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Posted by keithmaryq (keithmaryq@…>)

My son recently acquired a Freedom 21 that apparently hasn’t been
sailed for a while. We have zero experience with keel boats (I sail
a Flying Scot) and are going to learn on this one…if we can get it
sea worthy without breaking the bank.

Actually, the hull seems to be in pretty good shape. We found some
old registration cards in the cabin that indicate it used to belong
to someone living in Georgia…the cards say the hull ID is
TSP2125M84H. Based on this, can anyone tell us when it was built,
and the hull number?

Although it needs plenty of work, our biggest concern is the lack of
a mast. We have the bottom portion of the mast up to just above the
goose neck…it appears it was sheared off somehow. We do have an
alluminum mast that could possibly be sleeved into what is left of
the carbon-fiber mast…but we haven’t really explored this option
and we really don’t know if this is at all feasable. Does anyone
know the specs for the original mast so we can determine if what we
have will work…or better yet does anyone know of an inexpensive
alternative to buying a new carbon fiber mast?

We haven’t had it long, but at this point we can also tell it’s
missing the spin pole and gun mount, the spinnaker and associated
rigging, and all other rigging too.

We look forward to exchanging information via this forum and
appreciate those who contribute to it. We would really like any
information on used parts, sources for the same, and Freedom 21
restoration nuances.

Keith and Thomas

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Posted by esx123 (scott_shuler@…>)
Try: http://www.freedom21.info./ You will find just about anything you need to know at this site.keithmaryq <keithmaryq@…> wrote: My son recently acquired a Freedom 21 that apparently hasn’t been sailed for a while. We have zero experience with keel boats (I sail a Flying Scot) and are going to learn on this one…if we can get it sea worthy without breaking the bank.Actually, the hull seems to be in
pretty good shape. We found some old registration cards in the cabin that indicate it used to belong to someone living in Georgia…the cards say the hull ID is TSP2125M84H. Based on this, can anyone tell us when it was built, and the hull number?Although it needs plenty of work, our biggest concern is the lack of a mast. We have the bottom portion of the mast up to just above the goose neck…it appears it was sheared off somehow. We do have an alluminum mast that could possibly be sleeved into what is left of the carbon-fiber mast…but we haven’t really explored this option and we really don’t know if this is at all feasable. Does anyone know the specs for the original mast so we can determine if what we have will work…or better yet does anyone know of an inexpensive alternative to buying a new carbon fiber mast?We haven’t had it long, but at this point we can also tell it’s missing the spin pole and
gun mount, the spinnaker and associated rigging, and all other rigging too.We look forward to exchanging information via this forum and appreciate those who contribute to it. We would really like any information on used parts, sources for the same, and Freedom 21 restoration nuances.Keith and ThomasLaissez les bons temps rouler
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Posted by Nick Marino (blueraven1@…>)

Freedom 21 HINs Numbers are found on the upper right corner of
transom)
EXAMPLE my HIN: TSP21295M84J
TSP STANDS FOR TILLOTSON-PEARSON
21295 STANDS FOR F-21, HULL NUMBER 295
M STANDS FOR MARCH
84 STANDS FOR 1984)
J STANDS FOR THE MODEL YEAR

Looks like you are missing a number. If yours was built in 1984 I
would think it was in the 200s. So look at the Hin on the boat to
get the correct number.

Nick

— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “keithmaryq” <keithmaryq@…> wrote:

My son recently acquired a Freedom 21 that apparently hasn’t been
sailed for a while. We have zero experience with keel boats (I
sail
a Flying Scot) and are going to learn on this one…if we can get
it
sea worthy without breaking the bank.

Actually, the hull seems to be in pretty good shape. We found some
old registration cards in the cabin that indicate it used to belong
to someone living in Georgia…the cards say the hull ID is
TSP2125M84H. Based on this, can anyone tell us when it was built,
and the hull number?

Although it needs plenty of work, our biggest concern is the lack
of
a mast. We have the bottom portion of the mast up to just above
the
goose neck…it appears it was sheared off somehow. We do have an
alluminum mast that could possibly be sleeved into what is left of
the carbon-fiber mast…but we haven’t really explored this option
and we really don’t know if this is at all feasable. Does anyone
know the specs for the original mast so we can determine if what we
have will work…or better yet does anyone know of an inexpensive
alternative to buying a new carbon fiber mast?

We haven’t had it long, but at this point we can also tell it’s
missing the spin pole and gun mount, the spinnaker and associated
rigging, and all other rigging too.

We look forward to exchanging information via this forum and
appreciate those who contribute to it. We would really like any
information on used parts, sources for the same, and Freedom 21
restoration nuances.

Keith and Thomas

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Posted by julius christensen (biff_sail@…>)
Keith. you have a lot of work ahead of you. I don’t know of anybody that has retrofitted an aluminum mast for the Freedom 21. Having a new carbon mast made would cost over 3,ooo bucks. I have seen other boats with a variety of masts .You might even be able to fit a flying scot or a Hobie 18 mast. Of coarse you would then need shrouds and possibly a backstay.Hopefully someone in our group could help. Help!!! Biffkeithmaryq <keithmaryq@…> wrote: My son recently acquired a Freedom 21 that apparently hasn’t been sailed for a while. We have zero experience with keel boats (I sail a Flying Scot) and are going to learn on this one…if we can get it sea worthy without breaking the bank.Actually, the hull seems to be in pretty good shape. We found some old registration cards in the cabin that indicate it used to belong to someone living in Georgia…the cards say the hull ID is TSP2125M84H. Based on this, can anyone tell us when it was built, and the hull number?Although it needs plenty of work, our biggest concern is the lack of a mast. We have the bottom portion of the mast up to just above the goose neck…it appears it was sheared off somehow. We do have an alluminum mast that could possibly be sleeved into what is left of the carbon-fiber mast…but we haven’t really explored this option
and we really don’t know if this is at all feasable. Does anyone know the specs for the original mast so we can determine if what we have will work…or better yet does anyone know of an inexpensive alternative to buying a new carbon fiber mast?We haven’t had it long, but at this point we can also tell it’s missing the spin pole and gun mount, the spinnaker and associated rigging, and all other rigging too.We look forward to exchanging information via this forum and appreciate those who contribute to it. We would really like any information on used parts, sources for the same, and Freedom 21 restoration nuances.Keith and Thomas

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Posted by Wilfred Bishop (wilf.bishop@…>)

Hi Guys,

I have a write-up of my UK built F21’s aluminium (aluminum to you guys) mast on our site - pls take a look. I have determined that this is a standard French spin-tapered flagpole and I have contacted the UK representatives for this company to ask how one might get such an extrusion in the USA - hopefully they will be getting back to me? First think though take a look at my article on our site.

Cheers,

Wilf Bishop

----- Original Message -----
From: julius christensen
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [freedom21] New Freedom 21 Owner



Keith.
you have a lot of work ahead of you. I don’t know of anybody that has retrofitted an aluminum mast for the Freedom 21. Having a new carbon mast made would cost over 3,ooo bucks. I have seen other boats with a variety of masts .You might even be able to fit a flying scot or a Hobie 18 mast. Of coarse you would then need shrouds and possibly a backstay.Hopefully someone in our group could help. Help!!!
Biffkeithmaryq <keithmaryq@yahoo.com> wrote:


My son recently acquired a Freedom 21 that apparently hasn’t been sailed for a while. We have zero experience with keel boats (I sail a Flying Scot) and are going to learn on this one…if we can get it sea worthy without breaking the bank.Actually, the hull seems to be in pretty good shape. We found some old registration cards in the cabin that indicate it used to belong to someone living in Georgia…the cards say the hull ID is TSP2125M84H. Based on this, can anyone tell us when it was built, and the hull number?Although it needs plenty of work, our biggest concern is the lack of a mast. We have the bottom portion of the mast up to just above the goose neck…it appears it was sheared off somehow. We do have an alluminum mast that could possibly be sleeved into what is left of the carbon-fiber mast…but we haven’t really explored this option and we really don’t know if this is at all feasable. Does anyone know the specs for the original mast so we can determine if what we have will work…or better yet does anyone know of an inexpensive alternative to buying a new carbon fiber mast?We haven’t had it long, but at this point we can also tell it’s missing the spin pole and gun mount, the spinnaker and associated rigging, and all other rigging too.We look forward to exchanging information via this forum and appreciate those who contribute to it. We would really like any information on used parts, sources for the same, and Freedom 21 restoration nuances.Keith and Thomas

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Posted by keithmaryq (keithmaryq@…>)

Wilf,

Thanks for the help…where on the site is the article you are
talking about?

Keith and Thomas


— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Wilfred Bishop” <wilf.bishop@…>
wrote:

Hi Guys,

I have a write-up of my UK built F21’s aluminium (aluminum to you
guys) mast on our site - pls take a look. I have determined that
this is a standard French spin-tapered flagpole and I have contacted
the UK representatives for this company to ask how one might get such
an extrusion in the USA - hopefully they will be getting back to me?
First think though take a look at my article on our site.

Cheers,

Wilf Bishop
----- Original Message -----
From: julius christensen
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [freedom21] New Freedom 21 Owner

Keith.
you have a lot of work ahead of you. I don’t know of anybody that
has retrofitted an aluminum mast for the Freedom 21. Having a new
carbon mast made would cost over 3,ooo bucks. I have seen other boats
with a variety of masts .You might even be able to fit a flying scot
or a Hobie 18 mast. Of coarse you would then need shrouds and
possibly a backstay.Hopefully someone in our group could help.
Help!!!
Biff

keithmaryq <keithmaryq@…> wrote:
My son recently acquired a Freedom 21 that apparently hasn’t
been
sailed for a while. We have zero experience with keel boats (I
sail
a Flying Scot) and are going to learn on this one…if we can
get it
sea worthy without breaking the bank.

Actually, the hull seems to be in pretty good shape. We found

some

old registration cards in the cabin that indicate it used to

belong

to someone living in Georgia...the cards say the hull ID is
TSP2125M84H. Based on this, can anyone tell us when it was

built,

and the hull number?

Although it needs plenty of work, our biggest concern is the

lack of

a mast. We have the bottom portion of the mast up to just above

the

goose neck...it appears it was sheared off somehow. We do have

an

alluminum mast that could possibly be sleeved into what is left

of

the carbon-fiber mast...but we haven't really explored this

option

and we really don't know if this is at all feasable. Does

anyone

know the specs for the original mast so we can determine if

what we

have will work...or better yet does anyone know of an

inexpensive

alternative to buying a new carbon fiber mast?

We haven't had it long, but at this point we can also tell it's
missing the spin pole and gun mount, the spinnaker and

associated

rigging, and all other rigging too.

We look forward to exchanging information via this forum and
appreciate those who contribute to it. We would really like any
information on used parts, sources for the same, and Freedom 21
restoration nuances.

Keith and Thomas
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Posted by Wilfred Bishop (wilf.bishop@…>)

Hi Guys,

Please go to http://freedom21.info This is the site set-up by Max Lent who hopefully is still running it althoug hI understand he has now sold his F21? Thanks again to Max for collecting & displaying all this F21 info.

Regards,

Wilf Bishop F21 DAYDREAM

----- Original Message -----
From: keithmaryq
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:27 AM
Subject: [freedom21] Re: New Freedom 21 Owner


Wilf,Thanks for the help…where on the site is the article you are talking about?Keith and Thomas— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Wilfred Bishop” <wilf.bishop@…> wrote:>> Hi Guys,> > I have a write-up of my UK built F21’s aluminium (aluminum to you guys) mast on our site - pls take a look. I have determined that this is a standard French spin-tapered flagpole and I have contacted the UK representatives for this company to ask how one might get such an extrusion in the USA - hopefully they will be getting back to me? First think though take a look at my article on our site.> > Cheers,> > Wilf Bishop> ----- Original Message ----- > From: julius christensen > To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:03 PM> Subject: Re: [freedom21] New Freedom 21 Owner> > > > Keith.> you have a lot of work ahead of you. I don’t know of anybody that has retrofitted an aluminum mast for the Freedom 21. Having a new carbon mast made would cost over 3,ooo bucks. I have seen other boats with a variety of masts .You might even be able to fit a flying scot or a Hobie 18 mast. Of coarse you would then need shrouds and possibly a backstay.Hopefully someone in our group could help. Help!!!> Biff> > keithmaryq <keithmaryq@…> wrote:> My son recently acquired a Freedom 21 that apparently hasn’t been > sailed for a while. We have zero experience with keel boats (I sail > a Flying Scot) and are going to learn on this one…if we can get it > sea worthy without breaking the bank.> > Actually, the hull seems to be in pretty good shape. We found some > old registration cards in the cabin that indicate it used to belong > to someone living in Georgia…the cards say the hull ID is > TSP2125M84H. Based on this, can anyone tell us when it was built, > and the hull number?> > Although it needs plenty of work, our biggest concern is the lack of > a mast. We have the bottom portion of the mast up to just above the > goose neck…it appears it was sheared off somehow. We do have an > alluminum mast that could possibly be sleeved into what is left of > the carbon-fiber mast…but we haven’t really explored this option > and we really don’t know if this is at all feasable. Does anyone > know the specs for the original mast so we can determine if what we > have will work…or better yet does anyone know of an inexpensive > alternative to buying a new carbon fiber mast?> > We haven’t had it long, but at this point we can also tell it’s > missing the spin pole and gun mount, the spinnaker and associated > rigging, and all other rigging too.> > We look forward to exchanging information via this forum and > appreciate those who contribute to it. We would really like any > information on used parts, sources for the same, and Freedom 21 > restoration nuances.> > Keith and Thomas>

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Posted by keithmaryq (keithmaryq@…>)

Wilf…found it…thanks for the details…

— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Wilfred Bishop” <wilf.bishop@…>
wrote:

Hi Guys,

Please go to http://freedom21.info This is the site set-up by Max
Lent who hopefully is still running it althoug hI understand he has
now sold his F21? Thanks again to Max for collecting & displaying
all this F21 info.

Regards,

Wilf Bishop F21 DAYDREAM
----- Original Message -----
From: keithmaryq
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:27 AM
Subject: [freedom21] Re: New Freedom 21 Owner

Wilf,

Thanks for the help…where on the site is the article you are
talking about?

Keith and Thomas

— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Wilfred Bishop” <wilf.bishop@>
wrote:

Hi Guys,

I have a write-up of my UK built F21’s aluminium (aluminum to
you
guys) mast on our site - pls take a look. I have determined that
this is a standard French spin-tapered flagpole and I have
contacted
the UK representatives for this company to ask how one might get
such
an extrusion in the USA - hopefully they will be getting back to
me?
First think though take a look at my article on our site.

Cheers,

Wilf Bishop
----- Original Message -----
From: julius christensen
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [freedom21] New Freedom 21 Owner

Keith.
you have a lot of work ahead of you. I don’t know of anybody
that
has retrofitted an aluminum mast for the Freedom 21. Having a new
carbon mast made would cost over 3,ooo bucks. I have seen other
boats
with a variety of masts .You might even be able to fit a flying
scot
or a Hobie 18 mast. Of coarse you would then need shrouds and
possibly a backstay.Hopefully someone in our group could help.
Help!!!
Biff

keithmaryq <keithmaryq@> wrote:
My son recently acquired a Freedom 21 that apparently hasn’t
been
sailed for a while. We have zero experience with keel boats (I
sail
a Flying Scot) and are going to learn on this one…if we can
get it
sea worthy without breaking the bank.

Actually, the hull seems to be in pretty good shape. We found
some
old registration cards in the cabin that indicate it used to
belong
to someone living in Georgia…the cards say the hull ID is
TSP2125M84H. Based on this, can anyone tell us when it was
built,
and the hull number?

Although it needs plenty of work, our biggest concern is the
lack of
a mast. We have the bottom portion of the mast up to just above
the
goose neck…it appears it was sheared off somehow. We do have
an
alluminum mast that could possibly be sleeved into what is left
of
the carbon-fiber mast…but we haven’t really explored this
option
and we really don’t know if this is at all feasable. Does
anyone
know the specs for the original mast so we can determine if
what we
have will work…or better yet does anyone know of an
inexpensive
alternative to buying a new carbon fiber mast?

We haven’t had it long, but at this point we can also tell it’s
missing the spin pole and gun mount, the spinnaker and
associated
rigging, and all other rigging too.

We look forward to exchanging information via this forum and
appreciate those who contribute to it. We would really like any
information on used parts, sources for the same, and Freedom 21
restoration nuances.

Keith and Thomas

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Posted by Max Lent (maxlent@…>)

Hi Keith,

I’m still here and I am still maintaining this forum and the Freedom
21 Web site at http://www.freedom21.info. Although I did sell my
boat, I am still a big fan of Freedom 21s.

The reason that I sold my Freedom 21 was that the vehicle that I used
to tow the boat was totaled in an accident. No one was hurt, but I
lost my towing vehicle. I couldn’t afford docking fees or belonging
to a yacht club, so I was stuck with a boat that I had refurbised,
but could take anywhere.

I still read every message and I am particularly interested in
hearing about members who sail their boats long distances such as our
friend who plans to sail his boat to Hawaii.

A request just came in to have another Freedom 21 added to the map on
the Freedom 21 site. I will update the map in a few minutes.

The Freedom.info site costs me money to maintain which is offset by
visitors clicking on Adsense advertisements and by visiters
purchasing products through the West Marine link and the Max’s
sailing store link. As long as visitors click on the ads and buy
products through the site, I will maintain it. That seems like a
small price to pay to have the site online available for publishing
new content like Wilfred’s wonderful articles.

Sincerely,

Max
http://www.maxlent.com

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