the pool noodle is to wrap some of that cable
loom or spiral wrap material around the lifeline. It’s a bit pricier
than PVC but you won’t need to cut anything.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “johncd3141” <johncd@…> wrote:
My experience with using pool noodles on lifelines as cushions is
that the thin lifeline wire quickly cuts its way out of the foam.
On my second attempt I found some small diameter PVC pipe to use as
an inner core. I cut a slot in the PVC pipe with a table saw using a
fine tooth, thin kerf blade just peeking out of the table (~3/16")
with a fence on both side of the pipe. The slotted pipe snapped
around the lifeline wire and a strip of duct tape closed the gap. My
pool noodles had a 1/2" hollow core (which matched my PVC pipe’s OD),
so I a cut a slot length-wise from the outside to the core using a
serrated bread knife and slipped the noodle over the PVP pipe already
on the lifeline. A spiral wrap of tape secured the new lifeline
cushion as well as providing some UV protection. If/when the pool
noodles wear out, replacing them on the PVC cores will be a simple
and easy task.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, bill weber
<billpeggyweber@> wrote:I thought I was the only genious using noodles as lifeline
cushions. OH well’‘’’Skip Turpin <skipperf33@> wrote: Dave makes a good point
about the over all age of fittings! It is
hard to put a price on piece of mind!Skip
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@> wrote:Assuming the new lifelines will last at least 10-15 years how
comfortable will you be in 10 years with 30 year old hardware?I agree with skipping the vinyl covering. I’d consider hanging
some
of
those closed cell foam swim noodles that are sold as pool toys
on
the
lifelines. You could just attach them with tie wraps so they
could
be
removed seasonally. Even if the tie warp fails due to UV exposure
which they will if left out, you’re only out 4 bucks for the
pool
toy. Plus if you’ve got kids they’ll use the noodles when
playing in
the water. Just let them dry out before putting them back on the
lifelines.I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be
original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are
3/16"
and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers
had
a
second covering of vinyl snapped over them.Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and
other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?Bill
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Posted by Alfred Roberts (lab2doodle@…>)
I use them on my mooring lines to keep them from getting under the mooring ball.bill weber <billpeggyweber@…> wrote: I thought I was the only genious using noodles as lifeline cushions. OH well’‘’'Skip Turpin <skipperf33@…> wrote: Dave makes a good point about the over all age of fittings! It is hard to put a price on piece of mind!Skip— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin” <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:>> Assuming the new lifelines will last at least 10-15 years how> comfortable will you be in 10 years with 30 year old hardware?> > I agree with skipping the vinyl covering. I’d consider hanging some of>
those closed cell foam swim noodles that are sold as pool toys on the> lifelines. You could just attach them with tie wraps so they could be> removed seasonally. Even if the tie warp fails due to UV exposure> which they will if left out, you’re only out 4 bucks for the pool> toy. Plus if you’ve got kids they’ll use the noodles when playing in> the water. Just let them dry out before putting them back on the> lifelines. > >> > I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be> original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are 3/16"> and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers had a> second covering of vinyl snapped over them.> > > > Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and> other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?> > > >
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Posted by tom (ketch_22@…>)
One problem with eliminating the covering, is that laundry clipped to
the life line may accumulate rust stains. Not a problem for racers,
cruisers might be annoyed.
Tom
Ketch 22
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “William A. Cormack”
<wacormack@…> wrote:
I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be
original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are 3/16"
and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers had a
second covering of vinyl snapped over them.Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and
other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?Bill
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
ORC regs require that the lines be uncoated, although there are
grandfather clauses for boats of a certain age. This is, as other
posters have pointed out, because coated lifelines may develop or hide
crevice pitting and corrosion that is hard to detect (another reason
to forgo the coatings even for cruisers, especially doing blue water
sailing). ORC regs do allow the white snap-on covers, however, since
those allow the cover to be removed for inspection of the condition of
the lifelines. That might be a good compromise for cruising sailors
who want a combination life/clothesline.
Lance
Posted by wink50109 (jlittle@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “William A. Cormack”
<wacormack@…> wrote:
I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36. They look to be
original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old. The uppers are 3/16"
and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and the uppers had a
second covering of vinyl snapped over them.Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the turnbuckles and
other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl covering?Bill
I replaced everything several years ago. I found Defender to have the
best price by far with great service. They will quote from your
measurements but if you send them the old LLs they will return an
exact replacement.
john
Posted by JoanJohn@… (JoanJohn@…)
Be sure to check closely the threads on the old turnbuckles. They can suffer galling (I think that’s the word) from being turned under heavy load without lubricant. the accumulated salt and fine grit chews them up.
John
Posted by mike cunningham (seychellois_lib@…>)
I recently had West Marine do mine (F30) and was very
disappointed. I asked for exact duplicates but
received swages that we larger diamater than original.
This forced me it disassemble the lifelines so I could
thread them through the holes in my stanchions. Also,
my stbd lower was about five inches short (don’t ask
me how they did it) and I had to buy a couple of 180
degree twist shakles to make up the difference. Guess
I could have sent them back to the vendor but I am
remote from my boat and this would have been a huge
hassle. I asked to keep my origianl turnbuckles to
save dallars but they claimed that they probably
couldn’t match them. Shame on me for not doing more
shopping.
— wink50109 <jlittle@…> wrote:
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “William
A. Cormack”
<wacormack@…> wrote:I’m about to replace the lifelines on my F36.
They look to be
original equipment and, therefore, 20 years old.
The uppers are 3/16"
and the lowers are 1/8". Both are vinyl covered and
the uppers had a
second covering of vinyl snapped over them.Can anyone comment on the wisdom of reusing the
turnbuckles and
other hardware? Also should we forgo the vinyl
covering?Bill
I replaced everything several years ago. I found
Defender to have the
best price by far with great service. They will
quote from your
measurements but if you send them the old LLs they
will return an
exact replacement.
john
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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (schiller@…>)
All turnbuckle threads should be lubricated with Permatex Anti-seize
compound or equivalent. This stuff is also very useful on other
things that corrode to the point that they cannot be disassembled
(such as exhaust fittings’ bolts and nuts). I use the anti-seize on
everything where heat hastens corrosion, using Locktite (medium -
blue) on things that don’t run hot, and are rarely
disassembled/adjusted. Locktite is good on anchor chain shackles. It
seals out the salt water and oxygen resulting in easy disassembly
even after many years. Herm Herm
At 10:02 AM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
Be sure to check closely the threads on the old turnbuckles. They
can suffer galling (I think that’s the word) from being turned under
heavy load without lubricant. the accumulated salt and fine grit
chews them up.John
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Posted by my1972ih (my1972ih@…>)
Wanting opinions about the pros and cons of replacing cable lifelines
with UV stable cordage, and recommendations on cordage to use if we do
it.
Reggie
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
From another forum:
Spectra/Vectran/Amsteel lifelines can be a good thing (low stretch, reduced chafe, comfortable, and strong), but there are a few things you need to concern yourself with. First off, check your insurance company. Some do not allow the use of cordage lifelines. Secondly, be aware that the ORC does not allow for anything other than 1x19 uncoated lifelines. Thirdly, be careful with abrasion and UV damage. These systems are even more subject to this degradation.
Also, you need to splice or have spliced the Amsteel; knots don’t do it. UI understand that, at the end of the day, the cordage lifelines are no less expensive.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of my1972ihSent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:42 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] LifelinesWanting opinions about the pros and cons of replacing cable lifelines with UV stable cordage, and recommendations on cordage to use if we do it.Reggie
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Posted by Merrick White (r__merrick_white@…>)
We replaced our old lifelines last year with Amsteel 12 strand. It
is a high molecular weight polyethylene(HMWPE)line with an average
strength of 6,600 lbs. I also had to replaced the hardware, but
since it was 20+ years old I would have done that anyway.
We were pleased with the result, it was easy to splice, and I can
easily replace any section that may show wear in the future.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “my1972ih” <my1972ih@…>
wrote:
Wanting opinions about the pros and cons of replacing cable
lifelines
with UV stable cordage, and recommendations on cordage to use if
we do
it.
Reggie