Looing for Freedom 40 Cat ketch

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Posted by sailorvela (sailorvela@…>)

Hi Guys!

I just found this site. My wife and I are looking to move up from our
Iroquois 30’ catamaran to a Freedom 40 (cat ketch 78-84 vintage).
Please let me know if you know of any boats available in the East
coast. I already know about the ones in yacthworld and “Bright Star”, I
just want to get a complete picture.

Any special details with these boats? Things to look for or check?

Thanks.

Alex

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Hello Alex,

Welcome to our Freedom Yacht Group. If you browse through our
messages, you will find many answers to your questions. The owner of
Bright Star is also a regular contributor of this board.

Best,
Michel Capel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “sailorvela”
<sailorvela@…> wrote:

Hi Guys!

I just found this site. My wife and I are looking to move up from
our
Iroquois 30’ catamaran to a Freedom 40 (cat ketch 78-84 vintage).
Please let me know if you know of any boats available in the East
coast. I already know about the ones in yacthworld and “Bright
Star”, I
just want to get a complete picture.

Any special details with these boats? Things to look for or check?

Thanks.

Alex

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Posted by svfantasy@… (svfantasy@…>)
Hi Alex,
First of all, the F-40 CK is a great boat. Very seakindly motion, excellent off-wind performance, and she sails to windward pretty well also. I have the centerboard version ( I believe there are other configurations that were made, but not really sure) which is great for shallow waters. I live-aboard so I can attest to the comfort afforded by this interior.
As far as things to watch for, the hull and deck are end-grain balsa core. So be sure to have an experienced surveyor determine if the core is wet or rotten. Very expensive repair!! The original carbon fiber masts are prone to surface cracking of the exterior mud coat. It may look more serious than it is. As long as the cracks do not enter the lay-up its just cosmetic. So, have these cracks inspected by a knowledgeable surveyor.
Many original rigs have been converted to standard booms, doing away with the wrap-around sails and wishbone booms. Many prefer the wishbone booms but have upgraded the sails to slide up a mast mounted track systems with full battens. Some like “Fantasy” have converted to a setup similar to the Nonsuch or Wylie rig, which has the front of the wishbones suspended in a fixed position. It’s a very easy rig to handle, or singlehand, when all lines are run aft.
These boats are built very well, and standup well in a blow. Price depends upon whether you buy on the East or West coasts, and how upgraded the engine and equipment is. Prices are generally less exspensive on the East coast. Hope this helps.
Jay Glen
FReedom 40 CK “Fantasy”
San Francisco Bay

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Posted by sailorvela (sailorvela@…>)

Thanks for the replies and information!

I think the Freedom 40 may be just the right boat for our family’s
future plans, plus they are beautifull boats to boot!

By the way. Any information of Freedom 40’s doing any bluewater
passages? Any reports of wet core on the hulls?

Cheers,

Alex

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Alex,

The problems I’ve heard of about wet core in Freedoms are mainly on
deck and related to not sealing the core material before mounting
deck hardware. Rotted core is bad, wet core is not a problem is you
can remove the cause and drill holes in the laminate on the inside
to let it dry for a year or so.

About blue water: I am sure several F40’s made long ocean passages,
I know of several northern atlantic crossings.

I know of one story where an F40 was hit by a severe gale on the
trip south from Fiji to New Zealand. There was an official report by
the NZ authorities about that because several yachts and lives were
lost. Not the F40, by the way. The F40 did a 360* and several 180*'s
because they did not use the best storm tactics; they took off al
the sails, lashed the rudder and went inside to wait for it to end.
The masts were still standing after the rolls. If they would have
actively steered and dodged the breaking waves, they would have done
even better. Of course, the interior was a bit of a mess after all
that.

Best, michel


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “sailorvela”
<sailorvela@…> wrote:

Thanks for the replies and information!

I think the Freedom 40 may be just the right boat for our family’s
future plans, plus they are beautifull boats to boot!

By the way. Any information of Freedom 40’s doing any bluewater
passages? Any reports of wet core on the hulls?

Cheers,

Alex

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Hi Alex,
I’ll second all the other opinions already offered about the Freedom
40 CK. The ease of handling is well documented, and for an 80s boat,
there is quite a bit of interior volume. It’s not a 40’ catalina or
hunter of today’s standards, but then, I’m not sure how comfortable
one of those would be out of sight of land and away from 50 amp
shorepower.

Bright Star was remarkably well behaved in the two ‘open ocean’
passages I’ve made in her. One was across the gulf of maine with a
full crew. The other was when I bought her down in Md and took her
from Cape May to Montauk. In the latter case, the weather was foul,
but the boat handled incredibly well. I wouldn’t hesitate to use her
for long passage making.

As far as things you should look for, these boats were built with
polyester resin and, depending on the environment and the use, may
have blisters on the bottom. In my experience, the repair is pretty
straightforward and not the nightmares that some people experience
with poorly constructed boats, and shouldn’t be a deterrent as you’re
looking. please feel free to contact me if you’d like to talk more
about the pluses and minuses.

Lance Ryley
Bright Star

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “sailorvela”
<sailorvela@…> wrote:

Hi Guys!

I just found this site. My wife and I are looking to move up from
our
Iroquois 30’ catamaran to a Freedom 40 (cat ketch 78-84 vintage).
Please let me know if you know of any boats available in the East
coast. I already know about the ones in yacthworld and “Bright
Star”, I
just want to get a complete picture.

Any special details with these boats? Things to look for or check?

Thanks.

Alex

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Posted by sailorvela (sailorvela@…>)

Great info
Thanks again!

I guess it’s a matter of selling the Iroquois to pursue a Freedom.
Allways hard to sell a boat you kept for a while.

Cheers,

Alex

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@…> wrote:

Hi Alex,
I’ll second all the other opinions already offered about the
Freedom
40 CK. The ease of handling is well documented, and for an 80s
boat,
there is quite a bit of interior volume. It’s not a 40’ catalina
or
hunter of today’s standards, but then, I’m not sure how
comfortable
one of those would be out of sight of land and away from 50 amp
shorepower.

Bright Star was remarkably well behaved in the two ‘open ocean’
passages I’ve made in her. One was across the gulf of maine with a
full crew. The other was when I bought her down in Md and took her
from Cape May to Montauk. In the latter case, the weather was
foul,
but the boat handled incredibly well. I wouldn’t hesitate to use
her
for long passage making.

As far as things you should look for, these boats were built with
polyester resin and, depending on the environment and the use, may
have blisters on the bottom. In my experience, the repair is
pretty
straightforward and not the nightmares that some people experience
with poorly constructed boats, and shouldn’t be a deterrent as
you’re
looking. please feel free to contact me if you’d like to talk more
about the pluses and minuses.

Lance Ryley
Bright Star

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “sailorvela”
<sailorvela@> wrote:

Hi Guys!

I just found this site. My wife and I are looking to move up
from
our
Iroquois 30’ catamaran to a Freedom 40 (cat ketch 78-84
vintage).
Please let me know if you know of any boats available in the
East
coast. I already know about the ones in yacthworld and “Bright
Star”, I
just want to get a complete picture.

Any special details with these boats? Things to look for or
check?

Thanks.

Alex

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Posted by William A. Cormack (wacormack@…>)

What’s an Iroquois?
MailTo:wacormack@…

----- Original Message -----
From: sailorvela
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 04/02/2007 9:27 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Looing for Freedom 40 Cat ketch


Great infoThanks again!I guess it’s a matter of selling the Iroquois to pursue a Freedom. Allways hard to sell a boat you kept for a while.Cheers,Alex— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley” <lance_ryley@…> wrote:>> Hi Alex,> I’ll second all the other opinions already offered about the Freedom > 40 CK. The ease of handling is well documented, and for an 80s boat, > there is quite a bit of interior volume. It’s not a 40’ catalina or > hunter of today’s standards, but then, I’m not sure how comfortable > one of those would be out of sight of land and away from 50 amp > shorepower.> > Bright Star was remarkably well behaved in the two ‘open ocean’ > passages I’ve made in her. One was across the gulf of maine with a > full crew. The other was when I bought her down in Md and took her > from Cape May to Montauk. In the latter case, the weather was foul, > but the boat handled incredibly well. I wouldn’t hesitate to use her > for long passage making.> > As far as things you should look for, these boats were built with > polyester resin and, depending on the environment and the use, may > have blisters on the bottom. In my experience, the repair is pretty > straightforward and not the nightmares that some people experience > with poorly constructed boats, and shouldn’t be a deterrent as you’re > looking. please feel free to contact me if you’d like to talk more > about the pluses and minuses.> > Lance Ryley> Bright Star> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “sailorvela” > <sailorvela@> wrote:> >> > Hi Guys!> > > > I just found this site. My wife and I are looking to move up from > our > > Iroquois 30’ catamaran to a Freedom 40 (cat ketch 78-84 vintage). > > Please let me know if you know of any boats available in the East > > coast. I already know about the ones in yacthworld and “Bright > Star”, I > > just want to get a complete picture.> > > > Any special details with these boats? Things to look for or check?> > > > Thanks.> > > > Alex> >>

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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Iroquois: A 30 MacAlpine-Downie catamaran.“William A. Cormack” <wacormack@…> wrote: What’s an Iroquois? MailTo:wacormack@WhelanAssociates.com ----- Original Message ----- From: sailorvela To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: 04/02/2007 9:27 PM Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Looing for Freedom 40 Cat ketch Great infoThanks again!I guess it’s a matter of selling the Iroquois to pursue a Freedom. Allways hard to sell a boat you kept for a while.Cheers,Alex— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley” <lance_ryley@…> wrote:>> Hi Alex,> I’ll second all the other opinions already offered about the Freedom > 40 CK. The ease of handling
is well documented, and for an 80s boat, > there is quite a bit of interior volume. It’s not a 40’ catalina or > hunter of today’s standards, but then, I’m not sure how comfortable > one of those would be out of sight of land and away from 50 amp > shorepower.> > Bright Star was remarkably well behaved in the two ‘open ocean’ > passages I’ve made in her. One was across the gulf of maine with a > full crew. The other was when I bought her down in Md and took her > from Cape May to Montauk. In the latter case, the weather was foul, > but the boat handled incredibly well. I wouldn’t hesitate to use her > for long passage making.> > As far as things you should look for, these boats were built with > polyester resin and, depending on the environment and the use, may > have blisters on the bottom. In my experience, the repair is pretty >
straightforward and not the nightmares that some people experience > with poorly constructed boats, and shouldn’t be a deterrent as you’re > looking. please feel free to contact me if you’d like to talk more > about the pluses and minuses.> > Lance Ryley> Bright Star> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “sailorvela” > <sailorvela@> wrote:> >> > Hi Guys!> > > > I just found this site. My wife and I are looking to move up from > our > > Iroquois 30’ catamaran to a Freedom 40 (cat ketch 78-84 vintage). > > Please let me know if you know of any boats available in the East > > coast. I already know about the ones in yacthworld and “Bright > Star”, I > > just want to get a complete picture.> > > > Any
special details with these boats? Things to look for or check?> > > > Thanks.> > > > Alex> >>
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Posted by William Nordquist (wdndmd@…>)
I have a Freedom 40 cat ketch that is not on the market, however, I would consider selling for the right price. I am from San Diego. Bill Nordquist"William A. Cormack" <wacormack@…> wrote: What’s an Iroquois? MailTo:wacormack@WhelanAssociates.com ----- Original Message ----- From: sailorvela To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: 04/02/2007 9:27 PM Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Looing for Freedom 40 Cat ketch Great infoThanks again!I guess it’s a matter of selling the Iroquois to pursue a Freedom. Allways hard to sell a boat you kept for a while.Cheers,Alex— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley” <lance_ryley@…>
wrote:>> Hi Alex,> I’ll second all the other opinions already offered about the Freedom > 40 CK. The ease of handling is well documented, and for an 80s boat, > there is quite a bit of interior volume. It’s not a 40’ catalina or > hunter of today’s standards, but then, I’m not sure how comfortable > one of those would be out of sight of land and away from 50 amp > shorepower.> > Bright Star was remarkably well behaved in the two ‘open ocean’ > passages I’ve made in her. One was across the gulf of maine with a > full crew. The other was when I bought her down in Md and took her > from Cape May to Montauk. In the latter case, the weather was foul, > but the boat handled incredibly well. I wouldn’t hesitate to use her > for long passage making.> > As far as things you should look for, these boats were built with > polyester
resin and, depending on the environment and the use, may > have blisters on the bottom. In my experience, the repair is pretty > straightforward and not the nightmares that some people experience > with poorly constructed boats, and shouldn’t be a deterrent as you’re > looking. please feel free to contact me if you’d like to talk more > about the pluses and minuses.> > Lance Ryley> Bright Star> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “sailorvela” > <sailorvela@> wrote:> >> > Hi Guys!> > > > I just found this site. My wife and I are looking to move up from > our > > Iroquois 30’ catamaran to a Freedom 40 (cat ketch 78-84 vintage). > > Please let me know if you know of any boats available in the East > > coast. I already
know about the ones in yacthworld and “Bright > Star”, I > > just want to get a complete picture.> > > > Any special details with these boats? Things to look for or check?> > > > Thanks.> > > > Alex> >>

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Posted by sailorvela (sailorvela@…>)

Thanks for the information William,

I am located in Georgia so I will most likely be limited to the East
coast to keep transpotation costs reasonable.

Cheers,

Alex
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, William Nordquist
<wdndmd@…> wrote:

I have a Freedom 40 cat ketch that is not on the market, however, I
would consider selling for the right price. I am from San Diego.
Bill Nordquist

“William A. Cormack” <wacormack@…> wrote:
What’s an Iroquois?

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Posted by sailorvela (sailorvela@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “William A. Cormack”
<wacormack@…> wrote:

What’s an Iroquois?

MailTo:wacormack@…


As mentioned before, the Iroquois is a McAlpine Dowie Catamaran.
Lovely boat and a sweet sailor, but we need something a little bigger.
Here is a link with some photos:
https://strictlysailing.com/classifieds/70316a.html

Cheers,

Alex

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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Bill,

Did you prescribe Entropy some Viagra? She was 39 last time I checked.
Actually with the anchor platform she’s closer to 41.
I think this guy is looking for the older style 40.

For anyone wondering we used to own Bill’s boat. It’s a very special 39
that was completed by the gentleman I bought the boat from. Probably
the best 39 ever built from a structural standpoint. Also a very sweet
ride in snotty conditions. Boat just felt like it was on rails.


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, William Nordquist
<wdndmd@…> wrote:

I have a Freedom 40 cat ketch that is not on the market, however, I
would consider selling for the right price. I am from San Diego.
Bill Nordquist

“William A. Cormack” <wacormack@…> wrote:
What’s an Iroquois?

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Posted by William Nordquist (wdndmd@…>)
Dave, When talking to friends I most often refer to it as a Freedom 40, instead of 39, 39 seems like such an strange number to me. I like even numbers. Sorry. I´m answering this e-mailat a computer store in Cabo. The number and keys are all difference. I¨m here along writing professional papers and enjoying the area, as well. I really don´t have the boat on the market, however, if the right price came up, I would sell it. I´ve been so busy professionally traveling around the world lecturing that I really have not had time to sail Thanks for your support. Bill NordquistDave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: Bill,Did you prescribe Entropy some Viagra? She was 39 last time I checked. Actually with the anchor platform she’s closer to 41. I think this guy is looking for the older style 40. For anyone wondering we used to own Bill’s boat. It’s a very special 39 that was completed by the gentleman I bought the boat from. Probably the best 39 ever built from a structural standpoint. Also a very sweet ride in snotty conditions. Boat just felt like it was on rails. — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, William Nordquist <wdndmd@…> wrote:>> I have a Freedom 40 cat ketch that is not on the
market, however, I would consider selling for the right price. I am from San Diego.> Bill Nordquist> > “William A. Cormack” <wacormack@…> wrote:> What’s an Iroquois?>

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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Bill,
Maybe we should run Entropy down to Cabo so you’ll have a nice boat
to enjoy while you’re there. Entropy knows the way to Cabo. She’s
been there before.

If you’re talking to someone familiar with Freedom they will think
you own the old Hoyt/Herreshoff hull when you say 40.

I think the boat is actually 41.5 but that might have been with a
Sailomat hanging off the back.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, William Nordquist
<wdndmd@…> wrote:

Dave,
When talking to friends I most often refer to it as a Freedom 40,
instead of 39, 39 seems like such an strange number to me. I like
even numbers. Sorry.

I´m answering this e-mailat a computer store in Cabo. The number
and keys are all difference. I¨m here along writing professional
papers and enjoying the area, as well. I really don´t have the boat
on the market, however, if the right price came up, I would sell it.
I´ve been so busy professionally traveling around the world lecturing
that I really have not had time to sail

Thanks for your support.

Bill Nordquist

Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:
Bill,

Did you prescribe Entropy some Viagra? She was 39 last time I
checked.
Actually with the anchor platform she’s closer to 41.
I think this guy is looking for the older style 40.

For anyone wondering we used to own Bill’s boat. It’s a very
special 39
that was completed by the gentleman I bought the boat from.
Probably
the best 39 ever built from a structural standpoint. Also a very
sweet
ride in snotty conditions. Boat just felt like it was on rails.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, William Nordquist
<wdndmd@> wrote:

I have a Freedom 40 cat ketch that is not on the market, however,
I
would consider selling for the right price. I am from San Diego.
Bill Nordquist

“William A. Cormack” <wacormack@> wrote:
What’s an Iroquois?