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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Hello all, I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with something more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and find this older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s difficult keeping the batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger, but would rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My volt meter is very low all the time. I have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which system do you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air temperatures are warm Have people changed out their systems to something more effecient and less taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand, cooling types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7 cu.ft. I’d appreciate some help on this. “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)


I added insulation (and reduced the space
a bit) of my icebox to increase its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool
blue air cooled holding plate unit in place of my old adler barber and it has
worked quite well. I have heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat
exchanger thru hull is very efficient.
Alan





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008
5:31 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Refrigeration





Hello all,

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I am
considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with something more
effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon
this winter and find this older unit-that works, is using too much
energy. It’s difficult keeping the batteries charged. I have solar
panels and a battery charger, but would rather not put the battery charger on
if not necessary. My volt meter is very low all the time.

\



I have read
about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which system do you
think are the best. I am in Florida
where the air temperatures are warm

\



Have people
changed out their systems to something more effecient and less taxing on the
batteries? Do you have opinions about brand, cooling types-size. In
the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7 cu.ft.

\



I’d
appreciate some help on this.

\


\

“Life is a Reach, then you
Jibe”

\



SWARD


\

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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
I don’t understand what a holding plate is Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote: I added insulation (and reduced the space a bit) of my icebox to increase its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool blue air cooled holding plate unit in place of my old adler barber and it has worked quite well. I have heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat exchanger thru hull is very
efficient. Alan From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:31 AMTo:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration Hello all, I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with something more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and find this
older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s difficult keeping the batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger, but would rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My volt meter is very low all the time. I have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which system do you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air temperatures are warm Have people changed out their systems to something more effecient and less taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand, cooling types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7 cu.ft. I’d appreciate some help on this. “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

According to the Frigoboat faq, their boatshow display is to keep ice
cream solid using a keel cooler in 85 deg. water. The system draws a
little over 3 amps.

What they don’t tell you is how long it will draw 3 amps at that
water temperature. No matter what system you use, the warmer the
transfer medium, the longer it will have to run to reduce
temperature. That being said, I installed a keel cooler system on
Bright Star and was very happy with it. Besides there being no way
for the system to fail in a way that might flood the boat, it was
very efficient and quiet. Even in the middle of summer when not only
the water was warm, but the air was too, it would probably run every
20 minutes or so for 3 - 5 minutes, drawing 3-5 amps.

On Glory, we replaced the “Ne’erCold” refrigeration with a Frigoboat
air cooled compressor, and it has also been fantastic, if slightly
louder than the keel cooler model. We have two air-cooled
compressors - the new Frigoboat for the refrigerator and an older ice
box compressor. Both work extremely well and relatively quietly.

*** commercial plug *** it may be worth your time to give Mark
Fruehoff a call at Great Water, Inc. They designed both my systems,
and they used to run Cay Electronics in the bahamas before they moved
to Maine. Mark is excellent to work with and will definitely have
sound recommendations to help you out. www.great-water.com
*** end plug ***

Lance
Glory

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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Thanks Lance, that was very helpfullance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote: According to the Frigoboat faq, their boatshow display is to keep ice cream solid using a keel cooler in 85 deg. water. The system draws a little over 3 amps.What they don’t tell you is how long it will draw 3 amps at that water temperature. No matter what system you use, the warmer the transfer medium, the longer it will have to run to reduce temperature. That being said, I installed a keel cooler system on Bright Star and was very happy
with it. Besides there being no way for the system to fail in a way that might flood the boat, it was very efficient and quiet. Even in the middle of summer when not only the water was warm, but the air was too, it would probably run every 20 minutes or so for 3 - 5 minutes, drawing 3-5 amps.On Glory, we replaced the “Ne’erCold” refrigeration with a Frigoboat air cooled compressor, and it has also been fantastic, if slightly louder than the keel cooler model. We have two air-cooled compressors - the new Frigoboat for the refrigerator and an older ice box compressor. Both work extremely well and relatively quietly.*** commercial plug *** it may be worth your time to give Mark Fruehoff a call at Great Water, Inc. They designed both my systems, and they used to run Cay Electronics in the bahamas before they moved to Maine. Mark is excellent to work with and will definitely have sound recommendations to help you
out. www.great-water.com*** end plug ***LanceGlory"Life is a Reach, then you Jibe" SWARD

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)


Some refrigeration systems have a large
and somewhat heavy liquid filled stainless steel plate. The liquid in it gets
cooled and then the condenser stops and the icebox is cooled for extended
periods by the holding plate. This can be useful to store up cooling when you
have electricity available from solar panels or other sources. Of course you
could just have larger battery storage. It was most common with engine driven
units.
Alan





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008
8:15 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Refrigeration





I don’t understand what a holding plate is




Alan Kusinitz
<akusinitz@yahoo.com> wrote:






I added insulation (and reduced the space
a bit) of my icebox to increase its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool
blue air cooled holding plate unit in place of my old adler barber and it has
worked quite well. I have heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat
exchanger thru hull is very efficient.
Alan







From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008
5:31 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Refrigeration








Hello all,




I am
considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with something more
effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon
this winter and find this older unit-that works, is using too much
energy. It’s difficult keeping the batteries charged. I have solar
panels and a battery charger, but would rather not put the battery charger on
if not necessary. My volt meter is very low all the time.




I
have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which system do
you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air
temperatures are warm




Have
people changed out their systems to something more effecient and less taxing on
the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand, cooling
types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7 cu.ft.




I’d
appreciate some help on this.




“Life is a
Reach, then you Jibe”




SWARD














“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

\



SWARD


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Posted by George Huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)

One quick fix on the older adler barber units is to get rid of the
high amp fan motor and replace it with a computer “pancake” style fan.
It’s a few screws a couple zip ties and two wires. If the fan motor
on the condensing unit is barrel shaped you might get away with
something. Do that and add the insulation before you whip out the big
bucks and see what happens.

BTW operating your batteries at below 50% charge on a normal basis
will kill them much faster than if you can keep them up there between
50% and 90%

George


— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:

Some refrigeration systems have a large and somewhat heavy liquid filled
stainless steel plate. The liquid in it gets cooled and then the
condenser
stops and the icebox is cooled for extended periods by the holding
plate.
This can be useful to store up cooling when you have electricity
available
from solar panels or other sources. Of course you could just have larger
battery storage. It was most common with engine driven units.

Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

I don’t understand what a holding plate is

Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:

I added insulation (and reduced the space a bit) of my icebox to
increase
its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool blue air cooled
holding plate
unit in place of my old adler barber and it has worked quite well. I
have
heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat exchanger thru
hull is
very efficient.
Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:31 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

Hello all,

I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with
something
more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and find this
older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s difficult
keeping the
batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger, but would
rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My volt
meter is
very low all the time.

I have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which
system do
you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air temperatures
are warm

Have people changed out their systems to something more effecient
and less
taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand, cooling
types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7 cu.ft.

I’d appreciate some help on this.

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
There is a very simple, low tech, low budget solution…turn it off. My wife and I spent a winter on the hook in Florida last year without a day of refrigeration or ice. Our F30 had a very nice AB system but it could drain the batteries to half-charge (about 12.05V) in two days (and you should not routinely go lower). I didn’t want to install solar or wind systems, so we just turned off the refrig…and enjoyed life. Eggs, cabbage, onions, garlic, etc hold up very well. Buy small jars of things (like mayonaise and jam) and eat them in a few days. Eat what you cook. But, I do like the idea of changing the fan… and would change to LEDs for the few necessary lights you need to live. Keep it simple, enjoy the air and water. FargoGeorge Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote: One quick fix on the older adler barber units is to get rid of the high amp fan motor and replace it with a computer “pancake” style fan. It’s a few screws a couple zip ties and two wires. If the fan motor on the condensing unit is barrel shaped you might get away with something. Do that and add the insulation before you whip out the big bucks and see what happens. BTW operating your batteries at below 50% charge on a normal basis will kill them much faster than if you can keep them up there between 50% and 90% George — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@…> wrote: > > Some refrigeration systems have a large and somewhat heavy liquid filled > stainless steel plate. The liquid in it gets cooled and then the condenser > stops and the icebox is cooled for extended periods by the holding plate. > This can be useful to store up cooling when you have electricity available > from solar panels or other sources. Of course you could just have larger > battery storage. It was most common with engine driven units. > > Alan > > > > _____ > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Sward > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 AM > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration > > > > I don’t understand what a holding plate is > > > > Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote: > > I added insulation (and reduced the space a bit) of my icebox to increase > its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool blue air cooled holding plate > unit in place of my old adler barber and it has worked quite well. I have > heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat exchanger thru hull is > very efficient. > Alan > > > > _____ > > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:31 AM > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration > > Hello all, > > I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with something > more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and find this > older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s difficult keeping the > batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger, but would > rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My volt meter is > very low all the time. > > I
have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which system do > you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air temperatures are warm > > > Have people changed out their systems to something more effecient and less > taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand, cooling > types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7 cu.ft. > > I’d appreciate some help on this. > > “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” > > SWARD > > > > > > “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” > > > > SWARD >

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Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

Whats really nice if you have access to SAMs or Costco you can get almost any
condiment in the packet size sleeves rather then jars. Of course you will have
enough for a century or two.

Bob

=====================
From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…>
Date: 2008/01/16 Wed AM 08:49:02 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Refrigeration


There is a very simple, low tech, low budget solution…turn it off. My
wife and I spent a winter on the hook in Florida last year without a day of
refrigeration or ice. Our F30 had a very nice AB system but it could drain
the batteries to half-charge (about 12.05V) in two days (and you should not
routinely go lower). I didn’t want to install solar or wind systems, so we
just turned off the refrig…and enjoyed life. Eggs, cabbage, onions,
garlic, etc hold up very well. Buy small jars of things (like mayonaise and
jam) and eat them in a few days. Eat what you cook.ÂÂ

But, I do like the idea of changing the fan… and would change to LEDs for the
few necessary lights you need to live.ÂÂ

Keep it simple, enjoy the air and water.ÂÂ

Fargo

George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote: One
quick fix on the older adler barber units is to get rid of the
high amp fan motor and replace it with a computer “pancake” style fan.
It’s a few screws a couple zip ties and two wires. If the fan motor
on the condensing unit is barrel shaped you might get away with
something. Do that and add the insulation before you whip out the big
bucks and see what happens.

BTW operating your batteries at below 50% charge on a normal basis
will kill them much faster than if you can keep them up there between
50% and 90%

George

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:

Some refrigeration systems have a large and somewhat heavy liquid filled
stainless steel plate. The liquid in it gets cooled and then the
condenser
stops and the icebox is cooled for extended periods by the holding
plate.
This can be useful to store up cooling when you have electricity
available
from solar panels or other sources. Of course you could just have larger
battery storage. It was most common with engine driven units.

Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

I don’t understand what a holding plate is

Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:

I added insulation (and reduced the space a bit) of my icebox to
increase
its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool blue air cooled
holding plate
unit in place of my old adler barber and it has worked quite well. I
have
heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat exchanger thru
hull is
very efficient.
Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:31 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

Hello all,

I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with
something
more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and find this
older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s difficult
keeping the
batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger, but would
rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My volt
meter is
very low all the time.

I have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which
system do
you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air temperatures
are warm

Have people changed out their systems to something more effecient
and less
taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand, cooling
types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7 cu.ft.

I’d appreciate some help on this.

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

10

Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

I found a trick that works well on my trip up from Ft Myers. Several small
blocks of dry ice placed at the bottom of the icebox with a bag of ice (close
the drain value and dont keep you head in the icebox long). This will last at
least (min) two full days more like three full before the dry ice disappears but
the bag of ice is still going.

Bob

=====================
From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…>
Date: 2008/01/16 Wed AM 08:49:02 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Refrigeration


There is a very simple, low tech, low budget solution…turn it off. My
wife and I spent a winter on the hook in Florida last year without a day of
refrigeration or ice. Our F30 had a very nice AB system but it could drain
the batteries to half-charge (about 12.05V) in two days (and you should not
routinely go lower). I didn’t want to install solar or wind systems, so we
just turned off the refrig…and enjoyed life. Eggs, cabbage, onions,
garlic, etc hold up very well. Buy small jars of things (like mayonaise and
jam) and eat them in a few days. Eat what you cook.ÂÂ

But, I do like the idea of changing the fan… and would change to LEDs for the
few necessary lights you need to live.ÂÂ

Keep it simple, enjoy the air and water.ÂÂ

Fargo

George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote: One
quick fix on the older adler barber units is to get rid of the
high amp fan motor and replace it with a computer “pancake” style fan.
It’s a few screws a couple zip ties and two wires. If the fan motor
on the condensing unit is barrel shaped you might get away with
something. Do that and add the insulation before you whip out the big
bucks and see what happens.

BTW operating your batteries at below 50% charge on a normal basis
will kill them much faster than if you can keep them up there between
50% and 90%

George

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:

Some refrigeration systems have a large and somewhat heavy liquid filled
stainless steel plate. The liquid in it gets cooled and then the
condenser
stops and the icebox is cooled for extended periods by the holding
plate.
This can be useful to store up cooling when you have electricity
available
from solar panels or other sources. Of course you could just have larger
battery storage. It was most common with engine driven units.

Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

I don’t understand what a holding plate is

Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:

I added insulation (and reduced the space a bit) of my icebox to
increase
its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool blue air cooled
holding plate
unit in place of my old adler barber and it has worked quite well. I
have
heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat exchanger thru
hull is
very efficient.
Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:31 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

Hello all,

I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with
something
more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and find this
older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s difficult
keeping the
batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger, but would
rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My volt
meter is
very low all the time.

I have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which
system do
you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air temperatures
are warm

Have people changed out their systems to something more effecient
and less
taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand, cooling
types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7 cu.ft.

I’d appreciate some help on this.

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

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Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)

  1. Does anyone have experience with portable freezers and portable refrigerators?2. Another thought… I have an RV and find my built in refrig stays pretty cold for a few days after leaving shore power. 3. Also another idea is to turn the refrigerator off a day?, while the battery can recharge?If anyone cares to comment, it would be appreciated.Lola F30Bob <rweeks6508@…> wrote: Whats really nice if you have access to SAMs or Costco you can get almost any condiment in the packet size sleeves
    rather then jars. Of course you will have enough for a century or two. Bob ===================== From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@yahoo.com> Date: 2008/01/16 Wed AM 08:49:02 CST To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Refrigeration There is a very simple, low tech, low budget solution…turn it off. My wife and I spent a winter on the hook in Florida last year without a day of refrigeration or ice. Our F30 had a very nice AB system but it could drain the batteries to half-charge (about 12.05V) in two days (and you should not routinely go lower). I didn’t want to install solar or wind systems, so we just turned off the refrig…and enjoyed life. Eggs, cabbage, onions, garlic, etc hold up very well. Buy small jars of things (like
    mayonaise and jam) and eat them in a few days. Eat what you cook. But, I do like the idea of changing the fan… and would change to LEDs for the few necessary lights you need to live. Keep it simple, enjoy the air and water. Fargo George Huffman <thatboatguy2@yahoo.com> wrote: One quick fix on the older adler barber units is to get rid of the high amp fan motor and replace it with a computer “pancake” style fan. It’s a few screws a couple zip ties and two wires. If the fan motor on the condensing unit is barrel shaped you might get away with something. Do that and add the insulation before you whip out the big bucks and see what happens. BTW operating your batteries at below 50% charge on a normal basis will kill them much faster than if you can keep them up there between 50%
    and 90% George — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@…> wrote: > > Some refrigeration systems have a large and somewhat heavy liquid filled > stainless steel plate. The liquid in it gets cooled and then the condenser > stops and the icebox is cooled for extended periods by the holding plate. > This can be useful to store up cooling when you have electricity available > from solar panels or other sources. Of course you could just have larger > battery storage. It was most common with engine driven units. > > Alan > > > > _____ > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 AM > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration > > > > I don’t understand what a holding plate is > > > > Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote: > > I added insulation (and reduced the space a bit) of my icebox to increase > its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool blue air cooled holding plate > unit in place of my old adler barber and it has worked quite well. I have > heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat exchanger thru hull is > very efficient. > Alan > > > > _____ > > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:31 AM > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration > > Hello all, > > I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with something > more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and find this > older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s difficult keeping the > batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger, but would > rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My volt
    meter is > very low all the time. > > I have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which system do > you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air temperatures are warm > > > Have people changed out their systems to something more effecient and less > taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand, cooling > types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7 cu.ft. > > I’d appreciate some help on this. > > “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” > > SWARD > > > > > > “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” > > > > SWARD >
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Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

The dry ice works well, but be careful what goes in the box.

I did this several years ago, and was chagrined to discover that the
CO2 had insinuated itself through the “pores” in the plastic bottles
containing the milk and the orange juice, turning both
into “carbonated beverages”.

The orange juice wasn’t all that bad…think “non-alcoholic
Mimosas”…but the milk was awful.

The bag of red grapes didn’t fare well either. They swelled up. It
was really pretty strange biting into a “fizzy grape”…but they then
deflated and turned to a pulp pretty quickly (as if they’d been
frozen).




— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Bob <rweeks6508@…> wrote:

I found a trick that works well on my trip up from Ft Myers.
Several small blocks of dry ice placed at the bottom of the icebox
with a bag of ice (close the drain value and dont keep you head in
the icebox long). This will last at least (min) two full days more
like three full before the dry ice disappears but the bag of ice is
still going.

Bob

=====================
From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…>
Date: 2008/01/16 Wed AM 08:49:02 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Refrigeration

There is a very simple, low tech, low budget solution…turn it
off. My wife and I spent a winter on the hook in Florida last
year without a day of refrigeration or ice. Our F30 had a very
nice AB system but it could drain the batteries to half-charge (about
12.05V) in two days (and you should not routinely go lower). I
didn’t want to install solar or wind systems, so we just turned off
the refrig…and enjoyed life. Eggs, cabbage, onions, garlic, etc
hold up very well. Buy small jars of things (like mayonaise and
jam) and eat them in a few days. Eat what you cook.ÂÂ

But, I do like the idea of changing the fan… and would change to
LEDs for the few necessary lights you need to live.ÂÂ

Keep it simple, enjoy the air and water.ÂÂ

Fargo

George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote:
One quick fix on the older adler barber units is to get rid of the
high amp fan motor and replace it with a computer “pancake” style
fan.
It’s a few screws a couple zip ties and two wires. If the fan
motor
on the condensing unit is barrel shaped you might get away with
something. Do that and add the insulation before you whip out the
big
bucks and see what happens.

BTW operating your batteries at below 50% charge on a normal basis
will kill them much faster than if you can keep them up there
between
50% and 90%

George

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@> wrote:

Some refrigeration systems have a large and somewhat heavy
liquid filled
stainless steel plate. The liquid in it gets cooled and then the
condenser
stops and the icebox is cooled for extended periods by the
holding
plate.
This can be useful to store up cooling when you have electricity
available
from solar panels or other sources. Of course you could just
have larger
battery storage. It was most common with engine driven units.

Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

I don’t understand what a holding plate is

Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@> wrote:

I added insulation (and reduced the space a bit) of my icebox to
increase
its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool blue air cooled
holding plate
unit in place of my old adler barber and it has worked quite
well. I
have
heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat exchanger
thru
hull is
very efficient.
Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:31 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

Hello all,

I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with
something
more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and
find this
older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s difficult
keeping the
batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger,
but would
rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My volt
meter is
very low all the time.

I have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which
system do
you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air
temperatures
are warm

Have people changed out their systems to something more effecient
and less
taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand,
cooling
types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7
cu.ft.

I’d appreciate some help on this.

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

13

Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

Goodpoint! But I did not notice the extra carbonation in the beer! {;>) All
kidding aside we did not notice the milk (only for coffee or cereal) or fruit
being much different but what you say sounds logical. We did not close the drain
value some what later in the trip maybe that helped. Is CO2 heavier or lighter
then air?

Bob

=====================
From: katorpus <jrb@…>
Date: 2008/01/16 Wed AM 09:24:45 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Refrigeration


The dry ice works well, but be careful what goes in the box.

I did this several years ago, and was chagrined to discover that the
CO2 had insinuated itself through the “pores” in the plastic bottles
containing the milk and the orange juice, turning both
into “carbonated beverages”.

The orange juice wasn’t all that bad…think “non-alcoholic
Mimosas”…but the milk was awful.

The bag of red grapes didn’t fare well either. They swelled up. It
was really pretty strange biting into a “fizzy grape”…but they then
deflated and turned to a pulp pretty quickly (as if they’d been
frozen).

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Bob <rweeks6508@…> wrote:

I found a trick that works well on my trip up from Ft Myers.
Several small blocks of dry ice placed at the bottom of the icebox
with a bag of ice (close the drain value and dont keep you head in
the icebox long). This will last at least (min) two full days more
like three full before the dry ice disappears but the bag of ice is
still going.

Bob

=====================
From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…>
Date: 2008/01/16 Wed AM 08:49:02 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Refrigeration

There is a very simple, low tech, low budget solution…turn it
off. My wife and I spent a winter on the hook in Florida last
year without a day of refrigeration or ice. Our F30 had a very
nice AB system but it could drain the batteries to half-charge (about
12.05V) in two days (and you should not routinely go lower). I
didn’t want to install solar or wind systems, so we just turned off
the refrig…and enjoyed life. Eggs, cabbage, onions, garlic,
etc
hold up very well. Buy small jars of things (like mayonaise and
jam) and eat them in a few days. Eat what you
cook.ÂÂÂÂ

But, I do like the idea of changing the fan… and would change to
LEDs for the few necessary lights you need to live.ÂÂÂÂ

Keep it simple, enjoy the air and water.ÂÂÂÂ

Fargo

George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote:
One quick fix on the older adler barber units is to get rid of the
high amp fan motor and replace it with a computer “pancake” style
fan.
It’s a few screws a couple zip ties and two wires. If the fan
motor
on the condensing unit is barrel shaped you might get away with
something. Do that and add the insulation before you whip out the
big
bucks and see what happens.

BTW operating your batteries at below 50% charge on a normal basis
will kill them much faster than if you can keep them up there
between
50% and 90%

George

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@> wrote:

Some refrigeration systems have a large and somewhat heavy
liquid filled
stainless steel plate. The liquid in it gets cooled and then the
condenser
stops and the icebox is cooled for extended periods by the
holding
plate.
This can be useful to store up cooling when you have electricity
available
from solar panels or other sources. Of course you could just
have larger
battery storage. It was most common with engine driven units.

Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

I don’t understand what a holding plate is

Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@> wrote:

I added insulation (and reduced the space a bit) of my icebox to
increase
its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool blue air cooled
holding plate
unit in place of my old adler barber and it has worked quite
well. I
have
heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat exchanger
thru
hull is
very efficient.
Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:31 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

Hello all,

I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with
something
more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and
find this
older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s difficult
keeping the
batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger,
but would
rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My volt
meter is
very low all the time.

I have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled, which
system do
you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air
temperatures
are warm

Have people changed out their systems to something more effecient
and less
taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand,
cooling
types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7
cu.ft.

I’d appreciate some help on this.

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

14

Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

C02 is one and a half times as “heavy” as “air”. Dry ice is CO2 in
solid form. The “smoke” which comes off of dry ice is C02 in gaseous
form.

The gas “sinks”…in your case, right out the hole in the bottom of
the icebox, through the valve and into the bilge.

The reason that your “stuff” didn’t carbonate is that the gaseous C02
never attained the concentration inside the box which would have
allowed it to displace the air inside the box (much less inside the
milk jug or fruit)…it simply sank out through the hole without
dispersing…

If the valve had been closed, the increased pressure inside the box
(caused by the melting dry ice) would have increased to the point of
raising the lid on the icebox off of its seal enough to allow the
equalization of the pressure inside the box with that of the air in
the boat…if you were ABLE to seal it up absolutely, either the dry
ice would never melt or the box would explode! Since it would
require “perfect insulation” to accomplish the former, then the
latter would be the most likely result.

If there was still dry ice remaining after you closed the valve
and “carbonation” did not occur, then you probably have bad seals on
your icebox.

In my case, the weight of the box lid was sufficient to provide
enough additional pressure within the box that the “path of least
resistance” was through the skins of the grapes and through the walls
of the jugs containing the milk and juice (or, more likely, around
the seals of the caps on the jugs). Once the box lid was opened, the
pressure inside & outside the box equalized, but the higher pressure
remained within the not-originally-carbonated food items…until the
pressure and carbonation in them moved out, and they became “flat”
again.

It’s really no different than shaking up a warm bottle of soda and
opening it…only in reverse.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Bob <rweeks6508@…> wrote:

Goodpoint! But I did not notice the extra carbonation in the beer!
{;>) All kidding aside we did not notice the milk (only for coffee
or cereal) or fruit being much different but what you say sounds
logical. We did not close the drain value some what later in the trip
maybe that helped. Is CO2 heavier or lighter then air?

Bob

=====================
From: katorpus <jrb@…>
Date: 2008/01/16 Wed AM 09:24:45 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Refrigeration

The dry ice works well, but be careful what goes in the box.

I did this several years ago, and was chagrined to discover that
the
CO2 had insinuated itself through the “pores” in the plastic
bottles
containing the milk and the orange juice, turning both
into “carbonated beverages”.

The orange juice wasn’t all that bad…think “non-alcoholic
Mimosas”…but the milk was awful.

The bag of red grapes didn’t fare well either. They swelled up. It
was really pretty strange biting into a “fizzy grape”…but they
then
deflated and turned to a pulp pretty quickly (as if they’d been
frozen).

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Bob <rweeks6508@> wrote:

I found a trick that works well on my trip up from Ft Myers.
Several small blocks of dry ice placed at the bottom of the icebox
with a bag of ice (close the drain value and dont keep you head in
the icebox long). This will last at least (min) two full days more
like three full before the dry ice disappears but the bag of ice is
still going.

Bob

=====================
From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@>
Date: 2008/01/16 Wed AM 08:49:02 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Refrigeration

There is a very simple, low tech, low budget solution…turn it
off. My wife and I spent a winter on the hook in
Florida last
year without a day of refrigeration or ice. Our F30
had a very
nice AB system but it could drain the batteries to half-charge
(about
12.05V) in two days (and you should not routinely go
lower). I
didn’t want to install solar or wind systems, so we just turned off
the refrig…and enjoyed life. Eggs, cabbage,
onions, garlic, etc
hold up very well. Buy small jars of things (like
mayonaise and
jam) and eat them in a few days. Eat what you
cook.ÂÂÂÂ

But, I do like the idea of changing the fan… and would change
to
LEDs for the few necessary lights you need to live.ÂÂÂÂ

Keep it simple, enjoy the air and water.ÂÂÂÂ

Fargo

George Huffman <thatboatguy2@> wrote:
One quick fix on the older adler barber units is to get rid of the
high amp fan motor and replace it with a computer “pancake”
style
fan.
It’s a few screws a couple zip ties and two wires. If the fan
motor
on the condensing unit is barrel shaped you might get away with
something. Do that and add the insulation before you whip out
the
big
bucks and see what happens.

BTW operating your batteries at below 50% charge on a normal
basis
will kill them much faster than if you can keep them up there
between
50% and 90%

George

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@> wrote:

Some refrigeration systems have a large and somewhat heavy
liquid filled
stainless steel plate. The liquid in it gets cooled and then
the
condenser
stops and the icebox is cooled for extended periods by the
holding
plate.
This can be useful to store up cooling when you have
electricity
available
from solar panels or other sources. Of course you could just
have larger
battery storage. It was most common with engine driven units.

Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

I don’t understand what a holding plate is

Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@> wrote:

I added insulation (and reduced the space a bit) of my icebox
to
increase
its efficiency. I installed a Technautics cool blue air cooled
holding plate
unit in place of my old adler barber and it has worked quite
well. I
have
heard from others that their Frigoboat with the heat exchanger
thru
hull is
very efficient.
Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:31 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Refrigeration

Hello all,

I am considering replaceing my Adler Barbour refrigeration with
something
more effecient. I am on a mooring in Marathon this winter and
find this
older unit-that works, is using too much energy. It’s
difficult
keeping the
batteries charged. I have solar panels and a battery charger,
but would
rather not put the battery charger on if not necessary. My
volt
meter is
very low all the time.

I have read about several. Of the air cooled/water cooled,
which
system do
you think are the best. I am in Florida where the air
temperatures
are warm

Have people changed out their systems to something more
effecient
and less
taxing on the batteries? Do you have opinions about brand,
cooling
types-size. In the manual for my 32, it says the ice box is 7
cu.ft.

I’d appreciate some help on this.

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD

“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”

SWARD