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Posted by tom (ketch_22@…>)

Hello Dave,

I’ve had a PSS seal installed since 98 and have never burped it. Your
reference was the first time I’d heard of it. It’s possible that the
yard (Sven’s and Nelsons) have been doing it without my knowing.

Did you burp yours every time you hauled?

I called PSS and talked to Dan Schalk. He said that my vintage seal
might need burping (the newer ones don’t evidently), but it was
dependent on the boat. A boat with a long prop shaft at a steep angle
relative to horizontal would be more of a problem than a short shaft
with a shallow angle (relative to horizontal). He mentioned that a
seal that needed burping would most likely emit a high pitched sound,
akin to a bearing going bad. I don’t have the symptom on Ketch 22.




— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

I think the newer PYI dripless shaft seals don’t need to be “burped”
after going back in the water. FWIW some of the local surveyors in
the Pacific Northwest where the PYI is headquartered, are not big
fans of the system. We had one on our 39 and it never gave us a
problem. We knew it needed to be burped so we never had any damage
from running it dry after haulout.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “anchoring9”
<anchoring9@> wrote:

Warning! I have a 1987 Freedom 36. The dripless shaft seal that
it came with started to
leak. The PYI staff said that it now leaks because the air was
not bled out when the boat
was launched. This may have happened several times since I did
not know about this
necessity for six years. I don’t know if the previous owner
failed to do this either.

Question: Do you have to remove the rudder in order to remove the
shaft? Or, can the
new PYI dripless shaft seal and cutless bearings be installed
without removing the rudder?

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)


My yard burps all PSS shaft seals
(supposedly) just as a general practice. I would think many yards do if you
have them service the engine on launching but certainly wouldn’t count on
it.
Alan F-33

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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:54
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] PSS
shaft seal

Hello Dave,

I’ve had a PSS seal installed since 98 and have
never burped it. Your
reference was the first time I’d heard of
it. It’s possible that the
yard (Sven’s and Nelsons) have been doing it
without my knowing.

Did you burp yours every time you hauled?

I called PSS and talked to Dan Schalk. He
said that my vintage seal
might need burping (the newer ones don’t
evidently), but it was
dependent on the boat. A boat with a long
prop shaft at a steep angle
relative to horizontal would be more of a problem
than a short shaft
with a shallow angle (relative to
horizontal). He mentioned that a
seal that needed burping would most likely emit a
high pitched sound,
akin to a bearing going bad. I don’t have
the symptom on Ketch 22.




— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

I think the newer PYI dripless shaft seals
don’t need to be “burped”
after going back in the water. FWIW some of
the local surveyors in
the Pacific Northwest
where the PYI is headquartered, are not big
fans of the system. We had one on our 39 and it
never gave us a
problem. We knew it needed to be burped so we
never had any damage
from running it dry after haulout.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“anchoring9”
<anchoring9@> wrote:

Warning! I have a 1987 Freedom 36.
The dripless shaft seal that
it came with started to
leak. The PYI staff said that it
now leaks because the air was
not bled out when the boat
was launched. This may have
happened several times since I did
not know about this
necessity for six years. I
don’t know if the previous owner
failed to do this either.

Question: Do you have to remove the
rudder in order to remove the
shaft? Or, can the
new PYI dripless shaft seal and cutless
bearings be installed
without removing the rudder?






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Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)


PSS shaft seals:

I burp them
every couple of months and at launch and after operating in very rough
conditions. Air bubbles can accumulate in the upper stern tube and the
interface between the composite block and the stainless disk can dry out.

The only ones
that don’t need burping (I think) are those with hoses attached to the (composite)
block on the end of the bellows. The problem with them is that the block
is longer and on some Freedoms, there isn’t enough room for the added
length between the stern tube and the coupling. On planning hulls, that
hose must be connected to a source of water, otherwise just high enough in the
hull so that water will make it to the seal and not overflow at any angle of
heal, into the boat.

Brian
Guptil sailordude@…

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Kusinitz
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:10 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] PSS shaft
seal

My yard burps all PSS
shaft seals (supposedly) just as a general practice. I would think many yards
do if you have them service the engine on launching but certainly
wouldn’t count on it.
Alan F-33

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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:54
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] PSS
shaft seal

Hello
Dave,

I’ve had a PSS seal installed since 98 and have
never burped it. Your
reference was the first time I’d heard of
it. It’s possible that the
yard (Sven’s and Nelsons) have been doing it
without my knowing.

Did you burp yours every time you hauled?

I called PSS and talked to Dan Schalk. He
said that my vintage seal
might need burping (the newer ones don’t
evidently), but it was
dependent on the boat. A boat with a long
prop shaft at a steep angle
relative to horizontal would be more of a problem
than a short shaft
with a shallow angle (relative to
horizontal). He mentioned that a
seal that needed burping would most likely emit a
high pitched sound,
akin to a bearing going bad. I don’t have
the symptom on Ketch 22.




— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

I think the newer PYI dripless shaft seals
don’t need to be “burped”
after going back in the water. FWIW some of
the local surveyors in
the Pacific Northwest where the PYI is
headquartered, are not big
fans of the system. We had one on our 39 and
it never gave us a
problem. We knew it needed to be burped so we
never had any damage
from running it dry after haulout.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“anchoring9”
<anchoring9@> wrote:

Warning! I have a 1987 Freedom 36.
The dripless shaft seal that
it came with started to
leak. The PYI staff said that it
now leaks because the air was
not bled out when the boat
was launched. This may have
happened several times since I did
not know about this
necessity for six years. I
don’t know if the previous owner
failed to do this either.

Question: Do you have to remove the
rudder in order to remove the
shaft? Or, can the
new PYI dripless shaft seal and cutless
bearings be installed
without removing the rudder?





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Posted by Mitchell Daitz (mdaitz@…>)

This is the first that I have heard of this issue.
What are the steps required to “burp”? Thanks.

— Brian Guptil <sailordude@…> wrote:

PSS shaft seals:

I burp them every couple of months and at launch and
after operating in very
rough conditions. Air bubbles can accumulate in the
upper stern tube and
the interface between the composite block and the
stainless disk can dry
out.

The only ones that don’t need burping (I think) are
those with hoses
attached to the (composite) block on the end of the
bellows. The problem
with them is that the block is longer and on some
Freedoms, there isn’t
enough room for the added length between the stern
tube and the coupling.
On planning hulls, that hose must be connected to a
source of water,
otherwise just high enough in the hull so that water
will make it to the
seal and not overflow at any angle of heal, into the
boat.

Brian Guptil sailordude@…

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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Kusinitz
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:10 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] PSS shaft seal

My yard burps all PSS shaft seals (supposedly) just
as a general practice. I
would think many yards do if you have them service
the engine on launching
but certainly wouldn’t count on it.

Alan F-33

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Of tom
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:54 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] PSS shaft seal

Hello Dave,

I’ve had a PSS seal installed since 98 and have
never burped it. Your
reference was the first time I’d heard of it. It’s
possible that the
yard (Sven’s and Nelsons) have been doing it without
my knowing.

Did you burp yours every time you hauled?

I called PSS and talked to Dan Schalk. He said that
my vintage seal
might need burping (the newer ones don’t evidently),
but it was
dependent on the boat. A boat with a long prop
shaft at a steep angle
relative to horizontal would be more of a problem
than a short shaft
with a shallow angle (relative to horizontal). He
mentioned that a
seal that needed burping would most likely emit a
high pitched sound,
akin to a bearing going bad. I don’t have the
symptom on Ketch 22.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

I think the newer PYI dripless shaft seals don’t
need to be “burped”
after going back in the water. FWIW some of the
local surveyors in
the Pacific Northwest where the PYI is
headquartered, are not big
fans of the system. We had one on our 39 and it
never gave us a
problem. We knew it needed to be burped so we
never had any damage
from running it dry after haulout.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“anchoring9”
<anchoring9@> wrote:

Warning! I have a 1987 Freedom 36. The dripless
shaft seal that
it came with started to
leak. The PYI staff said that it now leaks
because the air was
not bled out when the boat
was launched. This may have happened several
times since I did
not know about this
necessity for six years. I don’t know if the
previous owner
failed to do this either.

Question: Do you have to remove the rudder in
order to remove the
shaft? Or, can the
new PYI dripless shaft seal and cutless bearings
be installed
without removing the rudder?

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Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)

Burping PSS shaft seal and some other types as well

  1. with you hand, push on or slide the composite block at the end of the
    bellows, to the side of aft until a little water comes out. Do not use a
    tool that could scratch either the composite block of the stainless collar.
  2. you are done.

Brian

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Posted by svfantasy@… (svfantasy@…)
Brian,
I’m sorry Brian, what do you mean “push to the side of aft”. Do you mean to push the composite ring aft? I also have this shaft seal and did not know about the need to burp it.
Thanks, Jay
----- Original Message -----From: “Brian Guptil” To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] PSS shaft sealDate: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:27:52 -0400Burping PSS shaft seal and some other types as well1) with you hand, push on or slide the composite block at the end of thebellows, to the side of aft until a little water comes out. Do not use atool that could scratch either the composite block of the stainless collar. 2) you are done.Brian

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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

What I used to do was just pull the back part of the seal slightly
forward allowing water to spurt out. All you need to do is get water
flowing.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, svfantasy@… wrote:

Brian,

I’m sorry Brian, what do you mean “push to the side of aft”. Do
you mean
to push the composite ring aft? I also have this shaft seal and
did not
know about the need to burp it.

Thanks, Jay

----- Original Message -----
From: “Brian Guptil”
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] PSS shaft seal
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:27:52 -0400

Burping PSS shaft seal and some other types as well

  1. with you hand, push on or slide the composite block at the
    end of
    the
    bellows, to the side of aft until a little water comes out. Do
    not
    use a
    tool that could scratch either the composite block of the
    stainless
    collar.
  2. you are done.

Brian

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Posted by Edward Reiss (ereiss@…>)
does shaft need to be turning when you are doing this? PO said it did, doesn’t make sense that it wold need to.

Ed Reiss
P33-2 #6
Being There
out of Marion, MA
On 4/20/06, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

What I used to do was just pull the back part of the seal slightly forward allowing water to spurt out. All you need to do is get water flowing.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
, svfantasy@… wrote:>> Brian,> > I’m sorry Brian, what do you mean “push to the side of aft”. Do you mean> to push the composite ring aft? I also have this shaft seal and did not> know about the need to burp it.> > Thanks, Jay> > ----- Original Message -----> From: “Brian Guptil”> To:
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Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)


PSS shaft seal

If your shaft
seal carbon-graphite stator does not have a vent hose that is connected to the
engine sea water outlet, of is vented above the waterline, you DO need to burp
it. The carbon-graphite is water lubricated.

All you need to
do is, with the boat in the water, move the carbon-graphite stator aft, toward
the stern tube (compressing the bellows) so that some water comes out.

It would be a
good idea to call PYI and get the instruction manual for this device.
There are some other things you may need to know.

I have used
them an 5 vessels and have hade good results.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svfantasy@…
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:51 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] PSS shaft
seal

Brian,
I’m sorry Brian, what do you mean “push to the
side of aft”. Do you mean to push the composite ring aft? I also have this
shaft seal and did not know about the need to burp it.
Thanks, Jay

Original Message -----
From: “Brian Guptil”
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] PSS shaft seal
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:27:52 -0400

Burping
PSS shaft seal and some other types as well

  1. with you hand, push on or slide the composite
    block at the end of the
    bellows, to the side of aft until a little water
    comes out. Do not use a
    tool that could scratch either the composite block
    of the stainless collar.
  2. you are done.

Brian



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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

that’d be a dangerous proposition, at least on Bright Star, where
you’d have to climb over a running Perkins to burp with a turning
shaft. The shaft does not have to be turning, at least on the PSS
style seals. just make sure you get a good cup of water or so coming
out into the boat, then release.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Edward Reiss”
<ereiss@…> wrote:

does shaft need to be turning when you are doing this? PO said it
did,
doesn’t make sense that it wold need to.

Ed Reiss
P33-2 #6
Being There
out of Marion, MA

On 4/20/06, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

What I used to do was just pull the back part of the seal
slightly
forward allowing water to spurt out. All you need to do is get
water
flowing.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, svfantasy@ wrote:

Brian,

I’m sorry Brian, what do you mean “push to the side of aft”. Do
you mean
to push the composite ring aft? I also have this shaft seal and
did not
know about the need to burp it.

Thanks, Jay

----- Original Message -----
From: “Brian Guptil”
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] PSS shaft seal
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:27:52 -0400

Burping PSS shaft seal and some other types as well

  1. with you hand, push on or slide the composite block at the
    end of
    the
    bellows, to the side of aft until a little water comes out.
    Do
    not
    use a
    tool that could scratch either the composite block of the
    stainless
    collar.
  2. you are done.

Brian

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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

NO. Do not attempt this procedure while shaft is turning. It’s
unnecessary and potentially hazardous.


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Edward Reiss” <ereiss@…>
wrote:

does shaft need to be turning when you are doing this? PO said it
did,
doesn’t make sense that it wold need to.

Ed Reiss
P33-2 #6
Being There
out of Marion, MA

On 4/20/06, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

What I used to do was just pull the back part of the seal slightly
forward allowing water to spurt out. All you need to do is get
water
flowing.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, svfantasy@ wrote:

Brian,

I’m sorry Brian, what do you mean “push to the side of aft”. Do
you mean
to push the composite ring aft? I also have this shaft seal and
did not
know about the need to burp it.

Thanks, Jay

----- Original Message -----
From: “Brian Guptil”
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] PSS shaft seal
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:27:52 -0400

Burping PSS shaft seal and some other types as well

  1. with you hand, push on or slide the composite block at the
    end of
    the
    bellows, to the side of aft until a little water comes out.
    Do
    not
    use a
    tool that could scratch either the composite block of the
    stainless
    collar.
  2. you are done.

Brian

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Posted by Edward Reiss (ereiss@…>)
Thanks, I was always afraid I would be working in base 10 for all future calculations.
On 4/21/06, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

NO. Do not attempt this procedure while shaft is turning. It’s unnecessary and potentially hazardous.Ed Reiss
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