Posted by j32080 (j32080@…>)
Doug,
The sail specifications are at the Freedom 21 info site. They are scans of my original documents.http://www.freedom21.info/f21sails.pdf
-JohnFormer owner Blue Merle (#259)
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, Douglas April <dougie131313@…> wrote:>> Kirt,> > What are the dimentions of the over laping head sail for the freedom. I currently only have a Jib and would be interested in getting a larger head sail.> > I would be interested in a cover. My current cover is getting warn and the 10 x 8 tarp that covers the cocpit up to the traveler just doesn’t last long in the New Mexoico desert. > > Doug> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Kirt Simmons simmonskirte@…> To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:52:13 AM> Subject: Re: [freedom21] The Race-& Sail Cover??> > > Congrats Doug!> My boat was set up and raced by the previous owner (serious racer and probably best sailor skill-wise at our club) and I crewed for him. He removed all the unnecessary deck hardware and stanchions, and "gun-mount spi pole and we flew spi either poleless or tacked to the bow ala asymmetric. We also found upwind boat gave away to the J’s but downwind we could often catch them, most competitive in light air and really heavy vs J’s. Definitely sailed with the overlapping headsail except in the really heavy stuff then went with the small jib.> On another topic- Does anyone have any recommendations for a new sailcover? Ideally I would like one that incorporates a cover of the cabin top to cover all my winches/blocks/ lines/etc. ??> If there is no such thing then I would be interested to see how many other owners would be interested in such a cover and I will endeavor to get one designed and made.> > Thanks!> Kirt Freedom 21 “Red Rocket”> > > > We sailed the race Saturday, it was a 10 mile race. My boat> > came in > > fith place but with the handicap we were fourth. I got beat> > out by an > > E22, and 2 J24’s. The race was a lot of fun, it was so> > much fun for my > > wife that she can’t wait to enter the next race. I> > still don’t > > understand how the handy cap is equated, is it 240 seconds> > for each > > NM? and then is it subtracted from your over all time in> > seconds? > > Could someone please clarify. > > > > 10 NM race> > 2h 53m = 10380> > 240s * 10 nm = 2400> > 10380-2400=7980> > > > Is that the correct way to figure out your corrected time?> > > > Thanks,> > Doug>
Posted by Doug (dougie131313@…>)
John,
I saw the messurments and I’m sure my current head sail (jib) would
have the exact same dimensions, but I was woundering if anyone has
ever tried a bigger head sail. I’m still new to boats but after
racing against the J24’s they had these huge head sails that were
almost as big if not bigger than the main sail. I know our mast sits
up a little further but can’t we stick a bigger head sail on so we
can reach better???
Doug
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “j32080” <j32080@…> wrote:
Doug,
The sail specifications are at the Freedom 21 info site. They are
scans
of my original documents.
http://www.freedom21.info/f21sails.pdf
http://www.freedom21.info/f21sails.pdf-John
Former owner Blue Merle (#259)— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, Douglas April <dougie131313@>
wrote:Kirt,
What are the dimentions of the over laping head sail for the
freedom.
I currently only have a Jib and would be interested in getting a
larger
head sail.I would be interested in a cover. My current cover is getting
warn
and the 10 x 8 tarp that covers the cocpit up to the traveler just
doesn’t last long in the New Mexoico desert.Doug
----- Original Message ----
From: Kirt Simmons simmonskirte@
To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:52:13 AM
Subject: Re: [freedom21] The Race-& Sail Cover??Congrats Doug!
My boat was set up and raced by the previous owner (serious racer
and
probably best sailor skill-wise at our club) and I crewed for him.
He
removed all the unnecessary deck hardware and stanchions, and "gun-
mount
spi pole and we flew spi either poleless or tacked to the bow ala
asymmetric. We also found upwind boat gave away to the J’s but
downwind
we could often catch them, most competitive in light air and really
heavy vs J’s. Definitely sailed with the overlapping headsail
except in
the really heavy stuff then went with the small jib.
On another topic- Does anyone have any recommendations for a new
sailcover? Ideally I would like one that incorporates a cover of the
cabin top to cover all my winches/blocks/ lines/etc. ??
If there is no such thing then I would be interested to see how
many
other owners would be interested in such a cover and I will
endeavor to
get one designed and made.Thanks!
Kirt Freedom 21 “Red Rocket”We sailed the race Saturday, it was a 10 mile race. My boat
came in
fith place but with the handicap we were fourth. I got beat
out by an
E22, and 2 J24’s. The race was a lot of fun, it was so
much fun for my
wife that she can’t wait to enter the next race. I
still don’t
understand how the handy cap is equated, is it 240 seconds
for each
NM? and then is it subtracted from your over all time in
seconds?
Could someone please clarify.10 NM race
2h 53m = 10380
240s * 10 nm = 2400
10380-2400=7980Is that the correct way to figure out your corrected time?
Thanks,
Doug
Posted by j32080 (j32080@…>)
Doug,
You can’t equate a jib on a sloop to a jib on a cat-rigged boat. The physics is completely different. I’m not a boat designer (computers and information systems is my forte) so I’ll defer to Olen Stephens (RIP) and/or Rod Johnstone (founder and chief designer of J/Boats).
Part of the design is the hull form, length, beam, keel, mast height, mast type, mast placement, and sails, to name just a few. Part art, part science.
With a Freedom 21 you sail the main. On other sloops designed in the 1980’s with the small dinky main you sail the jib.
Current sloop sailboats are now going back to larger mainsails. On my J/32, with it’s large main I sail the main. The jib is reduced and/or furled when the wind comes up. Above 15 kts my jib is non-overlapping and I can still point quite high – although a J/24 can still point higher than the J/32. My J/32 will point higher than a J/30 (I sail with a friend who has a J/30). It is all part of the boat’s design. Even the new J/100 has a non-overlapping jib and it will still point quite high.
One other note: You can’t use the traditional “sloop” percentage of overlap (e.g., 110, 135, 150, etc.) for a head sail comparison on the Freedom 21. This is because the “J” measurement is so small as compared to the “LP” of the head sail.
The “class” jib is fine. By 10 knots or so, you’ll have to take it down as the Freedom 21 is overpowered.
-John
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Doug” <dougie131313@…> wrote:>> John,> > I saw the messurments and I’m sure my current head sail (jib) would > have the exact same dimensions, but I was woundering if anyone has > ever tried a bigger head sail. I’m still new to boats but after > racing against the J24’s they had these huge head sails that were > almost as big if not bigger than the main sail. I know our mast sits > up a little further but can’t we stick a bigger head sail on so we > can reach better???> > Doug> > > — In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “j32080” j32080@ wrote:> >> > > > Doug,> > > > The sail specifications are at the Freedom 21 info site. They are > scans> > of my original documents.> > http://www.freedom21.info/f21sails.pdf> > http://www.freedom21.info/f21sails.pdf> > > > -John> > Former owner Blue Merle (#259)> > > > > > — In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, Douglas April <dougie131313@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Kirt,> > >> > > What are the dimentions of the over laping head sail for the > freedom. > > I currently only have a Jib and would be interested in getting a > larger> > head sail.> > >> > > I would be interested in a cover. My current cover is getting > warn> > and the 10 x 8 tarp that covers the cocpit up to the traveler just> > doesn’t last long in the New Mexoico desert.> > >> > > Doug> > >> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----> > > From: Kirt Simmons simmonskirte@> > > To: freedom21@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:52:13 AM> > > Subject: Re: [freedom21] The Race-& Sail Cover??> > >> > >> > > Congrats Doug!> > > My boat was set up and raced by the previous owner (serious racer > and> > probably best sailor skill-wise at our club) and I crewed for him. > He> > removed all the unnecessary deck hardware and stanchions, and "gun-> mount> > spi pole and we flew spi either poleless or tacked to the bow ala> > asymmetric. We also found upwind boat gave away to the J’s but > downwind> > we could often catch them, most competitive in light air and really> > heavy vs J’s. Definitely sailed with the overlapping headsail > except in> > the really heavy stuff then went with the small jib.> > > On another topic- Does anyone have any recommendations for a new> > sailcover? Ideally I would like one that incorporates a cover of the> > cabin top to cover all my winches/blocks/ lines/etc. ??> > > If there is no such thing then I would be interested to see how > many> > other owners would be interested in such a cover and I will > endeavor to> > get one designed and made.> > >> > > Thanks!> > > Kirt Freedom 21 “Red Rocket”> > > >> > > > We sailed the race Saturday, it was a 10 mile race. My boat> > > > came in> > > > fith place but with the handicap we were fourth. I got beat> > > > out by an> > > > E22, and 2 J24’s. The race was a lot of fun, it was so> > > > much fun for my> > > > wife that she can’t wait to enter the next race. I> > > > still don’t> > > > understand how the handy cap is equated, is it 240 seconds> > > > for each> > > > NM? and then is it subtracted from your over all time in> > > > seconds?> > > > Could someone please clarify.> > > >> > > > 10 NM race> > > > 2h 53m = 10380> > > > 240s * 10 nm = 2400> > > > 10380-2400=7980> > > >> > > > Is that the correct way to figure out your corrected time?> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > > Doug> > >> >>