Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
Mike,
Best results seem to be with the tack to lee’ard of the centre line (we haved
two pairs
of padeyes on the coachroof), with the apparent wind between 40 and 90 degrees.
Sheet to a snatch block on the toerail level with the wheel. After that, we try
and get
the main out by the lee, and set a bigger stays’l in light airs, or none if the
apparent
wind is more than about 10-12 knots (5-6 m/s).
Regards,
Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel” <mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Hi Gerald,
I have a similar set of 3 staysails as you have. I had the snuffer
for the mizzen spi made because I used to singlehand a lot, also
singlehanded races around the buoys. In that situation it’s quite
handy to have the mizzen spinaker up until close to the turning mark,
pull the snuffer down, gibe or round up to the new course and then
take the spinaker and shuffer down at leisure.
I must say I’ve never been able to get the blade staysail working
efficiently, I’m still working on that.
Regards,
Mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
Laurens,
We have rather more stays’ls than we can use at present, of varying
sizes. The largest,
like a cruising chute, tacks at the toerail for’ard of the main,
sheets to a block on the
end of the mizzen boom and has a very wide cut head. You may see a
picture of it if
you come across any old adds for Freedom Yachts UK. The smallest is
almost a blade,
and is very good when close hauled on a long board. We got a new
one made
recently: it is back at the sail loft (Nicolson-Hughes, in
Scotland) for alterations. If you
ask, they should have the measurements: we think it should have
been fuller in the
head (which they can’t fix afterward) and have a light rope luff,
not the wire they put
in (which they are changing).
With respect to Mike, we have never felt the need for a snuffer.
Deck work on the F35
is so easy with two of a crew that we just pull it down staight
into the sail bag.
The intermediate stays’l is now a bit baggy (it’s been across the
Atlantic more than
once, including the 15days 16 hrs run mentioned recently, I
believe), but is a good
size and easy to manage. The UK Freedom literature shows the
approximate sizes in a
drawing of the sail plan and hull elevation.
These sails make a real diference in light to moderate airs,
especially for wishbone
sailors with reduced sails area compared to single ply fully
battened types.
Regards,
Gerald & Lynda Freshwater,
“Castaway”
Shetland Isles
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Laurens,
I don’t have the exact size of my own staysails (I have two plus
a
mizzen spinaker), but someone posted these sizes for F33 tall rig
staysails here:
Large: luff 38’0", leech 31’6", foot 24’0", area 35 m2
Small: luff 34’6", leech 32’0", foot 8’6" area 13 m2
If you have no staysails at all at this moment, I would go for a
mizzen genaker, area would be about 40-45 m2, much more belly
than
that large staysail, made of spinaker cloth. And don’f forget to
have
a sock made to hoist and douse it.
regards, mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, laurens visser
<laurensvisser@y…> wrote:
LS
I’m looking to purchase a Staysail for my 1981 F35 (33).
Does anyone have recommendations regarding Design, Size,
Material ?
Cheers,
Laurens
Pen-Ar IJmuiden Holland
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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)
Thanks Gerald, this is very useful advice. We also have the 4
padeyes.
One more question: Do you set the blade staysail with the tack
directly above the padeye or do you set the tack higher up?
thanks
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
Mike,
Best results seem to be with the tack to lee’ard of the centre line
(we haved two pairs
of padeyes on the coachroof), with the apparent wind between 40 and
90 degrees.
Sheet to a snatch block on the toerail level with the wheel. After
that, we try and get
the main out by the lee, and set a bigger stays’l in light airs, or
none if the apparent
wind is more than about 10-12 knots (5-6 m/s).
Regards,
Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Hi Gerald,
I have a similar set of 3 staysails as you have. I had the
snuffer
for the mizzen spi made because I used to singlehand a lot, also
singlehanded races around the buoys. In that situation it’s
quite
handy to have the mizzen spinaker up until close to the turning
mark,
pull the snuffer down, gibe or round up to the new course and
then
take the spinaker and shuffer down at leisure.
I must say I’ve never been able to get the blade staysail working
efficiently, I’m still working on that.
Regards,
Mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
Laurens,
We have rather more stays’ls than we can use at present, of
varying
sizes. The largest,
like a cruising chute, tacks at the toerail for’ard of the
main,
sheets to a block on the
end of the mizzen boom and has a very wide cut head. You may
see a
picture of it if
you come across any old adds for Freedom Yachts UK. The
smallest is
almost a blade,
and is very good when close hauled on a long board. We got a
new
one made
recently: it is back at the sail loft (Nicolson-Hughes, in
Scotland) for alterations. If you
ask, they should have the measurements: we think it should have
been fuller in the
head (which they can’t fix afterward) and have a light rope
luff,
not the wire they put
in (which they are changing).
With respect to Mike, we have never felt the need for a
snuffer.
Deck work on the F35
is so easy with two of a crew that we just pull it down staight
into the sail bag.
The intermediate stays’l is now a bit baggy (it’s been across
the
Atlantic more than
once, including the 15days 16 hrs run mentioned recently, I
believe), but is a good
size and easy to manage. The UK Freedom literature shows the
approximate sizes in a
drawing of the sail plan and hull elevation.
These sails make a real diference in light to moderate airs,
especially for wishbone
sailors with reduced sails area compared to single ply fully
battened types.
Regards,
Gerald & Lynda Freshwater,
“Castaway”
Shetland Isles
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Laurens,
I don’t have the exact size of my own staysails (I have two
plus
a
mizzen spinaker), but someone posted these sizes for F33 tall
rig
staysails here:
Large: luff 38’0", leech 31’6", foot 24’0", area 35 m2
Small: luff 34’6", leech 32’0", foot 8’6" area 13 m2
If you have no staysails at all at this moment, I would go
for a
mizzen genaker, area would be about 40-45 m2, much more belly
than
that large staysail, made of spinaker cloth. And don’f forget
to
have
a sock made to hoist and douse it.
regards, mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, laurens visser
<laurensvisser@y…> wrote:
LS
I’m looking to purchase a Staysail for my 1981 F35 (33).
Does anyone have recommendations regarding Design, Size,
Material ?
Cheers,
Laurens
Pen-Ar IJmuiden Holland
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Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
About 20-30cm above the eye: this is what the previous owner used (a very keen
and
succesful racer!). We aren’t so keen. We’ve only raced twice, first time we won
hands
down, second time we were second across the finish line, but were disqualified
for
still being tied to the dock when the start gun went (we had only got in from
Norway
at midnight the previous night). Both times the staysails gave us an unbeatable
advantage compared to ordinary racing sloops with full crews in a twenty mile
race
round another island. There’s something about having lunch for two in the
cockpit
whilst overhauling six blokes fighting their own spinnaker to the death, as it
seemed!
Sounds like a lot of boasting, but actually it’s the boat, not us.
Regards,
Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel” <mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Thanks Gerald, this is very useful advice. We also have the 4
padeyes.
One more question: Do you set the blade staysail with the tack
directly above the padeye or do you set the tack higher up?
thanks
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
Mike,
Best results seem to be with the tack to lee’ard of the centre line
(we haved two pairs
of padeyes on the coachroof), with the apparent wind between 40 and
90 degrees.
Sheet to a snatch block on the toerail level with the wheel. After
that, we try and get
the main out by the lee, and set a bigger stays’l in light airs, or
none if the apparent
wind is more than about 10-12 knots (5-6 m/s).
Regards,
Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Hi Gerald,
I have a similar set of 3 staysails as you have. I had the
snuffer
for the mizzen spi made because I used to singlehand a lot, also
singlehanded races around the buoys. In that situation it’s
quite
handy to have the mizzen spinaker up until close to the turning
mark,
pull the snuffer down, gibe or round up to the new course and
then
take the spinaker and shuffer down at leisure.
I must say I’ve never been able to get the blade staysail working
efficiently, I’m still working on that.
Regards,
Mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
Laurens,
We have rather more stays’ls than we can use at present, of
varying
sizes. The largest,
like a cruising chute, tacks at the toerail for’ard of the
main,
sheets to a block on the
end of the mizzen boom and has a very wide cut head. You may
see a
picture of it if
you come across any old adds for Freedom Yachts UK. The
smallest is
almost a blade,
and is very good when close hauled on a long board. We got a
new
one made
recently: it is back at the sail loft (Nicolson-Hughes, in
Scotland) for alterations. If you
ask, they should have the measurements: we think it should have
been fuller in the
head (which they can’t fix afterward) and have a light rope
luff,
not the wire they put
in (which they are changing).
With respect to Mike, we have never felt the need for a
snuffer.
Deck work on the F35
is so easy with two of a crew that we just pull it down staight
into the sail bag.
The intermediate stays’l is now a bit baggy (it’s been across
the
Atlantic more than
once, including the 15days 16 hrs run mentioned recently, I
believe), but is a good
size and easy to manage. The UK Freedom literature shows the
approximate sizes in a
drawing of the sail plan and hull elevation.
These sails make a real diference in light to moderate airs,
especially for wishbone
sailors with reduced sails area compared to single ply fully
battened types.
Regards,
Gerald & Lynda Freshwater,
“Castaway”
Shetland Isles
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Laurens,
I don’t have the exact size of my own staysails (I have two
plus
a
mizzen spinaker), but someone posted these sizes for F33 tall
rig
staysails here:
Large: luff 38’0", leech 31’6", foot 24’0", area 35 m2
Small: luff 34’6", leech 32’0", foot 8’6" area 13 m2
If you have no staysails at all at this moment, I would go
for a
mizzen genaker, area would be about 40-45 m2, much more belly
than
that large staysail, made of spinaker cloth. And don’f forget
to
have
a sock made to hoist and douse it.
regards, mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, laurens visser
<laurensvisser@y…> wrote:
LS
I’m looking to purchase a Staysail for my 1981 F35 (33).
Does anyone have recommendations regarding Design, Size,
Material ?
Cheers,
Laurens
Pen-Ar IJmuiden Holland
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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)
Yes, I’ve had a similar ‘six blokes’ experience!
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
About 20-30cm above the eye: this is what the previous owner used
(a very keen and
succesful racer!). We aren’t so keen. We’ve only raced twice, first
time we won hands
down, second time we were second across the finish line, but were
disqualified for
still being tied to the dock when the start gun went (we had only
got in from Norway
at midnight the previous night). Both times the staysails gave us
an unbeatable
advantage compared to ordinary racing sloops with full crews in a
twenty mile race
round another island. There’s something about having lunch for two
in the cockpit
whilst overhauling six blokes fighting their own spinnaker to the
death, as it seemed!
Sounds like a lot of boasting, but actually it’s the boat, not us.
Regards,
Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Thanks Gerald, this is very useful advice. We also have the 4
padeyes.
One more question: Do you set the blade staysail with the tack
directly above the padeye or do you set the tack higher up?
thanks
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
Mike,
Best results seem to be with the tack to lee’ard of the centre
line
(we haved two pairs
of padeyes on the coachroof), with the apparent wind between 40
and
90 degrees.
Sheet to a snatch block on the toerail level with the wheel.
After
that, we try and get
the main out by the lee, and set a bigger stays’l in light
airs, or
none if the apparent
wind is more than about 10-12 knots (5-6 m/s).
Regards,
Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Hi Gerald,
I have a similar set of 3 staysails as you have. I had the
snuffer
for the mizzen spi made because I used to singlehand a lot,
also
singlehanded races around the buoys. In that situation it’s
quite
handy to have the mizzen spinaker up until close to the
turning
mark,
pull the snuffer down, gibe or round up to the new course and
then
take the spinaker and shuffer down at leisure.
I must say I’ve never been able to get the blade staysail
working
efficiently, I’m still working on that.
Regards,
Mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@z…> wrote:
Laurens,
We have rather more stays’ls than we can use at present, of
varying
sizes. The largest,
like a cruising chute, tacks at the toerail for’ard of the
main,
sheets to a block on the
end of the mizzen boom and has a very wide cut head. You
may
see a
picture of it if
you come across any old adds for Freedom Yachts UK. The
smallest is
almost a blade,
and is very good when close hauled on a long board. We got
a
new
one made
recently: it is back at the sail loft (Nicolson-Hughes, in
Scotland) for alterations. If you
ask, they should have the measurements: we think it should
have
been fuller in the
head (which they can’t fix afterward) and have a light rope
luff,
not the wire they put
in (which they are changing).
With respect to Mike, we have never felt the need for a
snuffer.
Deck work on the F35
is so easy with two of a crew that we just pull it down
staight
into the sail bag.
The intermediate stays’l is now a bit baggy (it’s been
across
the
Atlantic more than
once, including the 15days 16 hrs run mentioned recently, I
believe), but is a good
size and easy to manage. The UK Freedom literature shows
the
approximate sizes in a
drawing of the sail plan and hull elevation.
These sails make a real diference in light to moderate
airs,
especially for wishbone
sailors with reduced sails area compared to single ply
fully
battened types.
Regards,
Gerald & Lynda Freshwater,
“Castaway”
Shetland Isles
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:
Laurens,
I don’t have the exact size of my own staysails (I have
two
plus
a
mizzen spinaker), but someone posted these sizes for F33
tall
rig
staysails here:
Large: luff 38’0", leech 31’6", foot 24’0", area 35 m2
Small: luff 34’6", leech 32’0", foot 8’6" area 13 m2
If you have no staysails at all at this moment, I would
go
for a
mizzen genaker, area would be about 40-45 m2, much more
belly
than
that large staysail, made of spinaker cloth. And don’f
forget
to
have
a sock made to hoist and douse it.
regards, mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, laurens visser
<laurensvisser@y…> wrote:
LS
I’m looking to purchase a Staysail for my 1981 F35 (33).
Does anyone have recommendations regarding Design,
Size,
Material ?
Cheers,
Laurens
Pen-Ar IJmuiden Holland
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