Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Posted by akusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts (with the
spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s or
others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine painted
but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop cracks
given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of glass
is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind of
original paint was used or how long it held up.
Thanks
Alan

Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
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Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts (with the
spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s or
others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine painted
but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop cracks
given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of glass
is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind of
original paint was used or how long it held up.
Thanks
Alan

Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted by akusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

What model freedom and year?

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts (with
the
spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s or
others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine
painted
but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop
cracks
given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of
glass
is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind of
original paint was used or how long it held up.
Thanks
Alan

Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted by Manrique Feoli (manrique.feoli@…>)

I heared from someone in this forum who painted the masts and the paint got many tiny horizontal cracks after a few months, mainly from mast bending, haven´t you had this?

-----Original Message-----From: Jerome Weinraub [mailto:zayde@…]Sent: martes, 12 de octubre de 2004 18:07To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG----- Original Message ----- From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@…>To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AMSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?> > > Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts (with the > spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s or > others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine painted > but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop cracks > given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of glass > is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind of > original paint was used or how long it held up.> Thanks> Alan> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > > > > >

Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

F33 1982
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

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What model freedom and year?

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts (with
the
spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s or
others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine
painted
but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop
cracks
given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of
glass
is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind of
original paint was used or how long it held up.
Thanks
Alan

Yahoo! Groups Links

Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

The horizontal fissures are pre-painting. No problem with the paint

----- Original Message -----
From: Manrique Feoli
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

I heared from someone in this forum who painted the masts and the paint got many tiny horizontal cracks after a few months, mainly from mast bending, haven´t you had this?

-----Original Message-----From: Jerome Weinraub [mailto:zayde@…]Sent: martes, 12 de octubre de 2004 18:07To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG----- Original Message ----- From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@…>To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AMSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?> > > Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts (with the > spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s or > others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine painted > but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop cracks > given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of glass > is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind of > original paint was used or how long it held up.> Thanks> Alan> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > > > > >

Posted by CMarshall (cmars@…>)

I awl gripped my black 1983 F32 mast the color white. So far
no problem. As recommended first a few coats of grey primer,
then a few white. I didn’t like how hot the mast got when black.
I’m torn about the dark blue boot strip around the cabin sides
for the same reason. The heat can’t be good for the material,
but it is part of the look.
Charles

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

The horizontal fissures are pre-painting. No problem with the paint
----- Original Message -----
From: Manrique Feoli
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

I heared from someone in this forum who painted the masts and the
paint got many tiny horizontal cracks after a few months, mainly
from mast bending, haven´t you had this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Weinraub [mailto:zayde@o...]
Sent: martes, 12 de octubre de 2004 18:07
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber

Masts?

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
----- Original Message -----
From: "akusinitz" <akusinitz@y...>
To: <<freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?


>
>
> Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts

(with the

> spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s

or

> others of the early 80s vintage? I'm considering having mine

painted

> but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop

cracks

> given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of

glass

> is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind

of

> original paint was used or how long it held up.
> Thanks
> Alan
>

Posted by akusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Did you have any cracking in the original paint or was it still
smooth when you painted it? How long ago did you paint it and with
what specific paint and primer/fillers?
Thanks
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “CMarshall” <cmars@a…>
wrote:

I awl gripped my black 1983 F32 mast the color white. So far
no problem. As recommended first a few coats of grey primer,
then a few white. I didn’t like how hot the mast got when black.
I’m torn about the dark blue boot strip around the cabin sides
for the same reason. The heat can’t be good for the material,
but it is part of the look.
Charles

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

The horizontal fissures are pre-painting. No problem with the
paint
----- Original Message -----
From: Manrique Feoli
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber
Masts?

I heared from someone in this forum who painted the masts and
the
paint got many tiny horizontal cracks after a few months, mainly
from mast bending, haven´t you had this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Weinraub [mailto:zayde@o...]
Sent: martes, 12 de octubre de 2004 18:07
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber

Masts?

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
----- Original Message -----
From: "akusinitz" <akusinitz@y...>
To: <<freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?


>
>
> Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts

(with the

> spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or

39s

or

> others of the early 80s vintage? I'm considering having

mine

painted

> but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or

develop

cracks

> given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer

of

glass

> is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what

kind

of

> original paint was used or how long it held up.
> Thanks
> Alan
>

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

All of this talk of repainting masts has got me feeling guilty. My 1987 F-30’s mast is showing signs of age (paint-wise), but I have no desire to pull it. Has anyone ever painted a mast in place? If so, how?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman

-----Original Message-----From: akusinitz [mailto:akusinitz@…] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:48 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?Did you have any cracking in the original paint or was it still smooth when you painted it? How long ago did you paint it and with what specific paint and primer/fillers?ThanksAlan— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “CMarshall” <cmars@a…> wrote:> > I awl gripped my black 1983 F32 mast the color white. So far> no problem. As recommended first a few coats of grey primer,> then a few white. I didn’t like how hot the mast got when black.> I’m torn about the dark blue boot strip around the cabin sides> for the same reason. The heat can’t be good for the material,> but it is part of the look.> Charles> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub > <zayde@o…> wrote:> > The horizontal fissures are pre-painting. No problem with the paint> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Manrique Feoli > > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:36 PM> > Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?> > > > > > I heared from someone in this forum who painted the masts and the > paint got many tiny horizontal cracks after a few months, mainly > from mast bending, haven´t you had this?> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Jerome Weinraub [mailto:zayde@o…]> > Sent: martes, 12 de octubre de 2004 18:07> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber > Masts?> > > > > > Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>> > To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM> > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts > (with the > > > spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s > or > > > others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine > painted > > > but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop > cracks > > > given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of > glass > > > is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind > of > > > original paint was used or how long it held up.> > > Thanks> > > Alan> > >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

Posted by Doug Payne (doug.payne@…>)


Al:
Before you take the paint can to your
mast, try 3M Restorer Wax. I have a lot of discoloration and scratches on the
front of my mast from the end of the camber spar having banged on the front of
the mast (I am loosening the forestay to lessen this problem). I was waxing the
boom and I went after the first six feet of the mast. Incredible results. The product
has some light rubbing compound in it. It eliminated all the scratches and the
mast is brilliant white. Really sharp, and it looks like new. So in time up the
mast I go to do the whole thing.

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
480-614-4915 Office
480-236-4561 Mobile
480-614-4916 Fax
doug.payne@…
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
[mailto:ajlorman@…]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004
7:54 AM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

All of this talk of
repainting masts has got me feeling guilty. My 1987 F-30’s mast is showing
signs of age (paint-wise), but I have no desire to pull it. Has anyone
ever painted a mast in place? If so, how?

\



Many thanks.

\



Al Lorman

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-----Original
Message-----
From: akusinitz
[mailto:akusinitz@…]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004
10:48 AM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Did you have any cracking in the original paint or
was it still
smooth when you painted it? How long ago did you
paint it and with
what specific paint and primer/fillers?
Thanks
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“CMarshall” <cmars@a…>
wrote:

I awl gripped my black 1983 F32 mast the
color white. So far
no problem. As recommended first a few
coats of grey primer,
then a few white. I didn’t like how hot
the mast got when black.
I’m torn about the dark blue boot strip
around the cabin sides
for the same reason. The heat can’t be
good for the material,
but it is part of the look.
Charles

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

The horizontal fissures are
pre-painting. No problem with the
paint
----- Original Message -----

From: Manrique Feoli
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13,
2004 12:36 PM
Subject: RE:
[freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber
Masts?

I heared from someone in
this forum who painted the masts and
the
paint got many tiny horizontal cracks after a
few months, mainly
from mast bending, haven´t you had
this?

-----Original

Message-----

From: Jerome

Weinraub [mailto:zayde@o…]

Sent: martes, 12

de octubre de 2004 18:07

To:

freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re:

[freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber

Masts?

Mine were

repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG

----- Original

Message -----

From:

“akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>

To:

<freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday,

October 12, 2004 11:20 AM

Subject:

[freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

>
>
> Any

experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts

(with the

> spiral

external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or
39s

or

> others of

the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having
mine

painted

> but not

sure of what to use or if it would hold up or
develop

cracks

> given the

bend of the masts and the way the external layer
of

glass

> is done. My

masts are currently black but not sure what
kind

of

> original

paint was used or how long it held up.

> Thanks
> Alan
>





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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Great suggestion, Doug. I’ll give it a try.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: Doug Payne [mailto:doug.payne@…] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:54 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Al:
Before you take the paint can to your mast, try 3M Restorer Wax. I have a lot of discoloration and scratches on the front of my mast from the end of the camber spar having banged on the front of the mast (I am loosening the forestay to lessen this problem). I was waxing the boom and I went after the first six feet of the mast. Incredible results. The product has some light rubbing compound in it. It eliminated all the scratches and the mast is brilliant white. Really sharp, and it looks like new. So in time up the mast I go to do the whole thing.

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
480-614-4915 Office
480-236-4561 Mobile
480-614-4916 Fax
doug.payne@…
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-----Original Message-----From: Lorman, Alvin J. [mailto:ajlorman@…] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 7:54 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

All of this talk of repainting masts has got me feeling guilty. My 1987 F-30’s mast is showing signs of age (paint-wise), but I have no desire to pull it. Has anyone ever painted a mast in place? If so, how?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman

-----Original Message-----From: akusinitz [mailto:akusinitz@…] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:48 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?
Did you have any cracking in the original paint or was it still smooth when you painted it? How long ago did you paint it and with what specific paint and primer/fillers?ThanksAlan— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “CMarshall” <cmars@a…> wrote:> > I awl gripped my black 1983 F32 mast the color white. So far> no problem. As recommended first a few coats of grey primer,> then a few white. I didn’t like how hot the mast got when black.> I’m torn about the dark blue boot strip around the cabin sides> for the same reason. The heat can’t be good for the material,> but it is part of the look.> Charles> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub > <zayde@o…> wrote:> > The horizontal fissures are pre-painting. No problem with the paint> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Manrique Feoli > > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:36 PM> > Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?> > > > > > I heared from someone in this forum who painted the masts and the > paint got many tiny horizontal cracks after a few months, mainly > from mast bending, haven´t you had this?> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Jerome Weinraub [mailto:zayde@o…]> > Sent: martes, 12 de octubre de 2004 18:07> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber > Masts?> > > > > > Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>> > To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM> > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts > (with the > > > spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s > or > > > others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine > painted > > > but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop > cracks > > > given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of > glass > > > is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind > of > > > original paint was used or how long it held up.> > > Thanks> > > Alan> > >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

Posted by akusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Mine is an F33 1982 Hull 51. Pretty close to yours. Did yours have
the small horizontal cracking? Do you know what kind of filler they
used so this didn’t happen again?
Thanks
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

F33 1982
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

What model freedom and year?

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts
(with
the
spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s
or
others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine
painted
but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop
cracks
given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of
glass
is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind
of
original paint was used or how long it held up.
Thanks
Alan

Yahoo! Groups Links

Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

Horizontal cracks are in the gelcoat on the mast,not in the structure. If
you fill them ,unless the filler is flexible,they will re-crack upon flexure
during use. Also,polyurethane paint will not flex. My cracks were left
alone,and were painted over. After seven years of use,the masts still look
good. Painted white,they look good below decks,and above.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:38 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

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Mine is an F33 1982 Hull 51. Pretty close to yours. Did yours have
the small horizontal cracking? Do you know what kind of filler they
used so this didn’t happen again?
Thanks
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

F33 1982
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

What model freedom and year?

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts
(with
the
spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s
or
others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having mine
painted
but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or develop
cracks
given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer of
glass
is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what kind
of
original paint was used or how long it held up.
Thanks
Alan

Yahoo! Groups Links

Yahoo! Groups Links

Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted by akusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

So do I understand that you did use filler for the cracks but a
flexible one? And after the filler and awlgrip (I think they make a
flexible formula like for airplane wings) the filler and paint job
have held up? Or do you still see the cracks?
Do you recall the cost in 97? Or did you do it yourself?
Thanks for the help. I’m trying to decide whether its worth doing.
The yard that would do it won’t guarantee it so the risk is on me.
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Horizontal cracks are in the gelcoat on the mast,not in the
structure. If
you fill them ,unless the filler is flexible,they will re-crack
upon flexure
during use. Also,polyurethane paint will not flex. My cracks were
left
alone,and were painted over. After seven years of use,the masts
still look
good. Painted white,they look good below decks,and above.
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:38 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Mine is an F33 1982 Hull 51. Pretty close to yours. Did yours
have
the small horizontal cracking? Do you know what kind of filler
they
used so this didn’t happen again?
Thanks
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

F33 1982
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber
Masts?

What model freedom and year?

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts
(with
the
spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s
or
others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having
mine
painted
but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or
develop
cracks
given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer
of
glass
is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what
kind
of
original paint was used or how long it held up.
Thanks
Alan

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Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

They were painted without filler. It was done by the prior owner.The cracks
are still there.Paint is still shiny
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 5:34 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

\

So do I understand that you did use filler for the cracks but a
flexible one? And after the filler and awlgrip (I think they make a
flexible formula like for airplane wings) the filler and paint job
have held up? Or do you still see the cracks?
Do you recall the cost in 97? Or did you do it yourself?
Thanks for the help. I’m trying to decide whether its worth doing.
The yard that would do it won’t guarantee it so the risk is on me.
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Horizontal cracks are in the gelcoat on the mast,not in the
structure. If
you fill them ,unless the filler is flexible,they will re-crack
upon flexure
during use. Also,polyurethane paint will not flex. My cracks were
left
alone,and were painted over. After seven years of use,the masts
still look
good. Painted white,they look good below decks,and above.
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:38 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Mine is an F33 1982 Hull 51. Pretty close to yours. Did yours
have
the small horizontal cracking? Do you know what kind of filler
they
used so this didn’t happen again?
Thanks
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

F33 1982
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber
Masts?

What model freedom and year?

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber masts
(with
the
spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or 39s
or
others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having
mine
painted
but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or
develop
cracks
given the bend of the masts and the way the external layer
of
glass
is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what
kind
of
original paint was used or how long it held up.
Thanks
Alan

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Posted by akusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

thanks
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

They were painted without filler. It was done by the prior
owner.The cracks
are still there.Paint is still shiny
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 5:34 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber Masts?

So do I understand that you did use filler for the cracks but a
flexible one? And after the filler and awlgrip (I think they
make a
flexible formula like for airplane wings) the filler and paint
job
have held up? Or do you still see the cracks?
Do you recall the cost in 97? Or did you do it yourself?
Thanks for the help. I’m trying to decide whether its worth
doing.
The yard that would do it won’t guarantee it so the risk is on
me.
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Horizontal cracks are in the gelcoat on the mast,not in the
structure. If
you fill them ,unless the filler is flexible,they will re-crack
upon flexure
during use. Also,polyurethane paint will not flex. My cracks
were
left
alone,and were painted over. After seven years of use,the masts
still look
good. Painted white,they look good below decks,and above.
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:38 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber
Masts?

Mine is an F33 1982 Hull 51. Pretty close to yours. Did yours
have
the small horizontal cracking? Do you know what kind of filler
they
used so this didn’t happen again?
Thanks
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

F33 1982
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Painting old Carbon Fiber
Masts?

What model freedom and year?

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jerome Weinraub
<zayde@o…> wrote:

Mine were repainted in 1997 with Awlgrip white .Looks VVG
----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Painting old Carbon Fiber
Masts?

Any experience with painting the older carbon fiber
masts
(with
the
spiral external glass layer) like on the Freedom 33s or
39s
or
others of the early 80s vintage? I’m considering having
mine
painted
but not sure of what to use or if it would hold up or
develop
cracks
given the bend of the masts and the way the external
layer
of
glass
is done. My masts are currently black but not sure what
kind
of
original paint was used or how long it held up.
Thanks
Alan

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