Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)
If you blasted off the existing blisters, leaving the
remaining ‘good’ gelcoat in place in stead of peeling or blasting
off the entire gelcoat, you probably will develop blisters in the
remaining gelcoat, whether you put on epoxy or not. I guess you’d
better take off all the gelcoat and after drying the laminate, put
on an epoxy sealing layer. If you have no time now, go to Florida
without anything brushed on your bottom. The free acids will be
flushed out of the laminate and you can let the hull dry out in the
warm climate down south. Then put on an epoxy coating.
cheers,
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r” <fargo_r@y…>
wrote:
I have read all of the posts on the Syntron shaft seal…with
curiosity…and dismay. I think it was a good technical choice in
the
beginning…but may have been too different from normal to get
appropriate care. The frequent addition of a zerk fitting, sitting
there begging for grease, sent many users off in the wrong
direction
(although I can see that this sometime worked out). The seal was
clearly never meant to be greased…but does need cooling.
Now I have to deal with a 19 year old greased Syntron seal on our
“new” F30 in preparation for sailing and motoring south from New
England to Miami. The boat is dry right now…having been soda
blasted
back to the beautiful blister free gelcoat…so I want to check
the
seal this week. A 3 or 4 week wait for FMC to make a new one is not
possible for us.
Any suggestions on disassembly? Can it be safely inspected and
returned to service?
I found the post showing the FMC drawings…but no instructions for
taking it appart. One note on the web suggests that taking it
appart
will ruin it.
Also, any final advise from the experienced on whether to epoxy
seal
the bottom or not? We start expect to get back to the bottom on
Monday.
Fargo Rousseau
F30 #12, NARISA
Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Michel:
Sorry I was not clear about the soda blasting results.
There were no blisters on the bottom. I was told by a
member of this group (confirmed by my Freedom owners
manual) that this bottom was built with vinylester
resin. We have very carefully inpsected every square
inch of the bottom and it is smooth a babies bottom.
BUT…the rudder did have 10 blisters which oozed a
drop or two when punctured.
Fargo
F30 #12
— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:
If you blasted off the existing blisters, leaving
the
remaining ‘good’ gelcoat in place in stead of
peeling or blasting
off the entire gelcoat, you probably will develop
blisters in the
remaining gelcoat, whether you put on epoxy or not.
I guess you’d
better take off all the gelcoat and after drying the
laminate, put
on an epoxy sealing layer. If you have no time now,
go to Florida
without anything brushed on your bottom. The free
acids will be
flushed out of the laminate and you can let the hull
dry out in the
warm climate down south. Then put on an epoxy
coating.
cheers,
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r”
<fargo_r@y…>
wrote:
I have read all of the posts on the Syntron shaft
seal…with
curiosity…and dismay. I think it was a good
technical choice in
the
beginning…but may have been too different from
normal to get
appropriate care. The frequent addition of a zerk
fitting, sitting
there begging for grease, sent many users off in
the wrong
direction
(although I can see that this sometime worked
out). The seal was
clearly never meant to be greased…but does need
cooling.
Now I have to deal with a 19 year old greased
Syntron seal on our
“new” F30 in preparation for sailing and motoring
south from New
England to Miami. The boat is dry right
now…having been soda
blasted
back to the beautiful blister free gelcoat…so I
want to check
the
seal this week. A 3 or 4 week wait for FMC to make
a new one is not
possible for us.
Any suggestions on disassembly? Can it be safely
inspected and
returned to service?
I found the post showing the FMC drawings…but no
instructions for
taking it appart. One note on the web suggests
that taking it
appart
will ruin it.
Also, any final advise from the experienced on
whether to epoxy
seal
the bottom or not? We start expect to get back to
the bottom on
Monday.
Fargo Rousseau
F30 #12, NARISA
Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Hi.
Because you have Vinylester bottom resin on skin coat you should not touch it. It is fine now and should remain that way. Removing bottom paint and gelcoat will ruin it. Do spot grind and fill the rudder blisters with marine tex. See what devellops in time.
Andre, " Scaramanga" President , Superior Fiberglass Ltd.
Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:
Michel:Sorry I was not clear about the soda blasting results.There were no blisters on the bottom. I was told by amember of this group (confirmed by my Freedom ownersmanual) that this bottom was built with vinylesterresin. We have very carefully inpsected every squareinch of the bottom and it is smooth a babies bottom. BUT…the rudder did have 10 blisters which oozed adrop or two when punctured. FargoF30 #12— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:> If you blasted off the existing blisters, leaving> the > remaining ‘good’ gelcoat in place in stead of> peeling or blasting > off the entire gelcoat, you probably will develop> blisters in the > remaining gelcoat, whether you put on epoxy or not. > I guess you’d > better take off all the gelcoat
and after drying the> laminate, put > on an epoxy sealing layer. If you have no time now,> go to Florida > without anything brushed on your bottom. The free> acids will be > flushed out of the laminate and you can let the hull> dry out in the > warm climate down south. Then put on an epoxy> coating.> > cheers,> michel> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r”> <fargo_r@y…> > wrote:> >> > I have read all of the posts on the Syntron shaft> seal…with> > curiosity…and dismay. I think it was a good> technical choice in > the> > beginning…but may have been too different from> normal to get> > appropriate care. The frequent addition of a zerk> fitting, sitting> > there begging for grease, sent many users off in> the wrong > direction> >
(although I can see that this sometime worked> out). The seal was> > clearly never meant to be greased…but does need> cooling. > > > > Now I have to deal with a 19 year old greased> Syntron seal on our> > “new” F30 in preparation for sailing and motoring> south from New> > England to Miami. The boat is dry right> now…having been soda > blasted> > back to the beautiful blister free gelcoat…so I> want to check > the> > seal this week. A 3 or 4 week wait for FMC to make> a new one is not> > possible for us. > > > > Any suggestions on disassembly? Can it be safely> inspected and> > returned to service? > > > > I found the post showing the FMC drawings…but no> instructions for> > taking it appart. One note on the web suggests> that taking it
appart> > will ruin it. > > > > Also, any final advise from the experienced on> whether to epoxy > seal> > the bottom or not? We start expect to get back to> the bottom on > Monday.> > > > Fargo Rousseau> > F30 #12, NARISA> >> > > > >
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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Andre:
We have already removed the old layers of antifouling
paint and gently hand sanded the bottom gelcoat
smooth…just removing the blue stain from the orginal
coat of antifouling paint. We have not removed any
gelcoat and have not reached the vinylester layer
under the gelcoat.
Please give me an idea why you think this will ruin
the bottom. We were trying to get rid of 19 years of
accumulated paint that was pealing and very bumpy.
Thanks for your note.
Fargo
F30#12
— andre laviolette <andrelaviolette@…> wrote:
Hi.
Because you have Vinylester bottom resin on skin
coat you should not touch it. It is fine now and
should remain that way. Removing bottom paint and
gelcoat will ruin it. Do spot grind and fill the
rudder blisters with marine tex. See what devellops
in time.
Andre, " Scaramanga" President , Superior
Fiberglass Ltd.
Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:
Michel:
Sorry I was not clear about the soda blasting
results.
There were no blisters on the bottom. I was told by
a
member of this group (confirmed by my Freedom owners
manual) that this bottom was built with vinylester
resin. We have very carefully inpsected every square
inch of the bottom and it is smooth a babies bottom.
BUT…the rudder did have 10 blisters which oozed a
drop or two when punctured.
Fargo
F30 #12
— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:
If you blasted off the existing blisters, leaving
the
remaining ‘good’ gelcoat in place in stead of
peeling or blasting
off the entire gelcoat, you probably will develop
blisters in the
remaining gelcoat, whether you put on epoxy or
not.
I guess you’d
better take off all the gelcoat and after drying
the
laminate, put
on an epoxy sealing layer. If you have no time
now,
go to Florida
without anything brushed on your bottom. The free
acids will be
flushed out of the laminate and you can let the
hull
dry out in the
warm climate down south. Then put on an epoxy
coating.
cheers,
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fargo_r”
<fargo_r@y…>
wrote:
I have read all of the posts on the Syntron
shaft
seal…with
curiosity…and dismay. I think it was a good
technical choice in
the
beginning…but may have been too different from
normal to get
appropriate care. The frequent addition of a
zerk
fitting, sitting
there begging for grease, sent many users off in
the wrong
direction
(although I can see that this sometime worked
out). The seal was
clearly never meant to be greased…but does
need
cooling.
Now I have to deal with a 19 year old greased
Syntron seal on our
“new” F30 in preparation for sailing and
motoring
south from New
England to Miami. The boat is dry right
now…having been soda
blasted
back to the beautiful blister free gelcoat…so
I
want to check
the
seal this week. A 3 or 4 week wait for FMC to
make
a new one is not
possible for us.
Any suggestions on disassembly? Can it be safely
inspected and
returned to service?
I found the post showing the FMC drawings…but
no
instructions for
taking it appart. One note on the web suggests
that taking it
appart
will ruin it.
Also, any final advise from the experienced on
whether to epoxy
seal
the bottom or not? We start expect to get back
to
the bottom on
Monday.
Fargo Rousseau
F30 #12, NARISA
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Hi again.
Sorry for the delay in responding. Just got back to Fla. for Wilma !
What you have done , removing the layers of paint, is fine. After a LIGHT sanding of gelcoat , because you have no blisters, just repaint the antifoul. The vinyl ester skin coat IS your blister protection.
AndreFargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:
Andre:We have already removed the old layers of antifoulingpaint and gently hand sanded the bottom gelcoatsmooth…just removing the blue stain from the orginalcoat of antifouling paint. We have not removed anygelcoat and have not reached the vinylester layerunder the gelcoat. Please give me an idea why you think this will ruinthe bottom. We were trying to get rid of 19 years ofaccumulated paint that was pealing and very bumpy. Thanks for your note.FargoF30#12— andre laviolette <andrelaviolette@…> wrote:> Hi.> > Because you have Vinylester bottom resin on skin> coat you should not touch it. It is fine now and> should remain that way. Removing bottom paint and> gelcoat will ruin it. Do spot grind and fill the> rudder
blisters with marine tex. See what devellops> in time.> > Andre, " Scaramanga" President , Superior> Fiberglass Ltd.> > > > Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:> Michel:> > Sorry I was not clear about the soda blasting> results.> There were no blisters on the bottom. I was told by> a> member of this group (confirmed by my Freedom owners> manual) that this bottom was built with vinylester> resin. We have very carefully inpsected every square> inch of the bottom and it is smooth a babies bottom.> > BUT…the rudder did have 10 blisters which oozed a> drop or two when punctured. > > Fargo> F30 #12> > — Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:> > > If you blasted off the existing blisters, leaving> > the
remaining ‘good’ gelcoat in place in stead of> > peeling or blasting > > off the entire gelcoat, you probably will develop> > blisters in the > > remaining gelcoat, whether you put on epoxy or> not. > > I guess you’d > > better take off all the gelcoat and after drying> the> > laminate, put > > on an epoxy sealing layer. If you have no time> now,> > go to Florida > > without anything brushed on your bottom. The free> > acids will be > > flushed out of the laminate and you can let the> hull> > dry out in the > > warm climate down south. Then put on an epoxy> > coating.> > > > cheers,> > michel> > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,> “fargo_r”> > <fargo_r@y…> > > wrote:> > >> >
I have read all of the posts on the Syntron> shaft> > seal…with> > > curiosity…and dismay. I think it was a good> > technical choice in > > the> > > beginning…but may have been too different from> > normal to get> > > appropriate care. The frequent addition of a> zerk> > fitting, sitting> > > there begging for grease, sent many users off in> > the wrong > > direction> > > (although I can see that this sometime worked> > out). The seal was> > > clearly never meant to be greased…but does> need> > cooling. > > > > > > Now I have to deal with a 19 year old greased> > Syntron seal on our> > > “new” F30 in preparation for sailing and> motoring> > south from New> > > England to Miami. The boat is dry right>
now…having been soda > > blasted> > > back to the beautiful blister free gelcoat…so> I> > want to check > > the> > > seal this week. A 3 or 4 week wait for FMC to> make> > a new one is not> > > possible for us. > > > > > > Any suggestions on disassembly? Can it be safely> > inspected and> > > returned to service? > > > > > > I found the post showing the FMC drawings…but> no> > instructions for> > > taking it appart. One note on the web suggests> > that taking it > > appart> > > will ruin it. > > > > > > Also, any final advise from the experienced on> > whether to epoxy > > seal> > > the bottom or not? We start expect to get back> to> > the bottom
on > > Monday.> > > > > > Fargo Rousseau> > > F30 #12, NARISA> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson> Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing > > ---------------------------------> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web.> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email> to:> freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the> Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ---------------------------------> > > >
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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Thank you, Andre:
Yes… we gently soda blasted the bottom to remove 19
years of bottom paint and hand sanded down to smooth
gelcoat. Now plan to bottom paint without any
additional epoxy sealing layer…EXCEPT on the
rudder. The rudder had about 12 blisters of varios
sizes which I drilled out, dried, primed and filled
with epoxy…and then sealed the whole rudder with
Interprotect 2000E. Any advice on antifouling paint?
We are looking at VIVID…
Fargo
— andre laviolette <andrelaviolette@…> wrote:
Hi again.
Sorry for the delay in responding. Just got back to
Fla. for Wilma !
What you have done , removing the layers of paint,
is fine. After a LIGHT sanding of gelcoat , because
you have no blisters, just repaint the antifoul. The
vinyl ester skin coat IS your blister protection.
Andre
Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:
Andre:
We have already removed the old layers of
antifouling
paint and gently hand sanded the bottom gelcoat
smooth…just removing the blue stain from the
orginal
coat of antifouling paint. We have not removed any
gelcoat and have not reached the vinylester layer
under the gelcoat.
Please give me an idea why you think this will ruin
the bottom. We were trying to get rid of 19 years of
accumulated paint that was pealing and very bumpy.
Thanks for your note.
Fargo
F30#12
— andre laviolette <andrelaviolette@…>
wrote:
Hi.
Because you have Vinylester bottom resin on skin
coat you should not touch it. It is fine now and
should remain that way. Removing bottom paint and
gelcoat will ruin it. Do spot grind and fill the
rudder blisters with marine tex. See what
devellops
in time.
Andre, " Scaramanga" President , Superior
Fiberglass Ltd.
Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:
Michel:
Sorry I was not clear about the soda blasting
results.
There were no blisters on the bottom. I was told
by
a
member of this group (confirmed by my Freedom
owners
manual) that this bottom was built with vinylester
resin. We have very carefully inpsected every
square
inch of the bottom and it is smooth a babies
bottom.
BUT…the rudder did have 10 blisters which oozed a
drop or two when punctured.
Fargo
F30 #12
— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:
If you blasted off the existing blisters,
leaving
the
remaining ‘good’ gelcoat in place in stead of
peeling or blasting
off the entire gelcoat, you probably will
develop
blisters in the
remaining gelcoat, whether you put on epoxy or
not.
I guess you’d
better take off all the gelcoat and after drying
the
laminate, put
on an epoxy sealing layer. If you have no time
now,
go to Florida
without anything brushed on your bottom. The
free
acids will be
flushed out of the laminate and you can let the
hull
dry out in the
warm climate down south. Then put on an epoxy
coating.
cheers,
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fargo_r”
<fargo_r@y…>
wrote:
I have read all of the posts on the Syntron
shaft
seal…with
curiosity…and dismay. I think it was a good
technical choice in
the
beginning…but may have been too different
from
normal to get
appropriate care. The frequent addition of a
zerk
fitting, sitting
there begging for grease, sent many users off
in
the wrong
direction
(although I can see that this sometime worked
out). The seal was
clearly never meant to be greased…but does
need
cooling.
Now I have to deal with a 19 year old greased
Syntron seal on our
“new” F30 in preparation for sailing and
motoring
south from New
England to Miami. The boat is dry right
now…having been soda
blasted
back to the beautiful blister free
gelcoat…so
I
want to check
the
seal this week. A 3 or 4 week wait for FMC to
make
a new one is not
possible for us.
Any suggestions on disassembly? Can it be
safely
inspected and
returned to service?
I found the post showing the FMC
drawings…but
no
instructions for
taking it appart. One note on the web
suggests
that taking it
appart
will ruin it.
Also, any final advise from the experienced on
whether to epoxy
seal
the bottom or not? We start expect to get
back
to
the bottom on
Monday.
Fargo Rousseau
F30 #12, NARISA
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Hey Fargo.
Scaramanga and I survived Hurricane Wilma. Loose pontoon boat hit me and caused a few scratches and two chips on rudder. It hit two other boats before flipping over in the canal ! Saw two boats loose in waterway ! two others hanging by a stern line. One was a 50 foot cigarette boat.
Good luck with your work. Sounds good. Bottom paint is a matter of what works in YOUR area.
Stay safe,
AndreFargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:
Thank you, Andre:Yes… we gently soda blasted the bottom to remove 19years of bottom paint and hand sanded down to smoothgelcoat. Now plan to bottom paint without anyadditional epoxy sealing layer…EXCEPT on therudder. The rudder had about 12 blisters of variossizes which I drilled out, dried, primed and filledwith epoxy…and then sealed the whole rudder withInterprotect 2000E. Any advice on antifouling paint? We are looking at VIVID…Fargo— andre laviolette <andrelaviolette@…> wrote:> Hi again.> > Sorry for the delay in responding. Just got back to> Fla. for Wilma !> What you have done , removing the layers of paint,> is fine. After a LIGHT sanding of gelcoat , because> you have no blisters, just repaint the antifoul. The> vinyl ester skin
coat IS your blister protection.> > Andre> > Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:> Andre:> > We have already removed the old layers of> antifouling> paint and gently hand sanded the bottom gelcoat> smooth…just removing the blue stain from the> orginal> coat of antifouling paint. We have not removed any> gelcoat and have not reached the vinylester layer> under the gelcoat. > Please give me an idea why you think this will ruin> the bottom. We were trying to get rid of 19 years of> accumulated paint that was pealing and very bumpy. > > Thanks for your note.> > Fargo> F30#12> > — andre laviolette <andrelaviolette@…>> wrote:> > > Hi.> > > > Because you have Vinylester bottom resin on skin> > coat you should not touch
it. It is fine now and> > should remain that way. Removing bottom paint and> > gelcoat will ruin it. Do spot grind and fill the> > rudder blisters with marine tex. See what> devellops> > in time.> > > > Andre, " Scaramanga" President , Superior> > Fiberglass Ltd.> > > > > > > > Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:> > Michel:> > > > Sorry I was not clear about the soda blasting> > results.> > There were no blisters on the bottom. I was told> by> > a> > member of this group (confirmed by my Freedom> owners> > manual) that this bottom was built with vinylester> > resin. We have very carefully inpsected every> square> > inch of the bottom and it is smooth a babies> bottom.>
BUT…the rudder did have 10 blisters which oozed a> > drop or two when punctured. > > > > Fargo> > F30 #12> > > > — Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:> > > > > If you blasted off the existing blisters,> leaving> > > the > > > remaining ‘good’ gelcoat in place in stead of> > > peeling or blasting > > > off the entire gelcoat, you probably will> develop> > > blisters in the > > > remaining gelcoat, whether you put on epoxy or> > not. > > > I guess you’d > > > better take off all the gelcoat and after drying> > the> > > laminate, put > > > on an epoxy sealing layer. If you have no time> > now,> > > go to Florida > > > without anything brushed on your bottom. The>
free> > > acids will be > > > flushed out of the laminate and you can let the> > hull> > > dry out in the > > > warm climate down south. Then put on an epoxy> > > coating.> > > > > > cheers,> > > michel> > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,> > “fargo_r”> > > <fargo_r@y…> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > I have read all of the posts on the Syntron> > shaft> > > seal…with> > > > curiosity…and dismay. I think it was a good> > > technical choice in > > > the> > > > beginning…but may have been too different> from> > > normal to get> > > > appropriate care. The frequent addition of a> > zerk> > > fitting, sitting>
there begging for grease, sent many users off> in> > > the wrong > > > direction> > > > (although I can see that this sometime worked> > > out). The seal was> > > > clearly never meant to be greased…but does> > need> > > cooling. > > > > > > > > Now I have to deal with a 19 year old greased> > > Syntron seal on our> > > > “new” F30 in preparation for sailing and> > motoring> > > south from New> > > > England to Miami. The boat is dry right> > > now…having been soda > > > blasted> > > > back to the beautiful blister free> gelcoat…so> > I> > > want to check > > > the> > > > seal this week. A 3 or 4 week wait for FMC to> > make> > > a new one is
not> > > > possible for us. > > > > > > > > Any suggestions on disassembly? Can it be> safely> > > inspected and> > > > returned to service? > > > > > > > > I found the post showing the FMC> drawings…but> > no> > > instructions for> > > > taking it appart. One note on the web> suggests> > > that taking it > > > appart> > > > will ruin it. > > > > > > > > Also, any final advise from the experienced on> > > whether to epoxy > > > seal> > > > the bottom or not? We start expect to get> back> > to> > > the bottom on > > > Monday.> > > > > > > > Fargo Rousseau> > > > F30 #12, NARISA>
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