Re: F-33 has an outboard rudder post

Posted by mike_c_f35ck (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

Tom, Ketch 22 has an inboard rudder post and quadrant, UNlike the F33
where all rudder parts are above decks, and largely open to sea
water. An inboard pilot as the AH6000 cannot be mounted there. The
parts are not corrosion proof or water tight - unfortunately.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Ketch 22 <ketch_22@e…>
wrote:

Not sure about the F33, but I have an Autohelm 6000 on Ketch 22, an
F39. Just sailed from California to Hawaii and back over a 2 month
period. The Autohelm was on very close to 24 hours a day, in all
different kinds of conditions, including 35 knot winds and 16 foot
seas. It worked fine under all conditions.

Tom
Ketch 22

-----Original Message-----
From: mike_c_f35ck <mike_c_f35ck@y…>
Sent: Aug 24, 2004 1:31 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 Autopilot

I agree, all these claims about torque are maybe true, but not on a

> real sea with wave action against our barndoor rudder. After
> continuous trouble with my then new Simrad WP30 with 80 Nm torque
> (Autohelms and all the others have only 50 Nm)I mounted my ancient
> autohelm 4000 again which is still good for light winds and motoring,
> and invested in a Voyager windvane. Costs a few $ and you have a
> contraption on your transom, but it really works in strong winds and
> is a beautiful piece of engineering.
>
> Regards,
> mike
> UK F33 #033 Tumlare
>
>
> --- In , Frank Minelli
> wrote:
> > Thomas,
> >
> > After much fooling around with drive belts and such, which I found
> to be woefully inadequate for the Freddom 33, I installed an
> electerically driven hyraulic system.
> >
> > I had started out with a Autohelm 3000, which was advertised as
> being good up to 18000 lbs displacement.
> >
> > All these claims are just so much hype. Go with the strongest
> surest system you can find. (I put mine together from various
> suppliers such as Graingers)
> >
> > Thomas Carlton wrote:
> > I would appreciate thoughts on a choice for a new autopilot for a F-
> 33.
> > Thanks.
> > Thomas
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Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)

I am not familiar with the F33, but on my F44, I installed Autohelm 7001+ 400G with hydraulic cylinder attached to the quadrant, which is exposed to weather and will see sea water at higher speeds and following seas. In 6 months, no problems and it seems to handle the steering problem well. Of course, there is a learning curve and tuning issues but the auto learn feature really helps. The documentation could be a little better with a little better explanation of how different adjustments work.

If you want further stuff and a photo of the cylinder, let me know at the below address.

Brian Guptil http://www.brigup.com206-818-3203 sailordude@…1735 112th Ave. N.E.Bellevue, WA. 98004-3706

----- Original Message -----
From: mike_c_f35ck
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 has an outboard rudder post
Tom, Ketch 22 has an inboard rudder post and quadrant, UNlike the F33 where all rudder parts are above decks, and largely open to sea water. An inboard pilot as the AH6000 cannot be mounted there. The parts are not corrosion proof or water tight - unfortunately.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Ketch 22 <ketch_22@e…> wrote:> Not sure about the F33, but I have an Autohelm 6000 on Ketch 22, an F39. Just sailed from California to Hawaii and back over a 2 month period. The Autohelm was on very close to 24 hours a day, in all different kinds of conditions, including 35 knot winds and 16 foot seas. It worked fine under all conditions. > > Tom> Ketch 22> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: mike_c_f35ck <mike_c_f35ck@y…>> Sent: Aug 24, 2004 1:31 AM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 Autopilot> > > > > > I agree, all these claims about torque are maybe true, but not on a
> real sea with wave action against our barndoor rudder. After
> continuous trouble with my then new Simrad WP30 with 80 Nm torque
> (Autohelms and all the others have only 50 Nm)I mounted my ancient
> autohelm 4000 again which is still good for light winds and motoring,
> and invested in a Voyager windvane. Costs a few $ and you have a
> contraption on your transom, but it really works in strong winds and
> is a beautiful piece of engineering.
>
> Regards,
> mike
> UK F33 #033 Tumlare
>
>
> — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Frank Minelli <myslo@y…>
> wrote:
> > Thomas,
> >
> > After much fooling around with drive belts and such, which I found
> to be woefully inadequate for the Freddom 33, I installed an
> electerically driven hyraulic system.
> >
> > I had started out with a Autohelm 3000, which was advertised as
> being good up to 18000 lbs displacement.
> >
> > All these claims are just so much hype. Go with the strongest
> surest system you can find. (I put mine together from various
> suppliers such as Graingers)
> >
> > Thomas Carlton <Finesse@s…> wrote:
> > I would appreciate thoughts on a choice for a new autopilot for a F-
> 33.
> > Thanks.
> > Thomas
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Posted by Ketch 22 (ketch_22@…>)

That’s correct. The AH 6000 is a below decks unit, not intended to be exposed
to the elements.

tm

-----Original Message-----
From: mike_c_f35ck <mike_c_f35ck@…>
Sent: Aug 25, 2004 2:48 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 has an outboard rudder post

\ \ Tom, Ketch 22 has an inboard rudder post and quadrant, UNlike the F33
where all rudder parts are above decks, and largely open to sea
water. An inboard pilot as the AH6000 cannot be mounted there. The
parts are not corrosion proof or water tight - unfortunately.

--- In , Ketch 22
wrote:
> Not sure about the F33, but I have an Autohelm 6000 on Ketch 22, an
F39. Just sailed from California to Hawaii and back over a 2 month
period. The Autohelm was on very close to 24 hours a day, in all
different kinds of conditions, including 35 knot winds and 16 foot
seas. It worked fine under all conditions.
>
> Tom
> Ketch 22
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike_c_f35ck
> Sent: Aug 24, 2004 1:31 AM
> To:
> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 Autopilot
>
>
>
>
>
> I agree, all these claims about torque are maybe true, but not on a


> real sea with wave action against our barndoor rudder. After

> continuous trouble with my then new Simrad WP30 with 80 Nm torque


> (Autohelms and all the others have only 50 Nm)I mounted my ancient


> autohelm 4000 again which is still good for light winds and
motoring,

> and invested in a Voyager windvane. Costs a few $ and you have a


> contraption on your transom, but it really works in strong winds
and

> is a beautiful piece of engineering.

>

> Regards,

> mike

> UK F33 #033 Tumlare

>

>

> --- In , Frank Minelli


> wrote:

> > Thomas,

> >

> > After much fooling around with drive belts and such, which I
found

> to be woefully inadequate for the Freddom 33, I installed an

> electerically driven hyraulic system.

> >

> > I had started out with a Autohelm 3000, which was advertised as


> being good up to 18000 lbs displacement.

> >

> > All these claims are just so much hype. Go with the strongest


> surest system you can find. (I put mine together from various

> suppliers such as Graingers)

> >

> > Thomas Carlton wrote:

> > I would appreciate thoughts on a choice for a new autopilot for a
F-

> 33.

> > Thanks.

> > Thomas

> >

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Posted by mike_c_f35ck (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

Brian,

Question to you:

How do you combine mechanical steering and a hydraulic autopilot? Or
do you have hydraulic steering on you F44? In that case it’s easy to
combine the two (steering and autopilot on one hydraulic cylinder.

I unsuccesfully tried to figure out a system to combine
rack/pinion/rod steering with a hydraulic autopilot actuator
cylinder, but could not find a solution for a quick release of the
hydraulic cylinder or a waterproof, easily operated bypass valve
close to the cylinder(out in the open, therefore). I don’t want to
have to push oil in the autopilot actuator cylinder up and down while
hand steering.

Now i’m happy with my voyager windvane steering combined with an old
AH4000.

mike


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Brian Guptil”
<sailordude@b…> wrote:

I am not familiar with the F33, but on my F44, I installed Autohelm
7001+ 400G with hydraulic cylinder attached to the quadrant, which is
exposed to weather and will see sea water at higher speeds and
following seas. In 6 months, no problems and it seems to handle the
steering problem well. Of course, there is a learning curve and
tuning issues but the auto learn feature really helps. The
documentation could be a little better with a little better
explanation of how different adjustments work.

If you want further stuff and a photo of the cylinder, let me know
at the below address.

Brian Guptil http://www.brigup.com
206-818-3203 sailordude@b…
1735 112th Ave. N.E.
Bellevue, WA. 98004-3706

----- Original Message -----
From: mike_c_f35ck
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 has an outboard rudder post

Tom, Ketch 22 has an inboard rudder post and quadrant, UNlike the
F33
where all rudder parts are above decks, and largely open to sea
water. An inboard pilot as the AH6000 cannot be mounted there.
The
parts are not corrosion proof or water tight - unfortunately.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Ketch 22
<ketch_22@e…>
wrote:

Not sure about the F33, but I have an Autohelm 6000 on Ketch
22, an
F39. Just sailed from California to Hawaii and back over a 2
month
period. The Autohelm was on very close to 24 hours a day, in all
different kinds of conditions, including 35 knot winds and 16
foot
seas. It worked fine under all conditions.

Tom
Ketch 22

-----Original Message-----
From: mike_c_f35ck <mike_c_f35ck@y…>
Sent: Aug 24, 2004 1:31 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 Autopilot

I agree, all these claims about torque are maybe true, but not

on a


> real sea with wave action against our barndoor rudder. After

> > continuous trouble with my then new Simrad WP30 with 80 Nm torque >
> > (Autohelms and all the others have only 50 Nm)I mounted my ancient >
> > autohelm 4000 again which is still good for light winds and > motoring,
> > and invested in a Voyager windvane. Costs a few $ and you have a >
> > contraption on your transom, but it really works in strong winds > and
> > is a beautiful piece of engineering.
> >
> > Regards,
> > mike
> > UK F33 #033 Tumlare
> >
> >
> > --- In , Frank Minelli >
> > wrote:
> > > Thomas,
> > >
> > > After much fooling around with drive belts and such, which I > found
> > to be woefully inadequate for the Freddom 33, I installed an
> > electerically driven hyraulic system.
> > >
> > > I had started out with a Autohelm 3000, which was advertised as >
> > being good up to 18000 lbs displacement.
> > >
> > > All these claims are just so much hype. Go with the strongest >
> > surest system you can find. (I put mine together from various
> > suppliers such as Graingers)
> > >
> > > Thomas Carlton wrote:
> > > I would appreciate thoughts on a choice for a new autopilot for a > F-
> > 33.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Thomas
> > >
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Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)

Mike:
I have a stock cable,pulley,quadrant system with the quadrant mounted in a recess in the cockpit floor, exposed to weather and sea from backwash up the cockpit drains. The cylinder attaches to the (stock) quadrant and has a by-pass (normally open) valve across the lines form the pump. The pump and by-pass valve are below decks. The added drag on the steering is not as bad as I had expected and if needed, I can disconnect the cylinder from the quadrant though that has not been necessary. There are lots of cylinders out there, stainless, bronze and other. Often they are exposed to rather harsh environment of dirt, mud and otherwise.

So I end up with combined standard cable and a mostly independent hydraulic, sharing only the quadrant on the way to the rudder. So far the cylinder is weathering just fine. I do rinse the cylinder with fresh water when available.

I can take a photo and send it directly to you if you wish.

Brian Guptil http://www.brigup.com206-818-3203 sailordude@…1735 112th Ave. N.E.Bellevue, WA. 98004-3706

----- Original Message -----
From: mike_c_f35ck
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 has an outboard rudder post
Brian,Question to you: How do you combine mechanical steering and a hydraulic autopilot? Or do you have hydraulic steering on you F44? In that case it’s easy to combine the two (steering and autopilot on one hydraulic cylinder.I unsuccesfully tried to figure out a system to combine rack/pinion/rod steering with a hydraulic autopilot actuator cylinder, but could not find a solution for a quick release of the hydraulic cylinder or a waterproof, easily operated bypass valve close to the cylinder(out in the open, therefore). I don’t want to have to push oil in the autopilot actuator cylinder up and down while hand steering.Now i’m happy with my voyager windvane steering combined with an old AH4000.mike— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Brian Guptil” <sailordude@b…> wrote:> I am not familiar with the F33, but on my F44, I installed Autohelm 7001+ 400G with hydraulic cylinder attached to the quadrant, which is exposed to weather and will see sea water at higher speeds and following seas. In 6 months, no problems and it seems to handle the steering problem well. Of course, there is a learning curve and tuning issues but the auto learn feature really helps. The documentation could be a little better with a little better explanation of how different adjustments work.> > If you want further stuff and a photo of the cylinder, let me know at the below address.> > Brian Guptil http://www.brigup.com> 206-818-3203 sailordude@b…> 1735 112th Ave. N.E.> Bellevue, WA. 98004-3706> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mike_c_f35ck > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:48 AM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 has an outboard rudder post> > > Tom, Ketch 22 has an inboard rudder post and quadrant, UNlike the F33 > where all rudder parts are above decks, and largely open to sea > water. An inboard pilot as the AH6000 cannot be mounted there. The > parts are not corrosion proof or water tight - unfortunately.> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Ketch 22 <ketch_22@e…> > wrote:> > Not sure about the F33, but I have an Autohelm 6000 on Ketch 22, an > F39. Just sailed from California to Hawaii and back over a 2 month > period. The Autohelm was on very close to 24 hours a day, in all > different kinds of conditions, including 35 knot winds and 16 foot > seas. It worked fine under all conditions. > > > > Tom> > Ketch 22> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: mike_c_f35ck <mike_c_f35ck@y…>> > Sent: Aug 24, 2004 1:31 AM> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F-33 Autopilot> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, all these claims about torque are maybe true, but not on a >
> > real sea with wave action against our barndoor rudder. After
> > continuous trouble with my then new Simrad WP30 with 80 Nm torque >
> > (Autohelms and all the others have only 50 Nm)I mounted my ancient >
> > autohelm 4000 again which is still good for light winds and > motoring,
> > and invested in a Voyager windvane. Costs a few $ and you have a >
> > contraption on your transom, but it really works in strong winds > and
> > is a beautiful piece of engineering.
> >
> > Regards,
> > mike
> > UK F33 #033 Tumlare
> >
> >
> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Frank Minelli > <myslo@y…>
> > wrote:
> > > Thomas,
> > >
> > > After much fooling around with drive belts and such, which I > found
> > to be woefully inadequate for the Freddom 33, I installed an
> > electerically driven hyraulic system.
> > >
> > > I had started out with a Autohelm 3000, which was advertised as >
> > being good up to 18000 lbs displacement.
> > >
> > > All these claims are just so much hype. Go with the strongest >
> > surest system you can find. (I put mine together from various
> > suppliers such as Graingers)
> > >
> > > Thomas Carlton <Finesse@s…> wrote:
> > > I would appreciate thoughts on a choice for a new autopilot for a > F-
> > 33.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Thomas
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