Looking for feedback on portable DC Generator

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Posted by vtaiariol (borelmfg@…>)

Hi Group,
First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom
owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC
generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need and
options customers would like to see. The current model will gas
powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for charging
lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It will
look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.
With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping batteries
charged is a real challenge. We envision this new product will be
used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when away
from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for larger
boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge even
batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional
alternators may not do. The unit will have overload protection, amp
meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about 62dBs
or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock compared
to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.
What does the group think of the product? Are there any options that
the group would like to see?

Regards,
Van Taiariol
Borel Mfg.

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Posted by Randy (crawfordceramics@…>)
Hi Van, I have a Freedom 25 with and out board motor and am considering an onboard generator, space onder the seats in the main cabin is where I would want to store it.What are the dimensions of the generator? vtaiariol <borelmfg@…> wrote: Hi Group,First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need and options customers would like to see. The current model will gas
powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for charging lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It will look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping batteries charged is a real challenge. We envision this new product will be used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when away from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for larger boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge even batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional alternators may not do. The unit will have overload protection, amp meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about 62dBs or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock compared to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.What does the group think of the product? Are there any options that the group
would like to see?Regards,Van TaiariolBorel Mfg.

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Posted by Borelmfg (borelmfg@…>)

about 16"x10"x12" high. Note: the generator should not be run in side the boat, only outdoors if fresh air.

Regards,

van

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From: Randy
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:51 PM
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Hi Van, I have a Freedom 25 with and out board motor and am considering an onboard generator, space onder the seats in the main cabin is where I would want to store it.What are the dimensions of the generator?
vtaiariol <borelmfg@earthlink.net> wrote:


Hi Group,First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need and options customers would like to see. The current model will gas powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for charging lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It will look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping batteries charged is a real challenge. We envision this new product will be used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when away from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for larger boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge even batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional alternators may not do. The unit will have overload protection, amp meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about 62dBs or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock compared to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.What does the group think of the product? Are there any options that the group would like to see?Regards,Van TaiariolBorel Mfg.

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Posted by Randy (crawfordceramics@…>)
That should fit, thanks VanBorelmfg <borelmfg@…> wrote: about 16"x10"x12" high. Note: the generator should not be run in side the boat, only outdoors if fresh air. Regards, van Hi Van, I have a Freedom 25 with and out board motor
and am considering an onboard generator, space onder the seats in the main cabin is where I would want to store it.What are the dimensions of the generator? vtaiariol <borelmfg@earthlink.net> wrote: Hi Group,First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need and options customers would like to see. The current model will gas powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for charging lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It will look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping batteries charged is a real challenge. We envision
this new product will be used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when away from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for larger boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge even batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional alternators may not do. The unit will have overload protection, amp meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about 62dBs or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock compared to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.What does the group think of the product? Are there any options that the group would like to see?Regards,Van TaiariolBorel Mfg.

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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


I think one of the selling points other
then the Honda name is the sound level which I believe is around 56dBs. Very
quiet! But the price is a little steep. Coleman also make one in the same
size/capability range but more in your anticipated price range ~$500. Since I
am considering a mooring due to cost I have been saving my boat bucks to
eventually get a Honda….but if something comes along with the same
capability, reliability, and cost I am there.

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Borelmfg
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008
9:57 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
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about 16"x10"x12" high. Note: the generator
should not be run in side the boat, only outdoors if fresh air.

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Regards,

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van



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From: Randy



To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com



Sent: Tuesday, January
08, 2008 6:51 PM


Subject: Re:
[FreedomOwnersGroup] Looking for feedback on portable DC Generator

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Hi Van, I have a Freedom 25 with and out board motor and am considering
an onboard generator, space onder the seats in the main cabin is where I would
want to store it.What are the dimensions of the generator?



vtaiariol <borelmfg@earthlink.net>
wrote:




Hi Group,
First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom
owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC
generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need and
options customers would like to see. The current model will gas
powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for charging
lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It will
look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.
With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping batteries
charged is a real challenge. We envision this new product will be
used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when away
from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for larger
boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge even
batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional
alternators may not do. The unit will have overload protection, amp
meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about 62dBs
or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock compared
to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.
What does the group think of the product? Are there any options that
the group would like to see?

Regards,
Van Taiariol
Borel Mfg.


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Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)
Most of us have diesel engines and do not want to carry quantities of explosive gasoline. Also, gas generators can be a serious hazard with carbon monoxide poisoning if a great deal of care is not employed. However, diesel generators (built-in) are very expensive and I know many sailors use these portable gas generators. It is my preference not to.
On Jan 8, 2008 7:17 PM, Bob Weeks <rweeks6508@…> wrote:






I think one of the selling points other
then the Honda name is the sound level which I believe is around 56dBs. Very
quiet! But the price is a little steep. Coleman also make one in the same
size/capability range but more in your anticipated price range ~$500. Since I
am considering a mooring due to cost I have been saving my boat bucks to
eventually get a Honda….but if something comes along with the same
capability, reliability, and cost I am there.

Bob





From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Borelmfg

Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008
9:57 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Looking for feedback on portable DC Generator





about 16"x10"x12" high. Note: the generator
should not be run in side the boat, only outdoors if fresh air.

\



Regards,

\



van



----- Original Message -----



From: Randy



To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com



Sent: Tuesday, January
08, 2008 6:51 PM


Subject: Re:
[FreedomOwnersGroup] Looking for feedback on portable DC Generator

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Hi Van, I have a Freedom 25 with and out board motor and am considering
an onboard generator, space onder the seats in the main cabin is where I would
want to store it.What are the dimensions of the generator?



vtaiariol <borelmfg@…>
wrote:




Hi Group,
First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom
owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC
generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need and
options customers would like to see. The current model will gas
powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for charging
lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It will
look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.
With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping batteries
charged is a real challenge. We envision this new product will be
used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when away
from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for larger
boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge even
batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional
alternators may not do. The unit will have overload protection, amp
meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about 62dBs
or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock compared
to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.
What does the group think of the product? Are there any options that
the group would like to see?

Regards,
Van Taiariol
Borel Mfg.


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– Jay Glen ki6jtks/v FantasyFreedom 40 Cat-KetchSan Francisco Bay Area

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

I see lots of purposes on land esp. in 3rd world countries, but not
so much on a boat if you cannot use it in a confined space.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Borelmfg” <borelmfg@…>
wrote:

about 16"x10"x12" high. Note: the generator should not be run in
side the boat, only outdoors if fresh air.

Regards,

van
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Looking for feedback on
portable DC Generator

Hi Van, I have a Freedom 25 with and out board motor and am
considering an onboard generator, space onder the seats in the main
cabin is where I would want to store it.What are the dimensions of
the generator?

vtaiariol <borelmfg@…> wrote:
Hi Group,
First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom
owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC
generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need
and
options customers would like to see. The current model will
gas
powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for
charging
lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It
will
look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.
With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping
batteries
charged is a real challenge. We envision this new product will
be
used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when
away
from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for
larger
boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge
even
batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional
alternators may not do. The unit will have overload
protection, amp
meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about
62dBs
or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock
compared
to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.
What does the group think of the product? Are there any
options that
the group would like to see?

Regards,
Van Taiariol
Borel Mfg.
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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


The Honda’s unit is designed for the
boaters, RV’ers and campers in mind. You can put it on the foredeck or
the sugarscoop and not even hear the darn thing run. It’s no different
then your outboard motor for your dingy unless you don’t have one of them
either. Both run on gasoline and with proper usage and care its no more dangerous
then the propane tanks if you are not careful with that. I carry a small two
gal gas can and I have been very careful as to storage, etc.

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capel
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008
6:31 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re:
Looking for feedback on portable DC Generator




I see lots of purposes on land esp. in 3rd world
countries, but not
so much on a boat if you cannot use it in a confined space.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Borelmfg” <borelmfg@…>
wrote:

about 16"x10"x12" high. Note: the generator should not be
run in
side the boat, only outdoors if fresh air.

Regards,

van
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Looking for feedback on
portable DC Generator

Hi Van, I have a Freedom 25 with and out board motor and am
considering an onboard generator, space onder the seats in the main
cabin is where I would want to store it.What are the dimensions of
the generator?

vtaiariol <borelmfg@…> wrote:
Hi Group,
First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom
owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC
generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need
and
options customers would like to see. The current model will
gas
powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for
charging
lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It
will
look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.
With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping
batteries
charged is a real challenge. We envision this new product will
be
used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when
away
from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for
larger
boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge
even
batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional
alternators may not do. The unit will have overload
protection, amp
meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about
62dBs
or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock
compared
to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.
What does the group think of the product? Are there any
options that
the group would like to see?

Regards,
Van Taiariol
Borel Mfg.


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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Hi Van,

The problem I see is that most boats in the range you’re talking
already have an AC battery charger mounted. It’s easier (if less
efficient) for someone to plug a shore power cable into one of the AC
Hondas and use their onboard charger. Your system would require more
wiring to be added, or jumpers directly to the batteries, wouldn’t it?

Also, with the advent of so many 4 stroke outboards, it’d be nice if
the generator could use the dinghy outboard’s external tank, rather
than relying on an internal fill. If I have to carry diesel and gas,
I’d rather only carry one container of gas and not have to pour it
into anything on deck.

2cts.

Lance

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “vtaiariol” <borelmfg@…>
wrote:

Hi Group,
First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom
owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC
generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need and
options customers would like to see. The current model will gas
powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for
charging
lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It will
look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.
With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping batteries
charged is a real challenge. We envision this new product will be
used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when away
from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for
larger
boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge
even
batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional
alternators may not do. The unit will have overload protection,
amp
meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about 62dBs
or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock
compared
to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.
What does the group think of the product? Are there any options
that
the group would like to see?

Regards,
Van Taiariol
Borel Mfg.

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Posted by George Huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)

Hard to beat the price, sound level, and incredible reliablility of
the Honda 1000 for a small boat. They can even power a 5k btu marine
a/c unit! At full load they are putting out more power than your
proposed unit with less noise.

As for us we have a Honda 2000 as a backup power source as well as a
second inboard 7hp diesel unit that will produce 100 amps DC, 40 GPH
of fresh water and pull down the cold plates in our freezer and
refrigerator (possibly not all at once). I’ve also got a 7.5 KW
generator I might slave off of the main engine. Granted we are a 40
foot boat so not in your target but I’ll stand by what I said about
the Honda 1000. The Honda is also very affordable so you are going to
have to beat it by more than just price.


BTW what Freedom do you own yourself?

George

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@…> wrote:

Hi Van,

The problem I see is that most boats in the range you’re talking
already have an AC battery charger mounted. It’s easier (if less
efficient) for someone to plug a shore power cable into one of the AC
Hondas and use their onboard charger. Your system would require more
wiring to be added, or jumpers directly to the batteries, wouldn’t it?

Also, with the advent of so many 4 stroke outboards, it’d be nice if
the generator could use the dinghy outboard’s external tank, rather
than relying on an internal fill. If I have to carry diesel and gas,
I’d rather only carry one container of gas and not have to pour it
into anything on deck.

2cts.

Lance

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “vtaiariol” <borelmfg@>
wrote:

Hi Group,
First, I am a member of this group for a long time and freedom
owner. Our company is developing a portable gas powered DC
generator/battery charger. We are looking for feedback on need and
options customers would like to see. The current model will gas
powered, weight 30 lbs and output 50amps of 12VDC power for
charging
lead acid, AGM or Gels. Costing will be less than $500.00 It will
look much like a Honda portable 1000 watt inverter generator.
With all the electrical demands on modern boats, keeping batteries
charged is a real challenge. We envision this new product will be
used by smaller boat (>35ft) as primary charging system when away
from the dock. We also see this product as back up system for
larger
boats with in-board gensets. Our unit be hand start and charge
even
batteries that are completely dead. Something conventional
alternators may not do. The unit will have overload protection,
amp
meter, and voltage limit of 16VDC. Sound level will be about 62dBs
or less. It will also reduce the chance of eletrical shock
compared
to using conventional 120VAC portable generators.
What does the group think of the product? Are there any options
that
the group would like to see?

Regards,
Van Taiariol
Borel Mfg.