RE: Re: Mast base rubber tubing

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Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


SNIP: “ That said, if the mast is snug on the base, sits square,
and has the
rubber tubing over the through bolt, then the design should handle
that side to side motion.”

Can anyone bring me up to speed on the aforementioned “rubber
tubing” where and what is this?

Ron
Hoyt Freedom 32
Newport RI 02840



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FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lola Jackson
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:00 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Mast base making loud creaking
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Thanks Rick, best leave alone. I thank you for your reply.

Lola

Rick Higgens <higgens@…> wrote:



Lola, this condition can happen
throughout the Freedom line of boats.
And I would guess any un-stayed mast boats. There’s a lot of mast
length and weight above the deck, and a small amount below, which
exerts tremendous power/pressure between the deck and the mast base.
That said, if the mast is snug on the base, sits square, and has the
rubber tubing over the through bolt, then the design should handle
that side to side motion. I have Fargo’s Mull F30 and the reason he
had selected the boatyard he did, the winter I bought the boat from
him was to have Paul Dennis correct this problem on this boat. I
haven’t had any problems since then (knock on wood).

If you have your mast out for any other work then inspection of the
base, mast and through-bolt would be a good idea (as well as wiring,
lights, etc).

If not, you could ask the previous owner if they ever had this
problem. A properly fitted mast shouldn’t move. While you are
talking to him, you might want to ask when the last time was that the
mast was pulled and inspected. If it’s been a long time (10+ years)
and you’ve got it on the hard anyway, it might be a good time to pull
it, have the wiring inspected, maybe upgrade the lights, and put a
couple coats of wax on it (which goes pretty fast when the mast is on
blocks).

But be aware, pulling the mast is a fair amount of work so sometimes
the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” rule applies.








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Posted by Rick Higgens (higgens@…>)

Ron, if you’ve never have your mast pulled it’s a little hard to
visualize, and I’m not sure if every Freedom uses the same system. But
on the Mull 30, the mast sits down on a molded fiberglass “plug” about
4-6" high. This “plug” has a slot running fore and aft, and the
through-bolt (really a piece of all-thread") sits in this slot to keep
the mast from rotating. However, the through-bolt isn’t snug in this
slot which, when combined with a plug that isn’t exactly flush inside
the mast can allow the mast to shift side to side when pivoted from
the deck. The tubing is just the correct sized rubber hose that A)
fits snuggly over the bolt and B) slides snuggly down into the slot
when the mast is stepped. I got the tubing from Paul Dennis and I
still thought he sold me the wrong size because when I set it in the
slot before stepping the mast, it didn’t go down in very far. I guess
the weight of the mast above is a little more than I could push down
with my hands :slight_smile: because it had no problem sliding down when the mast
was stepped. Hope that helps.

I’d be interested in knowing if this mast step design is used across
the entire Freedom line.

Rick, F30 #12 Nauti-Belle


— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ron barr” <rwhb@…> wrote:

SNIP: " That said, if the mast is snug on the base, sits square, and
has the
rubber tubing over the through bolt, then the design should handle
that side to side motion."

Can anyone bring me up to speed on the aforementioned “rubber
tubing” where
and what is this?

Ron

Hoyt Freedom 32

Newport RI 02840

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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


I uploaded the F30 Manual and on page
4.1-5 there is a diagram of both the lower portion and the through deck
collar. I hope this helps with the visualization or for the other parts of the
globe visualisation.

Bob

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Posted by Rick Higgens (higgens@…>)

I found a couple photos of the mast step and mast base that I just
uploaded. This will help. I’ve said this before but it’s worth
repeating (especially now that you can look at a photo). Note there
is a weep hole aft of the step to allow water that gets into the mast
to drain into the bilge. Paul Dennis told me to set the mast into a
large bead of silicone BUT MAKE SURE NOT TO PUT SILICONE WHERE THE
WEEP HOLE IS or you seal all the water inside the mast. Paul told me
I could drill out the hole a little. And a side note, this hole drops
down about an inch into a horizontal channel that carrys the water
back to the bilge. This channel starts under the V-berth and runs aft
to abouve the bilge, and it is easily plugged up and should be cleared
occasionally. Fargo found just the right sized rod (like about the
size of a coat hanger) and kept it under the V-berth where the channel
starts (this same channel drains any water that gets under the
v-berth). This is a really small channel and it doesn’t take much to
block it.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ron barr” <rwhb@…> wrote:

SNIP: " That said, if the mast is snug on the base, sits square, and
has the
rubber tubing over the through bolt, then the design should handle
that side to side motion."

Can anyone bring me up to speed on the aforementioned “rubber
tubing” where
and what is this?

Ron

Hoyt Freedom 32

Newport RI 02840

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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


When
Ab Initio’s mast was pulled for her journey to Thailand, I discovered the
source of the black dust that had regularly found its way to the v-berth cabin
sole: it was the disintegrated rubber tubing. It would appear that
the rubber tubing was not absolutely critical, since it seems that Ab Initio
really didn’t have any to speak of.

Al
Lorman



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Higgens
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:17 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Mast base rubber tubing

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Ron, if you’ve never have your mast pulled it’s
a little hard to
visualize, and I’m not sure if every Freedom uses the same system. But
on the Mull 30, the mast sits down on a molded fiberglass “plug”
about
4-6" high. This “plug” has a slot running fore and aft, and the
through-bolt (really a piece of all-thread") sits in this slot to keep
the mast from rotating. However, the through-bolt isn’t snug in this
slot which, when combined with a plug that isn’t exactly flush inside
the mast can allow the mast to shift side to side when pivoted from
the deck. The tubing is just the correct sized rubber hose that A)
fits snuggly over the bolt and B) slides snuggly down into the slot
when the mast is stepped. I got the tubing from Paul Dennis and I
still thought he sold me the wrong size because when I set it in the
slot before stepping the mast, it didn’t go down in very far. I guess
the weight of the mast above is a little more than I could push down
with my hands :slight_smile: because it had no problem sliding down when the mast
was stepped. Hope that helps.

I’d be interested in knowing if this mast step design is used across
the entire Freedom line.

Rick, F30 #12 Nauti-Belle

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“ron barr” <rwhb@…> wrote:

SNIP: " That said, if the mast is snug on the base, sits square, and
has the
rubber tubing over the through bolt, then the design should handle
that side to side motion."

Can anyone bring me up to speed on the aforementioned “rubber
tubing” where
and what is this?

Ron

Hoyt Freedom 32

Newport RI 02840



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Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


OK these look different to our base but I’ll recheck next time
at the yard. Thanks very much.

Ron
Freedom 32
Newport RI 02840



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Higgens
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:01 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Mast base rubber tubing

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I found a couple photos of the mast step and
mast base that I just
uploaded. This will help. I’ve said this before but it’s worth
repeating (especially now that you can look at a photo). Note there
is a weep hole aft of the step to allow water that gets into the mast
to drain into the bilge. Paul Dennis told me to set the mast into a
large bead of silicone BUT MAKE SURE NOT TO PUT SILICONE WHERE THE
WEEP HOLE IS or you seal all the water inside the mast. Paul told me
I could drill out the hole a little. And a side note, this hole drops
down about an inch into a horizontal channel that carrys the water
back to the bilge. This channel starts under the V-berth and runs aft
to abouve the bilge, and it is easily plugged up and should be cleared
occasionally. Fargo found just the right sized rod (like about the
size of a coat hanger) and kept it under the V-berth where the channel
starts (this same channel drains any water that gets under the
v-berth). This is a really small channel and it doesn’t take much to
block it.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“ron barr” <rwhb@…> wrote:

SNIP: " That said, if the mast is snug on the base, sits square, and
has the
rubber tubing over the through bolt, then the design should handle
that side to side motion."

Can anyone bring me up to speed on the aforementioned “rubber
tubing” where
and what is this?

Ron

Hoyt Freedom 32

Newport RI 02840


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