Posted by b.bryant41 (wcbryantjr@…>)
I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful
sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon,
has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports.
I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white
plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.
Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and
needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any
advice will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill
Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)
Bill,
I just completed installation of the new head liners on my f 36 1989. With the
help of my wife we were able to unscrew all the teak supports teak hatch trim,
lighting and the grip rail.
The material is adhered to 1/8" luan panels. Removing it out of the boat
required a lot of bending. Be carefull not to over bend and crack the panel.
We were lucky.
I removed the material from the panels, cleaned the yellow dried out foam with
coarse sandpaper from the panels and took it to a automobile seat/headliner
place here in manhattan. With the 3 large panels and a few small ones it cost me
600 dollars.
They first glued a 1/8 " thick foam to the panels then the white headliner to
it.
Our boat look like new.
Anthony
F 36/38
3 mile harbor
-----Original Message-----
From: “b.bryant41” <wcbryantjr@…>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:10
To:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful
sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon,
has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports.
I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white
plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.
Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and
needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any
advice will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill
Posted by george huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
For headliner we are considering FRP panels. The waterheater we bought is all stainless from Force 10. George"b.bryant41" <wcbryantjr@…> wrote: I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon, has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports. I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting. Secondly, my hot water tank
under the galley sink, is leaking badly and needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks, Bill
Posted by William Bryant (wcbryantjr@…>)
Anthony,
Many thanks for your advice. I had hoped that there were removable panels behind the fabric, that I could remove and either glue on new material, or use as a pattern and cut out new white flexible panels (I may choose this method as maintenance free and durable).
Most appreciative,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
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To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
Bill, I just completed installation of the new head liners on my f 36 1989. With the help of my wife we were able to unscrew all the teak supports teak hatch trim, lighting and the grip rail. The material is adhered to 1/8" luan panels. Removing it out of the boat required a lot of bending. Be carefull not to over bend and crack the panel.We were lucky. I removed the material from the panels, cleaned the yellow dried out foam with coarse sandpaper from the panels and took it to a automobile seat/headliner place here in manhattan. With the 3 large panels and a few small ones it cost me 600 dollars. They first glued a 1/8 " thick foam to the panels then the white headliner to it. Our boat look like new. Anthony F 36/38 3 mile harbor-----Original Message-----From: “b.bryant41” <wcbryantjr@…>Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:10 To:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tankI own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon, has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports. I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting. Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks, Bill ------------------------------------Yahoo! Groups Links<> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOwnersGroup/<> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOwnersGroup/join (Yahoo! ID required)<> To change settings via email: mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FreedomOwnersGroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Posted by William Bryant (wcbryantjr@…>)
Thanks George,
I will look into the FRP panel. I assume you will use the removeable panels that the old fabric was glued to and use them as guides to cut the new FRP panels? I will also look into finding the same size water heater (very tight space) from Force 10.
----- Original Message -----
From: george huffman
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
For headliner we are considering FRP panels. The waterheater we bought is all stainless from Force 10. George"b.bryant41" <wcbryantjr@msn.com> wrote:
I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon, has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports. I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks,Bill
Posted by george huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Yes William,I haven’t pulled them down yet but from what I can see of the ones that are falling down in the aft cabin I’m thinking they are eminently removable to use as patterns. The new FRP panels are around $30 at Home Despot and look like they will serve well. They have a smooth side and a textured side… not sure which I’d like best so I’ll leave that to our interior designer (Kerri). I’ve had to remove a lot of trim in replacing the old vinyl wall covering with teak plywood and figure why stop half way? GeorgeWilliam Bryant <wcbryantjr@…> wrote: Thanks George, I will look into the FRP panel. I assume you will use the removeable panels that the old fabric was glued to and use them as guides to cut the new FRP panels? I will also look into finding the same size water heater (very tight space) from Force 10. ----- Original Message ----- From: george huffman To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank For headliner we are considering FRP panels. The waterheater we bought is all stainless from Force 10. George"b.bryant41" <wcbryantjr@msn.com> wrote: I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon, has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports. I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is
leaking badly and needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks,Bill
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
I did all headliners last year. I used 3 and 4 mm foamed pvc sheets.
Excellent stuff to work with, fire retardent and it has a fine matte
finish and is easily cleaned because it does not have the creases of
the foam headliner. I used the old headliners as template, stapled
the new sheets in place to hold them temporarily, screwed back the
teak battens and then removed the protective film from the sheets. if
you like, have a look at www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen/ to see
how it all went.
good luck,
michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “b.bryant41”
<wcbryantjr@…> wrote:
I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful
sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the
salon,
has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak
supports.
I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white
plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.
Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly
and
needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange.
Any
advice will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill
Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)
I would go a head and remove all the
panels now. It will be a dirty job! All the aged form stuff will flake off
and get all over the place. It will take time to remove the trim and remove
the panels (keep for patterns), and then the clean-up including wiping down the
overhead… I have all mine down and out of the boat and sitting in the garage.
Second added benefit you can inspect all the holes leading topside for leaks,
some will be obvious by the stains some not so obvious. I did find a couple
that needed drilling out and laid in some epoxy to seal the sides. Also a good
time to reseat all the components on the cabin top. I am not in a hurry to get
the new overhead in as I am slowly redoing all the components. A good rain
storm proofs to be a good tool! I am also going to add a thin foil coated
insulation between the cabin top and the headline.
Bob
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of george huffman
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:38
PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Overhead liner and hot water tank
Yes
William,
I haven’t pulled them down yet but from what I can see of the ones that are
falling down in the aft cabin I’m thinking they are eminently removable to use
as patterns. The new FRP panels are around $30 at Home Despot and look
like they will serve well. They have a smooth side and a textured side…
not sure which I’d like best so I’ll leave that to our interior designer
(Kerri). I’ve had to remove a lot of trim in replacing the old vinyl wall
covering with teak plywood and figure why stop half way?
George
William Bryant
<wcbryantjr@msn.com> wrote:
Thanks George,
\
I will look into the FRP panel. I assume you will use the
removeable panels that the old fabric was glued to and use them as guides to
cut the new FRP panels? I will also look into finding the same size water
heater (very tight space) from Force 10.
\
----- Original Message -----
From: george
huffman
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20,
2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re:
[FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
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For headliner we are considering FRP panels. The waterheater we
bought is all stainless from Force 10.
George
“b.bryant41”
<wcbryantjr@msn.com>
wrote:
I own a Freedom 38, built
1989, that after many years of wonderful
sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon,
has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports.
I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white
plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.
Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and
needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any
advice will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill
\
\
\
Posted by William Bryant (wcbryantjr@…>)
Thanks Bob,
Good to know that there are panels which the fabric is glued to that can be used for patterns when redoing the new headliner.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Weeks
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
I would go a head and remove all the panels now. It will be a dirty job! All the aged form stuff will flake off and get all over the place. It will take time to remove the trim and remove the panels (keep for patterns), and then the clean-up including wiping down the overhead… I have all mine down and out of the boat and sitting in the garage. Second added benefit you can inspect all the holes leading topside for leaks, some will be obvious by the stains some not so obvious. I did find a couple that needed drilling out and laid in some epoxy to seal the sides. Also a good time to reseat all the components on the cabin top. I am not in a hurry to get the new overhead in as I am slowly redoing all the components. A good rain storm proofs to be a good tool! I am also going to add a thin foil coated insulation between the cabin top and the headline.
Bob
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of george huffmanSent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:38 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
Yes William,I haven’t pulled them down yet but from what I can see of the ones that are falling down in the aft cabin I’m thinking they are eminently removable to use as patterns. The new FRP panels are around $30 at Home Despot and look like they will serve well. They have a smooth side and a textured side… not sure which I’d like best so I’ll leave that to our interior designer (Kerri). I’ve had to remove a lot of trim in replacing the old vinyl wall covering with teak plywood and figure why stop half way? GeorgeWilliam Bryant <wcbryantjr@msn.com> wrote:
Thanks George,
I will look into the FRP panel. I assume you will use the removeable panels that the old fabric was glued to and use them as guides to cut the new FRP panels? I will also look into finding the same size water heater (very tight space) from Force 10.
----- Original Message -----
From: george huffman
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
For headliner we are considering FRP panels. The waterheater we bought is all stainless from Force 10. George"b.bryant41" <wcbryantjr@msn.com> wrote:
I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon, has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports. I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks,Bill
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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
If you an remove the panels with the plywood intact, you can buy
headliner cloth in mnay colors with the thin foam already bonded to
it. The rest consists of removing the old foam/glue from the plywood,
and using spray contact adhesive to put the new covering in place. Herm
At 03:24 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:
Anthony,
Many thanks for your advice. I had hoped that there were removable
panels behind the fabric, that I could remove and either glue on new
material, or use as a pattern and cut out new white flexible panels
(I may choose this method as maintenance free and durable).
Most appreciative,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
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To:
<mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
Bill,
I just completed installation of the new head liners on my f 36
1989. With the help of my wife we were able to unscrew all the teak
supports teak hatch trim, lighting and the grip rail.
The material is adhered to 1/8" luan panels. Removing it out of
the boat required a lot of bending. Be carefull not to over bend
and crack the panel.
We were lucky.
I removed the material from the panels, cleaned the yellow dried
out foam with coarse sandpaper from the panels and took it to a
automobile seat/headliner place here in manhattan. With the 3 large
panels and a few small ones it cost me 600 dollars.
They first glued a 1/8 " thick foam to the panels then the white
headliner to it.
Our boat look like new.
Anthony
F 36/38
3 mile harbor
-----Original Message-----
From: “b.bryant41” <mailto:wcbryantjr@...wcbryantjr@…>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:10
To:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful
sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon,
has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports.
I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white
plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.
Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and
needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any
advice will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill
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Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
If you an remove the panels with the plywood intact, you can buy headliner cloth in mnay colors with the thin foam already bonded to it. The rest consists of removing the old foam/glue from the plywood, and using spray contact adhesive to put the new covering in place. HermAt 03:24 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:>Anthony,>Many thanks for your advice. I had hoped that there were removable >panels behind the fabric, that I could remove and either glue on new >material, or use as a pattern and cut out new white flexible panels >(I may choose this method as maintenance free and durable).>>Most appreciative,>Bill>----- Original Message ----->From: <mailto:amarsib@aol.com>amarsib@aol.com>To: ><mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:30 PM>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank>>Bill,> I just completed installation of the new head liners on my f 36 > 1989. With the help of my wife we were able to unscrew all the teak > supports teak hatch trim, lighting and the grip rail.> The material is adhered to 1/8" luan panels. Removing it out of > the boat required a lot of bending. Be carefull not to over bend > and crack the panel.>We were lucky.> I removed the material from the panels, cleaned the yellow dried > out foam with coarse sandpaper from the panels and took it to a > automobile seat/headliner place here in manhattan. With the 3 large > panels and a few small ones it cost me 600 dollars.> They first glued a 1/8 " thick foam to the panels then the white > headliner to it.> Our boat look like new.>> Anthony> F 36/38> 3 mile harbor>-----Original Message----->From: “b.bryant41” <<mailto:wcbryantjr@msn.com>wcbryantjr@msn.com>>>Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:10>To:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank>>>I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful> sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon,> has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports.> I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white> plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.> Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and> needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any> advice will be much appreciated.>> Thanks,> Bill>>>------------------------------------>>Yahoo! Groups Links>><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOwnersGroup/>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOwnersGroup/>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOwnersGroup/joinhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOwnersGroup/join> (Yahoo! ID required)>><mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup-digest@yahoogroups.com>mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup-digest@yahoogroups.com >> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com>><mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>>
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Michel,
where did you buy your panels? I need to do a job like this in Glory
too, but have no idea where I’d find these sheets in US. Are they
flexible enough to get down the companionway?
Thanks,
Lance
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@…> wrote:
I did all headliners last year. I used 3 and 4 mm foamed pvc sheets.
Excellent stuff to work with, fire retardent and it has a fine matte
finish and is easily cleaned because it does not have the creases of
the foam headliner. I used the old headliners as template, stapled
the new sheets in place to hold them temporarily, screwed back the
teak battens and then removed the protective film from the sheets. if
you like, have a look at www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen/ to see
how it all went.
good luck,
michel
Posted by Ian Goodwin (igood0ne@…>)
Michel,
I just looked at your pictures of the Alabama Queen. Fabulous work.
Ian
----- Original Message ----From: michel.capel <michel.capel@…>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:59:30 AMSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Overhead liner and hot water tank
I did all headliners last year. I used 3 and 4 mm foamed pvc sheets. Excellent stuff to work with, fire retardent and it has a fine matte finish and is easily cleaned because it does not have the creases of the foam headliner. I used the old headliners as template, stapled the new sheets in place to hold them temporarily, screwed back the teak battens and then removed the protective film from the sheets. if you like, have a look at www.flickr.com/ photos/alabama_ queen/ to see how it all went. good luck,michel— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “b.bryant41” <wcbryantjr@ …> wrote:>> I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful > sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon,
has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports. > I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white > plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.> Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and > needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any > advice will be much appreciated. > > Thanks,> Bill>
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Lance,
Sheet PVC is used in the printing industry to print the huge
billboard posters. Hence the blue protective plastic leaf on one
side to keep the printing side free of grease. Try a printshop
supplier or supplier of perspex and other plastic sheet material.
The technical name is foamed PVC (there are many brandnames) but it
doesn’t look like foam on the outside. If you cut it you can see
tiny bubbles with a magnifying glass. Its also very thermoplastic;
you can mold it with boiling water and it gets hard in a few seconds
again. I made a sleeve to line my heater’s chimney through deck on
the inside.
Here in the NL’s it’s sold in sheets of 3 m x 2 m with thicknesses
of 1, 2, 3, 4, ,5 ,6, 7, etc. millimeters. I have used 3, 4 and 5
mm becaúse the supplier didn’t have enough sheets in 4 mm. If I did
it again, I would use 4 mm all over. 5 mm becomes hard to bend, and
3 mm is a little too flexible for the larger panels so it does not
sit tensioned enough along the bulkheads.
cleaning is a dream compared to the foam with creases. Just a cloth
with some windowcleaner.
Good luck,
michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@…> wrote:
Michel,
where did you buy your panels? I need to do a job like this in
Glory
too, but have no idea where I’d find these sheets in US. Are they
flexible enough to get down the companionway?
Thanks,
Lance
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@> wrote:
I did all headliners last year. I used 3 and 4 mm foamed pvc
sheets.
Excellent stuff to work with, fire retardent and it has a fine
matte
finish and is easily cleaned because it does not have the
creases of
the foam headliner. I used the old headliners as template,
stapled
the new sheets in place to hold them temporarily, screwed back
the
teak battens and then removed the protective film from the
sheets. if
you like, have a look at www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen/ to
see
how it all went.
good luck,
michel
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Ian, thanks.
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Ian Goodwin
<igood0ne@…> wrote:
Michel,
I just looked at your pictures of the Alabama Queen. Fabulous
work.
Ian
----- Original Message ----
From: michel.capel <michel.capel@…>
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:59:30 AM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Overhead liner and hot water tank
I did all headliners last year. I used 3 and 4 mm foamed pvc
sheets.
Excellent stuff to work with, fire retardent and it has a fine
matte
finish and is easily cleaned because it does not have the creases
of
the foam headliner. I used the old headliners as template, stapled
the new sheets in place to hold them temporarily, screwed back the
teak battens and then removed the protective film from the sheets.
if
you like, have a look at www.flickr.com/ photos/alabama_ queen/ to
see
how it all went.
good luck,
michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “b.bryant41”
<wcbryantjr@ …> wrote:
I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of
wonderful
sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the
salon,
has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak
supports.
I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or
white
plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.
Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking
badly
and
needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a
challange.
Any
advice will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill
Posted by george huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Excellent idea concerning the foil liner Bob. I’m going through all of this too and also with the portlight installation. I’m hodling off posting pictures till I can show the completed work but it’s going to be dramatic to say the least. 
GeorgeBob Weeks <rweeks6508@…> wrote: I would go a head and remove all the panels
now. It will be a dirty job! All the aged form stuff will flake off and get all over the place. It will take time to remove the trim and remove the panels (keep for patterns), and then the clean-up including wiping down the overhead… I have all mine down and out of the boat and sitting in the garage. Second added benefit you can inspect all the holes leading topside for leaks, some will be obvious by the stains some not so obvious. I did find a couple that needed drilling out and laid in some epoxy to seal the sides. Also a good time to reseat all the components on the cabin top. I am not in a hurry to get the new overhead in as I am slowly redoing all the components. A good rain storm proofs to be a good tool! I am also going to add a thin foil coated insulation between the cabin top and the headline. Bob From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of george huffman Sent: Tuesday, May
20, 2008 3:38 PM To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank Yes William, I haven’t pulled them down yet but from what I can see of the ones that are falling down in the aft cabin I’m thinking they are eminently removable to use as patterns. The new FRP panels are around $30 at Home Despot and look like they will serve well. They have a smooth side and a textured side… not sure which I’d like best so I’ll leave that to our interior designer (Kerri). I’ve had to remove a lot of trim in replacing the old vinyl wall covering with teak plywood and figure why stop half way? George William Bryant <wcbryantjr@msn.com> wrote: Thanks George, I will look into the FRP panel. I assume you will use the removeable panels that the old fabric was glued to and use them as guides to cut
the new FRP panels? I will also look into finding the same size water heater (very tight space) from Force 10. ----- Original Message ----- From: george huffman
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank For headliner we are considering FRP panels. The waterheater we bought is all stainless from Force 10. George “b.bryant41” <wcbryantjr@msn.com> wrote: I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon, has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports. I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting. Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks, Bill
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Consider using a foil-bubble-foil product named TEKFOIL if there’s
enough room above the liner. Herm
At 12:39 PM 5/24/2008, you wrote:
Excellent idea concerning the foil liner Bob. I’m going through all
of this too and also with the portlight installation. I’m hodling
off posting pictures till I can show the completed work but it’s
going to be dramatic to say the least.
George
Bob Weeks <rweeks6508@…> wrote:
I would go a head and remove all the panels now. It will be a dirty
job! All the aged form stuff will flake off and get all over the
place. It will take time to remove the trim and remove the panels
(keep for patterns), and then the clean-up including wiping down the
overhead… I have all mine down and out of the boat and sitting in
the garage. Second added benefit you can inspect all the holes
leading topside for leaks, some will be obvious by the stains some
not so obvious. I did find a couple that needed drilling out and
laid in some epoxy to seal the sides. Also a good time to reseat all
the components on the cabin top. I am not in a hurry to get the new
overhead in as I am slowly redoing all the components. A good rain
storm proofs to be a good tool! I am also going to add a thin foil
coated insulation between the cabin top and the headline.
Bob
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of george huffman
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:38 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
Yes William,
I haven’t pulled them down yet but from what I can see of the ones
that are falling down in the aft cabin I’m thinking they are
eminently removable to use as patterns. The new FRP panels are
around $30 at Home Despot and look like they will serve well. They
have a smooth side and a textured side… not sure which I’d like
best so I’ll leave that to our interior designer (Kerri). I’ve had
to remove a lot of trim in replacing the old vinyl wall covering
with teak plywood and figure why stop half way?
George
William Bryant <wcbryantjr@…> wrote:
Thanks George,
I will look into the FRP panel. I assume you will use the
removeable panels that the old fabric was glued to and use them as
guides to cut the new FRP panels? I will also look into finding the
same size water heater (very tight space) from Force 10.
----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:thatboatguy2@...george huffman
To:
<mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Overhead liner and hot water tank
For headliner we are considering FRP panels. The waterheater we
bought is all stainless from Force 10.
George
“b.bryant41” <mailto:wcbryantjr@...wcbryantjr@…> wrote:
I own a Freedom 38, built 1989, that after many years of wonderful
sailing, has two repair problems. First, the headliner in the salon,
has started to detach and is pulling out from under the teak supports.
I am prepared to remove and replace with similar material or white
plastic panels, but I could use some advice before starting.
Secondly, my hot water tank under the galley sink, is leaking badly and
needs repair or replacement. Just removing it will be a challange. Any
advice will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill