RE: Why buy a Freedom 45cc instead of another make

Posted by Payne, Doug (doug.payne@…>)



Good question. I haven’t purchased
one, but it is on my short list for moving up from our Mull Designed Freedom
28. Many of the boats features are equaled in other high end quality production
boat offerings from manufactures like Island Packet, Tartan, etc. In my mind
there are two key distinguishing features of this boat. First, the rig. The
self tending , self vanging basic factory standard rig with the camber spar
really makes the boat easy to handle. This is a big boat, loads on big head
sails if have a boat with a large overlapping headsail can be a lot of work,
especially when short handed or if the crew is getting older as my wife and I
are. The rig is simple and easy to sail while still offering very good
performance. The second advantage is interior volume. This boat is really a 42
with a sugar scoop stern. It is still huge inside. We have looked at center
cockpits including Morgan, Moody, Hylas, C&C, etc., none come close in
interior volume. The fore and aft cabins are larger as is the galley and salon
area. This is a large spacious interior. Others may disagree, but I think these
would be the distinguishing characteristics of the Freedom center cockpit
design vs other nigh end builders’ offerings.

••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

Douglas M. Payne
Managing
Partner Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum,
LLC
5956
Sherry Lane
Suite 1000 PMB 101
Dallas, Texas 75225
office ••• 972.496.2700
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com





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4:40 AM
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Why
buy a Freeedom 45cc instead of another make




I am really interested in this model, but would love
to hear why
others chose it over more conventional yachts?? ie- stayed rigs with
aluminium masts
There is alot of 40-46’CC’s out there (Moody, Hunter, Morgan, etc), so
what made you chose the freedom 45?
Your feedback is much valued
Cheers,
Wayne



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Posted by goldbdan (goldbdan@…>)

We’ve had our F45 for 3 years now, and here’s what we’eve found.

  1. It is incredibly easy to sail. The large main and small self-tending jib is
    just great to
    handle short or single-handed. Ours also has in-boom mainsail furling, which
    makes it
    that much easier to sail.

  2. Interior volume is large, and the layout works great. We sail as a family
    of 4 (me, wife,
    and 2 young boys. I build a leeboard for the forward cabin, split it in two so
    both kids
    have their own space. We all have plenty of room. The deck storage is a little
    light, but all
    boats are compromises, as they say.

  3. They are light compared to other similar sized boats. This is because the
    hull is cored.
    Of course, cored hulls have their own issues, but if the boat was well
    maintained and there
    has been no damage to the core, it is a superior design.

  4. Quality construction. The boats were built at the same yard by the same
    people who
    built Alden Yachts. Plus, Paul Dennis, the yard manager who built all the 45’s
    (I believe)
    has his own service yard in Warren, Rhode Island, so support for the boat is
    great. Though
    we have hull number 2, we have no complaints about the quality of construction.
    As with
    all boats, you find things that make you ask, “what were they thinking?” but we
    find
    ourselves asking this less with our Freedom than with other boats.

  5. Aft cabin. Related to No. 2. You won’t find a better and more comfortable
    aft cabin in
    a boat this size.

  6. Cockpit. It’s a very large and comfortable cockpit. Plus, the backrests
    have a neat little
    feature whereby you flip them around and you get great back support, unlike most
    center
    cockpits where the backrests are just too shallow.

  7. Shoal draft. Most of these boats came with the 4’11" winged keel. The
    wings are very
    large, and we find that we track well and go to weather well also. I assume
    that we would
    have better performance with the 6’6" keel, but I can’t say that we consider our
    performance a problem. A concomitant negative about the shoal draft version is
    that the
    rudder is just about equal to the keel in terms of depth. This hasn’t proved to
    be a
    problem for us yet, but I would prefer the keel to be a tad deeper or the rudder
    a tad for
    shallow. Also, though it is stated that the draft is 4’11", I’ve measured ours,
    and it is
    actually 5’6" deep from the waterline to the bottom of the keel. In fairness,
    we have
    loaded our boat (generator, two vacuflush heads, dinghy on davits, teak decks,
    in-boom
    furling, air-conditioning, two televisions, 60lb CQR anchor, anchor windless,
    packed with
    toys (for both kids and us), life raft, and tons of other stuff).

  8. Great motion underway. The boat is very forgiving, doesn’t pound a bit, and
    just is
    incredibly comfortable underway, even in adverse conditions.

I’m sure there are other reasons, but those would top the list for me.

Good luck,

DG



— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Payne, Doug” <doug.payne@…> wrote:

Good question. I haven’t purchased one, but it is on my short list for
moving up from our Mull Designed Freedom 28. Many of the boats features
are equaled in other high end quality production boat offerings from
manufactures like Island Packet, Tartan, etc. In my mind there are two
key distinguishing features of this boat. First, the rig. The self
tending , self vanging basic factory standard rig with the camber spar
really makes the boat easy to handle. This is a big boat, loads on big
head sails if have a boat with a large overlapping headsail can be a lot
of work, especially when short handed or if the crew is getting older as
my wife and I are. The rig is simple and easy to sail while still
offering very good performance. The second advantage is interior volume.
This boat is really a 42 with a sugar scoop stern. It is still huge
inside. We have looked at center cockpits including Morgan, Moody,
Hylas, C&C, etc., none come close in interior volume. The fore and aft
cabins are larger as is the galley and salon area. This is a large
spacious interior. Others may disagree, but I think these would be the
distinguishing characteristics of the Freedom center cockpit design vs
other nigh end builders’ offerings.


Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5956 Sherry Lane
Suite 1000 PMB 101
Dallas, Texas 75225
office *** 972.496.2700
mobile *** 972.953.8065
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com


From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of waynen048
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:40 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Why buy a Freeedom 45cc instead of another
make

I am really interested in this model, but would love to hear why
others chose it over more conventional yachts?? ie- stayed rigs with
aluminium masts
There is alot of 40-46’CC’s out there (Moody, Hunter, Morgan, etc), so
what made you chose the freedom 45?
Your feedback is much valued
Cheers,
Wayne

Posted by Ian Goodwin (igoodone@…>)
DG I have an F45 and I was wondering about those keyhole slots in the cockpit. From your description here I would say you know what they are for. Can you describe them for me or perhaps attach a picture of said back rest? Iangoldbdan <goldbdan@…> wrote: We’ve had our F45 for 3 years now, and here’s what we’eve found.1. It is incredibly easy to sail. The large main and small self-tending jib is just great to handle short or single-handed. Ours also has in-boom mainsail furling, which makes it that much easier to sail.2. Interior volume is large, and the layout works great. We sail as a family of 4 (me, wife, and 2 young boys. I build a leeboard for the forward cabin, split it in two so both kids have their own space. We
all have plenty of room. The deck storage is a little light, but all boats are compromises, as they say.3. They are light compared to other similar sized boats. This is because the hull is cored. Of course, cored hulls have their own issues, but if the boat was well maintained and there has been no damage to the core, it is a superior design.4. Quality construction. The boats were built at the same yard by the same people who built Alden Yachts. Plus, Paul Dennis, the yard manager who built all the 45’s (I believe) has his own service yard in Warren, Rhode Island, so support for the boat is great. Though we have hull number 2, we have no complaints about the quality of construction. As with all boats, you find things that make you ask, “what were they thinking?” but we find ourselves asking this less with our Freedom than with other boats.5. Aft cabin. Related to No. 2. You won’t find a better and more comfortable aft
cabin in a boat this size.6. Cockpit. It’s a very large and comfortable cockpit. Plus, the backrests have a neat little feature whereby you flip them around and you get great back support, unlike most center cockpits where the backrests are just too shallow.7. Shoal draft. Most of these boats came with the 4’11" winged keel. The wings are very large, and we find that we track well and go to weather well also. I assume that we would have better performance with the 6’6" keel, but I can’t say that we consider our performance a problem. A concomitant negative about the shoal draft version is that the rudder is just about equal to the keel in terms of depth. This hasn’t proved to be a problem for us yet, but I would prefer the keel to be a tad deeper or the rudder a tad for shallow. Also, though it is stated that the draft is 4’11", I’ve measured ours, and it is actually 5’6" deep from the waterline to the bottom of the
keel. In fairness, we have loaded our boat (generator, two vacuflush heads, dinghy on davits, teak decks, in-boom furling, air-conditioning, two televisions, 60lb CQR anchor, anchor windless, packed with toys (for both kids and us), life raft, and tons of other stuff).8. Great motion underway. The boat is very forgiving, doesn’t pound a bit, and just is incredibly comfortable underway, even in adverse conditions.I’m sure there are other reasons, but those would top the list for me.Good luck,DG— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Payne, Doug” wrote:>> Good question. I haven’t purchased one, but it is on my short list for> moving up from our Mull Designed Freedom 28. Many of the boats features> are equaled in other high end quality production boat offerings from> manufactures like Island Packet, Tartan, etc. In my mind there are two> key
distinguishing features of this boat. First, the rig. The self> tending , self vanging basic factory standard rig with the camber spar> really makes the boat easy to handle. This is a big boat, loads on big> head sails if have a boat with a large overlapping headsail can be a lot> of work, especially when short handed or if the crew is getting older as> my wife and I are. The rig is simple and easy to sail while still> offering very good performance. The second advantage is interior volume.> This boat is really a 42 with a sugar scoop stern. It is still huge> inside. We have looked at center cockpits including Morgan, Moody,> Hylas, C&C, etc., none come close in interior volume. The fore and aft> cabins are larger as is the galley and salon area. This is a large> spacious interior. Others may disagree, but I think these would be the> distinguishing characteristics of the Freedom center
cockpit design vs> other nigh end builders’ offerings. > > > > ****************************> > > Douglas M. Payne > Managing Partner Dallas Ft. Worth> Tatum, LLC > 5956 Sherry Lane> Suite 1000 PMB 101> Dallas, Texas 75225> office *** 972.496.2700> mobile *** 972.953.8065> doug.payne@…> www.tatumllc.com > > ________________________________> > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of waynen048> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:40 AM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Why buy a Freeedom 45cc instead of another> make> > > > I am really interested in this model, but would love to hear why > others chose it over more conventional yachts?? ie- stayed rigs with >
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