Posted by Max Lent (maxlent@…>)
Hi All,
Here’s another decision I have been asked to make and I don’t know the
answer.
“Also, note the foot is either bolt rope or slugs (your decision) and
the luff is a flat slide.”
What is the best answer to this question?
Thanks,
Max Lent
http://www.maxlent.com
Posted by Charles Arasim (crarasim@…>)
Go with a free footed main, lots more power…
----- Original Message -----
From: Max Lent
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/1/2006 6:35:01 AM
Subject: [freedom21] More sail questions
Hi All,Here’s another decision I have been asked to make and I don’t know the answer."Also, note the foot is either bolt rope or slugs (your decision) and the luff is a flat slide."What is the best answer to this question?Thanks,Max Lenthttp://www.maxlent.com
Posted by Sean Mulligan (quadmulligan@…>)
Emmylou’s main has a bolt rope, works fine. Slugs might allow one to
more easily adjust the outhaul, but I’m guessing you won’t be
fooling with that at all. It seems the foot of the main is pretty
much “set it and forget it.”
Flat slides on the luff for sure.
Sean
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Max Lent” <maxlent@…> wrote:
Hi All,
Here’s another decision I have been asked to make and I don’t know
the answer.“Also, note the foot is either bolt rope or slugs (your decision)
and the luff is a flat slide.”What is the best answer to this question?
Thanks,
Max Lent
http://www.maxlent.com
Posted by Paul Monette (pmonette@…>)
I agree, my Freedom has the same configuration
and it works fine.
Paul
“Fancy Free” F21 #128
From: freedom21@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedom21@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Mulligan
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:39
PM
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedom21] Re: More sail
questions
Emmylou’s main has a bolt
rope, works fine. Slugs might allow one to
more easily adjust the outhaul, but I’m guessing you won’t be
fooling with that at all. It seems the foot of the main is pretty
much “set it and forget it.”
Flat slides on the luff for sure.
Sean
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com,
“Max Lent” <maxlent@…> wrote:
Hi All,
Here’s another decision I have been asked to make and I don’t know
the answer.“Also, note the foot is either bolt rope or slugs (your decision)
and the luff is a flat slide.”What is the best answer to this question?
Thanks,
Max Lent
http://www.maxlent.com
\
Posted by Joe Conron (jconron@…>)
Most sail makers will recommend a
loose-foot main. Sail shape in the lower 3rd of the main is
much easier to control with a loose-foot main compared to one with bolt rope or
slugs on the foot.
Since the F21 has only the main as it’s
“engine”, sail shape and the ability to de-power the main sail is
critical.
If you insist on securing the foot to the
boom, I think that slugs are a better choice than bolt rope since they allow
you to pass lines between the foot of the main and the boom.
I’ve sailed a fin keel F21 both ways
(bolt rope and loose-foot). After I used loose foot, I never went back to
bolt-rope again. If you have a bolt rope fitted main, you can try
loose-foot by securing just the tack and clew of the main and using the outhaul
as required to give you good sail shape.
Joe Conron
Sayville, NY
From: freedom21@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedom21@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Monette
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:48
PM
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedom21] Re: More
sail questions
I agree, my Freedom has the same
configuration and it works fine.
Paul
“Fancy Free” F21 #128
From: freedom21@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedom21@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Mulligan
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:39
PM
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedom21] Re: More sail
questions
Emmylou’s main has a bolt
rope, works fine. Slugs might allow one to
more easily adjust the outhaul, but I’m guessing you won’t be
fooling with that at all. It seems the foot of the main is pretty
much “set it and forget it.”
Flat slides on the luff for sure.
Sean
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com,
“Max Lent” <maxlent@…> wrote:
Hi All,
Here’s another decision I have been asked to make and I don’t know
the answer.“Also, note the foot is either bolt rope or slugs (your decision)
and the luff is a flat slide.”What is the best answer to this question?
Thanks,
Max Lent
http://www.maxlent.com
\
Posted by Sean Mulligan (quadmulligan@…>)
Joe - I agree with your comments re loose-footed mains in general. Most boats I sail and race on are set up that way and it really helps off the wind/downwind. I haven’t done nearly enough experimentation on Emmylou (still messing with the chute) but I would like to try loose-foot as suggested. I will have to trust the lazy jacks to keep the sail from becoming a mess when dropping.
My last comment: Gary Hoyt seems to have put a lot of thought into this boat design. He intended it to be raced as a one-design. The original specs call for bolt-roped foot. The sail seems to have good shape and power even in light winds. Given the full battens, I’m not sure how much I could crack off the outhaul going off the wind.
Final point/question: on Memorial Day (Monday) we came out of Northport under main alone, then added the chute. winds were 5-6 coming over the s’bd quarter. I was playing with the combo main/chute and was making 6.8 boat speed. It was great but I was wondering if in conditions like this I should forget the main and just fly the spinnaker. Seems it would make it easier to manage. What is everyone’s experience with sail combos?
Sean Mulligan
Emmylou #307
-----Original Message-----
Most sail makers will recommend a loose-foot main. Sail shape in the lower 3rd of the main is much easier to control with a loose-foot main compared to one with bolt rope or slugs on the foot.
Since the F21 has only the main as it’s “engine”, sail shape and the ability to de-power the main sail is critical.
If you insist on securing the foot to the boom, I think that slugs are a better choice than bolt rope since they allow you to pass lines between the foot of the main and the boom.
I’ve sailed a fin keel F21 both ways (bolt rope and loose-foot). After I used loose foot, I never went back to bolt-rope again. If you have a bolt rope fitted main, you can try loose-foot by securing just the tack and clew of the main and using the outhaul as required to give you good sail shape.
Joe Conron
Sayville, NY
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Posted by bill weber (billpeggyweber@…>)
I Just keep the main centered and out of the way but raised.Sean Mulligan <quadmulligan@…> wrote: Joe - I agree with your comments re loose-footed mains in general. Most boats I sail and race on are set up that way and it really helps off the wind/downwind. I haven’t done nearly enough experimentation on Emmylou (still messing with the chute) but I would like to try loose-foot as suggested. I will have to trust the lazy jacks to keep the sail from becoming a mess when dropping. My last comment: Gary Hoyt seems to have put a lot of thought into this boat design. He intended it to be raced as a one-design. The original specs call for bolt-roped foot. The sail seems to have good shape and power even in light winds. Given the full battens, I’m not sure how much I could crack off the outhaul
going off the wind. Final point/question: on Memorial Day (Monday) we came out of Northport under main alone, then added the chute. winds were 5-6 coming over the s’bd quarter. I was playing with the combo main/chute and was making 6.8 boat speed. It was great but I was wondering if in conditions like this I should forget the main and just fly the spinnaker. Seems it would make it easier to manage. What is everyone’s experience with sail combos? Sean Mulligan Emmylou #307 -----Original Message----- Most sail makers will recommend a loose-foot main. Sail shape in the lower 3rd of the main is much easier to control with a loose-foot main compared to one with bolt rope or slugs on the foot. Since the F21 has only the main as it’s “engine”, sail shape and the ability to de-power the main sail is critical. If you insist on securing the foot to the boom, I think that slugs are a better choice than bolt rope since they allow you to pass lines between the foot of the main and the boom. I’ve sailed a fin keel F21 both ways (bolt rope and loose-foot). After I used loose foot, I never went back to bolt-rope again. If you
have a bolt rope fitted main, you can try loose-foot by securing just the tack and clew of the main and using the outhaul as required to give you good sail shape. Joe Conron Sayville, NY SPONSORED LINKS Freedom Sailing Boating Sailboat Boating magazine Boating safety __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Posted by mitya fonin (mitbok1@…>)
I got the bolt rope but eager to try takeing it out and sail loose foot. What’s unclear is how to secure the sail. I understand that outhaul will be the only point of attachment aft ? What to do with reefing lines than ? As of now, mine pass through the grommets on the foot of the sail and tied up around the boom. I guess I can make the loops around the boom larger so they allow sail to move along the boom ? I think I have some slugs laying around. Is it possible to rig one or two to the tack of the main and fit it into the boom making some sort of an improvised outhaul cart ? Sean Mulligan <quadmulligan@…> wrote: Joe - I agree with your comments re loose-footed mains in general. Most boats I sail and race on are set up that way and it really helps off the wind/downwind. I haven’t done nearly enough experimentation on Emmylou (still messing with the chute) but I would like to
try loose-foot as suggested. I will have to trust the lazy jacks to keep the sail from becoming a mess when dropping. My last comment: Gary Hoyt seems to have put a lot of thought into this boat design. He intended it to be raced as a one-design. The original specs call for bolt-roped foot. The sail seems to have good shape and power even in light winds. Given the full battens, I’m not sure how much I could crack off the outhaul going off the wind. Final point/question: on Memorial Day (Monday) we came out of Northport under main alone, then added the chute. winds were 5-6 coming over the s’bd quarter. I was playing with the combo main/chute and was making
6.8 boat speed. It was great but I was wondering if in conditions like this I should forget the main and just fly the spinnaker. Seems it would make it easier to manage. What is everyone’s experience with sail combos? Sean Mulligan Emmylou #307 -----Original Message----- Most sail makers will recommend a loose-foot main. Sail shape in the lower 3rd of the main is much easier to control with a loose-foot main compared
to one with bolt rope or slugs on the foot. Since the F21 has only the main as it’s “engineâ€, sail shape and the ability to de-power the main sail is critical. If you insist on securing the foot to the boom, I think that slugs are a better choice than bolt rope since they allow you to pass lines between the foot of the main and the
boom. I’ve sailed a fin keel F21 both ways (bolt rope and loose-foot). After I used loose foot, I never went back to bolt-rope again. If you have a bolt rope fitted main, you can try loose-foot by securing just the tack and clew of the main and using the outhaul as required to give you good sail shape. Joe Conron Sayville, NY __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Posted by j32080@…> (j32080@…>)
I sail my new J/32 with a (North Sails) loose-footed main. I sailed the Freedom 21 with the exact same setup as you describe so I am familiar with your situation. Outhaul The clew of the main will rise up when the outhaul is loosened. In order to keep the clew of the main close to the boom, I have a “strop” (provided by my sail maker - North) that is made of velcro (one side hooks, the other side loops) that wraps through the tack ring and around the boom. This strop slides along the boom when I ease or tighten the outhaul. You could also use a sail slide that will fit into the bolt rope slot to emulate a “car”. Reefing Lines Just loop them around the boom and tie a bowline. Just don’t make then super tight. They’ll slide along the boom. I.e.,
pretend that the grommets at the foot of the sail weren’t there. -John Former owner “Blue Merle” #259 mitya fonin <mitbok1@…> wrote: I got the bolt rope but eager to try takeing it out and sail loose foot. What’s unclear is how to secure the sail. I understand that outhaul will be the only point of attachment aft ? What to do with reefing lines than ? As of now, mine pass through the grommets on the foot of the sail and tied up around the
boom. I guess I can make the loops around the boom larger so they allow sail to move along the boom ? I think I have some slugs laying around. Is it possible to rig one or two to the tack of the main and fit it into the boom making some sort of an improvised outhaul cart ? Sean Mulligan <quadmulligan@…> wrote: Joe - I agree with your comments re loose-footed mains in general. Most boats I sail and race on are set up that way and it really helps off the wind/downwind. I haven’t done nearly enough experimentation on Emmylou (still messing with the chute) but I would like to try loose-foot as suggested. I will have to trust the lazy jacks to keep the sail from becoming a mess when dropping. My last comment: Gary Hoyt seems to have put a lot of thought into this boat design. He intended it to be raced as a one-design. The original specs call for bolt-roped foot. The sail seems to have good shape and power even in light winds. Given the full battens, I’m not sure how much I could crack off the outhaul going off the wind. Final point/question: on Memorial Day (Monday) we came out of Northport under main alone, then added the chute. winds were 5-6 coming over the s’bd quarter. I was playing with the combo main/chute and was making 6.8 boat speed. It was great but I was wondering if in conditions like this I should forget the main and just fly the spinnaker. Seems it would make it easier to manage. What is
everyone’s experience with sail combos? Sean Mulligan Emmylou #307 -----Original Message----- Most sail makers will recommend a loose-foot main. Sail shape in the lower 3rd of the main is much easier to control with a loose-foot main compared to one with bolt rope or slugs on the foot. Since the F21 has only the main as it’s “engineâ€, sail shape and the ability to de-power the main sail is critical. If you insist on securing the foot to the boom, I think that slugs are a better choice than bolt rope since they allow you to pass lines between the foot of the main and the boom. I’ve sailed a fin keel F21 both ways (bolt rope and loose-foot). After I used loose foot, I never went back to bolt-rope again. If you have a bolt rope fitted main, you can try loose-foot by securing just the tack and clew of the main and using the outhaul as required to give you good sail shape. Joe Conron Sayville, NY __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com