Posted by swardfullsail (swardfullsail@…>)
I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me
about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about
this product?
Thanks,
“Life is a reach, then you jibe”
Sward
s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Sward,
I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the
system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are
other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well.
He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it
still works great.
Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:
I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me
about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about
this product?Thanks,
“Life is a reach, then you jibe”
Sward
s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken system works a bit better, but at about twice the price.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackSward,I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well. He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it still works great.Lance— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail” <swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me> about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about > this product?> > Thanks,> > “Life is a reach, then you jibe”> > Sward> s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32>
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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Thanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s difficult hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but haven’t priced it yet. Sward"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@…> wrote: I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken system works a bit better, but at about twice the price. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackSward,I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well. He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it still works great.Lance— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me> about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about > this product?> > Thanks,> > “Life is a reach, then you jibe”> > Sward> s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32>=00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a
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Posted by crwindy@…> (crwindy@…>)
I like my strong track. Lots of the resistance is from going around the blocks.
going up to the mast and hauling there make it much easier. I also do use the
cordless drill with a bit made to fit the winch (easiest solution)
From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
Date: 2006/02/04 Sat PM 09:36:32 EST
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackThanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s difficult
hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but haven’t priced it
yet.Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need to stand
clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken system works a bit
better, but at about twice the price.Al Lorman
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackSward,
I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the
system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are
other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well.
He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it
still works great.Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me
about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about
this product?Thanks,
“Life is a reach, then you jibe”
Sward
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Posted by Mark Thompson (methomp@…>)
I have not taken delivery of mine yet. However, I purchased the Strong
System along with my new sails. Price $775.00 for F30. Seperatly most
dealers were around $995.00. I hope that helps with your negotiation.
Mark Thompson
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Sward <swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s
difficult hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but
haven’t priced it yet.Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need
to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken
system works a bit better, but at about twice the price.Al Lorman
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackSward,
I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the
system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are
other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well.
He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it
still works great.Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@> wrote:I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me
about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about
this product?Thanks,
“Life is a reach, then you jibe”
Sward
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
I recently played with the measurement and
sample packs for both the strong/tides marine system and the Dutchman track
system (http://www.mvbinfo.com/dp_03_TRACK_TS_brochure.html)
. They’re both similar in that the use UHMW track that slides into or
over the existing track and is an easy retrofit. The Dutchman is lighter but at
least as strong and seemed to have even less friction although both were quite
good. The Dutchman has a different method of attachment between the special slides
and sail hardware in that it uses webbing. Both were similarly priced per foot
all inclusive. The Dutchman is a bit more flexible which eases insertion in the
track if there is little space between the gooseneck and existing track.
That’s all I know.
Alan F-33 SEAPR 1982 Hull #51
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Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: Sail Track
Thanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s
difficult hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but
haven’t priced it yet.
\
Sward
“Lorman, Alvin
J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased
with it. You need to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m
told the Harken system works a bit better, but at about twice the price.
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Al Lorman
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Sail Track
Sward,
I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was
aboard an F-45 with the
system. I asked him how he liked it and he said,
“well, there are
other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it
works extremely well.
He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years
now, and he says it
still works great.
Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:
I know this was discussed awhile ago, but
someone recently told me
about the Strong Track System. Has
anyone had any experience about
this product?Thanks,
“Life is a reach, then you jibe”
Sward
s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32
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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Thank youMark Thompson <methomp@…> wrote: I have not taken delivery of mine yet. However, I purchased the StrongSystem along with my new sails. Price $775.00 for F30. Seperatly mostdealers were around $995.00. I hope that helps with your negotiation.Mark Thompson— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Sward <swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> Thanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’sdifficult hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, buthaven’t priced it yet. > > Sward> > “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:> I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You needto stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m
told the Harkensystem works a bit better, but at about twice the price.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail Track> > > Sward,> I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the > system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are > other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well. > He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it > still works great.> > Lance> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@> wrote:> >> > I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me> > about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about > > this product?> > > > Thanks,> > > > “Life is a reach, then you jibe”> > > > Sward> > s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32> >> > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing > > ---------------------------------> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I recall that it lists for $25/ft and can be bought at discount for $20/ft. In addition, there’s the cost of having a sail maker install the hardware on your sail (unless you’re real handy). I found that the biggest difference was not in raising the main, but in lowering it in an emergency. It did improve raising the main, but perhaps not as much as you might imagine.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:37 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail Track
Thanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s difficult hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but haven’t priced it yet.
Sward"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken system works a bit better, but at about twice the price.
Al Lorman
! F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackSward,I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well. He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it still works great.Lance— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardf! ullsail” <swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me> about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about > this product?> > Thanks,> > “Life is a reach, then you jibe”> > Sward> s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32>=00
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Do you think it’s worth the money? I don’t want to have to go to the mast to haul it. I am aware of the drill 18V horizontal with winch bit. I’ve tried to make sure all the blocks are running well and correctly placed to get that to help. Swardcrwindy@… wrote: I like my strong track. Lots of the resistance is from going around the blocks. going up to the mast and hauling there make it much easier. I also do use the cordless drill with a bit made to fit the winch (easiest solution)> > From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>> Date: 2006/02/04 Sat PM 09:36:32 EST> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail Track> > Thanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s difficult hauling the
sail up. This seems like a good solution, but haven’t priced it yet. > > Sward> > “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:> I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken system works a bit better, but at about twice the price.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail Track> > > Sward,> I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45
with the > system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are > other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well. > He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it > still works great.> > Lance> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail” > <swardfullsail@…> wrote:> >> > I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me> > about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about > > this product?> > > > Thanks,> > > > “Life is a reach, then you jibe”> > > > Sward> > s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32> >> > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Sailing schools Sailing
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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Before jumping to the Strong Track or other low friction systems I tried out a lubricator idea from this group…with great results. Total cost less than $5. Quoting from an email I wrote to one our members: "The sail track on our F30 uses “internal” slides, a T shaped piece with a T width of about 7/8 in. that fits inside the track. We found a very lightweight circular wire key ring that had a similar diameter. I folded two layers of ArmorAll wipes into a pocket around the ring and inserted it into the track between the headboard slide and the next slide down as I was installing the main back on the track. After the first hoisting of the main…it just fell back down the track when the halyard was released…a dramatic change from weeks earlier when the main had to be literally pull down. The wipes and keyring are actually still in the track some 5 weeks later but I’m sure I will have to install some new
ones soon. I add some Silicone spray to the wipes about every other hoisting. The orginal idea to use ArmorAll wipes came from a member of this group about 8 weeks ago(I will try to find his name and give credit). I added the keyring feature to be sure that the film lube would reach inside the slide bearing areas on the track. The wipes cost about $4 and the key ring was free. I think I have a lifetime solution to sticky slides. I gave the system a critical trial run in the middle of the night on the Chesapeake last month. We were flying down the bay in 25 kn. gusting to 30 in the middle of the night…when out of the blue the depth sounder started reading 12 feet and counting down. I immediately started the engine, jibed around, and powered back upwind…and wanted the main down NOW. When the halyard was released…down it fell…almost all the way (the headboard slowed about 5 feet above the boom).
We banged and crashes our way north…while the sounder produced readings that were as low as 3.5 feet…at which point my counsin shrewdly commented, “I don’t think that’s a good number” (we draw 5 feet). Seconds later we saw 90 feet, double checked out positing on the GPS…turned on course and motored south for a while…catching our breath. (turns our that our depth sounder is very sensitive to bubbles from breaking seas…and thinks it is seeing the bottom when it sees the bubbles). Fargo F30 #12 NARISASward <swardfullsail@…> wrote: Do you think it’s worth the money? I don’t want to have to go to the mast to haul it. I am aware of the drill 18V horizontal with winch bit. I’ve tried to make sure all the blocks are running well and correctly placed to get that to
help. Swardcrwindy@… wrote: I like my strong track. Lots of the resistance is from going around the blocks. going up to the mast and hauling there make it much easier. I also do use the cordless drill with a bit made to fit the winch (easiest solution)> > From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>> Date: 2006/02/04 Sat PM 09:36:32 EST> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail Track> > Thanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s difficult hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but haven’t priced it yet. > > Sward> > “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…>
wrote:> I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken system works a bit better, but at about twice the price.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail Track> > > Sward,> I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the > system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are > other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well. > He’s had the system on
his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it > still works great.> > Lance> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail” > <swardfullsail@…> wrote:> >> > I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me> > about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about > > this product?> > > > Thanks,> > > > “Life is a reach, then you jibe”> > > > Sward> > s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32> >> > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing > >
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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)
The single greatest source of friction is where the halyard exits
the mast and I know of no easy solution for it. The primary fix is a
properly lubed mast track(sailkote), a freely turning mast head
sheave (roller bearing) and a properly sized halyard (not too large
for the sheave). Secondary fixes involves an extra large roller
bearing turning block at the mast base (ie. 3" Harken). Tertiary fix
is hoisting with all reefs loose to their maximum hoisted extension,
outhaul and vang loose. Finally, hoising position is critical. wear
a pair of gloves, place your butt on the coaming, brace your legs
agains the bulkhead and use your legs, back and shoulders to their
maximum advantage. Then, if all else fails, throw money at it. Al is
correct that the greatest advantage of the Strong track is in
dropping the sail.
Another thing to consider is the weight of the sail itself. The old
Haarsticks and others used a flat, 1.5’ batten that adds a lot of
weight. Maybe your sail maker could convert to lighter battens. Each
pound of weight saved is probably 2 or more pounds of pulling force.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Sward <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:
Do you think it’s worth the money? I don’t want to have to go to
the mast to haul it. I am aware of the drill 18V horizontal with
winch bit. I’ve tried to make sure all the blocks are running well
and correctly placed to get that to help.Sward
crwindy@… wrote:
I like my strong track. Lots of the resistance is from going
around the blocks. going up to the mast and hauling there make it
much easier. I also do use the cordless drill with a bit made to fit
the winch (easiest solution)From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
Date: 2006/02/04 Sat PM 09:36:32 EST
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackThanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor
it’s difficult hauling the sail up. This seems like a good
solution, but haven’t priced it yet.Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You
need to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the
Harken system works a bit better, but at about twice the price.Al Lorman
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackSward,
I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45
with the
system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there
are
other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely
well.
He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he
says it
still works great.Lance
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<swardfullsail@> wrote:I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently
told me
about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience
about
this product?Thanks,
“Life is a reach, then you jibe”
Sward
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Posted by crwindy@…> (crwindy@…>)
I can’t say whether the strong track is ‘worth it’ as my boat came with it. The
winch drill is certainly worth the relatively low cost.
From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
Date: 2006/02/05 Sun PM 02:23:36 EST
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackDo you think it’s worth the money? I don’t want to have to go to the mast to
haul it. I am aware of the drill 18V horizontal with winch bit. I’ve tried to
make sure all the blocks are running well and correctly placed to get that to
help.Sward
crwindy@… wrote:
I like my strong track. Lots of the resistance is from going around the
blocks. going up to the mast and hauling there make it much easier. I also do
use the cordless drill with a bit made to fit the winch (easiest solution)From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
Date: 2006/02/04 Sat PM 09:36:32 EST
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackThanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s difficult
hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but haven’t priced it
yet.Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need to stand
clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken system works a bit
better, but at about twice the price.Al Lorman
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackSward,
I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the
system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are
other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well.
He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it
still works great.Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me
about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about
this product?Thanks,
“Life is a reach, then you jibe”
Sward
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Posted by ABC (oldbrochan@…>)
I’ve been following this correspondence with interest since there are similarities between a Freedom mast and a windsurfer/sailboard mast - both are free standing and both bend as the sail is raised, increasing the amount of pulling power required to set the sail. Could mast bend, as the sail is being raised, be the real reason that Freedom sails are more difficult to hoist compared to ‘normal’ stayed rigs? As a Freedom sail is raised, the mast bends progressively backwards. This creates additional friction, not only at the masthead sheave/roller, but also down the inside of the mast as the masthead sheave/roller moves away from the vertical drop inside the mast. Just a thought.
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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)
David,
As far as I know there is no pre-bend in Freedom rigs. The mast
stays straight when the sail is raised, this in contrast with modern
windsurf rigs and the Wyliecat rig. I think the weight of the sails
is the issue, as well as the many turns in a Freedom halyard.
Feeding all lines back to the cockpit has its cost, that is,
friction. Increasing the masthead sheave and the turn block at the
mast base will help decreasing friction. Also, old, stiffened rope
for a halyard affects friction in the blocks.
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, ABC <oldbrochan@…> wrote:
I’ve been following this correspondence with interest since there
are similarities between a Freedom mast and a windsurfer/sailboard
mast - both are free standing and both bend as the sail is raised,
increasing the amount of pulling power required to set the sail.Could mast bend, as the sail is being raised, be the real reason
that Freedom sails are more difficult to hoist compared to ‘normal’
stayed rigs? As a Freedom sail is raised, the mast bends
progressively backwards. This creates additional friction, not only
at the masthead sheave/roller, but also down the inside of the mast
as the masthead sheave/roller moves away from the vertical drop
inside the mast.Just a thought.
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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Do you use the Strong Track exclusively and not the drill and/or going to the mast to haul up or down from block hold up’s?crwindy@… wrote: I like my strong track. Lots of the resistance is from going around the blocks. going up to the mast and hauling there make it much easier. I also do use the cordless drill with a bit made to fit the winch (easiest solution)> > From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>> Date: 2006/02/04 Sat PM 09:36:32 EST> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail Track> > Thanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s difficult hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but haven’t priced it yet. > > Sward> > “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:> I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken system works a bit better, but at about twice the price.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail Track> > > Sward,> I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the > system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are > other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well. >
He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it > still works great.> > Lance> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail” > <swardfullsail@…> wrote:> >> > I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me> > about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about > > this product?> > > > Thanks,> > > > “Life is a reach, then you jibe”> > > > Sward> > s/v “Dream On” Freedom 32> >> > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing > >
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Posted by crwindy@…> (crwindy@…>)
I usually haul the sail up about half way, and then use the drill to get it up
the rest of the way, and do the final tightening by hand.
I am usually handling the sails myself, along with the helm, so I like to just
get it up quickly.
From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
Date: 2006/02/08 Wed PM 10:45:06 EST
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackDo you use the Strong Track exclusively and not the drill and/or going to the
mast to haul up or down from block hold up’s?crwindy@… wrote: I like my strong track. Lots of the resistance is from
going around the blocks. going up to the mast and hauling there make it much
easier. I also do use the cordless drill with a bit made to fit the winch
(easiest solution)From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
Date: 2006/02/04 Sat PM 09:36:32 EST
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackThanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s difficult
hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but haven’t priced it
yet.Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You need to stand
clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken system works a bit
better, but at about twice the price.Al Lorman
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackSward,
I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with the
system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are
other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well.
He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it
still works great.Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me
about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about
this product?Thanks,
“Life is a reach, then you jibe”
Sward
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
One thing you have to realize is that when you use a powered winch or
a 3/4 in drill to turn a winch that you’re dealing with the symptoms
but not the disease. Freedoms are notorious for excessive friction
which is exacerbated by heavy roachy full batten sails. You need to
reduce friction not fight to overcome it. On our 39 I’d religiously
use SailKote and I’d jump the halyards from the masts, not the
cockpit. I was able to raise the sails up to nearly full hoist by
hand. Before spending time and money fighting friction, why not try to
reduce it? Strong Track is not particularly expensive. For those not
constrained by budget Harken and Antal offer excellent products.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Sward <swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Do you use the Strong Track exclusively and not the drill and/or
going to the mast to haul up or down from block hold up’s?crwindy@… wrote: I like my strong track. Lots of the resistance
is from going around the blocks. going up to the mast and hauling
there make it much easier. I also do use the cordless drill with a bit
made to fit the winch (easiest solution)From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
Date: 2006/02/04 Sat PM 09:36:32 EST
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackThanks for the feedback. Being a single handed woman sailor it’s
difficult hauling the sail up. This seems like a good solution, but
haven’t priced it yet.Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I have a Strong Track and I’m very pleased with it. You
need to stand clear when you release the halyard. I’m told the Harken
system works a bit better, but at about twice the price.Al Lorman
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:53 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Sail TrackSward,
I don’t know it first-hand, but I recently was aboard an F-45 with
the
system. I asked him how he liked it and he said, “well, there are
other Freedom owners who hate me.” He said it works extremely well.
He’s had the system on his boat for about 3 years now, and he says it
still works great.Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@> wrote:I know this was discussed awhile ago, but someone recently told me
about the Strong Track System. Has anyone had any experience about
this product?Thanks,
“Life is a reach, then you jibe”
Sward
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