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Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)

I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom exhaust
fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the
exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on
Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on the
transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent hours
on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the US.
I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are prohibitive.
Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what I’m
looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any leads
would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Something like this?

http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…>
wrote:

I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom
exhaust
fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the
exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on
Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on
the
transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent
hours
on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the
US.
I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are
prohibitive.
Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what
I’m
looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any
leads
would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)

See this URL http://shop.torresen.com/ships_store/index.php?p=details&mfc=ORCAS&sku=9005215-S&frm=g for 2" SS exhaust fitting

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To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] New exhaust fitting?


I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom exhaustfitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace theexhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose onCraigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on thetransom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent hourson the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the US. I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are prohibitive.Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what I’mlooking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any leadswould be greatly appreciated.Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Lance and Jerry:

Many thanks for responding.

Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs except for one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit farther aft in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.

Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing to me since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not have much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.

Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome plated brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every size but 2".

The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull side. Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes a 2": fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is probably a but more work than I want to do right now.

Best,

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Something like this?http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F--- In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom exhaust> fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the> exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on> Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on the> transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent hours> on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the US. > I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are prohibitive.> Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what I’m> looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any leads> would be greatly appreciated.> > Many thanks.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio>

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Al,

Be careful putting the exhaust on the side of a sailing vessel! On
motorboats it’s no problem, but these don’t heel. Make sure you know
what happens if your boat heels either way and the exhaust is either
deep below the waterline or high above it.
Just a thought.

michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Lance and Jerry:

Many thanks for responding.

Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs except
for
one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit
farther aft
in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.

Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing
to me
since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not
have
much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.

Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome
plated
brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every
size but
2".

The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull side.
Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes a
2":
fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is
probably a
but more work than I want to do right now.

Best,

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Something like this?

http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@>

wrote:

I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom
exhaust
fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the
exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on
Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on
the
transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent
hours
on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the
US.
I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are
prohibitive.
Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what
I’m
looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any
leads
would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)

You could have one made from 2" SS tube,and have a flange welded on it. Or,as I did with my plastic one,just add a small piece of tubing so it projects aft of the transom. BTW,clearing the transom doesn’t cure the diesel stain,just reduces it. I clean the transom well before launch,and put 6 or so coats of wax on it to seal the pores,and that reduces the stain sticking,and also makes it easier to clean

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?




Lance and Jerry:

Many thanks for responding.

Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs except for one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit farther aft in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.

Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing to me since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not have much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.

Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome plated brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every size but 2".

The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull side. Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes a 2": fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is probably a but more work than I want to do right now.

Best,

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Something like this?http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F--- In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom exhaust> fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the> exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on> Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on the> transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent hours> on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the US. > I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are prohibitive.> Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what I’m> looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any leads> would be greatly appreciated.> > Many thanks.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio>

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Michel:

Actually, the exhaust on an F30 does not meet current US standards; it is far too close to the water line. In fact, putting the exhaust on the side, either on the transom or the hull topsides, makes it harder for water to back up if you run the exhaust hose to a high point on the opposite side of the hull. When the boat heels, there is a longer straight drop that prevents water intrusion.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capelSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:19 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Al,Be careful putting the exhaust on the side of a sailing vessel! On motorboats it’s no problem, but these don’t heel. Make sure you know what happens if your boat heels either way and the exhaust is either deep below the waterline or high above it.Just a thought.michel— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> Lance and Jerry:> > Many thanks for responding.> > Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs except for> one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit farther aft> in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.> > Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing to me> since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not have> much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.> > Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome plated> brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every size but> 2".> > The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull side.> Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes a 2":> fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is probably a> but more work than I want to do right now.> > Best,> > Al> > > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?> > > > Something like this?> > http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F> http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman” <ajlorman@>> > wrote:> >> > I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom > exhaust> > fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the> > exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on> > Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on > the> > transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent > hours> > on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the > US. > > I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are > prohibitive.> > Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what > I’m> > looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any > leads> > would be greatly appreciated.> > > > Many thanks.> > > > Al Lorman> > F30 Ab Initio> >> > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.> > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.>

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Jerry:

Now, that’s an approach that I didn’t think of. Did you run the stainless tube through a Vetus exhaust, or did you have a different brand?

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerry weinraubSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:32 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?


You could have one made from 2" SS tube,and have a flange welded on it. Or,as I did with my plastic one,just add a small piece of tubing so it projects aft of the transom. BTW,clearing the transom doesn’t cure the diesel stain,just reduces it. I clean the transom well before launch,and put 6 or so coats of wax on it to seal the pores,and that reduces the stain sticking,and also makes it easier to clean

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?




Lance and Jerry:

Many thanks for responding.

Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs except for one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit farther aft in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.

Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing to me since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not have much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.

Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome plated brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every size but 2".

The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull side. Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes a 2": fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is probably a but more work than I want to do right now.

Best,

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Something like this?http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F--- In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom exhaust> fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the> exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on> Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on the> transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent hours> on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the US. > I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are prohibitive.> Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what I’m> looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any leads> would be greatly appreciated.> > Many thanks.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio>

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Posted by svbagatelle (svbagatelle@…>)

I second Al’s reply. I put the exhaust on the starboard side (higher
up than where it was on the transom) when I retrofitted the sugar
scoop stern to my F-30. Following factory instructions I allowed a
loop in the exhaust line and have had no problems.
Paul F30/32 “Bagatelle”

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Michel:

Actually, the exhaust on an F30 does not meet current US
standards; it
is far too close to the water line. In fact, putting the exhaust
on the
side, either on the transom or the hull topsides, makes it harder
for
water to back up if you run the exhaust hose to a high point on the
opposite side of the hull. When the boat heels, there is a longer
straight drop that prevents water intrusion.

Al
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:19 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Al,

Be careful putting the exhaust on the side of a sailing vessel! On
motorboats it’s no problem, but these don’t heel. Make sure you
know
what happens if your boat heels either way and the exhaust is
either
deep below the waterline or high above it.
Just a thought.

michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:

Lance and Jerry:

Many thanks for responding.

Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs
except
for
one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit
farther aft
in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.

Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing
to me
since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not
have
much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.

Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome
plated
brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every
size but
2".

The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull
side.
Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes
a
2":
fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is
probably a
but more work than I want to do right now.

Best,

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
lance_ryley
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Something like this?

http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
<http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F >

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@>

wrote:

I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom
exhaust
fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the
exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on
Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install
on
the
transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have
spent
hours
on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in
the
US.
I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are
prohibitive.
Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of
what
I’m
looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any
leads
would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed
under
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in
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entity,
investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the
advice
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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

But when it heels to the other side…?

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Michel:

Actually, the exhaust on an F30 does not meet current US
standards; it
is far too close to the water line. In fact, putting the exhaust
on the
side, either on the transom or the hull topsides, makes it harder
for
water to back up if you run the exhaust hose to a high point on the
opposite side of the hull. When the boat heels, there is a longer
straight drop that prevents water intrusion.

Al
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:19 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Al,

Be careful putting the exhaust on the side of a sailing vessel! On
motorboats it’s no problem, but these don’t heel. Make sure you
know
what happens if your boat heels either way and the exhaust is
either
deep below the waterline or high above it.
Just a thought.

michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:

Lance and Jerry:

Many thanks for responding.

Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs
except
for
one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit
farther aft
in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.

Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing
to me
since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not
have
much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.

Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome
plated
brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every
size but
2".

The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull
side.
Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes
a
2":
fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is
probably a
but more work than I want to do right now.

Best,

Al

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Something like this?

http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
<http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F >

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@>

wrote:

I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom
exhaust
fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the
exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on
Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install
on
the
transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have
spent
hours
on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in
the
US.
I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are
prohibitive.
Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of
what
I’m
looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any
leads
would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Michel:

If the exhaust is on the port side and the exhaust hose runs (inside the hull) up to the top of the starboard side, when the boat heels to port, the exhaust hose is almost a vertical stack preventing water intrusion. When the boat heels to starboard, the exhaust fitting on the port side is well out of the water.

Your concern is valid, but the problem is solved by the loop you make with the exhaust hose.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capelSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:08 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

But when it heels to the other side…?— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> Michel:> > Actually, the exhaust on an F30 does not meet current US standards; it> is far too close to the water line. In fact, putting the exhaust on the> side, either on the transom or the hull topsides, makes it harder for> water to back up if you run the exhaust hose to a high point on the> opposite side of the hull. When the boat heels, there is a longer> straight drop that prevents water intrusion.> > Al> -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capel> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:19 AM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?> > > > Al,> > Be careful putting the exhaust on the side of a sailing vessel! On > motorboats it’s no problem, but these don’t heel. Make sure you know > what happens if your boat heels either way and the exhaust is either > deep below the waterline or high above it.> Just a thought.> > michel> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.” > <ajlorman@> wrote:> >> > Lance and Jerry:> > > > Many thanks for responding.> > > > Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs except > for> > one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit > farther aft> > in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.> > > > Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing > to me> > since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not > have> > much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.> > > > Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome > plated> > brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every > size but> > 2".> > > > The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull side.> > Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes a > 2":> > fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is > probably a> > but more work than I want to do right now.> > > > Best,> > > > Al> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of lance_ryley> > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?> > > > > > > > Something like this?> > > > http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F> http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > > http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman” > <ajlorman@>> > > > wrote:> > >> > > I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom > > exhaust> > > fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the> > > exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on> > > Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on > > the> > > transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent > > hours> > > on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the > > US. > > > I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are > > prohibitive.> > > Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what > > I’m> > > looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any > > leads> > > would be greatly appreciated.> > > > > > Many thanks.> > > > > > Al Lorman> > > F30 Ab Initio> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax > matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, > Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer > for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under > U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in > promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice > was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other > than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, > and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers > particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.> > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system > manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.> >>

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Paul:
When you relocated your transom exhaust fitting, did you put it on the hull side or somewhere on your new transom extension? If the former, did you find a place that was not cored?
Many thanks.
Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelleSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:09 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

I second Al’s reply. I put the exhaust on the starboard side (higher up than where it was on the transom) when I retrofitted the sugar scoop stern to my F-30. Following factory instructions I allowed a loop in the exhaust line and have had no problems.Paul F30/32 “Bagatelle”— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> Michel:> > Actually, the exhaust on an F30 does not meet current US standards; it> is far too close to the water line. In fact, putting the exhaust on the> side, either on the transom or the hull topsides, makes it harder for> water to back up if you run the exhaust hose to a high point on the> opposite side of the hull. When the boat heels, there is a longer> straight drop that prevents water intrusion.> > Al> -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capel> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:19 AM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?> > > > Al,> > Be careful putting the exhaust on the side of a sailing vessel! On > motorboats it’s no problem, but these don’t heel. Make sure you know > what happens if your boat heels either way and the exhaust is either > deep below the waterline or high above it.> Just a thought.> > michel> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.” > <ajlorman@> wrote:> >> > Lance and Jerry:> > > > Many thanks for responding.> > > > Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs except > for> > one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit > farther aft> > in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.> > > > Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing > to me> > since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not > have> > much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.> > > > Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome > plated> > brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every > size but> > 2".> > > > The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull side.> > Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes a > 2":> > fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is > probably a> > but more work than I want to do right now.> > > > Best,> > > > Al> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of lance_ryley> > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?> > > > > > > > Something like this?> > > > http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F> http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > > http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman” > <ajlorman@>> > > > wrote:> > >> > > I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom > > exhaust> > > fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the> > > exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on> > > Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on > > the> > > transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent > > hours> > > on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the > > US. > > > I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are > > prohibitive.> > > Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what > > I’m> > > looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any > > leads> > > would be greatly appreciated.> > > > > > Many thanks.> > > > > > Al Lorman> > > F30 Ab Initio> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax > matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, > Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer > for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under > U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in > promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice > was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other > than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, > and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers > particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.> > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system > manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.> >>

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Posted by svbagatelle (svbagatelle@…>)

Al,
I used a hole saw to make the hole, on the side of the existing
hull. The hull was cored, but I cut out an additional 1/2" of core
and filled it with epoxy before installing the fitting. I used the
existing one taken from the transom (I think I looked for a new one,
and, like you, found it difficult to locate a new one that fit).
Good luck,
Paul
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Paul:

When you relocated your transom exhaust fitting, did you put it on
the
hull side or somewhere on your new transom extension? If the
former, did
you find a place that was not cored?

Many thanks.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelle
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:09 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

I second Al’s reply. I put the exhaust on the starboard side
(higher
up than where it was on the transom) when I retrofitted the sugar
scoop stern to my F-30. Following factory instructions I allowed a
loop in the exhaust line and have had no problems.
Paul F30/32 “Bagatelle”

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:

Michel:

Actually, the exhaust on an F30 does not meet current US
standards; it
is far too close to the water line. In fact, putting the exhaust
on the
side, either on the transom or the hull topsides, makes it
harder
for
water to back up if you run the exhaust hose to a high point on
the
opposite side of the hull. When the boat heels, there is a longer
straight drop that prevents water intrusion.

Al
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:19 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Al,

Be careful putting the exhaust on the side of a sailing vessel!
On
motorboats it’s no problem, but these don’t heel. Make sure you
know
what happens if your boat heels either way and the exhaust is
either
deep below the waterline or high above it.
Just a thought.

michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin
J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:

Lance and Jerry:

Many thanks for responding.

Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs
except
for
one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit
farther aft
in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s
develop.

Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is
embarrassing
to me
since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does
not
have
much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.

Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is
chrome
plated
brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every
size but
2".

The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull
side.
Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone
makes
a
2":
fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is
probably a
but more work than I want to do right now.

Best,

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
lance_ryley
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Something like this?

http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
<http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F >
<http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
<http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > >

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@>

wrote:

I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus
transom
exhaust
fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace
the
exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on
Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to
install
on
the
transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have
spent
hours
on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in
the
US.
I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are
prohibitive.
Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of
what
I’m
looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section.
Any
leads
would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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under
U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax
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Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)

I did it with the original plastique fitting,but it can be done with SS as well.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?



Jerry:

Now, that’s an approach that I didn’t think of. Did you run the stainless tube through a Vetus exhaust, or did you have a different brand?

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerry weinraubSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:32 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?


You could have one made from 2" SS tube,and have a flange welded on it. Or,as I did with my plastic one,just add a small piece of tubing so it projects aft of the transom. BTW,clearing the transom doesn’t cure the diesel stain,just reduces it. I clean the transom well before launch,and put 6 or so coats of wax on it to seal the pores,and that reduces the stain sticking,and also makes it easier to clean

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?




Lance and Jerry:

Many thanks for responding.

Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs except for one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit farther aft in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.

Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing to me since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not have much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.

Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome plated brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every size but 2".

The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull side. Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes a 2": fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is probably a but more work than I want to do right now.

Best,

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Something like this?http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F--- In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom exhaust> fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the> exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on> Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install on the> transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have spent hours> on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in the US. > I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are prohibitive.> Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of what I’m> looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any leads> would be greatly appreciated.> > Many thanks.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio>

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Thanks, Paul. If you ever have a chance to get a photo of the location, I’d be grateful. If I decide to go the hull side route, a fellow in Canada makes 2" stainless angled exhausts for relocating the exhaust on Nonsuchs. No reason why it wouldn’t work on a Freedom.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelleSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:21 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?

Al,I used a hole saw to make the hole, on the side of the existing hull. The hull was cored, but I cut out an additional 1/2" of core and filled it with epoxy before installing the fitting. I used the existing one taken from the transom (I think I looked for a new one, and, like you, found it difficult to locate a new one that fit).Good luck,Paul— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> Paul:> > When you relocated your transom exhaust fitting, did you put it on the> hull side or somewhere on your new transom extension? If the former, did> you find a place that was not cored?> > Many thanks.> > Al> > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelle> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:09 PM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?> > > > I second Al’s reply. I put the exhaust on the starboard side (higher > up than where it was on the transom) when I retrofitted the sugar > scoop stern to my F-30. Following factory instructions I allowed a > loop in the exhaust line and have had no problems.> Paul F30/32 “Bagatelle”> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.” > <ajlorman@> wrote:> >> > Michel:> > > > Actually, the exhaust on an F30 does not meet current US > standards; it> > is far too close to the water line. In fact, putting the exhaust > on the> > side, either on the transom or the hull topsides, makes it harder > for> > water to back up if you run the exhaust hose to a high point on the> > opposite side of the hull. When the boat heels, there is a longer> > straight drop that prevents water intrusion.> > > > Al> > -----Original Message-----> > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of > michel.capel> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:19 AM> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?> > > > > > > > Al,> > > > Be careful putting the exhaust on the side of a sailing vessel! On > > motorboats it’s no problem, but these don’t heel. Make sure you > know > > what happens if your boat heels either way and the exhaust is > either > > deep below the waterline or high above it.> > Just a thought.> > > > michel> > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.” > > <ajlorman@> wrote:> > >> > > Lance and Jerry:> > > > > > Many thanks for responding.> > > > > > Lance, I have seen the Vetus fitting and it meets my needs > except > > for> > > one thing: I’d like a bit more lip to carry the water a bit > > farther aft> > > in an attempt to minimize the diesel mustache that F30s develop.> > > > > > Jerry: That is a fitting I have not seen (which is embarrassing > > to me> > > since I buy my parts from Torresen). Like the Vetus, it does not > > have> > > much of a lip but is certainly worth exploring further.> > > > > > Buck Algonquin makes exactly the shape I want, but it is chrome > > plated> > > brass, and ABI makes exactly what I want in stainless in every > > size but> > > 2".> > > > > > The real fix for this is to relocate the exhaust to the hull > side.> > > Nonsuchs have the same diesel mustache problem and someone makes > a > > 2":> > > fitting for installation on the side of the hull. That is > > probably a> > > but more work than I want to do right now.> > > > > > Best,> > > > > > Al> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of > lance_ryley> > > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM> > > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New exhaust fitting?> > > > > > > > > > > > Something like this?> > > > > > http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F> http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > > http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > > > > http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > > http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=84966F > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman” > > <ajlorman@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > I’ve always disliked the chrome and black rubber Vetus transom > > > exhaust> > > > fitting on my F30. One of my winter projects is to replace the> > > > exhaust hose (got a great buy on brand new Vetus 2" hose on> > > > Craigslist) and the transom fitting. What I’d like to install > on > > > the> > > > transom is a 2" hose size stainless steel fitting. I have > spent > > > hours> > > > on the Internet and such a product does not seem to exist in > the > > > US. > > > > I can find several in Europe, but the shipping costs are > > > prohibitive.> > > > Does anyone have any suggestions? I’ve attached a photo of > what > > > I’m> > > > looking for in the Ab Initio folder in the photo section. Any > > > leads> > > > would be greatly appreciated.> > > > > > > > Many thanks.> > > > > > > > Al Lorman> > > > F30 Ab Initio> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. 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