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Posted by Skip Turpin (skipperf33@…>)

My 1982 F33 CK has been modified from its original wishbone
configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.

My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing
at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen
wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for
originally?

Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all,
but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward.
Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that
sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!)
Drifter?.. That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am
sure you get the gist of my question!

Thanks All :slight_smile:

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.

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Posted by marno_ss (marno@…>)

They sound to me like sheet winches for a mizzen staysail. If you
have the staysail, I imagine you would probably want the winches to go
with it… Wish my boat had come with them.
Regards
Marno

www.yachtattitudes.com

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Skip Turpin”
<skipperf33@…> wrote:

My 1982 F33 CK has been modified from its original wishbone
configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.

My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing
at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen
wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for
originally?

Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all,
but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward.
Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that
sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!)
Drifter?.. That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am
sure you get the gist of my question!

Thanks All :slight_smile:

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)


They are for the mizzen staysails regardless of whether it’s the
original rig or not. And there should be padeyes further aft on the coaming for
the running backstays when fliying a mizzen staysail
.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982


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Behalf Of Skip Turpin
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:15 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Rigging Question

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My 1982 F33 CK has been modified from its
original wishbone
configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.

My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing
at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen
wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for
originally?

Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all,
but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward.
Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that
sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!)
Drifter?.. That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am
sure you get the gist of my question!

Thanks All :slight_smile:

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.


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Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
Thanks for the input folks!

OK, I have the sail, the sheet, the running back stay, and the padeyes:) Now all I have to do is give it a try!

Has anyone used this sail? What are the points of sail they are designed for? Have you found it to be worth the effort to fly it? If it is effective at all, It looks like it would be a good one to fly in light air, if you are not going to be doing a lot of tacking! Am I right on this?

Thanks agian:)

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA. — On Fri, 10/17/08, Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:
From: Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…>Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Rigging QuestionTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:19 PM




They are for the mizzen staysails regardless of whether it¢s the original rig or not. And there should be padeyes further aft on the coaming for the running backstays when fliying a mizzen staysail .
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Skip TurpinSent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:15 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging Question




My 1982 F33 CK has been modified from its original wishbone configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for originally?Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all, but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward. Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!) Drifter?.. … That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am sure you get the gist of my question!Thanks All :)Skip1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal KeelSouthern CA.
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Posted by James Fitch (chefcapn@…>)
Here’s something worth a thousand words— Capn jimy2008/10/17 Skipper Skip <skipperf33@…>






Thanks for the input folks!

OK, I have the sail, the sheet, the running back stay, and the padeyes:) Now all I have to do is give it a try!

Has anyone used this sail? What are the points of sail they are designed for? Have you found it to be worth the effort to fly it? If it is effective at all, It looks like it would be a good one to fly in light air, if you are not going to be doing a lot of tacking! Am I right on this?

Thanks agian:)

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA. — On Fri, 10/17/08, Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:
From: Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…>Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Rigging Question
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:19 PM




They are for the mizzen staysails regardless of whether it’s the original rig or not. And there should be padeyes further aft on the coaming for the running backstays when fliying a mizzen staysail .

Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Skip Turpin
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:15 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging Question




My 1982 F33 CK has been modified from its original wishbone configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen
wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for originally?Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all, but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward.
Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!) Drifter?.. … That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am sure you get the gist of my question!
Thanks All :)Skip1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal KeelSouthern CA.
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)


If you search the archives (may be on the old yahoo group) for
mizzen staysail you should find some detailed posting from Michel Capel . He
loved using the larger mizzen staysails and said it made a huge difference off
the wind and in light air.
Of course to tack or jibe you have to lower it.
You run the sheet through a block at the end of the mizzen boom.
Michel had the original wishbone rig.
I don’t use mizzen staysails but have a converted rig and much
larger roach sails then the original so I’m not sure if the difference would be
as much.
Alan F-33 Hull #33 1982



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FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of James Fitch
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:12 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Rigging Question

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Here’s something worth a
thousand words— Capn jimy

2008/10/17 Skipper Skip <skipperf33@…>








Thanks
for the input folks!

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OK, I have the
sail, the sheet, the running back stay, and the padeyes:) Now all I have to
do is give it a try!

\



Has anyone
used this sail? What are the points of sail they are designed for? Have you
found it to be worth the effort to fly it? If it is effective at all, It
looks like it would be a good one to fly in light air, if you are not going
to be doing a lot of tacking! Am I right on this?

\



Thanks agian:)


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Skip


1982 F33 CK,
Fixed Shoal Keel


Southern CA.

— On Fri,
10/17/08, Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:
From: Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…>
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Rigging Question
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:19 PM





They
are for the mizzen staysails regardless of whether it’s the original rig or
not. And there should be padeyes further aft on the coaming for the running backstays when fliying a mizzen
staysail .

Alan
F-33 Hull #51 1982




From: FreedomOwnersGroup@
yahoogroups. com [mailto:FreedomOwne
rsGroup@yahoogro ups.com] On
Behalf Of Skip Turpin


Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:15 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging Question



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My 1982 F33 CK
has been modified from its original wishbone
configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.

My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing
at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen
wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for
originally?

Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all,
but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward.
Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that
sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!)
Drifter?.. … That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am
sure you get the gist of my question!

Thanks All :slight_smile:

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.








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Posted by lolaltd (lolaltd@…>)

Great Picture skip

Is it a photo or a painting?

Do I have permission to use it?

It was spectacular.

Thank you.

Lola s/v Condo ha ha (I Still have to name my boat)




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Now all I have to do is give it a try!

Has anyone used this sail? What are the points of sail they are
designed
for? Have you found it to be worth the effort to fly it? If it is
effective
at all, It looks like it would be a good one to fly in light air,
if you are
not going to be doing a lot of tacking! Am I right on this?

Thanks agian:)

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.

— On Fri, 10/17/08, Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:

From: Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…>
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Rigging Question
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:19 PM

They are for the mizzen staysails regardless of whether it’s the
original rig or not. And there should be padeyes further aft on
the coaming
for the running backstays when fliying a mizzen staysail .

Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogro
ups.com] *On Behalf Of *Skip Turpin
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:15 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging Question

My 1982 F33 CK has been modified from its original wishbone
configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.

My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing
at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen
wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for
originally?

Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all,
but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward.
Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that
sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!)
Drifter?.. … That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am
sure you get the gist of my question!

Thanks All :slight_smile:

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.

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Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
MY, AIN’T DAT PURRRRRRRDY!!!— On Fri, 10/17/08, James Fitch <chefcapn@…> wrote:
From: James Fitch <chefcapn@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Rigging QuestionTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Friday, October 17, 2008, 10:11 PM



Here’s something worth a thousand words— Capn jimy
2008/10/17 Skipper Skip <skipperf33@yahoo. com>










Thanks for the input folks!

OK, I have the sail, the sheet, the running back stay, and the padeyes:) Now all I have to do is give it a try!

Has anyone used this sail? What are the points of sail they are designed for? Have you found it to be worth the effort to fly it? If it is effective at all, It looks like it would be a good one to fly in light air, if you are not going to be doing a lot of tacking! Am I right on this?

Thanks agian:)

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA. — On Fri, 10/17/08, Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@yahoo. com>Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging QuestionTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:19 PM





They are for the mizzen staysails regardless of whether it’s the original rig or not. And there should be padeyes further aft on the coaming for the running backstays when fliying a mizzen staysail .
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Skip Turpin
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:15 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging Question





My 1982 F33 CK has been modified from its original wishbone configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for originally?Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all, but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward. Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!) Drifter?.. … That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am sure you get the gist of my question!Thanks All :)Skip1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal KeelSouthern CA.
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Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
Alan, thanks for the Heads-Up! I’ll see what turns up back there:) I too have the High Roach sails and just never felt the need to add sail off the wind. This thing COOKS as it is:) I had thought that it would probably be of help in very light air. I guess I’ll just have to break the thing out and give her a try!

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.
— On Sat, 10/18/08, Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:
From: Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…>Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Rigging QuestionTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 4:28 AM




If you search the archives (may be on the old yahoo group) for mizzen staysail you should find some detailed posting from Michel Capel . He loved using the larger mizzen staysails and said it made a huge difference off the wind and in light air.
Of course to tack or jibe you have to lower it.
You run the sheet through a block at the end of the mizzen boom.
Michel had the original wishbone rig.
I don¢t use mizzen staysails but have a converted rig and much larger roach sails then the original so I¢m not sure if the difference would be as much.
Alan F-33 Hull #33 1982



From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of James FitchSent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:12 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging Question





Here’s something worth a thousand words— Capn jimy

2008/10/17 Skipper Skip <skipperf33@yahoo. com>









Thanks for the input folks!

OK, I have the sail, the sheet, the running back stay, and the padeyes:) Now all I have to do is give it a try!

Has anyone used this sail? What are the points of sail they are designed for? Have you found it to be worth the effort to fly it? If it is effective at all, It looks like it would be a good one to fly in light air, if you are not going to be doing a lot of tacking! Am I right on this?

Thanks agian:)

\

Skip

1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel

Southern CA.

— On Fri, 10/17/08, Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@yahoo. com>Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging QuestionTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comDate: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:19 PM





They are for the mizzen staysails regardless of whether it’s the original rig or not. And there should be padeyes further aft on the coaming for the running backstays when fliying a mizzen staysail .
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Skip Turpin

Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:15 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging Question






My 1982 F33 CK has been modified from its original wishbone configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for originally?Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all, but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward. Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!) Drifter?.. … That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am sure you get the gist of my question!Thanks All :)Skip1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal KeelSouthern CA.
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Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
Lola, I agree with you, that pic speaks volumes to anyone that has a yen for the sea!!! However I believe it was James Fitch that posted it:) Skip— On Sat, 10/18/08, lolaltd <lolaltd@…> wrote:
From: lolaltd <lolaltd@…>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Rigging QuestionTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 5:24 AM


Great Picture skipIs it a photo or a painting? Do I have permission to use it?It was spectacular.Thank you.Lola s/v Condo ha ha (I Still have to name my boat)> > Now all I have to do is give it a try!> >> > Has anyone used this sail? What are the points of sail they aredesigned> > for? Have you found it to be worth the effort to fly it? If it iseffective> > at all, It looks like it would be a good one to fly in light air,if you are> > not going to be doing a lot of tacking! Am I right on this?> >> > Thanks agian:)> >> > Skip> > 1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel> > Southern CA.> >> >> > — On Fri, 10/17/08, Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@. …> wrote:> >> > From: Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@. …>> > Subject: RE:
[FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging Question> > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:19 PM> >> > They are for the mizzen staysails regardless of whether it’s the> > original rig or not. And there should be padeyes further aft onthe coaming> > for the running backstays when fliying a mizzen staysail .> >> > Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982> >> > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com[mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup@yahoogro> > ups.com] *On Behalf Of *Skip Turpin> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:15 PM> > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Rigging Question> >> >> > My 1982 F33 CK has been modified from its original
wishbone> > configuration to standard sails, tracks and booms.> >> > My question is this; I have two winches mounted on the teak combing> > at each side of the cockpit. It seems to me that I have seen> > wishbone rigs with and without these winches, so what were they for> > originally?> >> > Could it be that they have nothing to do with the wishbones at all,> > but rather the Sail that flies from the mizzen masthead forward.> > Which I have yet to fly! (I am embarrassed to admit, the name of that> > sail escapes me at the moment! GOD, growing old is HELL!)> > Drifter?.. … That just doesn’t sound right?! Well anyway, I am> > sure you get the gist of my question!> >> > Thanks All :)> >> > Skip> > 1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel> > Southern CA.> >>

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Posted by mbb05055 (mary.bigelow@…>)

If it’s sooo purdy I wanna see it too! Why am I just seeing a box
with jpeg specs in it? Are other folks seeing an actual photo?
Couldn’t stand it; just had to ask…

Mary
F30 Corydora
Belfast Maine

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Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
Yes Mary, there is a picture there :slight_smile: Someone else will have to explain why you are unable to see it though, sorry! I do know that JPEG is a very common picture format. Good luck girl, hang in there, someone will be able to help you see it :slight_smile:

Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Souther CA.— On Sat, 10/18/08, mbb05055 <mary.bigelow@…> wrote:
From: mbb05055 <mary.bigelow@…>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Rigging QuestionTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 7:32 PM


If it’s sooo purdy I wanna see it too! Why am I just seeing a boxwith jpeg specs in it? Are other folks seeing an actual photo? Couldn’t stand it; just had to ask…MaryF30 CorydoraBelfast Maine__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com