Posted by mike_c_f35ck (mike_c_f35ck@…>)
Gerald,
I’m very interested in your exact blade staysail setup. I’ve used it
many times on courses between 60 and 80 degrees apparent, but have
never managed to get it all right when sailing close hauled. I have 4
eyebolt on the coachroof, and use the leeward aft eyebolt for the
blade staysail. Where do you put the sheetblock? On the footrail or
to the inside of the cockpit seats? I always have ‘backdraft’ from
the blade against the mizzen, resulting in zero effect of the blade.
Groet,
Mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
We have the same set up as Mike Capel, (and the same UK built
boat), and I would
endorse everything he says about staysails. Our old spinnaker, now
mostly made of
patches, was quite full bodied aloft, and the new replacement has
been cut much
more like a large genoa, so carries better with a beam wind than
downwind.
Wishbones let us run the main so far by the lee we can manage 70
degrees from the
apparent wind. We have permanently rove preventers on the main,
through blocks at
the tip of the bowsprit/cathead, running back to the aft mooring
cleats. Some elastic,
and tiny blocks, holds the slack preventers out of the way.
The ‘blade’ staysail can be
carried when close hauled, and adds half a knot when set right:
tack on the lee’ard
pad eye.
The only drawback of these sails is that they must be handed when
tacking, so they
are too much trouble if racing round the cans, but they’ve won us a
race out at sea!
Gerald & Lynda Freshwater.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Alan,
I have one running backstay attached to an eyebolt at the front
of
the masthead. There is a snapshackle block at the bottom end. I
set
the mizzen sail, then tighten the running backstay on the
opposite
side attached to the aftmost hole in the footrail. Then sheet in
the
mizzen sail.
Allan, let me assure you that you really wat to play with these
mizzen sails in light airs. They make our Freedoms into the
performers nobody thinks they are. The advantage of wishbones is
that I can let out the mail wishbone to windward and let it out
untill the boom points forward. Thus, you create a ‘windscoop’
for
the mizzen sail. With conventional booms it also pays off to let
the
boom go forward as much as possible.
Regards,
mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:
Thanks for the great info. Could you tell me if you use running
backstays on the mizzen when you fly these? I saw something in
the
F-
33 manual saying they’re needed but I’ll need to add attachment
eyes
at the mast head.
The sailmakers I spoke with didn’t seem to think these mizzen
sails
would be worthwhile but sure sounds like they are. I’m
particularly
interested in anything that would improve the performance in
light
winds and sounds like this would. I’d imagine that would be
true
whether its with wishbones like yours or the standard booms
like
mine.
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:
Hi Allan,
my boat was equipped with a mizzen spi, a mizzen staysail and
a
mizzen blade (=flat) staysail. Especially the two big ones
are
what
separates us Freedom sailors from the rest! Wow, these sail
really
make you fly. The mizzen spi is best used on courses between
100
and
160 degrees off the apparent wind in winds up to 18 knots
true.
Rig
the clew to the end of the mizzen boom.
The mizzen staysail can best be used on courses between 60
and
140
degrees off the apparent wind up to windspeeds of about 18
knots
true.
For an F33, you could buy a second hand spinnaker of suitable
area
(45m2)and have the lowest strip of cloth cut diagonally to
change
the
shape of the sail from symmetrical to assymetrical. I have
some
dimensions for you:
A large staysail for an F33 measures: luff 38’0", leech
31’6",
foot
24’0", area 372 sqft. A mizzen spi would have about the same
luff
length. Buy a second hand light weather genoa of about this
size
and
you’ll be fine.
A small staysail would measure: luff 34’6", leech 32’0", foot
8’6",
area 136 sqft.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:
Thanks. I was thinking about using the anchorsprit as it
appears
strong enough. Do you find your mizzen spinaker or a
staysail
is
enough of an advantage to make it worthwhile? If so in what
winds
and do you use running backstays?
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:
I have an F33 with wishbones, but still I sometimes rig a
preventer
on the main. I attach a line to the opening in the
cathead
where
the
anchor sits through, and then to half way the boom.
Works
fine.
I
want to install a padeye on the foremost part of the
cathead
for
rigging the preventer. I can also use this padeye to
provide
a
more
foreward attachment point for my mizzen spinaker.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:
Has anyone figured a way to use a boombrake like
servobrake
or
boomlock on the main of a Freedom 33? Given the narrow
beam
at
the
mainmast at the bow and the need to allow the boom (I
have
regular
booms not the wishbones) to swing out 90 downwind it
doesn’t
look
like these things will have the proper angles to use
them.
Even
a
regular preventer seems a challenge.
Has anyone had any experience rigging anything as a
preventer
or
boom brake for dealing with jibing for the main?
Thanks
Alan
Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
Mike,
I may be a little more liberal in my description “close hauled”: probably we
wouldn’t get
any better than 54-50 degrees app. wind with this sail. We accept a moderate
amount of
back winding of the ‘lee’ surface of the sail, so long as it doesn’t affect the
windward
side, and this seems to give us some ‘oomph’. we sheet the sail to a snatch
block on the
toerail, about level with the wheel. We have tried setting the tack to the aft
windward
eye, which lets us sheet the sail flatter, but the drive disappears almost
completely until
we are reaching, when a larger sail would be better, and by that stage we have
to hand
the stays’l to gybe the main boom, so we would change it anyway.
Our mid sized stays’l (known to us as the reds’l, due to its colour) is now so
baggy that it
is useless except on a run. It will go soon, but not until we have a new main.
Who makes
your sails?
Regards,
Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck” <mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Gerald,
I’m very interested in your exact blade staysail setup. I’ve used it
many times on courses between 60 and 80 degrees apparent, but have
never managed to get it all right when sailing close hauled. I have 4
eyebolt on the coachroof, and use the leeward aft eyebolt for the
blade staysail. Where do you put the sheetblock? On the footrail or
to the inside of the cockpit seats? I always have ‘backdraft’ from
the blade against the mizzen, resulting in zero effect of the blade.
Groet,
Mike
Posted by Jay Bleu (jettebleu@…>)
What’s your hull size?geraldfreshwater <freshwater@…> wrote:
Mike,I may be a little more liberal in my description “close hauled”: probably we wouldn’t get any better than 54-50 degrees app. wind with this sail. We accept a moderate amount of back winding of the ‘lee’ surface of the sail, so long as it doesn’t affect the windward side, and this seems to give us some ‘oomph’. we sheet the sail to a snatch block on the toerail, about level with the wheel. We have tried setting the tack to the aft windward eye, which lets us sheet the sail flatter, but the drive disappears almost completely until we are reaching, when a larger sail would be better, and by that stage we have to hand the stays’l to gybe the main boom, so we would change it anyway.Our mid sized stays’l (known to us as the reds’l, due to its colour) is now so baggy that it is useless except on a run. It will go soon, but not
until we have a new main. Who makes your sails?Regards,Gerald— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck” <mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:> > Gerald,> > I’m very interested in your exact blade staysail setup. I’ve used it > many times on courses between 60 and 80 degrees apparent, but have > never managed to get it all right when sailing close hauled. I have 4 > eyebolt on the coachroof, and use the leeward aft eyebolt for the > blade staysail. Where do you put the sheetblock? On the footrail or > to the inside of the cockpit seats? I always have ‘backdraft’ from > the blade against the mizzen, resulting in zero effect of the blade.> > Groet,> > Mike >
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Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
We have a UK Freedom 35 cat rigged centre board ketch; it is the same hull and
rig as
the US freedom 33, although the interior layout is different (see plans in
Photos file
on the left). We have wishbones + wrap around sails. Has anyone any experience
of
sails with a zipped pocket around the mast? Paul de Reus had some made last
year, I
heard.
Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bleu <jettebleu@y…> wrote:
What’s your hull size?
Posted by seatimsboat@… (seatimsboat@…)
I wuold be very interested to learn more. thank you for your thoughts
Posted by mike_c_f35ck (mike_c_f35ck@…>)
Gerald,
Indeed he has, I heard of his first impressions with the new sails
last year, and they were positive. Haven’t heard of him since. I’ll
try and check out with him.
Regards,
Mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
We have a UK Freedom 35 cat rigged centre board ketch; it is the
same hull and rig as
the US freedom 33, although the interior layout is different (see
plans in Photos file
on the left). We have wishbones + wrap around sails. Has anyone any
experience of
sails with a zipped pocket around the mast? Paul de Reus had some
made last year, I
heard.
Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bleu <jettebleu@y…>
wrote:
What’s your hull size?
Posted by gjschouten (schouten@…>)
Shortly before selling my UK built F35 I had a new set of sails made
for her. (See foto F35 Samiel on this board. )
The consept is a combination of a fully battened sail with the gaff
booms. The sails are attached to the mast with webbing very much the
same way as the traditional sailing barges in Holland have done it for
centuries.
There are a few details that make this possible that I am happy to
share with you and the other Freedom owners if you are interested when
I have some more time.
The consept also allows for the use of modern laminates as it can fold
on the boom just like ordinary sails that run in a mast track.
The resulting rig I can say offers all the advantadges of the gaff
boom rig combined with a hughe roach and hence she goes like stink.
There is no other F35 nor F40 for that matter that can keep up with
Samiel.
Cheers,
Gio
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
We have a UK Freedom 35 cat rigged centre board ketch; it is the
same hull and rig as
the US freedom 33, although the interior layout is different (see
plans in Photos file
on the left). We have wishbones + wrap around sails. Has anyone any
experience of
sails with a zipped pocket around the mast? Paul de Reus had some
made last year, I
heard.
Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bleu <jettebleu@y…>
wrote:
What’s your hull size?
Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
Gio
I will be very interested to hear about the sails, and where you had them made,
too,
please.
Regards,
Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “gjschouten” <schouten@g…> wrote:
Shortly before selling my UK built F35 I had a new set of sails made
for her. (See foto F35 Samiel on this board. )
The consept is a combination of a fully battened sail with the gaff
booms. The sails are attached to the mast with webbing very much the
same way as the traditional sailing barges in Holland have done it for
centuries.
There are a few details that make this possible that I am happy to
share with you and the other Freedom owners if you are interested when
I have some more time.
The consept also allows for the use of modern laminates as it can fold
on the boom just like ordinary sails that run in a mast track.
The resulting rig I can say offers all the advantadges of the gaff
boom rig combined with a hughe roach and hence she goes like stink.
There is no other F35 nor F40 for that matter that can keep up with
Samiel.
Cheers,
Gio
Posted by petercschaefer (petersch@…>)
Gerald,
for the zipped wraparound sails have a look at the web page of James
Wharram, where there are drawings and photos of such a rig. The sails
were made by the UK sailmaker Jeckells somewhere on the east coast.
Good luck,
Peter
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
We have a UK Freedom 35 cat rigged centre board ketch; it is the
same hull and rig as
the US freedom 33, although the interior layout is different (see
plans in Photos file
on the left). We have wishbones + wrap around sails. Has anyone any
experience of
sails with a zipped pocket around the mast? Paul de Reus had some
made last year, I
heard.
Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bleu <jettebleu@y…>
wrote:
What’s your hull size?