Perkins 4107/4108 exhaust mixing elbow needed

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Guys (girls included),

My 1981 F44 has an older (1980) Perkins 4108. My mixing elbow is
completely gone. Apparently, for this engine, Perkins ony supplied
the five bolt flange with 1.5" NPT threaded hole in it, not the
mixing elbow itself. My 90* elbow was cast iron, from Westerbeke,
and connected through a 6" length of pipe with 1.5" NPT thread on
both ends. Not a good solition, I think, because the exhaust
manifold is cooled, the mixing elbow is cooled, and the piece of
pipe in between gets a 1000 degrees hot. It was insulated with a
piece of glass cloth.

I can order the Westerbeke elbow through Torresen.com (fantastic
website with all these exploded views!) but it’s cast iron (corrodes
quickly), heavy, and therefore costs me $100 in shipping alone.

There is also a company called Foley Engines and they show several
types of aluminum mixing elbows that should fit the 5-bolt flange.
They don’t react on my emails, however.

What is the most economical solution for a mixing elbow that I could
think of?

Thanks for your help.

Michel Capel

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Michel:

I actually know little about these things, but on other web sites I have seen folks make exhaust elbows from readily available pipe. For example, I read how a Sabre owner put together a new exhaust elbow for a Westerbeke for very little money using commercial plumbing parts. (Here’s his description: “I put a 1 1/4” tee in the line, a 1 1/4" x 1/2" reducer, a 1/2" street 45 ° elbow, a close nipple, another 45° and a short nipple to which I connected the water hose to. Attached is the best photo I have of this connection. The original connection failed right at the weld where they cut in a wye for the hose connection. I used VersaChem High-Temp Red Silicone RTV 650 sealant that I either bought at Wal-Mart or Advanced Auto Parts. It is rated for 650° F and is oxygen sensor safe (meaning no hydrocarbons).").

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capelSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:00 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Perkins 4107/4108 exhaust mixing elbow neededGuys (girls included),My 1981 F44 has an older (1980) Perkins 4108. My mixing elbow is completely gone. Apparently, for this engine, Perkins ony supplied the five bolt flange with 1.5" NPT threaded hole in it, not the mixing elbow itself. My 90* elbow was cast iron, from Westerbeke, and connected through a 6" length of pipe with 1.5" NPT thread on both ends. Not a good solition, I think, because the exhaust manifold is cooled, the mixing elbow is cooled, and the piece of pipe in between gets a 1000 degrees hot. It was insulated with a piece of glass cloth. I can order the Westerbeke elbow through Torresen.com (fantastic website with all these exploded views!) but it’s cast iron (corrodes quickly), heavy, and therefore costs me $100 in shipping alone. There is also a company called Foley Engines and they show several types of aluminum mixing elbows that should fit the 5-bolt flange. They don’t react on my emails, however.What is the most economical solution for a mixing elbow that I could think of?Thanks for your help.Michel Capel

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Posted by William A. Cormack (wacormack@…>)

Making your own out of commercial plumbing parts is OK as Al suggested but make sure that you get the grade of fitting that is rated for natural gas use. The ordinary pipe is water tight but gas can permeate.

Bill

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From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 03/24/2006 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Perkins 4107/4108 exhaust mixing elbow needed


Michel:

I actually know little about these things, but on other web sites I have seen folks make exhaust elbows from readily available pipe. For example, I read how a Sabre owner put together a new exhaust elbow for a Westerbeke for very little money using commercial plumbing parts. (Here’s his description: “I put a 1 1/4” tee in the line, a 1 1/4" x 1/2" reducer, a 1/2" street 45 ° elbow, a close nipple, another 45° and a short nipple to which I connected the water hose to. Attached is the best photo I have of this connection. The original connection failed right at the weld where they cut in a wye for the hose connection. I used VersaChem High-Temp Red Silicone RTV 650 sealant that I either bought at Wal-Mart or Advanced Auto Parts. It is rated for 650° F and is oxygen sensor safe (meaning no hydrocarbons).").

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capelSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:00 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Perkins 4107/4108 exhaust mixing elbow neededGuys (girls included),My 1981 F44 has an older (1980) Perkins 4108. My mixing elbow is completely gone. Apparently, for this engine, Perkins ony supplied the five bolt flange with 1.5" NPT threaded hole in it, not the mixing elbow itself. My 90* elbow was cast iron, from Westerbeke, and connected through a 6" length of pipe with 1.5" NPT thread on both ends. Not a good solition, I think, because the exhaust manifold is cooled, the mixing elbow is cooled, and the piece of pipe in between gets a 1000 degrees hot. It was insulated with a piece of glass cloth. I can order the Westerbeke elbow through Torresen.com (fantastic website with all these exploded views!) but it’s cast iron (corrodes quickly), heavy, and therefore costs me $100 in shipping alone. There is also a company called Foley Engines and they show several types of aluminum mixing elbows that should fit the 5-bolt flange. They don’t react on my emails, however.What is the most economical solution for a mixing elbow that I could think of?Thanks for your help.Michel Capel

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Michel,
be wary of Foley. When I blew out my starter in 2004, I called to
order one, naively not knowing that there were several for the
4.108. When I got my starter (a rebuilt), it was designed for the
right side of the engine, not the left (which I needed). when I
called them, first they told me there was ‘no such thing’ as a
starter for the left side of a 4.108. Then they offered to sell me a
brand new one for twice the cost of the rebuilt. Being in a pinch, a
new city, and somewhat desperate, I bought it (in more ways than
one), and lo and behold it fit quite snugly on the left side of the
engine.

Since that time, I’ve met several diesel mechanics that refuse to do
business with Foley. and no, you can’t email them, you definitely
need to call them. If you dare…

Lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@…> wrote:

Guys (girls included),

My 1981 F44 has an older (1980) Perkins 4108. My mixing elbow is
completely gone. Apparently, for this engine, Perkins ony supplied
the five bolt flange with 1.5" NPT threaded hole in it, not the
mixing elbow itself. My 90* elbow was cast iron, from Westerbeke,
and connected through a 6" length of pipe with 1.5" NPT thread on
both ends. Not a good solition, I think, because the exhaust
manifold is cooled, the mixing elbow is cooled, and the piece of
pipe in between gets a 1000 degrees hot. It was insulated with a
piece of glass cloth.

I can order the Westerbeke elbow through Torresen.com (fantastic
website with all these exploded views!) but it’s cast iron
(corrodes
quickly), heavy, and therefore costs me $100 in shipping alone.

There is also a company called Foley Engines and they show several
types of aluminum mixing elbows that should fit the 5-bolt flange.
They don’t react on my emails, however.

What is the most economical solution for a mixing elbow that I
could
think of?

Thanks for your help.

Michel Capel

Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

You can have one made of cupronickel for $150-200,and it will outlast the
engine. You will need the old parts as a model. On Long Island see Marine
Manifold
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Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:00 AM
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Guys (girls included),

My 1981 F44 has an older (1980) Perkins 4108. My mixing elbow is
completely gone. Apparently, for this engine, Perkins ony supplied
the five bolt flange with 1.5" NPT threaded hole in it, not the
mixing elbow itself. My 90* elbow was cast iron, from Westerbeke,
and connected through a 6" length of pipe with 1.5" NPT thread on
both ends. Not a good solition, I think, because the exhaust
manifold is cooled, the mixing elbow is cooled, and the piece of
pipe in between gets a 1000 degrees hot. It was insulated with a
piece of glass cloth.

I can order the Westerbeke elbow through Torresen.com (fantastic
website with all these exploded views!) but it’s cast iron (corrodes
quickly), heavy, and therefore costs me $100 in shipping alone.

There is also a company called Foley Engines and they show several
types of aluminum mixing elbows that should fit the 5-bolt flange.
They don’t react on my emails, however.

What is the most economical solution for a mixing elbow that I could
think of?

Thanks for your help.

Michel Capel

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Posted by Alfred Roberts (lab2doodle@…>)
I work in Worcester, MA and can walk to Foley from my office. If I can help let me know.“michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote: Guys (girls included),My 1981 F44 has an older (1980) Perkins 4108. My mixing elbow is completely gone. Apparently, for this engine, Perkins ony supplied the five bolt flange with 1.5" NPT threaded hole in it, not the mixing elbow itself. My 90* elbow was cast iron, from Westerbeke, and connected through a 6" length of pipe with 1.5" NPT thread on both ends. Not a good solition, I think, because the exhaust manifold is cooled, the mixing elbow is cooled, and the piece of pipe in between gets a 1000 degrees hot. It was insulated with a piece of glass cloth. I can order the Westerbeke elbow through Torresen.com (fantastic website with all these exploded
views!) but it’s cast iron (corrodes quickly), heavy, and therefore costs me $100 in shipping alone. There is also a company called Foley Engines and they show several types of aluminum mixing elbows that should fit the 5-bolt flange. They don’t react on my emails, however.What is the most economical solution for a mixing elbow that I could think of?Thanks for your help.Michel Capel
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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Lance, thanks that you warn me. I had no good impression of Foley’s
customer approach, although they have excellent tips and tricks on
their website.

All others, thanks for the tips, I’ll look into making a mixing
elbow myself. It it’s relatively cheap standard piping, it’s no
problem that it corrodes quickly. I’ll keep you posted.

Thanks all!
Michel


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@…> wrote:

Michel,
be wary of Foley. When I blew out my starter in 2004, I called to
order one, naively not knowing that there were several for the
4.108. When I got my starter (a rebuilt), it was designed for the
right side of the engine, not the left (which I needed). when I
called them, first they told me there was ‘no such thing’ as a
starter for the left side of a 4.108. Then they offered to sell me
a
brand new one for twice the cost of the rebuilt. Being in a pinch,
a
new city, and somewhat desperate, I bought it (in more ways than
one), and lo and behold it fit quite snugly on the left side of
the
engine.

Since that time, I’ve met several diesel mechanics that refuse to
do
business with Foley. and no, you can’t email them, you definitely
need to call them. If you dare…

Lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@> wrote:

Guys (girls included),

My 1981 F44 has an older (1980) Perkins 4108. My mixing elbow is
completely gone. Apparently, for this engine, Perkins ony
supplied
the five bolt flange with 1.5" NPT threaded hole in it, not the
mixing elbow itself. My 90* elbow was cast iron, from
Westerbeke,
and connected through a 6" length of pipe with 1.5" NPT thread
on
both ends. Not a good solition, I think, because the exhaust
manifold is cooled, the mixing elbow is cooled, and the piece of
pipe in between gets a 1000 degrees hot. It was insulated with a
piece of glass cloth.

I can order the Westerbeke elbow through Torresen.com (fantastic
website with all these exploded views!) but it’s cast iron
(corrodes
quickly), heavy, and therefore costs me $100 in shipping alone.

There is also a company called Foley Engines and they show
several
types of aluminum mixing elbows that should fit the 5-bolt
flange.
They don’t react on my emails, however.

What is the most economical solution for a mixing elbow that I
could
think of?

Thanks for your help.

Michel Capel

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Alfred,
Thanks for your offer. I’ll get back to you if I need to ask you to
go overthere.

Michel


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Alfred Roberts
<lab2doodle@…> wrote:

I work in Worcester, MA and can walk to Foley from my office. If
I can help let me know.

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote: Guys (girls included),

My 1981 F44 has an older (1980) Perkins 4108. My mixing elbow is
completely gone. Apparently, for this engine, Perkins ony supplied
the five bolt flange with 1.5" NPT threaded hole in it, not the
mixing elbow itself. My 90* elbow was cast iron, from Westerbeke,
and connected through a 6" length of pipe with 1.5" NPT thread on
both ends. Not a good solition, I think, because the exhaust
manifold is cooled, the mixing elbow is cooled, and the piece of
pipe in between gets a 1000 degrees hot. It was insulated with a
piece of glass cloth.

I can order the Westerbeke elbow through Torresen.com (fantastic
website with all these exploded views!) but it’s cast iron
(corrodes
quickly), heavy, and therefore costs me $100 in shipping alone.

There is also a company called Foley Engines and they show several
types of aluminum mixing elbows that should fit the 5-bolt flange.
They don’t react on my emails, however.

What is the most economical solution for a mixing elbow that I
could
think of?

Thanks for your help.

Michel Capel


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Posted by Alfred Roberts (lab2doodle@…>)
No problem, I’m on vacation next week and will be out of the country.“michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote: Alfred,Thanks for your offer. I’ll get back to you if I need to ask you to go overthere.Michel— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Alfred Roberts <lab2doodle@…> wrote:>> I work in Worcester, MA and can walk to Foley from my office. If I can help let me know.> > “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote: Guys (girls included),> > My 1981 F44 has an older (1980) Perkins 4108. My mixing elbow is > completely gone. Apparently, for this engine, Perkins ony supplied > the five bolt flange with 1.5" NPT threaded hole in it, not the > mixing elbow itself. My 90* elbow was cast iron, from Westerbeke, > and
connected through a 6" length of pipe with 1.5" NPT thread on > both ends. Not a good solition, I think, because the exhaust > manifold is cooled, the mixing elbow is cooled, and the piece of > pipe in between gets a 1000 degrees hot. It was insulated with a > piece of glass cloth. > > I can order the Westerbeke elbow through Torresen.com (fantastic > website with all these exploded views!) but it’s cast iron (corrodes > quickly), heavy, and therefore costs me $100 in shipping alone. > > There is also a company called Foley Engines and they show several > types of aluminum mixing elbows that should fit the 5-bolt flange. > They don’t react on my emails, however.> > What is the most economical solution for a mixing elbow that I could > think of?> > Thanks for your help.> > Michel Capel> > > > >

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