Re: Re: Fuel Gauge/ how much to carry extra

Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Hi Lola:Re: How much extra fuel to carry? Well, I am not such a great fan of carrying fuel in “extra” containers…particularly on deck, lashed to the rail, etc. See lot of it…but that is the wrong place for fuel. Will admit to carrying about one gallon in a very well made container in the seat locker… and for one long offshore trip, I carried an extra 40 gallons. But for routine up and down the ICW, your lovely boat has a great range on the standard tank. If you started with a full tank…and motored 12 hours a day for three days at normal cruise power, you would have plenty of fuel to find a place to fill up on the forth day…that is more than 240 stature miles (the ones that are used in the ICW). But every three long days is a good rhythm for filling up. Hope you are enjoying your
F30.Best,Fargo— On Mon, 9/15/08, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…> wrote:From: Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Fuel GaugeTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Monday, September 15, 2008, 6:43 PM

Thanks all, I found the Gauge…1/4 full…It would be nice to install it elsewhere.BTW I looked at a boat and the guy had a plastic clear tube running up the wall to show how much water he had…I thought that was a great idea.Again thanks,Lola— On Mon, 9/15/08, James Orr <james.orr@mac. com> wrote:From: James Orr <james.orr@mac. com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Fuel GaugeTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:49 PMThe remote sending unit won’t make it
anymore accurate – but will make it easier to read. As far as trusting the reading – in my opinion, anything below a quarter tank would be grounds for
concern regardless (when taking into account tank shape, angle of heel, potential sediment on tank bottom, etc…). but, individual mileage may vary…-JimOn Sep 15, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Rick Higgens wrote:This DOES sound to good to be true. Can’t wait to get back on my boatand check it out. I hate climbing in the aft cabin, moving everythingaround to get under the flooring.
Maybe the electronic one will bemore accurate. On my boat delivery trip from RI to NC, one eveningFargo asked me to check the fuel (because he knew what a hassle it wasgoing to be to check it :-). I got my flashlight, read the gauge, over1/4 tank. I came back up and told him we had plenty until tomorrowassuming 1/4 of 20 gals meant we could go another day on that easy. We ran out that night
around 10PM in the shipping lanes on theChesapeake. I got my first try at bleeding the fuel lines below whileFargo’s wife, Nang, kept watch for freighters. The 2 sad things were Ihad 15 gals of fuel in cans stowed away, and if I’d have said 1/4 tankinstead of “we have plenty”, Fargo would have told me 1/4 tank waslike running on fumes and we’d have used our reserves!Rick F30 #12 Nauti-Belle— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, James Orr <james.orr@. …>wrote:>> The remote sending unit does mount onto the mechanical reader on the > top of the fuel tank. One can continue to use the mechanical scale on > the top of the tank even with the remote
sender installed (although as > you mention, it can be annoying). However, with the remote sending > unit, you can send the tank level reading to a tank level indicator > mounted somewhere else on the boat (i.e. mine is located next to the > main circuit panel behind the chart table – much nicer place to read > the fuel level from).> > -Jim

Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
Thank you Fargo…I am just learning…Friday I will be backing it out of slip to get fuel, then Sails up for photos, then washing down and wait to dry and put sail covers on.I’m taking little steps. Sure is a pretty boat…my teacher is very impressed with the boat…we had it going 10 knots.Lola F30— On Wed, 9/17/08, Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Fuel Gauge/ how much to carry extraTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:35 PM

Hi Lola:Re: How much extra fuel to carry? Well, I am not such a great fan of carrying fuel in “extra” containers… …particularly on deck, lashed to the rail, etc. See lot of it…but that is the wrong place for fuel. Will admit to carrying about one gallon in a very well made container in the seat locker… and for one long offshore trip, I carried an extra 40 gallons. But for routine up and down the ICW, your lovely boat has a great range on the standard tank. If you started with a full tank…and motored 12 hours a day for three days at normal cruise power, you would have plenty of fuel to find a place to fill up on
the forth day…that is more than 240 stature miles (the ones that are used in the ICW). But every three long days is a good rhythm for filling up. Hope you are enjoying your
F30.Best,Fargo— On Mon, 9/15/08, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@yahoo. com> wrote:From: Lola Jackson <lolaltd@yahoo. com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Fuel GaugeTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, September 15, 2008, 6:43 PM

Thanks all, I found the Gauge…1/4 full…It would be nice to install it elsewhere.BTW I looked at a boat and the guy had a plastic clear tube running up the wall to show how much water he had…I thought that was a great idea.Again thanks,Lola— On Mon, 9/15/08, James Orr <james.orr@mac. com> wrote:From: James Orr <james.orr@mac. com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Fuel GaugeTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:49 PMThe remote sending unit won’t make it
anymore accurate – but will make it easier to read. As far as trusting the reading – in my opinion, anything below a quarter tank would be grounds for
concern regardless (when taking into account tank shape, angle of heel, potential sediment on tank bottom, etc…). but, individual mileage may vary…-JimOn Sep 15, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Rick Higgens wrote:This DOES sound to good to be true. Can’t wait to get back on my boatand check it out. I hate climbing in the aft cabin, moving everythingaround to get under the flooring.
Maybe the electronic one will bemore accurate. On my boat delivery trip from RI to NC, one eveningFargo asked me to check the fuel (because he knew what a hassle it wasgoing to be to check it :-). I got my flashlight, read the gauge, over1/4 tank. I came back up and told him we had plenty until tomorrowassuming 1/4 of 20 gals meant we could go another day on that easy. We ran out that night
around 10PM in the shipping lanes on theChesapeake. I got my first try at bleeding the fuel lines below whileFargo’s wife, Nang, kept watch for freighters. The 2 sad things were Ihad 15 gals of fuel in cans stowed away, and if I’d have said 1/4 tankinstead of “we have plenty”, Fargo would have told me 1/4 tank waslike running on fumes and we’d have used our reserves!Rick F30 #12 Nauti-Belle— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, James Orr <james.orr@. …>wrote:>> The remote sending unit does mount onto the mechanical reader on the > top of the fuel tank. One can continue to use the mechanical scale on > the top of the tank even with the remote
sender installed (although as > you mention, it can be annoying). However, with the remote sending > unit, you can send the tank level reading to a tank level indicator > mounted somewhere else on the boat (i.e. mine is located next to the > main circuit panel behind the chart table – much nicer place to read > the fuel level from).> > -Jim


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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


Ok I will bite…let us in on your
secret! 10 knots…. was that on a trailer??? {:>)))). I wish I could
get my F30 to do 10 knots. You may want to do a speed calibration. The hull
speed is most like not more then 6 knots and planning or a good board reach I
have been able to push 7.x but not 10. Or I just thought of it that it is not
impossible if you have a very wild current in your area, current plus speed of
the boat …maybe.

Bob





From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lola Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, September 17,
2008 11:57 PM
To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Fuel Gauge/ how much to carry extra







Thank you Fargo…

I am just learning…Friday I will be backing it out of slip to get fuel,
then Sails up for photos, then washing down and wait to dry and put sail
covers on.

I’m taking little steps. Sure is a pretty boat…my teacher is very impressed
with the boat…we had it going 10 knots.

Lola F30

— On Wed, 9/17/08, Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Fargo Rousseau
<fargo_r@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Fuel Gauge/ how much to carry
extra
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:35 PM






Hi Lola:

Re: How much extra fuel to carry? Well, I am not such a great fan of
carrying fuel in “extra” containers… …particularly on deck,
lashed to the rail, etc. See lot of it…but that is the wrong place
for fuel. Will admit to carrying about one gallon in a very well made
container in the seat locker… and for one long offshore trip, I carried
an extra 40 gallons. But for routine up and down the ICW, your
lovely boat has a great range on the standard tank. If you started
with a full tank…and motored 12 hours a day for three days at normal
cruise power, you would have plenty of fuel to find a place to fill up on
the forth day…that is more than 240 stature miles (the ones that are
used in the ICW). But every three long days is a good rhythm for filling
up.

Hope you are enjoying your F30.

Best,
Fargo
— On Mon, 9/15/08, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@yahoo. com>
wrote:
From: Lola Jackson
<lolaltd@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Fuel Gauge
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 6:43 PM





Thanks all, I found the Gauge…1/4 full…It
would be nice to install it elsewhere.

BTW I looked at a boat and the guy had a plastic clear tube
running up the wall to show how much water he had…I thought that was a
great idea.

Again thanks,

Lola

— On Mon, 9/15/08, James Orr <james.orr@mac. com>
wrote:
From:
James Orr <james.orr@mac. com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Fuel Gauge
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:49 PM

The remote sending unit won’t make it anymore
accurate – but will make it easier to read. As far as trusting the
reading – in my opinion, anything below a quarter tank would be grounds
for concern regardless (when taking into account tank shape, angle of
heel, potential sediment on tank bottom, etc…). but, individual mileage
may vary…



-Jim

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On Sep 15, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Rick Higgens wrote:








This DOES sound to good to be true. Can’t wait to get back
on my boat
and check it out. I hate climbing in the aft cabin, moving everything
around to get under the flooring. Maybe the electronic one will be
more accurate. On my boat delivery trip from RI to NC, one evening
Fargo asked me
to check the fuel (because he knew what a hassle it was
going to be to check it :-). I got my flashlight, read the gauge, over
1/4 tank. I came back up and told him we had plenty until tomorrow
assuming 1/4 of 20 gals meant we could go another day on that easy.
We ran out that night around 10PM in the shipping lanes on the
Chesapeake. I
got my first try at bleeding the fuel lines below while
Fargo’s wife,
Nang, kept watch for freighters. The 2 sad things were I
had 15 gals of fuel in cans stowed away, and if I’d have said 1/4 tank
instead of “we have plenty”, Fargo would have told me 1/4 tank was
like running on fumes and we’d have used our reserves!

Rick F30 #12 Nauti-Belle

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@
yahoogroups. com, James Orr <james.orr@. …>
wrote:

The remote sending unit does mount onto the mechanical reader on the
top of the fuel tank. One can continue to use the mechanical scale
on
the top of the tank even with the remote sender installed (although
as
you mention, it can be annoying). However, with the remote sending
unit, you can send the tank level reading to a tank level indicator
mounted somewhere else on the boat (i.e. mine is located next to the
main circuit panel behind the chart table – much nicer place to
read
the fuel level from).

-Jim




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Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
Bob, I tell the truth…We were in 6 ft seas,it was a wild day…we were the only ones out there and were expecting bad weather later in day…we went out anyway,thinking we were ahead of it…WE SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE OUT…anyway the guy with me from my Marina wanted to sail my Freedom and teach me how, hes sailed all his life…and races. on Lake Mich in Summer and lives in his boat in the Marina…he has two boats…the speed read 10 knots at one point and he said unbelievable…we had the rims way in the water…I had everything put away in the boat, but we still had stuff flyin…I was getting sick…and wanted to go back, and he agreed…But I tell you my little boat was to the wind and flyinHe said later he felt responsible taking me out when there were late day warning…esp
when it was my first trip out. He was telling about the 10 knots to all when we got back.So these are fast boats, under right conditions, or I next will have that meter checked.Believe it or not , I was there.Lola F30Surprisingly I had the TV face down on the settee with bungee cords and it stayed there.— On Thu, 9/18/08, Bob Weeks <rweeks6508@…> wrote:From: Bob Weeks <rweeks6508@…>Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Fuel Gauge/ how much to carry extraTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 6:48 AM



Ok I will bite…let us in on your
secret! 10 knots…. was that on a trailer??? {:>)))). I wish I could
get my F30 to do 10 knots. You may want to do a speed calibration. The hull
speed is most like not more then 6 knots and planning or a good board reach I
have been able to push 7.x but not 10. Or I just thought of it that it is not
impossible if you have a very wild current in your area, current plus speed of
the boat …maybe. Bob



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Lola Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, September 17,
2008 11:57 PM
To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ]
Re: Fuel Gauge/ how much to carry extra






Thank you Fargo …

I am just learning…Friday I will be backing it out of slip to get fuel,
then Sails up for photos, then washing down and wait to dry and put sail
covers on.

I’m taking little steps. Sure is a pretty boat…my teacher is very impressed
with the boat…we had it going 10 knots.

Lola F30

— On Wed, 9/17/08, Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Fargo Rousseau
<fargo_r@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Fuel Gauge/ how much to carry
extra
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:35 PM





Hi Lola:

Re: How much extra fuel to carry? Well, I am not such a great fan of
carrying fuel in “extra” containers… …particularly on deck,
lashed to the rail, etc. See lot of it…but that is the wrong place
for fuel. Will admit to carrying about one gallon in a very well made
container in the seat locker… and for one long offshore trip, I carried
an extra 40 gallons. But for routine up and down the ICW, your
lovely boat has a great range on the standard tank. If you started
with a full tank…and motored 12 hours a day for three days at normal
cruise power, you would have plenty of fuel to find a place to fill up on
the forth day…that is more than 240 stature miles (the ones that are
used in the ICW). But every three long days is a good rhythm for filling
up.

Hope you are enjoying your F30.

Best,
Fargo
— On Mon, 9/15/08, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@yahoo. com>
wrote: From: Lola Jackson
<lolaltd@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Fuel Gauge
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 6:43 PM




Thanks all, I found the Gauge…1/4 full…It
would be nice to install it elsewhere.

BTW I looked at a boat and the guy had a plastic clear tube
running up the wall to show how much water he had…I thought that was a
great idea.

Again thanks,

Lola

— On Mon, 9/15/08, James Orr <james.orr@mac. com>
wrote: From:
James Orr <james.orr@mac. com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Fuel Gauge
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:49 PM
The remote sending unit won’t make it anymore
accurate – but will make it easier to read. As far as trusting the
reading – in my opinion, anything below a quarter tank would be grounds
for concern regardless (when taking into account tank shape, angle of
heel, potential sediment on tank bottom, etc…). but, individual mileage
may vary…

-Jim

On Sep 15, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Rick Higgens wrote:






This DOES sound to good to be true. Can’t wait to get back
on my boat
and check it out. I hate climbing in the aft cabin, moving everything
around to get under the flooring. Maybe the electronic one will be
more accurate. On my boat delivery trip from RI to NC, one evening
Fargo asked me
to check the fuel (because he knew what a hassle it was
going to be to check it :-). I got my flashlight, read the gauge, over
1/4 tank. I came back up and told him we had plenty until tomorrow
assuming 1/4 of 20 gals meant we could go another day on that easy.
We ran out that night around 10PM in the shipping lanes on the
Chesapeake . I
got my first try at bleeding the fuel lines below while
Fargo 's wife,
Nang, kept watch for freighters. The 2 sad things were I
had 15 gals of fuel in cans stowed away, and if I’d have said 1/4 tank
instead of “we have plenty”, Fargo would have told me 1/4 tank was
like running on fumes and we’d have used our reserves!

Rick F30 #12 Nauti-Belle

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@
yahoogroups. com, James Orr <james.orr@. …>
wrote:

The remote sending unit does mount onto the mechanical reader on the
top of the fuel tank. One can continue to use the mechanical scale
on
the top of the tank even with the remote sender installed (although
as
you mention, it can be annoying). However, with the remote sending
unit, you can send the tank level reading to a tank level indicator
mounted somewhere else on the boat (i.e. mine is located next to the
main circuit panel behind the chart table – much nicer place to
read
the fuel level from).

-Jim



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