Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)
Thank you for the input.
I will take the elbow apart later this week.
Likewise, I will check the fuel side of the engine. I am not sure exactly which part you are referring to with the fuel pump.
I never use the electric fuel pump and it seems to run fine…or so it did.
Thanks
Scott
Girlfriend
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Posted by jsforgey (jsforgey@…>)
Help!
I have a Freedom 32 with the Yanmar 3GMF.
Last week, we motored out of Port Everglades (about 20 minutes) and
the motor started to die and then went totally dead.
No warning. It just started to go down in RPMs, then died.
We sailed for a couple hours, then I tried to start it. It coughed
and spit, then started up and spewed some really black water and
smoke…then seemed to run great. The fuel seems fine when inspected.
It ran for about 15 minutes, clear and fine sounding.
Yesterday, we motored to the Ft. Lauderdale boat show and on the way
back (about 30 minutes motoring) it repeated the same behavior. I
sailed us back down the intercoastal (testing my sailing skills) to
my slip. It restarted a bit later with the same effect. Lots of
turning over then black water, then runs fine.
Last year I had the exhaust elbow replace as it was all carbon-fouled
nearly shut.
Any ideas what is going on? Is this a symptom of a deeper, more
serious (and more expensive) issue? Anyone deal with this?
Suggestions welcomed.
Help!
Scott
Freedom 32 (Hoyt) Girlfriend
Posted by George Huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
If it’s one of the euro built motors (“e” in the serial number) then
I’d check that pesky check valve in the fuel lines (metal ones). Your
Yanmar dealer will know which one and probably be able to get you a
free replacement.
BTW If your motor won’t start right up, make sure to close the sea
cock before any prolonged cranking without starting. While you crank
your exhaust is filling up with water and that can result in a very
expensive hydro-lock of the motor. Just FYI.
George
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wrote:
Help!
I have a Freedom 32 with the Yanmar 3GMF.
Last week, we motored out of Port Everglades (about 20 minutes) and
the motor started to die and then went totally dead.No warning. It just started to go down in RPMs, then died.
We sailed for a couple hours, then I tried to start it. It coughed
and spit, then started up and spewed some really black water and
smoke…then seemed to run great. The fuel seems fine when inspected.It ran for about 15 minutes, clear and fine sounding.
Yesterday, we motored to the Ft. Lauderdale boat show and on the way
back (about 30 minutes motoring) it repeated the same behavior. I
sailed us back down the intercoastal (testing my sailing skills) to
my slip. It restarted a bit later with the same effect. Lots of
turning over then black water, then runs fine.Last year I had the exhaust elbow replace as it was all carbon-fouled
nearly shut.Any ideas what is going on? Is this a symptom of a deeper, more
serious (and more expensive) issue? Anyone deal with this?
Suggestions welcomed.Help!
Scott
Freedom 32 (Hoyt) Girlfriend
Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)
You said “the fuel seemed fine”…but what about the fuel filters?
Your fuel pump may have “gone south” as well.
Diminishing RPM’s is most likely a restriction in the inlet side of
the fuel system. If it’s not that, I’d check the mixing elbow again.
Backpressure will stop a diesel engine. You might have plenty of
water flow from the water pump and STILL be choked down at the mixing
elbow (as long as your RPMs are holding).
To add to previous advice about “liquid lock”, it’s a good idea to
run the engine at high RPM for a couple of minutes before hitting the
kill switch (in normal operation). This cuts down on “coking” on the
tops of the pistons and minimizes the amount of residual water in the
water-lift muffler.
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “jsforgey” <jsforgey@…>
wrote:
Help!
I have a Freedom 32 with the Yanmar 3GMF.
Last week, we motored out of Port Everglades (about 20 minutes) and
the motor started to die and then went totally dead.No warning. It just started to go down in RPMs, then died.
We sailed for a couple hours, then I tried to start it. It coughed
and spit, then started up and spewed some really black water and
smoke…then seemed to run great. The fuel seems fine when
inspected.It ran for about 15 minutes, clear and fine sounding.
Yesterday, we motored to the Ft. Lauderdale boat show and on the
way
back (about 30 minutes motoring) it repeated the same behavior. I
sailed us back down the intercoastal (testing my sailing skills) to
my slip. It restarted a bit later with the same effect. Lots of
turning over then black water, then runs fine.Last year I had the exhaust elbow replace as it was all carbon-
fouled
nearly shut.Any ideas what is going on? Is this a symptom of a deeper, more
serious (and more expensive) issue? Anyone deal with this?
Suggestions welcomed.Help!
Scott
Freedom 32 (Hoyt) Girlfriend
Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)
You might change fuel filters as well.
jsforgey@… wrote:
Thank you for the input.
I will take the elbow apart later this week.
Likewise, I will check the fuel side of the engine. I am not sure
exactly which part you are referring to with the fuel pump.I never use the electric fuel pump and it seems to run fine…or so it
did.Thanks
Scott
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Posted by Andrew Kinsey (captainkinsey@…>)
Scott, You might want to check your fuel supply line, as well as the filters. Over time the inner liner of the hose can breakdown and starve the engine for fuel. Make sure you replace the fuel line with USCG Type AI hose. The most likely cause of what you are describing is a filter situation. Good luck, Andrew jsforgey <jsforgey@…> wrote: Help!I have a Freedom 32 with the Yanmar 3GMF.Last week, we motored out of Port
Everglades (about 20 minutes) and the motor started to die and then went totally dead.No warning. It just started to go down in RPMs, then died.We sailed for a couple hours, then I tried to start it. It coughed and spit, then started up and spewed some really black water and smoke…then seemed to run great. The fuel seems fine when inspected.It ran for about 15 minutes, clear and fine sounding.Yesterday, we motored to the Ft. Lauderdale boat show and on the way back (about 30 minutes motoring) it repeated the same behavior. I sailed us back down the intercoastal (testing my sailing skills) to my slip. It restarted a bit later with the same effect. Lots of turning over then black water, then runs fine.Last year I had the exhaust elbow replace as it was all carbon-fouled nearly shut.Any ideas what is going on? Is this a symptom of a deeper, more serious (and more expensive) issue? Anyone
deal with this? Suggestions welcomed.Help!ScottFreedom 32 (Hoyt) GirlfriendAndrew KinseyCoastal Marine SurveysP.O Box 430Mattituck, NY 11952NAMS Certified Marine SurveyorSAMS Accredited Marine Surveyor #848ABYC Standards AccreditedUSCG Licensed Master, Unlimited Tonnage, Upon OceansPhone 631-298-9518Fax 631-298-5282Cell 631-807-8907 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
I had a disasterous 5 months last winter trying to find out what the problem with my fuel problem was. Took everything apart, I thought, replaced the racor etc, etc,. To make a very long story short. Someone figured it out. There was originally a small metal filter at the bottom of the pickup tube. It apparently got up to the top of the tube at the 90 degree angle and had sucked flat and couldn’t let the fuel flow properly. I was sucking fuel and air and the engine would shut off. I constantly had to bleed the engine. Anyway, when that filter came out, there has been no problem ever since. It was really hard to see in there. I thought I had taken care of cleaning out the tube-twice. Check that out. Andrew Kinsey <captainkinsey@…> wrote: Scott, You might want to check your fuel supply line, as well as the filters. Over time the inner liner of the hose can breakdown and starve the engine for fuel. Make sure you replace the fuel line with USCG Type AI hose. The most likely cause of what you are describing is a filter situation. Good luck, Andrew jsforgey <jsforgey@aol.com> wrote: Help!I have a Freedom 32 with the Yanmar 3GMF.Last week, we motored
out of Port Everglades (about 20 minutes) and the motor started to die and then went totally dead.No warning. It just started to go down in RPMs, then died.We sailed for a couple hours, then I tried to start it. It coughed and spit, then started up and spewed some really black water and smoke…then seemed to run great. The fuel seems fine when inspected.It ran for about 15 minutes, clear and fine sounding.Yesterday, we motored to the Ft. Lauderdale boat show and on the way back (about 30 minutes motoring) it repeated the same behavior. I sailed us back down the intercoastal (testing my sailing skills) to my slip. It restarted a bit later with the same effect. Lots of turning over then black water, then runs fine.Last year I had the exhaust elbow replace as it was all carbon-fouled nearly shut.Any ideas what is going on? Is this a symptom of a deeper, more serious (and more expensive)
issue? Anyone deal with this? Suggestions welcomed.Help!ScottFreedom 32 (Hoyt) GirlfriendAndrew KinseyCoastal Marine SurveysP.O Box 430Mattituck, NY 11952NAMS Certified Marine SurveyorSAMS Accredited Marine Surveyor #848ABYC Standards AccreditedUSCG Licensed Master, Unlimited Tonnage, Upon OceansPhone 631-298-9518Fax 631-298-5282Cell 631-807-8907 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Hi,
one thing that wasn’t mentioned in the thread so far is to check your
return line from the engine to the tank. Bright Star’s engine had very
similar symptoms to yours - a die out that required re-bleeding the
engine, then it’d run for a while and then die again. I blew the return
line out with an air hose, replaced the fuel filters, and never had
another problem.
Lance