Mull 28 Mast Drainage

Posted by lioneldmp7 (doug.payne@…>)

I have noted from pevious posts that some Freedoms have a drainage hole
in the bottom of the mast base step to allow water coming down the
inside of the mast to drain into the bilge. I have the first boat built
of the Freedom Mull 28’s and guess they didn’t figure out they had a
probem when the first hull was built. 28 and 30 owners, where is the
drainage hole and how does it work? Seems that there would be a
structural member under the aluminum step. Drilling a hole in the base
would just go down into the structural member and not provide drainage.
The problem is that the water runs across the floor of the V berth
cabin and pools against the bulkhead which can begin to cause rot. Any
ideas on how to correct this?

Posted by Dave Evans (dave@…>)

Even with the hole at the mast step, the water didn’t run through a passage,
at least in our former mid-run Mull 28. There should be a hole in the
bulkhead that leads to the bilge via the under-sink space in the head. Your
step is aluminum? Ours was all molded fiberglass.
I remember seeing #1 on the hard at EasternYachts in Hingham. It has some
extra cabinetry, but they hadn’t realized that the overhead lights shouldn’t
be in the middle of the panels, but offset from where heads (human) end up.
dge

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I have noted from pevious posts that some Freedoms have a drainage hole
in the bottom of the mast base step to allow water coming down the
inside of the mast to drain into the bilge. I have the first boat built
of the Freedom Mull 28’s and guess they didn’t figure out they had a
probem when the first hull was built. 28 and 30 owners, where is the
drainage hole and how does it work? Seems that there would be a
structural member under the aluminum step. Drilling a hole in the base
would just go down into the structural member and not provide drainage.
The problem is that the water runs across the floor of the V berth
cabin and pools against the bulkhead which can begin to cause rot. Any
ideas on how to correct this?








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Posted by lioneldmp7 (doug.payne@…>)

I have noted from pevious posts that some Freedoms have a drainage hole
in the bottom of the mast base step to allow water coming down the
inside of the mast to drain into the bilge. I have the first boat built
of the Freedom Mull 28’s and guess they didn’t figure out they had a
probem when the first hull was built. 28 and 30 owners, where is the
drainage hole and how does it work? Seems that there would be a
structural member under the aluminum step. Drilling a hole in the base
would just go down into the structural member and not provide drainage.
The problem is that the water runs across the floor of the V berth
cabin and pools against the bulkhead which can begin to cause rot. Any
ideas on how to correct this?

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


I can’t speak with any authority to the 28, but I had a similar problem on my 30. I drilled a few small holes at about 45 degrees into the base of the v berth bulkhead and that was enough to drain any water into the bilge.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lioneldmp7Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:03 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Mull 28 Mast DrainageI have noted from pevious posts that some Freedoms have a drainage hole in the bottom of the mast base step to allow water coming down the inside of the mast to drain into the bilge. I have the first boat built of the Freedom Mull 28’s and guess they didn’t figure out they had a probem when the first hull was built. 28 and 30 owners, where is the drainage hole and how does it work? Seems that there would be a structural member under the aluminum step. Drilling a hole in the base would just go down into the structural member and not provide drainage. The problem is that the water runs across the floor of the V berth cabin and pools against the bulkhead which can begin to cause rot. Any ideas on how to correct this?

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Posted by Payne, Doug (doug.payne@…>)


Thanks Al, good idea, I was thinking of
attacking the problem by drilling through the base of the mast, but since I don’t
know what is under there, no assurance the water makes it to the bilge.

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Managing
Partner Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum,
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Sherry Lane
Suite 1000 PMB 101
Dallas, Texas 75225
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:06
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Mull 28 Mast Drainage



I can’t speak with any authority to the
28, but I had a similar problem on my 30. I drilled a few small holes at
about 45 degrees into the base of the v berth bulkhead and that was enough to
drain any water into the bilge.

\



Al Lorman


F30 Ab Initio

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On Behalf Of lioneldmp7
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:03
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Mull
28 Mast Drainage
I have noted from pevious
posts that some Freedoms have a drainage hole
in the bottom of the mast base step to allow water coming down the
inside of the mast to drain into the bilge. I have the first boat built
of the Freedom Mull 28’s and guess they didn’t figure out they had a
probem when the first hull was built. 28 and 30 owners, where is the
drainage hole and how does it work? Seems that there would be a
structural member under the aluminum step. Drilling a hole in the base
would just go down into the structural member and not provide drainage.
The problem is that the water runs across the floor of the V berth
cabin and pools against the bulkhead which can begin to cause rot. Any
ideas on how to correct this?




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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Doug:

The water in my F30 was collecting right at the intersection of the cabin sole and the rear v berth bulkhead (about 6-8" aft of the mast on the 30), which some ingenious PO had caulked. The holes were angled to both get through the bulkhead and reach the bilge. I did test it and the water did drain. If your set up is different, or if the water is collecting elsewhere, your mileage may vary.

Best of luck,

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, DougSent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:13 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Mull 28 Mast Drainage

Thanks Al, good idea, I was thinking of attacking the problem by drilling through the base of the mast, but since I don’t know what is under there, no assurance the water makes it to the bilge.

••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:06 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Mull 28 Mast Drainage



I can’t speak with any authority to the 28, but I had a similar problem on my 30. I drilled a few small holes at about 45 degrees into the base of the v berth bulkhead and that was enough to drain any water into the bilge.

Al Lorman

F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lioneldmp7Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:03 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Mull 28 Mast Drainage
I have noted from pevious posts that some Freedoms have a drainage hole in the bottom of the mast base step to allow water coming down the inside of the mast to drain into the bilge. I have the first boat built of the Freedom Mull 28’s and guess they didn’t figure out they had a probem when the first hull was built. 28 and 30 owners, where is the drainage hole and how does it work? Seems that there would be a structural member under the aluminum step. Drilling a hole in the base would just go down into the structural member and not provide drainage. The problem is that the water runs across the floor of the V berth cabin and pools against the bulkhead which can begin to cause rot. Any ideas on how to correct this?

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Posted by Payne, Doug (doug.payne@…>)


My boat has been in Arizona so the water was always dried up by
the time I got to the boat. But there would be black flakes from the
deteriorating sleeve around the bolt in the base of the mast spread
across the floor from the mast to the bulkhead indicating water had been there,
plus the bulkhead has a little rot. Paul Dennis said that there is not a
structural concern about a little rot in that area. He couldn’t recall
what the structure was under the fiberglass mast step so wasn’t sure
about drilling holes in the base of the mast step. He was sure that each bulk
head under the cabin sole had weep holes as the chain locker in the stem must
be able to drain all the way to the bilge. My options he said were to try
drilling through the base if I can get a hole to the bilge, a pattern of holes
in the floor right behind the mast, or the angled holes you describe in the
bulkhead. He said if I did the later to seal the holes to prevent further rot
from occurring, or to even consider clearing out the small rotted area, clearly
making a larger passage way to the bilge, then covering the exposed hole in the
bulkhead on the main salon side with a strip of teak trim. Next step is to poke
around as much as I can to determine what the structure is I am dealing with
ahead of the bulkhead and then pick from one of these alternatives. Thank for
your thoughts.

••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

Douglas M. Payne
Managing
Partner Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum,
LLC
5956
Sherry Lane
Suite 1000 PMB 101
Dallas, Texas 75225
office ••• 972.496.2700
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com





From:
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:00
PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Mull 28 Mast Drainage

Doug:

\



The water in my F30 was collecting right
at the intersection of the cabin sole and the rear v berth bulkhead (about
6-8" aft of the mast on the 30), which some ingenious PO
had caulked. The holes were angled to both get through the bulkhead
and reach the bilge. I did test it and the water did drain. If your
set up is different, or if the water is collecting elsewhere, your mileage may
vary.

\



Best of luck,

\



Al

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From:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:13
PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Mull 28 Mast Drainage
Thanks Al, good idea, I was thinking of
attacking the problem by drilling through the base of the mast, but since I
don’t know what is under there, no assurance the water makes it to the
bilge.

••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

Douglas M. Payne
Managing
Partner Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum,
LLC
5956
Sherry Lane
Suite 1000 PMB 101
Dallas, Texas 75225
office ••• 972.496.2700
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com





From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:06
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Mull 28 Mast Drainage



I can’t speak with any authority to the
28, but I had a similar problem on my 30. I drilled a few small holes at
about 45 degrees into the base of the v berth bulkhead and that was enough to
drain any water into the bilge.

\



Al Lorman


F30 Ab Initio

\

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lioneldmp7
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:03
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Mull
28 Mast Drainage
I have noted from pevious
posts that some Freedoms have a drainage hole
in the bottom of the mast base step to allow water coming down the
inside of the mast to drain into the bilge. I have the first boat built
of the Freedom Mull 28’s and guess they didn’t figure out they had a
probem when the first hull was built. 28 and 30 owners, where is the
drainage hole and how does it work? Seems that there would be a
structural member under the aluminum step. Drilling a hole in the base
would just go down into the structural member and not provide drainage.
The problem is that the water runs across the floor of the V berth
cabin and pools against the bulkhead which can begin to cause rot. Any
ideas on how to correct this?



\



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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)


In my F-33 the step and longitudinal cross
member are solid fiberglass. Each step has a large circular opening in the
center with the only obstruction being the longitudinal support. Drainage is no
problem.
Alan


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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:41
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Mull 28 Mast Drainage

My boat has been in Arizona so the water was always dried up by
the time I got to the boat. But there would be black flakes from the
deteriorating sleeve around the bolt in the base of the mast spread
across the floor from the mast to the bulkhead indicating water had been there,
plus the bulkhead has a little rot. Paul Dennis said that there is not a
structural concern about a little rot in that area. He couldn’t recall
what the structure was under the fiberglass mast step so wasn’t sure
about drilling holes in the base of the mast step. He was sure that each bulk
head under the cabin sole had weep holes as the chain locker in the stem must
be able to drain all the way to the bilge. My options he said were to try
drilling through the base if I can get a hole to the bilge, a pattern of holes
in the floor right behind the mast, or the angled holes you describe in the
bulkhead. He said if I did the later to seal the holes to prevent further rot
from occurring, or to even consider clearing out the small rotted area, clearly
making a larger passage way to the bilge, then covering the exposed hole in the
bulkhead on the main salon side with a strip of teak trim. Next step is to poke
around as much as I can to determine what the structure is I am dealing with
ahead of the bulkhead and then pick from one of these alternatives. Thank for
your thoughts.

••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

Douglas M. Payne
Managing
Partner Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum,
LLC
5956
Sherry Lane
Suite 1000 PMB 101
Dallas, Texas 75225
office ••• 972.496.2700
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com





From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:00
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Mull 28 Mast Drainage

Doug:

\



The water in my F30 was collecting right
at the intersection of the cabin sole and the rear v berth bulkhead (about
6-8" aft of the mast on the 30), which some ingenious PO
had caulked. The holes were angled to both get through the bulkhead
and reach the bilge. I did test it and the water did drain. If your
set up is different, or if the water is collecting elsewhere, your mileage may
vary.

\



Best of luck,

\



Al

\

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:13
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Mull 28 Mast Drainage
Thanks Al, good idea, I was thinking of
attacking the problem by drilling through the base of the mast, but since I
don’t know what is under there, no assurance the water makes it to the
bilge.

••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

Douglas M. Payne
Managing
Partner Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum,
LLC
5956
Sherry Lane
Suite 1000 PMB 101
Dallas, Texas 75225
office ••• 972.496.2700
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com





From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:06
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Mull 28 Mast Drainage



I can’t speak with any authority to the
28, but I had a similar problem on my 30. I drilled a few small holes at
about 45 degrees into the base of the v berth bulkhead and that was enough to
drain any water into the bilge.

\



Al Lorman


F30 Ab Initio

\

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lioneldmp7
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:03
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Mull
28 Mast Drainage
I have noted from pevious
posts that some Freedoms have a drainage hole
in the bottom of the mast base step to allow water coming down the
inside of the mast to drain into the bilge. I have the first boat built
of the Freedom Mull 28’s and guess they didn’t figure out they had a
probem when the first hull was built. 28 and 30 owners, where is the
drainage hole and how does it work? Seems that there would be a
structural member under the aluminum step. Drilling a hole in the base
would just go down into the structural member and not provide drainage.
The problem is that the water runs across the floor of the V berth
cabin and pools against the bulkhead which can begin to cause rot. Any
ideas on how to correct this?

\



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as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the
purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If
any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or
recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to
any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or
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taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor

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