Re: Smooth-on

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Jack,

Most of Smooth-on products are for mold making and releasing
castings from molds. They are not optimised for glueing, filling or
watertightening like marine sealants. My guess is that for your
purpose, a good grade marine sealant (not silicone!) will do the job
better than liquid PU rubber. Besides, the PU rubber is much to
fluid to get it to sit between cabin side and portlight while
curing. The PU rubber will run down along the sides of your cabin.

Michel


— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@…> wrote:

Michel:

Thank you for another one of your most useful tips. I also plan to
ask smooth on if they can recommend this or another product for me
to use a sealant for the cabin port lights as i am about to install
replacements on Avventura.

Jack Carles

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@…>
wrote: David,

The PU rubber comes from smooth-on.com. I used the hardest
variety
named PMC-790. I did this because the primary cause of the
leaking
is the sideways movement of the mast where it goes through the
deck.
More elastic rubber will allow the mast to move a bit in the deck
collar, which breaks the bead of caulk.

We had a very rainy day yesterday, and I have not seen any water
inside. Mind you that there has not yet been much sideways
pressure
on the mast, so I don’t know yet if the PU rubber ring will hold
up
and remain watertight.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “tanton37”
<davidhanson@> wrote:

Michel:
Great site…looks great!! Can you tell me where you sourced
out
the P.U. rubber and if it cured the leaking around the mast.
May
save
my marriage!!hehehe Cheers, David

Michel:

Many thanks for sharing your photos. Alabama Queen looks
great.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:00 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Non-technical post

Kevin,

Thanks for your interest. It not much more than a set of
photos
with
comments of my F44 restoration project. You can find it at

www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Kevin
Taylor”
<kevin683@> wrote:

Michel,

What is your blog URL?

–Kevin
S/V Sway

On 5/5/07, michel.capel <michel.capel@> wrote:

Hey Lance,

Nice story, we should all put down our log notes here,
make
it
into a
real blog. My blog only talks about coats of undercoat
and
topcoat of
paint inside the boat, and the fumes in my nose.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
<FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>,
“lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:

This past saturday, Bright Star moved from her “Winter”
slip
to
the “Summer” slip at Constitution Marina. The morning
had
been
foggy,
but by 11 it was looking promising, so I decided to
make
the
move -
by way of Boston Harbor, the outer islands, the Graves,
and “B”
buoy.

Just off the coast guard station I got the mizzen and
main
up,
dropped the board, cut the engine, and started beating
out
of
the
harbor. The winds were probably about 8 - 10 with
slightly
stronger
gusts, and I felt like I was really getting back in
touch
with
the
boat. I could get her on her close-hauled course and
not
touch
the
wheel. She’d round up a few degrees in the puffs, then
fall
right
back down to the course I’d set. On one tack, I don’t
think I
touched
the wheel for a half-hour. All the while, she was
making
maybe
4.5 -

5 knots through the water, which I find pretty
satisfactory
for
upwind work.

Around Deer Island, two things happened: I could see
the
fog
coming
in and the wind picked up. I put a reef in the main,
warmed
up
the
radar, took a fix off deer island and made the decision
to
keep
heading out, rather than pick my way back in. It was
kind
of…
fun…
hearing the container ship going by without actually
ever
seeing
anything more than its radar picture 1/4 mile off, in
the
shipping
lane, and hearing its two-minute horn blowing. My
wheezy
little
airhorn seemed anemic in comparison. Still, we knew
where
each
other
were, I was in deep water, and again because of the
tracking
of the
boat, I was able to keep a good eye peeled without
having
to
be
lashed to the helm.

After the container ship passed, I tacked across the
sea
lanes
toward
B buoy. Again, another 30 minutes or so of making only
the
most
minor
adjustments to the helm as the boat headed out. I
figured
myself to
be about halfway between the Graves and B when the sun
finally
burned
through the clouds and the fog went away. It was 3 pm,
and
I’d
been
sailing for about 4 1/2 hours… it felt great. A few
more
tacks and
I
was around B and on a broad reach, 7 - 7.5 knots
heading
back
through
hypocrite channel. On the way out, before the fog, I’d
been
overtaken
by a C&C beating out with about 6 people under full
main
and
genoa.
Now there was no one but one fishing boat hanging
around
the
Brewsters. It was pretty clear Boston was being rained
on
despite
the
clear, warm weather out where I was, and I briefly
thought
of
changing course for Scituate or something. Instead, I
donned
my
rain
gear and stoicly (yeah, right) headed back to the dock.

It was about 4 when I rounded B and 7 when I ghosted my
way
back to
Constitution… all around about 8 hours of sailing,
maybe
a
little
more. It wasn’t enough. I wanted to stay out all night.

We all rave about our boats, both as Freedoms
collectively
and
as
OUR
boats individually. Over the winter, one can start to
doubt,
wonder “does my boat really hit 7 knots regularly?
does
she
truly
stay on course when I leave the helm?” That first
spring
sail,
when
you’re throwing off the rust, affirms that it wasn’t
all
in
your
head.

Lance
Bright Star

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Posted by John Carles (johncarles@…>)
Thanks. I spoke to Smooth-On who said essentially the same thing. I’m going to use 4200; however, i think we ought to find a manufacturer of a metal surrounded window and buy in bulk. In all, despite their broad use, I think the glue-on screw-on windows are a very imperfect solution. AlasJack"michel.capel" <michel.capel@…> wrote: Jack, Most of Smooth-on products are for mold making and releasing castings from molds. They are not optimised for glueing, filling or watertightening like marine sealants.
My guess is that for your purpose, a good grade marine sealant (not silicone!) will do the job better than liquid PU rubber. Besides, the PU rubber is much to fluid to get it to sit between cabin side and portlight while curing. The PU rubber will run down along the sides of your cabin. Michel — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, John Carles <johncarles@…> wrote: > > Michel: > > Thank you for another one of your most useful tips. I also plan to ask smooth on if they can recommend this or another product for me to use a sealant for the cabin port lights as i am about to install replacements on Avventura. > > Jack Carles > > “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote: David, > > The PU rubber comes from
smooth-on.com. I used the hardest variety > named PMC-790. I did this because the primary cause of the leaking > is the sideways movement of the mast where it goes through the deck. > More elastic rubber will allow the mast to move a bit in the deck > collar, which breaks the bead of caulk. > > We had a very rainy day yesterday, and I have not seen any water > inside. Mind you that there has not yet been much sideways pressure > on the mast, so I don’t know yet if the PU rubber ring will hold up > and remain watertight. > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “tanton37” > <davidhanson@> wrote: > > > > Michel: > > Great site…looks great!! Can you tell me where you sourced > out > > the P.U. rubber and
if it cured the leaking around the mast. May > save > > my marriage!!hehehe Cheers, David > > > > > > Michel: > > > > > > Many thanks for sharing your photos. Alabama Queen looks great. > > > > > > Al Lorman > > > F30 Ab Initio > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > michel.capel > > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:00 AM > > > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re:
Non-technical post > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > Thanks for your interest. It not much more than a set of photos > > with > > > comments of my F44 restoration project. You can find it at > > > > > > www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen > > > > > > Michel > > > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > > mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Kevin Taylor” > > > <kevin683@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Michel, > > > > > > > > What is your blog URL? > > > > > > > > --Kevin > > > > S/V Sway

On 5/5/07, michel.capel <michel.capel@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey Lance, > > > > > > > > > > Nice story, we should all put down our log notes here, make > it > > > into a > > > > > real blog. My blog only talks about coats of undercoat and > > > topcoat of > > > > > paint inside the boat, and the fumes in my nose. > > > > > > > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > > mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > <FreedomOwnersGroup% > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > “lance_ryley” > > > > > <lance_ryley@>
wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This past saturday, Bright Star moved from her “Winter” > slip > > to > > > > > > the “Summer” slip at Constitution Marina. The morning had > been > > > > > foggy, > > > > > > but by 11 it was looking promising, so I decided to make > the > > > move - > > > > > > by way of Boston Harbor, the outer islands, the Graves, > > and “B” > > > > > buoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just off the coast guard station I got the mizzen and main > up, > > > > > > dropped the board, cut the engine, and started beating out > of > > > the > > > > > > harbor. The winds were probably about 8 - 10 with
slightly > > > stronger > > > > > > gusts, and I felt like I was really getting back in touch > > with > > > the > > > > > > boat. I could get her on her close-hauled course and not > > touch > > > the > > > > > > wheel. She’d round up a few degrees in the puffs, then > fall > > > right > > > > > > back down to the course I’d set. On one tack, I don’t > think I > > > > > touched > > > > > > the wheel for a half-hour. All the while, she was making > > maybe > > > 4.5 - > > > > > > > > > > > 5 knots through the water, which I find pretty > satisfactory > > for > > > > > > upwind work. > > > > >
Around Deer Island, two things happened: I could see the > fog > > > coming > > > > > > in and the wind picked up. I put a reef in the main, > warmed > > up > > > the > > > > > > radar, took a fix off deer island and made the decision to > > keep > > > > > > heading out, rather than pick my way back in. It was kind > of… > > > > > fun… > > > > > > hearing the container ship going by without actually ever > > > seeing > > > > > > anything more than its radar picture 1/4 mile off, in the > > > shipping > > > > > > lane, and hearing its two-minute horn blowing. My wheezy > > little > > > > > > airhorn
seemed anemic in comparison. Still, we knew where > each > > > > > other > > > > > > were, I was in deep water, and again because of the > tracking > > > of the > > > > > > boat, I was able to keep a good eye peeled without having > to > > be > > > > > > lashed to the helm. > > > > > > > > > > > > After the container ship passed, I tacked across the sea > lanes > > > > > toward > > > > > > B buoy. Again, another 30 minutes or so of making only the > > most > > > > > minor > > > > > > adjustments to the helm as the boat headed out. I figured > > > myself to > > > > > > be about halfway between the Graves and B when the
sun > finally > > > > > burned > > > > > > through the clouds and the fog went away. It was 3 pm, and > > I’d > > > been > > > > > > sailing for about 4 1/2 hours… it felt great. A few more > > > tacks and > > > > > I > > > > > > was around B and on a broad reach, 7 - 7.5 knots heading > back > > > > > through > > > > > > hypocrite channel. On the way out, before the fog, I’d been > > > > > overtaken > > > > > > by a C&C beating out with about 6 people under full main > and > > > genoa. > > > > > > Now there was no one but one fishing boat hanging around > the > > > > > > Brewsters. It was pretty clear Boston
was being rained on > > > despite > > > > > the > > > > > > clear, warm weather out where I was, and I briefly thought > of > > > > > > changing course for Scituate or something. Instead, I > donned > > my > > > > > rain > > > > > > gear and stoicly (yeah, right) headed back to the dock. > > > > > > > > > > > > It was about 4 when I rounded B and 7 when I ghosted my > way > > > back to > > > > > > Constitution… all around about 8 hours of sailing, maybe > a > > > little > > > > > > more. It wasn’t enough. I wanted to stay out all night. > > > > > > > > > > > > We all rave about our boats, both as Freedoms
collectively > > and > > > as > > > > > OUR > > > > > > boats individually. Over the winter, one can start to > doubt, > > > > > > wonder “does my boat really hit 7 knots regularly? does > she > > > > > truly > > > > > > stay on course when I leave the helm?” That first spring > > sail, > > > when > > > > > > you’re throwing off the rust, affirms that it wasn’t all > in > > > your > > > > > head. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lance > > > > > > Bright Star > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

There also are clamp on portlights that require no holes in your
cabin sides, besides the large hole for the portlight. I use a
Swedish putty like product for mounting deck hardware that is
supplied in a roll with two pieces of protecting tape on each side of
the strip of caulk/tape. I love it, it works and it does not make a
mess.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@…> wrote:

Thanks. I spoke to Smooth-On who said essentially the same thing.
I’m going to use 4200; however, i think we ought to find a
manufacturer of a metal surrounded window and buy in bulk. In all,
despite their broad use, I think the glue-on screw-on windows are a
very imperfect solution. Alas

Jack

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@…>
wrote: Jack,

Most of Smooth-on products are for mold making and releasing
castings from molds. They are not optimised for glueing, filling
or
watertightening like marine sealants. My guess is that for your
purpose, a good grade marine sealant (not silicone!) will do the
job
better than liquid PU rubber. Besides, the PU rubber is much to
fluid to get it to sit between cabin side and portlight while
curing. The PU rubber will run down along the sides of your cabin.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Michel:

Thank you for another one of your most useful tips. I also plan
to
ask smooth on if they can recommend this or another product for me
to use a sealant for the cabin port lights as i am about to
install
replacements on Avventura.

Jack Carles

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: David,

The PU rubber comes from smooth-on.com. I used the hardest
variety
named PMC-790. I did this because the primary cause of the
leaking
is the sideways movement of the mast where it goes through the
deck.
More elastic rubber will allow the mast to move a bit in the
deck
collar, which breaks the bead of caulk.

We had a very rainy day yesterday, and I have not seen any
water
inside. Mind you that there has not yet been much sideways
pressure
on the mast, so I don’t know yet if the PU rubber ring will
hold
up
and remain watertight.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “tanton37”
<davidhanson@> wrote:

Michel:
Great site…looks great!! Can you tell me where you
sourced
out
the P.U. rubber and if it cured the leaking around the mast.
May
save
my marriage!!hehehe Cheers, David

Michel:

Many thanks for sharing your photos. Alabama Queen looks
great.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:00 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Non-technical post

Kevin,

Thanks for your interest. It not much more than a set of
photos
with
comments of my F44 restoration project. You can find it at

www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Kevin
Taylor”
<kevin683@> wrote:

Michel,

What is your blog URL?

–Kevin
S/V Sway

On 5/5/07, michel.capel <michel.capel@> wrote:

Hey Lance,

Nice story, we should all put down our log notes here,
make
it
into a
real blog. My blog only talks about coats of undercoat
and
topcoat of
paint inside the boat, and the fumes in my nose.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
<FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>,
“lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:

This past saturday, Bright Star moved from
her “Winter”
slip
to
the “Summer” slip at Constitution Marina. The morning
had
been
foggy,
but by 11 it was looking promising, so I decided to
make
the
move -
by way of Boston Harbor, the outer islands, the
Graves,
and “B”
buoy.

Just off the coast guard station I got the mizzen and
main
up,
dropped the board, cut the engine, and started
beating
out
of
the
harbor. The winds were probably about 8 - 10 with
slightly
stronger
gusts, and I felt like I was really getting back in
touch
with
the
boat. I could get her on her close-hauled course and
not
touch
the
wheel. She’d round up a few degrees in the puffs,
then
fall
right
back down to the course I’d set. On one tack, I don’t
think I
touched
the wheel for a half-hour. All the while, she was
making
maybe
4.5 -

5 knots through the water, which I find pretty
satisfactory
for
upwind work.

Around Deer Island, two things happened: I could see
the
fog
coming
in and the wind picked up. I put a reef in the main,
warmed
up
the
radar, took a fix off deer island and made the
decision
to
keep
heading out, rather than pick my way back in. It was
kind
of…
fun…
hearing the container ship going by without actually
ever
seeing
anything more than its radar picture 1/4 mile off, in
the
shipping
lane, and hearing its two-minute horn blowing. My
wheezy
little
airhorn seemed anemic in comparison. Still, we knew
where
each
other
were, I was in deep water, and again because of the
tracking
of the
boat, I was able to keep a good eye peeled without
having
to
be
lashed to the helm.

After the container ship passed, I tacked across the
sea
lanes
toward
B buoy. Again, another 30 minutes or so of making
only
the
most
minor
adjustments to the helm as the boat headed out. I
figured
myself to
be about halfway between the Graves and B when the
sun
finally
burned
through the clouds and the fog went away. It was 3
pm,
and
I’d
been
sailing for about 4 1/2 hours… it felt great. A few
more
tacks and
I
was around B and on a broad reach, 7 - 7.5 knots
heading
back
through
hypocrite channel. On the way out, before the fog,
I’d
been
overtaken
by a C&C beating out with about 6 people under full
main
and
genoa.
Now there was no one but one fishing boat hanging
around
the
Brewsters. It was pretty clear Boston was being
rained
on
despite
the
clear, warm weather out where I was, and I briefly
thought
of
changing course for Scituate or something. Instead, I
donned
my
rain
gear and stoicly (yeah, right) headed back to the
dock.

It was about 4 when I rounded B and 7 when I ghosted
my
way
back to
Constitution… all around about 8 hours of sailing,
maybe
a
little
more. It wasn’t enough. I wanted to stay out all
night.

We all rave about our boats, both as Freedoms
collectively
and
as
OUR
boats individually. Over the winter, one can start to
doubt,
wonder “does my boat really hit 7 knots regularly?
does
she
truly
stay on course when I leave the helm?” That first
spring
sail,
when
you’re throwing off the rust, affirms that it wasn’t
all
in
your
head.

Lance
Bright Star

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tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or
Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any
taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed
under
U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax
advice
in
promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other
entity,
investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the
advice
was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a
person
other
than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or
matter,
and
(ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers
particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.

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Posted by John Carles (johncarles@…>)
Michel:I’d appreciate knowing the name and source of the tape and portlights. ThxJack"michel.capel" <michel.capel@…> wrote: There also are clamp on portlights that require no holes in your cabin sides, besides the large hole for the portlight. I use a Swedish putty like product for mounting deck hardware that is supplied in a roll with two pieces of protecting tape on each side of the strip of caulk/tape. I love it, it works and it does not make a mess. — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, John Carles <johncarles@…> wrote: > > Thanks. I spoke to Smooth-On who said essentially the same thing. I’m going to use 4200; however, i think we ought to find a manufacturer of a metal surrounded window and buy in bulk. In all, despite their broad use, I think the glue-on screw-on windows are a very imperfect solution. Alas > > Jack > > “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote: Jack, > > Most of Smooth-on products are for mold making and releasing > castings from molds. They are not optimised for glueing, filling or > watertightening like marine sealants. My guess is that for your > purpose, a good grade marine sealant (not silicone!) will do the job > better than liquid PU rubber. Besides, the PU rubber is much to > fluid to get it to sit between cabin side and portlight while > curing. The PU rubber will run down along the sides of your cabin. > > Michel > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, John Carles > <johncarles@> wrote: > > > > Michel: > > > > Thank you for another one of your most useful tips. I also plan to > ask smooth on if they can recommend this or another product for me > to use a sealant for the cabin port lights as i am about to install > replacements on Avventura. > > > > Jack Carles > > > > “michel.capel” <michel.capel@> > wrote: David, > > > > The PU rubber comes from smooth-on.com.
I used the hardest > variety > > named PMC-790. I did this because the primary cause of the > leaking > > is the sideways movement of the mast where it goes through the > deck. > > More elastic rubber will allow the mast to move a bit in the deck > > collar, which breaks the bead of caulk. > > > > We had a very rainy day yesterday, and I have not seen any water > > inside. Mind you that there has not yet been much sideways > pressure > > on the mast, so I don’t know yet if the PU rubber ring will hold > up > > and remain watertight. > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “tanton37” > > <davidhanson@> wrote: > > > > > > Michel: > > > Great site…looks great!! Can you tell me where you sourced > > out > > > the P.U. rubber and if it cured the leaking around the mast. > May > > save > > > my marriage!!hehehe Cheers, David > > > > > > > > Michel: > > > > > > > > Many thanks for sharing your photos. Alabama Queen looks > great. > > > > > > > > Al Lorman > > > > F30 Ab Initio > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > michel.capel > > > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:00 AM > > > > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Non-technical post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your interest. It not much more than a set of > photos > > > with > > > > comments of my F44 restoration project. You can find it at > > > > > > > > www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen > > > > > > > > Michel > > > > > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > > >
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Kevin > Taylor” > > > > <kevin683@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michel, > > > > > > > > > > What is your blog URL? > > > > > > > > > > --Kevin > > > > > S/V Sway > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/07, michel.capel <michel.capel@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Lance, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice story, we should all put down our log notes here, > make > > it > > > > into a > > > > > > real blog. My blog only talks about coats of undercoat > and > > > > topcoat of > > > > >

paint inside the boat, and the fumes in my nose. > > > > > > > > > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > > > mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > <FreedomOwnersGroup% > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > “lance_ryley” > > > > > > <lance_ryley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This past saturday, Bright Star moved from her “Winter” > > slip > > > to > > > > > > > the “Summer” slip at Constitution Marina. The morning > had > > been > > > > > > foggy, > > > > > > > but by 11 it was looking promising, so
I decided to > make > > the > > > > move - > > > > > > > by way of Boston Harbor, the outer islands, the Graves, > > > and “B” > > > > > > buoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just off the coast guard station I got the mizzen and > main > > up, > > > > > > > dropped the board, cut the engine, and started beating > out > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > harbor. The winds were probably about 8 - 10 with > slightly > > > > stronger > > > > > > > gusts, and I felt like I was really getting back in > touch > > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > boat. I could get her on her
close-hauled course and > not > > > touch > > > > the > > > > > > > wheel. She’d round up a few degrees in the puffs, then > > fall > > > > right > > > > > > > back down to the course I’d set. On one tack, I don’t > > think I > > > > > > touched > > > > > > > the wheel for a half-hour. All the while, she was > making > > > maybe > > > > 4.5 - > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 knots through the water, which I find pretty > > satisfactory > > > for > > > > > > > upwind work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Around Deer Island, two things happened: I could see > the > >
fog > > > > coming > > > > > > > in and the wind picked up. I put a reef in the main, > > warmed > > > up > > > > the > > > > > > > radar, took a fix off deer island and made the decision > to > > > keep > > > > > > > heading out, rather than pick my way back in. It was > kind > > of… > > > > > > fun… > > > > > > > hearing the container ship going by without actually > ever > > > > seeing > > > > > > > anything more than its radar picture 1/4 mile off, in > the > > > > shipping > > > > > > > lane, and hearing its two-minute horn blowing. My > wheezy > > > little > > > >

airhorn seemed anemic in comparison. Still, we knew > where > > each > > > > > > other > > > > > > > were, I was in deep water, and again because of the > > tracking > > > > of the > > > > > > > boat, I was able to keep a good eye peeled without > having > > to > > > be > > > > > > > lashed to the helm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the container ship passed, I tacked across the > sea > > lanes > > > > > > toward > > > > > > > B buoy. Again, another 30 minutes or so of making only > the > > > most > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > adjustments to the helm as
the boat headed out. I > figured > > > > myself to > > > > > > > be about halfway between the Graves and B when the sun > > finally > > > > > > burned > > > > > > > through the clouds and the fog went away. It was 3 pm, > and > > > I’d > > > > been > > > > > > > sailing for about 4 1/2 hours… it felt great. A few > more > > > > tacks and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > was around B and on a broad reach, 7 - 7.5 knots > heading > > back > > > > > > through > > > > > > > hypocrite channel. On the way out, before the fog, I’d > been > > > > > > overtaken > > > > > > >
by a C&C beating out with about 6 people under full > main > > and > > > > genoa. > > > > > > > Now there was no one but one fishing boat hanging > around > > the > > > > > > > Brewsters. It was pretty clear Boston was being rained > on > > > > despite > > > > > > the > > > > > > > clear, warm weather out where I was, and I briefly > thought > > of > > > > > > > changing course for Scituate or something. Instead, I > > donned > > > my > > > > > > rain > > > > > > > gear and stoicly (yeah, right) headed back to the dock. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was about 4 when I rounded B and 7
when I ghosted my > > way > > > > back to > > > > > > > Constitution… all around about 8 hours of sailing, > maybe > > a > > > > little > > > > > > > more. It wasn’t enough. I wanted to stay out all night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all rave about our boats, both as Freedoms > collectively > > > and > > > > as > > > > > > OUR > > > > > > > boats individually. Over the winter, one can start to > > doubt, > > > > > > > wonder “does my boat really hit 7 knots regularly? > does > > she > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > stay on course when I leave the helm?” That first
spring > > > sail, > > > > when > > > > > > > you’re throwing off the rust, affirms that it wasn’t > all > > in > > > > your > > > > > > head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lance > > > > > > > Bright Star > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax > > > matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or > Mayer, > > > Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and
cannot be used by any > > taxpayer > > > for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed > > under > > > U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax > advice > > in > > > promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other > > entity, > > > investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the > > advice > > > was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person > > other > > > than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or > matter, > > and > > > (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers > > > particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > > > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it
are intended > solely > > > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > > addressed. > > > If you have received this email in error please notify the > system > > > manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not > > > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > > > > > > > > > >

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Jack,

I only have a short strip of tape left, without the cardboard roll it
was on and on which the name was. It’s grey putty-tape and it is
supplied in 4 lanes nect to each other on a roll. The tape has yellow
transparant shielding tape on each side.

For the portlights you will have to look in all catalogs of the
common brands. We have different makes here in Europe, but I’m sure
the US also has portlights without bolt holes.

Sorry, that’s all I know.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@…> wrote:

Michel:

I’d appreciate knowing the name and source of the tape and
portlights.

Thx

Jack

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@…>
wrote: There also are clamp on
portlights that require no holes in your
cabin sides, besides the large hole for the portlight. I use a
Swedish putty like product for mounting deck hardware that is
supplied in a roll with two pieces of protecting tape on each side
of
the strip of caulk/tape. I love it, it works and it does not make
a
mess.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Thanks. I spoke to Smooth-On who said essentially the same
thing.
I’m going to use 4200; however, i think we ought to find a
manufacturer of a metal surrounded window and buy in bulk. In all,
despite their broad use, I think the glue-on screw-on windows are
a
very imperfect solution. Alas

Jack

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: Jack,

Most of Smooth-on products are for mold making and releasing
castings from molds. They are not optimised for glueing,
filling
or
watertightening like marine sealants. My guess is that for your
purpose, a good grade marine sealant (not silicone!) will do
the
job
better than liquid PU rubber. Besides, the PU rubber is much
to
fluid to get it to sit between cabin side and portlight while
curing. The PU rubber will run down along the sides of your
cabin.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Michel:

Thank you for another one of your most useful tips. I also
plan
to
ask smooth on if they can recommend this or another product for
me
to use a sealant for the cabin port lights as i am about to
install
replacements on Avventura.

Jack Carles

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: David,

The PU rubber comes from smooth-on.com. I used the hardest
variety
named PMC-790. I did this because the primary cause of the
leaking
is the sideways movement of the mast where it goes through
the
deck.
More elastic rubber will allow the mast to move a bit in the
deck
collar, which breaks the bead of caulk.

We had a very rainy day yesterday, and I have not seen any
water
inside. Mind you that there has not yet been much sideways
pressure
on the mast, so I don’t know yet if the PU rubber ring will
hold
up
and remain watertight.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “tanton37”
<davidhanson@> wrote:

Michel:
Great site…looks great!! Can you tell me where you
sourced
out
the P.U. rubber and if it cured the leaking around the
mast.
May
save
my marriage!!hehehe Cheers, David

Michel:

Many thanks for sharing your photos. Alabama Queen
looks
great.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:00 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Non-technical post

Kevin,

Thanks for your interest. It not much more than a set of
photos
with
comments of my F44 restoration project. You can find it
at

www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Kevin
Taylor”
<kevin683@> wrote:

Michel,

What is your blog URL?

–Kevin
S/V Sway

On 5/5/07, michel.capel <michel.capel@> wrote:

Hey Lance,

Nice story, we should all put down our log notes
here,
make
it
into a
real blog. My blog only talks about coats of
undercoat
and
topcoat of
paint inside the boat, and the fumes in my nose.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
<FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>,
“lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:

This past saturday, Bright Star moved from
her “Winter”
slip
to
the “Summer” slip at Constitution Marina. The
morning
had
been
foggy,
but by 11 it was looking promising, so I decided
to
make
the
move -
by way of Boston Harbor, the outer islands, the
Graves,
and “B”
buoy.

Just off the coast guard station I got the mizzen
and
main
up,
dropped the board, cut the engine, and started
beating
out
of
the
harbor. The winds were probably about 8 - 10 with
slightly
stronger
gusts, and I felt like I was really getting back
in
touch
with
the
boat. I could get her on her close-hauled course
and
not
touch
the
wheel. She’d round up a few degrees in the puffs,
then
fall
right
back down to the course I’d set. On one tack, I
don’t
think I
touched
the wheel for a half-hour. All the while, she was
making
maybe
4.5 -

5 knots through the water, which I find pretty
satisfactory
for
upwind work.

Around Deer Island, two things happened: I could
see
the
fog
coming
in and the wind picked up. I put a reef in the
main,
warmed
up
the
radar, took a fix off deer island and made the
decision
to
keep
heading out, rather than pick my way back in. It
was
kind
of…
fun…
hearing the container ship going by without
actually
ever
seeing
anything more than its radar picture 1/4 mile off,
in
the
shipping
lane, and hearing its two-minute horn blowing. My
wheezy
little
airhorn seemed anemic in comparison. Still, we
knew
where
each
other
were, I was in deep water, and again because of
the
tracking
of the
boat, I was able to keep a good eye peeled without
having
to
be
lashed to the helm.

After the container ship passed, I tacked across
the
sea
lanes
toward
B buoy. Again, another 30 minutes or so of making
only
the
most
minor
adjustments to the helm as the boat headed out. I
figured
myself to
be about halfway between the Graves and B when the
sun
finally
burned
through the clouds and the fog went away. It was 3
pm,
and
I’d
been
sailing for about 4 1/2 hours… it felt great. A
few
more
tacks and
I
was around B and on a broad reach, 7 - 7.5 knots
heading
back
through
hypocrite channel. On the way out, before the fog,
I’d
been
overtaken
by a C&C beating out with about 6 people under
full
main
and
genoa.
Now there was no one but one fishing boat hanging
around
the
Brewsters. It was pretty clear Boston was being
rained
on
despite
the
clear, warm weather out where I was, and I briefly
thought
of
changing course for Scituate or something.
Instead, I
donned
my
rain
gear and stoicly (yeah, right) headed back to the
dock.

It was about 4 when I rounded B and 7 when I
ghosted
my
way
back to
Constitution… all around about 8 hours of
sailing,
maybe
a
little
more. It wasn’t enough. I wanted to stay out all
night.

We all rave about our boats, both as Freedoms
collectively
and
as
OUR
boats individually. Over the winter, one can start
to
doubt,
wonder “does my boat really hit 7 knots
regularly?
does
she
truly
stay on course when I leave the helm?” That first
spring
sail,
when
you’re throwing off the rust, affirms that it
wasn’t
all
in
your
head.

Lance
Bright Star

IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as
to
tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or
Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any
taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be
imposed
under
U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax
advice
in
promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or
other
entity,
investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i)
the
advice
was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a
person
other
than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or
matter,
and
(ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the
taxpayers
particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.

This email and any files transmitted with it are
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solely
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If you have received this email in error please notify the
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)



If the portlights are metal (not plastic)
you could order the tape (not sure its exactly the same as what Michel uses)
from the pompanette/bomar website. The specific page is http://www.pompanette.com/pompweb.nsf/731d6514ff5a8481852567be000745b2/735e271a8a37bd138525683f004c342a?OpenDocument
(you may need to cut and paste the full
link into your browser).
I used it on my mariners hardware
stainless hatches. It’s a mesh with I think a polysulfide type of bedding
compound. Much less messy then using the tube stuff.

Alan





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capel
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:22
PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re:
Smooth-on




Jack,

I only have a short strip of tape left, without the cardboard roll it
was on and on which the name was. It’s grey putty-tape and it is
supplied in 4 lanes nect to each other on a roll. The tape has yellow
transparant shielding tape on each side.

For the portlights you will have to look in all catalogs of the
common brands. We have different makes here in Europe, but I’m sure
the US
also has portlights without bolt holes.

Sorry, that’s all I know.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
John Carles
<johncarles@…> wrote:

Michel:

I’d appreciate knowing the name and source of the tape and
portlights.

Thx

Jack

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@…>
wrote: There also are clamp on
portlights that require no holes in your
cabin sides, besides the large hole for the portlight. I use a
Swedish putty like product for mounting deck hardware that is
supplied in a roll with two pieces of protecting tape on each side
of
the strip of caulk/tape. I love it, it works and it does not make
a
mess.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Thanks. I spoke to Smooth-On who said essentially the same
thing.
I’m going to use 4200; however, i think we ought to find a
manufacturer of a metal surrounded window and buy in bulk. In all,
despite their broad use, I think the glue-on screw-on windows are
a
very imperfect solution. Alas

Jack

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: Jack,

Most of Smooth-on products are for mold making and releasing
castings from molds. They are not optimised for glueing,
filling
or
watertightening like marine sealants. My guess is that for your
purpose, a good grade marine sealant (not silicone!) will do
the
job
better than liquid PU rubber. Besides, the PU rubber is much
to
fluid to get it to sit between cabin side and portlight while
curing. The PU rubber will run down along the sides of your
cabin.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Michel:

Thank you for another one of your most useful tips. I also
plan
to
ask smooth on if they can recommend this or another product for
me
to use a sealant for the cabin port lights as i am about to
install
replacements on Avventura.

Jack Carles

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: David,

The PU rubber comes from smooth-on.com. I used the hardest
variety
named PMC-790. I did this because the primary cause of the
leaking
is the sideways movement of the mast where it goes through
the
deck.
More elastic rubber will allow the mast to move a bit in the
deck
collar, which breaks the bead of caulk.

We had a very rainy day yesterday, and I have not seen any
water
inside. Mind you that there has not yet been much sideways
pressure
on the mast, so I don’t know yet if the PU rubber ring will
hold
up
and remain watertight.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“tanton37”
<davidhanson@> wrote:

Michel:
Great site…looks great!! Can you tell me where you
sourced
out
the P.U. rubber and if it cured the leaking around the
mast.
May
save
my marriage!!hehehe Cheers, David

Michel:

Many thanks for sharing your photos. Alabama Queen
looks
great.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:00 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Non-technical
post

Kevin,

Thanks for your interest. It not much more than a set
of
photos
with
comments of my F44 restoration project. You can find
it
at

www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
, “Kevin
Taylor”

<kevin683@> wrote:

Michel,

What is your blog URL?

–Kevin
S/V Sway

On 5/5/07, michel.capel <michel.capel@>
wrote:

Hey Lance,

Nice story, we should all put down our log
notes
here,
make
it
into a
real blog. My blog only talks about coats of

undercoat

and

topcoat of

paint inside the boat, and the fumes in my
nose.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com

<FreedomOwnersGroup%

40yahoogroups.com>,

“lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:

This past saturday, Bright Star moved
from
her “Winter”
slip
to
the “Summer” slip at
Constitution Marina. The
morning
had
been
foggy,
but by 11 it was looking promising, so
I decided
to
make
the
move -
by way of Boston
Harbor, the outer islands, the
Graves,
and “B”
buoy.

Just off the coast guard station I got
the mizzen
and
main
up,
dropped the board, cut the engine, and
started
beating
out
of
the
harbor. The winds were probably about 8

  • 10 with

slightly

stronger

gusts, and I felt like I was really
getting back
in
touch
with
the
boat. I could get her on her
close-hauled course
and
not
touch
the
wheel. She’d round up a few degrees in
the puffs,
then
fall
right
back down to the course I’d set. On one
tack, I
don’t
think I
touched
the wheel for a half-hour. All the
while, she was
making
maybe
4.5 -

5 knots through the water, which I find
pretty
satisfactory
for
upwind work.

Around Deer Island,
two things happened: I could
see
the
fog
coming
in and the wind picked up. I put a reef
in the
main,
warmed
up
the
radar, took a fix off deer island and
made the
decision
to
keep
heading out, rather than pick my way
back in. It
was
kind
of…
fun…
hearing the container ship going by
without
actually
ever
seeing
anything more than its radar picture
1/4 mile off,
in
the
shipping
lane, and hearing its two-minute horn
blowing. My
wheezy
little
airhorn seemed anemic in comparison.
Still, we
knew
where
each
other
were, I was in deep water, and again
because of
the
tracking
of the
boat, I was able to keep a good eye
peeled without
having
to
be
lashed to the helm.

After the container ship passed, I
tacked across
the
sea
lanes
toward
B buoy. Again, another 30 minutes or so
of making
only
the
most
minor
adjustments to the helm as the boat
headed out. I
figured
myself to
be about halfway between the Graves and B when the
sun
finally
burned
through the clouds and the fog went
away. It was 3
pm,
and
I’d
been
sailing for about 4 1/2 hours… it felt
great. A
few
more
tacks and
I
was around B and on a broad reach, 7 -
7.5 knots
heading
back
through
hypocrite channel. On the way out,
before the fog,
I’d
been
overtaken
by a C&C beating out with about 6
people under
full
main
and
genoa.
Now there was no one but one fishing
boat hanging
around
the
Brewsters. It was pretty clear Boston was being
rained
on
despite
the
clear, warm weather out where I was,
and I briefly
thought
of
changing course for Scituate or something.
Instead, I
donned
my
rain
gear and stoicly (yeah, right) headed
back to the
dock.

It was about 4 when I rounded B and 7
when I
ghosted
my
way
back to
Constitution… all around about 8
hours of
sailing,
maybe
a
little
more. It wasn’t enough. I wanted to
stay out all
night.

We all rave about our boats, both as
Freedoms
collectively
and
as
OUR
boats individually. Over the winter,
one can start
to
doubt,
wonder “does my boat really hit
7 knots
regularly?
does
she
truly
stay on course when I leave the
helm?” That first
spring
sail,
when
you’re throwing off the rust, affirms
that it
wasn’t
all
in
your
head.

Lance
Bright Star

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

From what I see it’s not the exact same tape I use, but it will work
if the hatch supplier sells it. The benefot is that it does not
glue, so you can remove the hardware at a later stage without
ripping off the gell coat. My tape remains elastic and it’s mildly
sticky. It’s really just like old fashoined putty, but it does not
harden completely.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:

If the portlights are metal (not plastic) you could order the tape
(not sure
its exactly the same as what Michel uses) from the
pompanette/bomar website.
The specific page is

http://www.pompanette.com/pompweb.nsf/731d6514ff5a8481852567be000745b
2/735e2

71a8a37bd138525683f004c342a?OpenDocument

(you may need to cut and paste the full link into your browser).

I used it on my mariners hardware stainless hatches. It’s a mesh
with I
think a polysulfide type of bedding compound. Much less messy then
using the
tube stuff.

Alan


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:22 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Smooth-on

Jack,

I only have a short strip of tape left, without the cardboard roll
it
was on and on which the name was. It’s grey putty-tape and it is
supplied in 4 lanes nect to each other on a roll. The tape has
yellow
transparant shielding tape on each side.

For the portlights you will have to look in all catalogs of the
common brands. We have different makes here in Europe, but I’m
sure
the US also has portlights without bolt holes.

Sorry, that’s all I know.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Michel:

I’d appreciate knowing the name and source of the tape and
portlights.

Thx

Jack

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: There also are clamp on
portlights that require no holes in your
cabin sides, besides the large hole for the portlight. I use a
Swedish putty like product for mounting deck hardware that is
supplied in a roll with two pieces of protecting tape on each
side
of
the strip of caulk/tape. I love it, it works and it does not
make
a
mess.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Thanks. I spoke to Smooth-On who said essentially the same
thing.
I’m going to use 4200; however, i think we ought to find a
manufacturer of a metal surrounded window and buy in bulk. In
all,
despite their broad use, I think the glue-on screw-on windows
are
a
very imperfect solution. Alas

Jack

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: Jack,

Most of Smooth-on products are for mold making and releasing
castings from molds. They are not optimised for glueing,
filling
or
watertightening like marine sealants. My guess is that for
your
purpose, a good grade marine sealant (not silicone!) will do
the
job
better than liquid PU rubber. Besides, the PU rubber is much
to
fluid to get it to sit between cabin side and portlight while
curing. The PU rubber will run down along the sides of your
cabin.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Michel:

Thank you for another one of your most useful tips. I also
plan
to
ask smooth on if they can recommend this or another product
for
me
to use a sealant for the cabin port lights as i am about to
install
replacements on Avventura.

Jack Carles

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: David,

The PU rubber comes from smooth-on.com. I used the hardest
variety
named PMC-790. I did this because the primary cause of the
leaking
is the sideways movement of the mast where it goes through
the
deck.
More elastic rubber will allow the mast to move a bit in the
deck
collar, which breaks the bead of caulk.

We had a very rainy day yesterday, and I have not seen any
water
inside. Mind you that there has not yet been much sideways
pressure
on the mast, so I don’t know yet if the PU rubber ring will
hold
up
and remain watertight.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com, “tanton37”
<davidhanson@> wrote:

Michel:
Great site…looks great!! Can you tell me where you
sourced
out
the P.U. rubber and if it cured the leaking around the
mast.
May
save
my marriage!!hehehe Cheers, David

Michel:

Many thanks for sharing your photos. Alabama Queen
looks
great.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:00 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Non-technical post

Kevin,

Thanks for your interest. It not much more than a set of
photos
with
comments of my F44 restoration project. You can find it
at

www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Kevin
Taylor”
<kevin683@> wrote:

Michel,

What is your blog URL?

–Kevin
S/V Sway

On 5/5/07, michel.capel <michel.capel@> wrote:

Hey Lance,

Nice story, we should all put down our log notes
here,
make
it
into a
real blog. My blog only talks about coats of
undercoat
and
topcoat of
paint inside the boat, and the fumes in my nose.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
<FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>,
“lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:

This past saturday, Bright Star moved from
her “Winter”
slip
to
the “Summer” slip at Constitution Marina. The
morning
had
been
foggy,
but by 11 it was looking promising, so I decided
to
make
the
move -
by way of Boston Harbor, the outer islands, the
Graves,
and “B”
buoy.

Just off the coast guard station I got the mizzen
and
main
up,
dropped the board, cut the engine, and started
beating
out
of
the
harbor. The winds were probably about 8 - 10 with
slightly
stronger
gusts, and I felt like I was really getting back
in
touch
with
the
boat. I could get her on her close-hauled course
and
not
touch
the
wheel. She’d round up a few degrees in the puffs,
then
fall
right
back down to the course I’d set. On one tack, I
don’t
think I
touched
the wheel for a half-hour. All the while, she was
making
maybe
4.5 -

5 knots through the water, which I find pretty
satisfactory
for
upwind work.

Around Deer Island, two things happened: I could
see
the
fog
coming
in and the wind picked up. I put a reef in the
main,
warmed
up
the
radar, took a fix off deer island and made the
decision
to
keep
heading out, rather than pick my way back in. It
was
kind
of…
fun…
hearing the container ship going by without
actually
ever
seeing
anything more than its radar picture 1/4 mile off,
in
the
shipping
lane, and hearing its two-minute horn blowing. My
wheezy
little
airhorn seemed anemic in comparison. Still, we
knew
where
each
other
were, I was in deep water, and again because of
the
tracking
of the
boat, I was able to keep a good eye peeled without
having
to
be
lashed to the helm.

After the container ship passed, I tacked across
the
sea
lanes
toward
B buoy. Again, another 30 minutes or so of making
only
the
most
minor
adjustments to the helm as the boat headed out. I
figured
myself to
be about halfway between the Graves and B when the
sun
finally
burned
through the clouds and the fog went away. It was 3
pm,
and
I’d
been
sailing for about 4 1/2 hours… it felt great. A
few
more
tacks and
I
was around B and on a broad reach, 7 - 7.5 knots
heading
back
through
hypocrite channel. On the way out, before the fog,
I’d
been
overtaken
by a C&C beating out with about 6 people under
full
main
and
genoa.
Now there was no one but one fishing boat hanging
around
the
Brewsters. It was pretty clear Boston was being
rained
on
despite
the
clear, warm weather out where I was, and I briefly
thought
of
changing course for Scituate or something.
Instead, I
donned
my
rain
gear and stoicly (yeah, right) headed back to the
dock.

It was about 4 when I rounded B and 7 when I
ghosted
my
way
back to
Constitution… all around about 8 hours of
sailing,
maybe
a
little
more. It wasn’t enough. I wanted to stay out all
night.

We all rave about our boats, both as Freedoms
collectively
and
as
OUR
boats individually. Over the winter, one can start
to
doubt,
wonder “does my boat really hit 7 knots
regularly?
does
she
truly
stay on course when I leave the helm?” That first
spring
sail,
when
you’re throwing off the rust, affirms that it
wasn’t
all
in
your
head.

Lance
Bright Star

IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as
to
tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or
Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any
taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be
imposed
under
U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax
advice
in
promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or
other
entity,
investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i)
the
advice
was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a
person
other
than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or
matter,
and
(ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the
taxpayers
particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.

This email and any files transmitted with it are
intended
solely
for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)



Yes, the properties seem similar.
Alan





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capel
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:54 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re:
Smooth-on




From what I see it’s not the exact same tape I use,
but it will work
if the hatch supplier sells it. The benefot is that it does not
glue, so you can remove the hardware at a later stage without
ripping off the gell coat. My tape remains elastic and it’s mildly
sticky. It’s really just like old fashoined putty, but it does not
harden completely.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:

If the portlights are metal (not plastic) you could order the tape
(not sure
its exactly the same as what Michel uses) from the
pompanette/bomar website.
The specific page is

http://www.pompanette.com/pompweb.nsf/731d6514ff5a8481852567be000745b
2/735e2

71a8a37bd138525683f004c342a?OpenDocument

(you may need to cut and paste the full link into your browser).

I used it on my mariners hardware stainless hatches. It’s a mesh
with I
think a polysulfide type of bedding compound. Much less messy then
using the
tube stuff.

Alan


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:22 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Smooth-on

Jack,

I only have a short strip of tape left, without the cardboard roll
it
was on and on which the name was. It’s grey putty-tape and it is
supplied in 4 lanes nect to each other on a roll. The tape has
yellow
transparant shielding tape on each side.

For the portlights you will have to look in all catalogs of the
common brands. We have different makes here in Europe, but I’m
sure
the US
also has portlights without bolt holes.

Sorry, that’s all I know.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Michel:

I’d appreciate knowing the name and source of the tape and
portlights.

Thx

Jack

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: There also are clamp on
portlights that require no holes in your
cabin sides, besides the large hole for the portlight. I use a
Swedish putty like product for mounting deck hardware that is
supplied in a roll with two pieces of protecting tape on each
side
of
the strip of caulk/tape. I love it, it works and it does not
make
a
mess.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Thanks. I spoke to Smooth-On who said essentially the same
thing.
I’m going to use 4200; however, i think we ought to find a
manufacturer of a metal surrounded window and buy in bulk. In
all,
despite their broad use, I think the glue-on screw-on windows
are
a
very imperfect solution. Alas

Jack

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: Jack,

Most of Smooth-on products are for mold making and releasing
castings from molds. They are not optimised for glueing,
filling
or
watertightening like marine sealants. My guess is that for
your
purpose, a good grade marine sealant (not silicone!) will do
the
job
better than liquid PU rubber. Besides, the PU rubber is much
to
fluid to get it to sit between cabin side and portlight while
curing. The PU rubber will run down along the sides of your
cabin.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, John Carles
<johncarles@> wrote:

Michel:

Thank you for another one of your most useful tips. I also
plan
to
ask smooth on if they can recommend this or another product
for
me
to use a sealant for the cabin port lights as i am about to
install
replacements on Avventura.

Jack Carles

“michel.capel” <michel.capel@>
wrote: David,

The PU rubber comes from smooth-on.com. I used the hardest
variety
named PMC-790. I did this because the primary cause of the
leaking
is the sideways movement of the mast where it goes through
the
deck.
More elastic rubber will allow the mast to move a bit in
the
deck
collar, which breaks the bead of caulk.

We had a very rainy day yesterday, and I have not seen any
water
inside. Mind you that there has not yet been much sideways
pressure
on the mast, so I don’t know yet if the PU rubber ring will

hold

up

and remain watertight.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com, “tanton37”
<davidhanson@> wrote:

Michel:
Great site…looks great!! Can you tell me where
you
sourced
out
the P.U. rubber and if it cured the leaking around the

mast.

May

save

my marriage!!hehehe Cheers, David

Michel:

Many thanks for sharing your photos. Alabama
Queen
looks
great.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:00 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re:
Non-technical post

Kevin,

Thanks for your interest. It not much more than a
set of
photos
with
comments of my F44 restoration project. You can
find it
at

www.flickr.com/photos/alabama_queen

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
, “Kevin
Taylor”

<kevin683@> wrote:

Michel,

What is your blog URL?

–Kevin
S/V Sway

On 5/5/07, michel.capel <michel.capel@>
wrote:

Hey Lance,

Nice story, we should all put down our
log notes
here,
make
it
into a
real blog. My blog only talks about
coats of
undercoat
and
topcoat of
paint inside the boat, and the fumes in
my nose.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com

<FreedomOwnersGroup%

40yahoogroups.com>,

“lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:

This past saturday, Bright Star
moved from
her “Winter”
slip
to
the “Summer” slip at
Constitution Marina. The
morning
had
been
foggy,
but by 11 it was looking
promising, so I decided
to
make
the
move -
by way of Boston
Harbor, the outer islands, the
Graves,
and “B”
buoy.

Just off the coast guard station I
got the mizzen
and
main
up,
dropped the board, cut the engine,
and started
beating
out
of
the
harbor. The winds were probably
about 8 - 10 with
slightly
stronger
gusts, and I felt like I was really
getting back
in
touch
with
the
boat. I could get her on her
close-hauled course
and
not
touch
the
wheel. She’d round up a few
degrees in the puffs,
then
fall
right
back down to the course I’d set.
On one tack, I
don’t
think I
touched
the wheel for a half-hour. All the
while, she was
making
maybe
4.5 -

5 knots through the water, which I
find pretty
satisfactory
for
upwind work.

Around Deer Island,
two things happened: I could
see
the
fog
coming
in and the wind picked up. I put a
reef in the
main,
warmed
up
the
radar, took a fix off deer island
and made the
decision
to
keep
heading out, rather than pick my
way back in. It
was
kind
of…
fun…
hearing the container ship going
by without
actually
ever
seeing
anything more than its radar
picture 1/4 mile off,
in
the
shipping
lane, and hearing its two-minute
horn blowing. My
wheezy
little
airhorn seemed anemic in
comparison. Still, we
knew
where
each
other
were, I was in deep water, and
again because of
the
tracking
of the
boat, I was able to keep a good
eye peeled without
having
to
be
lashed to the helm.

After the container ship passed, I
tacked across
the
sea
lanes
toward
B buoy. Again, another 30 minutes
or so of making
only
the
most
minor
adjustments to the helm as the
boat headed out. I
figured
myself to
be about halfway between the Graves and B when the
sun
finally
burned
through the clouds and the fog
went away. It was 3
pm,
and
I’d
been
sailing for about 4 1/2 hours… it
felt great. A
few
more
tacks and
I
was around B and on a broad reach,
7 - 7.5 knots
heading
back
through
hypocrite channel. On the way out,
before the fog,
I’d
been
overtaken
by a C&C beating out with
about 6 people under
full
main
and
genoa.
Now there was no one but one
fishing boat hanging
around
the
Brewsters. It was pretty clear Boston was being
rained
on
despite
the
clear, warm weather out where I
was, and I briefly
thought
of
changing course for Scituate or something.
Instead, I
donned
my
rain
gear and stoicly (yeah, right)
headed back to the
dock.

It was about 4 when I rounded B
and 7 when I
ghosted
my
way
back to
Constitution… all around
about 8 hours of
sailing,
maybe
a
little
more. It wasn’t enough. I wanted
to stay out all
night.

We all rave about our boats, both
as Freedoms
collectively
and
as
OUR
boats individually. Over the
winter, one can start
to
doubt,
wonder “does my boat really
hit 7 knots
regularly?
does
she
truly
stay on course when I leave the
helm?” That first
spring
sail,
when
you’re throwing off the rust,
affirms that it
wasn’t
all
in
your
head.

Lance
Bright Star

IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed
above as
to
tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the sender
or
Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be
used by any
taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be
imposed
under
U.S.
tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax
advice
in
promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or
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