Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
I looked at the F32 in Oriental, NC , before I decided on the F30 . I had a surveyor put a moisture meter on it, as it had hair line cracks…it really clicked a lot…showing moisture inside…I don’t mean to scare you, but I would start there first. You also can buy your own moisture meter. It may need to be dried in the walls.Lola 30.jsforgey <jsforgey@…> wrote: I ground out some of the bigger cracks and filled but…I am thinking of new awlgrip for the non-skid areas. It sounds like a lot of work to
tackle. — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “jsforgey” <jsforgey@…> wrote: > > I am noticing hairline cracks in my finish on the decks…mostly on > the gray non-skid. they dont look deep, but concerning. > > Any suggestion of the cause? What do you do with them? > > I am sure sitting in the hot Florida sun is not helpful, but we > always keep the topsides well waxed. Ugh. > > One more thing! > > Scott > Girlfriend F-32 Hoyt > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@> > wrote: > > > > Hi, I note the boat is very chalky on deck. What product do you > fine folks recommend, and the process. I had the bottom waxed at
the > boatyard, and when I hosed the deck white water streaks are on the > bottom stern. Lola F30 > > > > Also sharing with you a lovely old boat on Ebay: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA% 3AVRI&viewitem=&item=260221996762&rd=1 > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now. > > >
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Posted by Howard Gladman (svspartan@…>)
The uses and abuses of “Moisture Meters” are legion and opens a big can of worms. Thousands if not millions of dollars have been spent in correcting as well as worrying about non significant problems. I’m not saying they don’t have a place in the boat survey world, but care and caution should be exercised. Know thy “Moisture Meter Interpreter.”
HGlad
F39 PH
----- Original Message -----
From: Lola Jackson
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: topside cracks
I looked at the F32 in Oriental, NC , before I decided on the F30 . I had a surveyor put a moisture meter on it, as it had hair line cracks…it really clicked a lot…showing moisture inside…I don’t mean to scare you, but I would start there first. You also can buy your own moisture meter. It may need to be dried in the walls.Lola 30.jsforgey <jsforgey@aol.com> wrote:
I ground out some of the bigger cracks and filled but…I am thinking of new awlgrip for the non-skid areas.It sounds like a lot of work to tackle.— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “jsforgey” <jsforgey@…> wrote:>> I am noticing hairline cracks in my finish on the decks…mostly on > the gray non-skid. they dont look deep, but concerning.> > Any suggestion of the cause? What do you do with them?> > I am sure sitting in the hot Florida sun is not helpful, but we > always keep the topsides well waxed. Ugh.> > One more thing!> > Scott > Girlfriend F-32 Hoyt> > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@> > wrote:> >> > Hi, I note the boat is very chalky on deck. What product do you > fine folks recommend, and the process. I had the bottom waxed at the > boatyard, and when I hosed the deck white water streaks are on the > bottom stern. Lola F30> > > > Also sharing with you a lovely old boat on Ebay:> > > > http://cgi.ebaycom/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?> ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AVRI&viewitem=&item=260221996762&rd=1> > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now.> >>
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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
When I was having my hull work done after buy my F32, the fiberglass
guy had a brand new box of end grain balsa to be used for the
repair. It was clearly as dry as it was going to be, indoors in
June. He put the moisture meter on it and it read higher than you
would think. I don’t many cored boats that don’t show moisture when tested.
TW F32 Anoush Koon
At 02:41 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:
The uses and abuses of “Moisture Meters” are legion and opens a big
can of worms. Thousands if not millions of dollars have been spent
in correcting as well as worrying about non significant problems.
I’m not saying they don’t have a place in the boat survey world, but
care and caution should be exercised. Know thy “Moisture Meter Interpreter.”HGlad
F39 PH----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:lolaltd@...Lola Jackson
To:
<mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: topside cracksI looked at the F32 in Oriental, NC , before I decided on the F30 .
I had a surveyor put a moisture meter on it, as it had hair line
cracks…it really clicked a lot…showing moisture inside…I
don’t mean to scare you, but I would start there first. You also
can buy your own moisture meter. It may need to be dried in the walls.Lola 30
.
jsforgey <jsforgey@…> wrote:
I ground out some of the bigger cracks and filled but…I am thinking
of new awlgrip for the non-skid areas.It sounds like a lot of work to tackle.
— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
,
“jsforgey” <jsforgey@…>
wrote:I am noticing hairline cracks in my finish on the decks…mostly
on
the gray non-skid. they dont look deep, but concerning.Any suggestion of the cause? What do you do with them?
I am sure sitting in the hot Florida sun is not helpful, but we
always keep the topsides well waxed. Ugh.One more thing!
Scott
Girlfriend F-32 Hoyt— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
Lola Jackson <lolaltd@>
wrote:
Hi, I note the boat is very chalky on deck. What product do you
fine folks recommend, and the process. I had the bottom waxed at
the
boatyard, and when I hosed the deck white water streaks are on the
bottom stern. Lola F30Also sharing with you a lovely old boat on Ebay:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?>http://cgi.ebaycom/ebaymotors/
ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
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3AVRI&viewitem=&item=260221996762&rd=1
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Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
I am not an expert. The surveyor put the meter on the one I bought…no moisture…we did it on the same day…so I went with the F30…it has no leak evidence inside anyplace.So I don’t know how reliable these meters are…I’m a novice and had to go by what I saw…I know they can repair and replace the core…know of people who had it done. Is it best to find out first before sealing it up?Lola 30Thomas Wales <twales@…> wrote: When I was having my hull work done after buy my F32, the fiberglass guy had a brand
new box of end grain balsa to be used for the repair. It was clearly as dry as it was going to be, indoors in June. He put the moisture meter on it and it read higher than you would think. I don’t many cored boats that don’t show moisture when tested. TW F32 Anoush Koon At 02:41 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >The uses and abuses of “Moisture Meters” are legion and opens a big >can of worms. Thousands if not millions of dollars have been spent >in correcting as well as worrying about non significant problems. >I’m not saying they don’t have a place in the boat survey world, but >care and caution should be exercised. Know thy “Moisture Meter Interpreter.” > >HGlad >F39 PH > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:lolaltd@yahoo.com>Lola Jackson >To: ><mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:22 AM >Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: topside cracks > > >I looked at the F32 in Oriental, NC , before I decided on the F30 . >I had a surveyor put a moisture meter on it, as it had hair line >cracks…it really clicked a lot…showing moisture inside…I >don’t mean to scare you, but I would start there first. You also >can buy your own moisture meter. It may need to be dried in the walls. > >Lola 30 > >. >jsforgey <jsforgey@aol.com> wrote: >I ground out some of the bigger cracks and filled but…I am thinking >of new awlgrip for the non-skid areas.
It sounds like a lot of work to tackle. > >— In >mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, >“jsforgey” <jsforgey@…> >wrote: > > > > I am noticing hairline cracks in my finish on the decks…mostly >on > > the gray non-skid. they dont look deep, but concerning. > > > > Any suggestion of the cause? What do you do with them? > > > > I am sure sitting in the hot Florida sun is not helpful, but we > > always keep the topsides well waxed. Ugh. > > > > One more thing! > > > > Scott > > Girlfriend F-32 Hoyt > > > > — In > mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, > Lola Jackson <lolaltd@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, I note the boat is very chalky on deck. What product do you > > fine folks recommend, and the process. I had the bottom waxed at >the > > boatyard, and when I hosed the deck white water streaks are on the > > bottom stern. Lola F30 > > > > > > Also sharing with you a lovely old boat on Ebay: > > > > > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?>http://cgi.ebaycom/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%
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Posted by Andrew Kinsey (captainkinsey@…>)
Howard Gladman <svspartan@…> wrote: Moisture meters are just another tool in the bag of the surveyor - and one of the most mis-used. Here are several links from Professional Boat Builder that out line some of the many concerns when using meters. Bottom line - visual examination, percussion soundings and meters all need to be used together to help determine the condition of a laminate. http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/200612/?pg=130 http://www.jklopman.com/articles/meters1.pdf http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/200608/ Regards, Andrew The uses and abuses of “Moisture Meters” are legion and opens a big can of worms. Thousands if not millions of dollars have been spent in correcting as well as worrying about non significant problems. I’m not saying they don’t have a place in the boat survey world, but care and caution should be exercised. Know thy “Moisture Meter Interpreter.” HGlad F39 PH ----- Original Message ----- From: Lola Jackson To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Friday, March 21, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: topside cracks I looked at the F32 in Oriental, NC , before I decided on the F30 . I had a surveyor put a moisture meter on it, as it had hair line cracks…it really clicked a lot…showing moisture inside…I don’t mean to scare you, but I would start there first. You also can buy your own moisture meter. It may need to be dried in the walls.Lola 30_.,.___ Messages in this topic (9) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic . Andrew KinseyCoastal Marine SurveysP.O Box 430Mattituck, NY 11952NAMS Certified Marine SurveyorSAMS Accredited Marine Surveyor #848ABYC Standards AccreditedUSCG Licensed Master, Unlimited Tonnage, Upon OceansPhone 631-298-9518Fax 631-298-5282Cell 631-807-8907
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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
Andrew, Thanks for the links to these interesting articles. Should
be “must reading” for boatowners and surveyors alike. I always did
like the hammer method when used correctly.
TW
Anoush Koon
At 07:33 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:
\
Howard Gladman <svspartan@…> wrote:
Moisture meters are just another tool in the bag of the surveyor -
and one of the most mis-used. Here are several links from
Professional Boat Builder that out line some of the many concerns
when using meters. Bottom line - visual examination, percussion
soundings and meters all need to be used together to help determine
the condition of a laminate.<http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/200612/?pg=130>http://www.proboat-digit
al.com/proboat/200612/?pg=130http://www.jklopman.com/articles/meters1.pdf
<http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/200608/>http://www.proboat-digital.com/
proboat/200608/Regards,
AndrewThe uses and abuses of “Moisture Meters” are legion and opens a big
can of worms. Thousands if not millions of dollars have been spent
in correcting as well as worrying about non significant problems.
I’m not saying they don’t have a place in the boat survey world, but
care and caution should be exercised. Know thy “Moisture Meter Interpreter.”HGlad
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Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: topside cracksI looked at the F32 in Oriental, NC , before I decided on the F30 .
I had a surveyor put a moisture meter on it, as it had hair line
cracks…it really clicked a lot…showing moisture inside…I
don’t mean to scare you, but I would start there first. You also
can buy your own moisture meter. It may need to be dried in the walls.Lola 30_.,.___
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Posted by Andrew Kinsey (captainkinsey@…>)
Thomas, My hammer always comes out of my bag before the meter. When used properly the hammer will discover problem areas, that the meter can be used to confirm. A meter will, at times, give you a heads up on an area before further deterioration has occurred. An interesting area of Non-Destructive testing that I’m am presently investing in is IR Thermography. I have seen it used with great success, and it will provide a more definitive result than the use of a moisture meter. That being said - I’m still not getting rid of my hammer. Regards, Andrew Thomas Wales <twales@…> wrote: Andrew, Thanks for the links to these interesting articles. Should be “must reading” for boatowners and surveyors alike. I always did like the hammer method when used correctly.TWAnoush KoonAt 07:33 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:>Howard Gladman <svspartan@msn.com> wrote:>Moisture meters are just another tool in the bag of the surveyor - >and one of the most mis-used. Here are several links from >Professional Boat Builder that out line some of the many concerns >when using meters. Bottom line - visual examination, percussion >soundings and meters all need to be used together to help determine >the condition of a laminate.>>>><http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/200612/?pg=130>http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/200612/?pg=130>>http://www.jklopman.com/articles/meters1.pdf>>http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/200608/http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/200608/>>>Regards,>Andrew>>The uses and abuses of “Moisture Meters” are legion and opens a big >can of worms. Thousands if not millions of dollars have been spent >in correcting as well as worrying about non significant problems. >I’m not saying they don’t have a place
in the boat survey world, but >care and caution should be exercised. Know thy “Moisture Meter Interpreter.”>>HGlad>F39 PH>>----- Original Message ----->From: <mailto:lolaltd@yahoo.com>Lola Jackson>To: ><mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:22 AM>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: topside cracks>>>I looked at the F32 in Oriental, NC , before I decided on the F30 . >I had a surveyor put a moisture meter on it, as it had hair line >cracks…it really clicked a lot…showing moisture inside…I >don’t mean to scare you, but I would start there first. You also >can buy your own
moisture meter. It may need to be dried in the walls.>>Lola 30_.,.___>><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOwnersGroup/message/2044;_ylc=X3oDMTM1YmRpZzdlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MjU5NDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMyMDU4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIwNjEyNDkwOQR0cGNJZAMyMDQ0>Messages >in this topic (9) Reply (via web post) | ><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOwnersGroup/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbTRlaXVrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MjU5NDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMDYxMjQ5MDk->Start >a new topic>.>>>>>Andrew Kinsey>Coastal Marine Surveys>P.O Box 430>Mattituck, N 152NAMS Certified Marine Surveyor>SAMS Accredited Marine Surveyor #848>ABYC Standards Accredited>USCG Licensed Master, Unlimited Tonnage, Upon Oceans>Phone 631-298-9518>Fax 631-298-5282>Cell 631-807-8907>>>Never miss a thing. ><http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>Make >Yahoo your homepage.>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG.>Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1340 - Release Date: >3/23/2008 6:50 PM-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1340 - Release Date: 3/23/2008 6:50 PMAndrew KinseyCoastal
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Posted by Larry Sanzenbacher (ljsanz@…>)
I would be very interested in your impression of the
F32 in Oriental if you would consider sharing it with
me. Thanks, Larry
— Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…> wrote:
I looked at the F32 in Oriental, NC , before I
decided on the F30 . I had a surveyor put a moisture
meter on it, as it had hair line cracks…it really
clicked a lot…showing moisture inside…I don’t
mean to scare you, but I would start there first.
You also can buy your own moisture meter. It may
need to be dried in the walls.Lola 30
.
jsforgey <jsforgey@…> wrote:
I ground out some of the bigger cracks and
filled but…I am thinking
of new awlgrip for the non-skid areas.It sounds like a lot of work to tackle.
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“jsforgey” <jsforgey@…>
wrote:I am noticing hairline cracks in my finish on the
decks…mostly
on
the gray non-skid. they dont look deep, but
concerning.Any suggestion of the cause? What do you do with
them?I am sure sitting in the hot Florida sun is not
helpful, but we
always keep the topsides well waxed. Ugh.One more thing!
Scott
Girlfriend F-32 Hoyt— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Lola
Jackson <lolaltd@>
wrote:Hi, I note the boat is very chalky on deck.
What product do you
fine folks recommend, and the process. I had the
bottom waxed at
the
boatyard, and when I hosed the deck white water
streaks are on the
bottom stern. Lola F30Also sharing with you a lovely old boat on
Ebay:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%
3AVRI&viewitem=&item=260221996762&rd=1
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