Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)
I received my Garhauer rigid boom vang and custom mast collar today;
they are even better made and more beautiful than I had imagined
them to be. But a question has occured to me about attaching the
mast collar. I know you’re not supposed to drill holes in a carbon
fiber mast, which is why I ordered the collar. But the Freedom
owner’s manual warns that the greatest strength of carbon fiber is
longitudinal and that masts removed from boats should be protected
from crushing. So how do I know when I’ve tightened the collar
enough the keep the vang in place but not tight enough to damage the
mast? Has anyone who has installed one of these used rubber padding
between the mast and collar, or perhaps 5200 to assure a permanent
seal without overtightening?
On another note, yesterday was my first sail on my newly acquired
F30 and I am in love. The winds on the Chesapeake ranged from 6 to
13 knots, and she behaved beautifully. I had been warned that she
was not a light air boat, but I have to say that she did better than
my Sabre 32 with its 135 genoa at the lower end of the wind scale.
Even sailing relatively close-winded headed back to my slip, I
consistently outpaced a bigger boat flying a big genny. All in all,
she was an absolute delight to sail, and she far exceeded my
expectations. She was also so easy to sail (I know, I have a lot to
learn about sail trim) that I wondered why anyone would want to sail
any other kind of rig. I actually began to wonder why I should
bother installing a wheel pilot; I’d be superfluous if I did.
Finally, has anyone actually followed the suggestion in the Freedom
owner’s manual to use Armor-All to maintain the non-skid? It
certainly seems counterintuitive.
Cheers,
Al Lorman
Ab Initio
Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)
As the compression is pretty much eqal on all sides,it will not stress the
mast unduly. I have had my 2 Garhauer vangs for 3 years,and am very pleased.
I did put vinyl tape(wide electrical tape) on the inside of the vang so as
not to scratch the mast. Do not use 5200,or you’ll never be able to move or
remove it.
----- Original Message -----
From: “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:28 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Mast collar for rigid vang
\
I received my Garhauer rigid boom vang and custom mast collar today;
they are even better made and more beautiful than I had imagined
them to be. But a question has occured to me about attaching the
mast collar. I know you’re not supposed to drill holes in a carbon
fiber mast, which is why I ordered the collar. But the Freedom
owner’s manual warns that the greatest strength of carbon fiber is
longitudinal and that masts removed from boats should be protected
from crushing. So how do I know when I’ve tightened the collar
enough the keep the vang in place but not tight enough to damage the
mast? Has anyone who has installed one of these used rubber padding
between the mast and collar, or perhaps 5200 to assure a permanent
seal without overtightening?
On another note, yesterday was my first sail on my newly acquired
F30 and I am in love. The winds on the Chesapeake ranged from 6 to
13 knots, and she behaved beautifully. I had been warned that she
was not a light air boat, but I have to say that she did better than
my Sabre 32 with its 135 genoa at the lower end of the wind scale.
Even sailing relatively close-winded headed back to my slip, I
consistently outpaced a bigger boat flying a big genny. All in all,
she was an absolute delight to sail, and she far exceeded my
expectations. She was also so easy to sail (I know, I have a lot to
learn about sail trim) that I wondered why anyone would want to sail
any other kind of rig. I actually began to wonder why I should
bother installing a wheel pilot; I’d be superfluous if I did.
Finally, has anyone actually followed the suggestion in the Freedom
owner’s manual to use Armor-All to maintain the non-skid? It
certainly seems counterintuitive.
Cheers,
Al Lorman
Ab Initio
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Posted by pwkvmcf (pwmcf@…>)
I recently installed a Garhauer rigid vang on my Hoyt-32. Inasmuch
as my boat was already equipped with a vang collar (Boom Kicker, but
that’s another story), it was a simple task to retro-fit the
garhauer mounting. My collar is fabricated from 1/4" stainless in
two halves that bolt on either side, which I imagine is fairly
typical. The collar is lined with white neoprene about 1/8" thick.
This accomplishes two functions, first limits any sliding of the
collar, and compensates for any minute irregularities on the inside
of the collar. I have monitored my collar closely and have been
unable to detect any movement, or damage (cracks) to the mast. It
appears that it is working as intended. One suggestion tho, I would
recommend that your vang collar is installed right down snug on top
of the mast collar. I feel that this eliminates even further the
tendancy of the vang collar to try to “tip” under extreme load.
Good luck
Paul M.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@y…>
wrote:
I received my Garhauer rigid boom vang and custom mast collar
today;
they are even better made and more beautiful than I had imagined
them to be. But a question has occured to me about attaching the
mast collar. I know you’re not supposed to drill holes in a
carbon
fiber mast, which is why I ordered the collar. But the Freedom
owner’s manual warns that the greatest strength of carbon fiber is
longitudinal and that masts removed from boats should be protected
from crushing. So how do I know when I’ve tightened the collar
enough the keep the vang in place but not tight enough to damage
the
mast? Has anyone who has installed one of these used rubber
padding
between the mast and collar, or perhaps 5200 to assure a permanent
seal without overtightening?
On another note, yesterday was my first sail on my newly acquired
F30 and I am in love. The winds on the Chesapeake ranged from 6 to
13 knots, and she behaved beautifully. I had been warned that she
was not a light air boat, but I have to say that she did better
than
my Sabre 32 with its 135 genoa at the lower end of the wind
scale.
Even sailing relatively close-winded headed back to my slip, I
consistently outpaced a bigger boat flying a big genny. All in
all,
she was an absolute delight to sail, and she far exceeded my
expectations. She was also so easy to sail (I know, I have a lot
to
learn about sail trim) that I wondered why anyone would want to
sail
any other kind of rig. I actually began to wonder why I should
bother installing a wheel pilot; I’d be superfluous if I did.
Finally, has anyone actually followed the suggestion in the
Freedom
owner’s manual to use Armor-All to maintain the non-skid? It
certainly seems counterintuitive.
Cheers,
Al Lorman
Ab Initio
Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)
Thanks for the advice, Paul and Jerome. Paul, did your collar, which
does sound just like mine, come from Garhauer with the neoprene
lining? Mine had no lining. What did you mean by the vang trying
to “tip” under load? When I did the measuring for my collar, I
planned to mount it about 4" above the existing collar to avoid
interfering with the blocks attached to the collar.
Al
\
I recently installed a Garhauer rigid vang on my Hoyt-32. Inasmuch
as my boat was already equipped with a vang collar (Boom Kicker,
but
that’s another story), it was a simple task to retro-fit the
garhauer mounting. My collar is fabricated from 1/4" stainless in
two halves that bolt on either side, which I imagine is fairly
typical. The collar is lined with white neoprene about 1/8" thick.
This accomplishes two functions, first limits any sliding of the
collar, and compensates for any minute irregularities on the inside
of the collar. I have monitored my collar closely and have been
unable to detect any movement, or damage (cracks) to the mast. It
appears that it is working as intended. One suggestion tho, I would
recommend that your vang collar is installed right down snug on top
of the mast collar. I feel that this eliminates even further the
tendancy of the vang collar to try to “tip” under extreme load.
Good luck
Paul M.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@y…>
wrote:
I received my Garhauer rigid boom vang and custom mast collar
today;
they are even better made and more beautiful than I had imagined
them to be. But a question has occured to me about attaching the
mast collar. I know you’re not supposed to drill holes in a
carbon
fiber mast, which is why I ordered the collar. But the Freedom
owner’s manual warns that the greatest strength of carbon fiber
is
longitudinal and that masts removed from boats should be
protected
from crushing. So how do I know when I’ve tightened the collar
enough the keep the vang in place but not tight enough to damage
the
mast? Has anyone who has installed one of these used rubber
padding
between the mast and collar, or perhaps 5200 to assure a
permanent
seal without overtightening?
On another note, yesterday was my first sail on my newly acquired
F30 and I am in love. The winds on the Chesapeake ranged from 6
to
13 knots, and she behaved beautifully. I had been warned that
she
was not a light air boat, but I have to say that she did better
than
my Sabre 32 with its 135 genoa at the lower end of the wind
scale.
Even sailing relatively close-winded headed back to my slip, I
consistently outpaced a bigger boat flying a big genny. All in
all,
she was an absolute delight to sail, and she far exceeded my
expectations. She was also so easy to sail (I know, I have a lot
to
learn about sail trim) that I wondered why anyone would want to
sail
any other kind of rig. I actually began to wonder why I should
bother installing a wheel pilot; I’d be superfluous if I did.
Finally, has anyone actually followed the suggestion in the
Freedom
owner’s manual to use Armor-All to maintain the non-skid? It
certainly seems counterintuitive.
Cheers,
Al Lorman
Ab Initio
Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)
An interesting and timely topic for me; I just installed a Garhauer
rigid vang last Saturday on my Hoyt 32.
I installed mine directly over the mast, no lining. No sort of liner
came with mine, just the (stunningly beautiful) stainless collar
itself. I didn’t think installing a neoprene liner (or some other
sort of material) was a bad idea, at the time I just decided it
wasn’t necessary. The collar is so wide and smooth I didn’t see how
it could damage anything directly on the mast. Now that I sit here
and read the other posts and think about it, though, I may change it.
A lining may very well provide more grip and offer some protection if
it ever does slip. I’d use a cut-off rubber strip from an inner tube.
Definitely, don’t even THINK about using 5200, you’ll never get it
off.
For height, I second the idea to mount the mast end as low as you
possibly can, the collar touching the existing deck ring if possible.
On mine I even turned the mast end swivel fitting upside down from
how Garhauer sent it in order to get the vang at as steep an angle as
possible. Turning that piece upside down made the mast end of the
vang 2" lower than it would have otherwise been. For me, that mostly
was for better clearance over an opening hatch that is right behind
the mast, that may not be an issue on yours. The vang will
unquestionably have more power at a steeper angle, though. The trig
on mine said that just that extra 2" worked out to about 8% more
downward force on the boom for any given tension in the vang or,
looking from the other way, about a 5% reduction in vang tension for
a given boom position. If you have a choice, mount the mast end low.
Vang tensions go up quickly as you move it farther up.
How tight to put the collar on? That was a big question for me, too.
It ended up as a “mechanic’s feel” thing, I suppose, but I put mine
on “very snug but not screaming tight.” This is, I tightened the nuts
to contact, then ended up turning them about a third to a half a turn
farther. I also did my best to go a bit at a time and jump between
the bolts to get all of them tightened as evenly as possible. I only
have 2 days of use in a maximum of around 15 knots of wind but I
don’t see the slightest movement and I was checking it constantly. It
seems about right. I had the boom out to nearly 90 degrees with the
vang pulled down to the maximum and if it didn’t move then, I doubt
it will. I will be watching this closely for the next few months.
So far, this is an absolutely great piece of equipment
Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)
Very useful insights, Rick. I had planned to mount my collar a few
inches above the existing collar in order to provide clearance for
the various blocks attached to the deck collar. Now I’ll have to
see if I can mount it lower by rearranging the blocks.
Did your vang come with any instructions whatsoever? Mine didn’t.
Did you drill and tap to attach the top end of the vang to your
boom? Did you use Locktite? How long were the screws/bolts?
My question abour 5200 was based on my concern about overtightening
the collar bolts. With 5200, I knew that wouldn’t be an issue. But
if it works without 5200, I’d certainly just as soon not use it.
Al Lorman
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “rick_simonds”
<rick_simonds@y…> wrote:
An interesting and timely topic for me; I just installed a
Garhauer
rigid vang last Saturday on my Hoyt 32.
I installed mine directly over the mast, no lining. No sort of
liner
came with mine, just the (stunningly beautiful) stainless collar
itself. I didn’t think installing a neoprene liner (or some other
sort of material) was a bad idea, at the time I just decided it
wasn’t necessary. The collar is so wide and smooth I didn’t see
how
it could damage anything directly on the mast. Now that I sit here
and read the other posts and think about it, though, I may change
it.
A lining may very well provide more grip and offer some protection
if
it ever does slip. I’d use a cut-off rubber strip from an inner
tube.
Definitely, don’t even THINK about using 5200, you’ll never get it
off.
For height, I second the idea to mount the mast end as low as you
possibly can, the collar touching the existing deck ring if
possible.
On mine I even turned the mast end swivel fitting upside down from
how Garhauer sent it in order to get the vang at as steep an angle
as
possible. Turning that piece upside down made the mast end of the
vang 2" lower than it would have otherwise been. For me, that
mostly
was for better clearance over an opening hatch that is right
behind
the mast, that may not be an issue on yours. The vang will
unquestionably have more power at a steeper angle, though. The
trig
on mine said that just that extra 2" worked out to about 8% more
downward force on the boom for any given tension in the vang or,
looking from the other way, about a 5% reduction in vang tension
for
a given boom position. If you have a choice, mount the mast end
low.
Vang tensions go up quickly as you move it farther up.
How tight to put the collar on? That was a big question for me,
too.
It ended up as a “mechanic’s feel” thing, I suppose, but I put
mine
on “very snug but not screaming tight.” This is, I tightened the
nuts
to contact, then ended up turning them about a third to a half a
turn
farther. I also did my best to go a bit at a time and jump between
the bolts to get all of them tightened as evenly as possible. I
only
have 2 days of use in a maximum of around 15 knots of wind but I
don’t see the slightest movement and I was checking it constantly.
It
seems about right. I had the boom out to nearly 90 degrees with
the
vang pulled down to the maximum and if it didn’t move then, I
doubt
it will. I will be watching this closely for the next few months.
So far, this is an absolutely great piece of equipment
Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)
I drilled and tapped the boom for 1/4 28 pan head machine screws,1/2 long
and did use removable loctite. I also placed a piece of mylar between boom
and vang fitting,as a galvanic insulator. I used 28 thread fittings to get
more purchase in the thin aluminum of tha boom. Works well.
----- Original Message -----
From: “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:30 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Mast collar for rigid vang
\
Very useful insights, Rick. I had planned to mount my collar a few
inches above the existing collar in order to provide clearance for
the various blocks attached to the deck collar. Now I’ll have to
see if I can mount it lower by rearranging the blocks.
Did your vang come with any instructions whatsoever? Mine didn’t.
Did you drill and tap to attach the top end of the vang to your
boom? Did you use Locktite? How long were the screws/bolts?
My question abour 5200 was based on my concern about overtightening
the collar bolts. With 5200, I knew that wouldn’t be an issue. But
if it works without 5200, I’d certainly just as soon not use it.
Al Lorman
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “rick_simonds”
<rick_simonds@y…> wrote:
An interesting and timely topic for me; I just installed a
Garhauer
rigid vang last Saturday on my Hoyt 32.
I installed mine directly over the mast, no lining. No sort of
liner
came with mine, just the (stunningly beautiful) stainless collar
itself. I didn’t think installing a neoprene liner (or some other
sort of material) was a bad idea, at the time I just decided it
wasn’t necessary. The collar is so wide and smooth I didn’t see
how
it could damage anything directly on the mast. Now that I sit here
and read the other posts and think about it, though, I may change
it.
A lining may very well provide more grip and offer some protection
if
it ever does slip. I’d use a cut-off rubber strip from an inner
tube.
Definitely, don’t even THINK about using 5200, you’ll never get it
off.
For height, I second the idea to mount the mast end as low as you
possibly can, the collar touching the existing deck ring if
possible.
On mine I even turned the mast end swivel fitting upside down from
how Garhauer sent it in order to get the vang at as steep an angle
as
possible. Turning that piece upside down made the mast end of the
vang 2" lower than it would have otherwise been. For me, that
mostly
was for better clearance over an opening hatch that is right
behind
the mast, that may not be an issue on yours. The vang will
unquestionably have more power at a steeper angle, though. The
trig
on mine said that just that extra 2" worked out to about 8% more
downward force on the boom for any given tension in the vang or,
looking from the other way, about a 5% reduction in vang tension
for
a given boom position. If you have a choice, mount the mast end
low.
Vang tensions go up quickly as you move it farther up.
How tight to put the collar on? That was a big question for me,
too.
It ended up as a “mechanic’s feel” thing, I suppose, but I put
mine
on “very snug but not screaming tight.” This is, I tightened the
nuts
to contact, then ended up turning them about a third to a half a
turn
farther. I also did my best to go a bit at a time and jump between
the bolts to get all of them tightened as evenly as possible. I
only
have 2 days of use in a maximum of around 15 knots of wind but I
don’t see the slightest movement and I was checking it constantly.
It
seems about right. I had the boom out to nearly 90 degrees with
the
vang pulled down to the maximum and if it didn’t move then, I
doubt
it will. I will be watching this closely for the next few months.
So far, this is an absolutely great piece of equipment
Yahoo! Groups Links
Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)
Excellent advice. Many thanks.
Al
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:
I drilled and tapped the boom for 1/4 28 pan head machine
screws,1/2 long
and did use removable loctite. I also placed a piece of mylar
between boom
and vang fitting,as a galvanic insulator. I used 28 thread fittings
to get
more purchase in the thin aluminum of tha boom. Works well.
----- Original Message -----
From: “ajlorman” <ajlorman@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:30 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Mast collar for rigid vang
Very useful insights, Rick. I had planned to mount my collar a
few
inches above the existing collar in order to provide clearance for
the various blocks attached to the deck collar. Now I’ll have to
see if I can mount it lower by rearranging the blocks.
Did your vang come with any instructions whatsoever? Mine didn’t.
Did you drill and tap to attach the top end of the vang to your
boom? Did you use Locktite? How long were the screws/bolts?
My question abour 5200 was based on my concern about
overtightening
the collar bolts. With 5200, I knew that wouldn’t be an issue.
But
if it works without 5200, I’d certainly just as soon not use it.
Al Lorman
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “rick_simonds”
<rick_simonds@y…> wrote:
An interesting and timely topic for me; I just installed a
Garhauer
rigid vang last Saturday on my Hoyt 32.
I installed mine directly over the mast, no lining. No sort of
liner
came with mine, just the (stunningly beautiful) stainless collar
itself. I didn’t think installing a neoprene liner (or some
other
sort of material) was a bad idea, at the time I just decided it
wasn’t necessary. The collar is so wide and smooth I didn’t see
how
it could damage anything directly on the mast. Now that I sit
here
and read the other posts and think about it, though, I may
change
it.
A lining may very well provide more grip and offer some
protection
if
it ever does slip. I’d use a cut-off rubber strip from an inner
tube.
Definitely, don’t even THINK about using 5200, you’ll never get
it
off.
For height, I second the idea to mount the mast end as low as
you
possibly can, the collar touching the existing deck ring if
possible.
On mine I even turned the mast end swivel fitting upside down
from
how Garhauer sent it in order to get the vang at as steep an
angle
as
possible. Turning that piece upside down made the mast end of
the
vang 2" lower than it would have otherwise been. For me, that
mostly
was for better clearance over an opening hatch that is right
behind
the mast, that may not be an issue on yours. The vang will
unquestionably have more power at a steeper angle, though. The
trig
on mine said that just that extra 2" worked out to about 8% more
downward force on the boom for any given tension in the vang or,
looking from the other way, about a 5% reduction in vang tension
for
a given boom position. If you have a choice, mount the mast end
low.
Vang tensions go up quickly as you move it farther up.
How tight to put the collar on? That was a big question for me,
too.
It ended up as a “mechanic’s feel” thing, I suppose, but I put
mine
on “very snug but not screaming tight.” This is, I tightened the
nuts
to contact, then ended up turning them about a third to a half a
turn
farther. I also did my best to go a bit at a time and jump
between
the bolts to get all of them tightened as evenly as possible. I
only
have 2 days of use in a maximum of around 15 knots of wind but I
don’t see the slightest movement and I was checking it
constantly.
It
seems about right. I had the boom out to nearly 90 degrees with
the
vang pulled down to the maximum and if it didn’t move then, I
doubt
it will. I will be watching this closely for the next few
months.
So far, this is an absolutely great piece of equipment
Yahoo! Groups Links
Posted by pwhitmac (pkmcfadden@…>)
Al, Sorry I didn’t get back to you with a follow-up to my first
message, but my email account decided to act-up and dis-allowed me
to post, and my original reply was lost in the megahertz.
Anyway, I probably don’t have a lot to add to the Simmonds piece. He
pretty much covered all I did in my “lost reply”. One thing tho, I
really think the use of 1/8" neoprene (white) is quite important, as
is locating the vang collar right down on top of the mast collar.
Like he said, the lower, the better (paraphrasing). If you want a
photo of my system, I’d be glad to take a digital pic and email it
to you, your choice.
Good luck, Paul M.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@y…>
wrote:
Thanks for the advice, Paul and Jerome. Paul, did your collar,
which
does sound just like mine, come from Garhauer with the neoprene
lining? Mine had no lining. What did you mean by the vang trying
to “tip” under load? When I did the measuring for my collar, I
planned to mount it about 4" above the existing collar to avoid
interfering with the blocks attached to the collar.
Al
I recently installed a Garhauer rigid vang on my Hoyt-32.
Inasmuch
as my boat was already equipped with a vang collar (Boom Kicker,
but
that’s another story), it was a simple task to retro-fit the
garhauer mounting. My collar is fabricated from 1/4" stainless
in
two halves that bolt on either side, which I imagine is fairly
typical. The collar is lined with white neoprene about 1/8"
thick.
This accomplishes two functions, first limits any sliding of the
collar, and compensates for any minute irregularities on the
inside
of the collar. I have monitored my collar closely and have been
unable to detect any movement, or damage (cracks) to the mast.
It
appears that it is working as intended. One suggestion tho, I
would
recommend that your vang collar is installed right down snug on
top
of the mast collar. I feel that this eliminates even further the
tendancy of the vang collar to try to “tip” under extreme load.
Good luck
Paul M.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@y…>
wrote:
I received my Garhauer rigid boom vang and custom mast collar
today;
they are even better made and more beautiful than I had
imagined
them to be. But a question has occured to me about attaching
the
mast collar. I know you’re not supposed to drill holes in a
carbon
fiber mast, which is why I ordered the collar. But the
Freedom
owner’s manual warns that the greatest strength of carbon
fiber
is
longitudinal and that masts removed from boats should be
protected
from crushing. So how do I know when I’ve tightened the
collar
enough the keep the vang in place but not tight enough to
damage
the
mast? Has anyone who has installed one of these used rubber
padding
between the mast and collar, or perhaps 5200 to assure a
permanent
seal without overtightening?
On another note, yesterday was my first sail on my newly
acquired
F30 and I am in love. The winds on the Chesapeake ranged from
6
to
13 knots, and she behaved beautifully. I had been warned that
she
was not a light air boat, but I have to say that she did
better
than
my Sabre 32 with its 135 genoa at the lower end of the wind
scale.
Even sailing relatively close-winded headed back to my slip, I
consistently outpaced a bigger boat flying a big genny. All
in
all,
she was an absolute delight to sail, and she far exceeded my
expectations. She was also so easy to sail (I know, I have a
lot
to
learn about sail trim) that I wondered why anyone would want
to
sail
any other kind of rig. I actually began to wonder why I
should
bother installing a wheel pilot; I’d be superfluous if I did.
Finally, has anyone actually followed the suggestion in the
Freedom
owner’s manual to use Armor-All to maintain the non-skid? It
certainly seems counterintuitive.
Cheers,
Al Lorman
Ab Initio
Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)
Paul:
Sorry about your computer problems. I’ve been convinced that I need
to mount the collar as low as possible and, in examing the deck
collar, discovered a truly bizarre araangement of existing blocks,
so I guess I’ll cure a few problems at once. I’m also convinced
that adding neoprene would be a good idea. Where did you get
yours? If I can’t find a ready source of white neoprene, I may just
go with the inner tube solution.
Bought the necessary drill bit and tap today to install the boom end
of the vang, so I’m making progress. Thanks for your kind offer of
digital photos of your installation. If it is not too much trouble,
I’d be grateful for them.
On another point, has anyone replaced their blocks with Garhauer
blocks? If so, did you use their 30 or 40 series?
Finally, since no one responded to my inquiry as to whether or not
they followed the Freedom manual suggestion to use Armour-All on the
nonskid, shall I assume that the universal answer is no?
Cheers,
Al
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “pwhitmac”
<pkmcfadden@s…> wrote:
Al, Sorry I didn’t get back to you with a follow-up to my first
message, but my email account decided to act-up and dis-allowed me
to post, and my original reply was lost in the megahertz.
Anyway, I probably don’t have a lot to add to the Simmonds piece.
He
pretty much covered all I did in my “lost reply”. One thing tho, I
really think the use of 1/8" neoprene (white) is quite important,
as
is locating the vang collar right down on top of the mast collar.
Like he said, the lower, the better (paraphrasing). If you want a
photo of my system, I’d be glad to take a digital pic and email it
to you, your choice.
Good luck, Paul M.
Posted by ketchman47 (katch47@…>)
Al- we replaced blocks with Garhauers- I just used what Mr. G
himself recommended. He is a reliable source for sizing equipment.
WE are very happy with the products- they really cut friction. I
might be afraid of Armorall making things slippery…
Lenny
Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)
Lenny:
I spoke to Mr. G when I ordered my rigid vang; he is indeed very
helpful. I’ve actually used the list of blocks in the F-30 owner’s
manual and checked their SWL on the manufacturer’s web sites. I’m
pretty sure most of the blocks will be Garhauer 30’s; but some might
be 40’s. Guess I’ll just ask.
I would have though Armour-All is pretty slippery, too, which is why
Freedom’s advice surprised me.
Al
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ketchman47”
<katch47@c…> wrote:
Al- we replaced blocks with Garhauers- I just used what Mr. G
himself recommended. He is a reliable source for sizing equipment.
WE are very happy with the products- they really cut friction. I
might be afraid of Armorall making things slippery…
Lenny