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Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)

How do you control the mainsheet when you single hand a Freedom 30 (or
similar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer and be able to
control the mainsheet. In any kind of wind, there’s too much pressure
on the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If you have it in the
rope clutch, you can’t release it without also releasing the wheel.
Ditto a few wraps around a winch.

I don’t find myself constantly releasing the mainsheet because of
puffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But Steve Haarstick, in
his notes on sail control (posted here recently), suggests easing the
mainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until the boat has
resumed its prior speed. How do you do that when you’re alone?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Not sure how the F-30 is set up. On my F-33 I have 4:1 purchase on the main. I can hold it while at the wheel but of course gets tiring after a while. There is not much force involved so I put a jam cleat at the back starboard side (could be either or both of the cockpit and just run the sheet straight to it from the cabin top and leave the stopper up. I’ve considered lashing a jam cleat of some sort to the pedestal but it would be more of an obstacle. I’ve also considered using a snatch block on one of the padeyes on the coaming top and routing the sheet to a jam cleat on the back of the cockpit.
Alan F-33 Hull # 51 SEAPR

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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Single handing
How do you control the mainsheet when you single hand a Freedom 30 (orsimilar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer and be able tocontrol the mainsheet. In any kind of wind, there’s too much pressureon the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If you have it in therope clutch, you can’t release it without also releasing the wheel. Ditto a few wraps around a winch.I don’t find myself constantly releasing the mainsheet because ofpuffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But Steve Haarstick, inhis notes on sail control (posted here recently), suggests easing themainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until the boat hasresumed its prior speed. How do you do that when you’re alone? Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)

Al:

Very good question. The promotion for the Freedom
series always talked about ease of handling…but in
fact the control lines are nowhere near the helm. I
have considered replacing the pedestal steering system
with a tiller… in part for this reason. The tiller is
much more suitable for a small boat like this…and it
places the helmsman closer to all of the control
lines. A tiller with a position lock would solve the
single handing issue…and free up so much cockpit
space when at anchor. Flip the tiller up…and you
have a cockpit that is almost two feet longer.

Fargo
F30 #12

— ajlorman <ajlorman@…> wrote:

How do you control the mainsheet when you single
hand a Freedom 30 (or
similar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer and
be able to
control the mainsheet. In any kind of wind, there’s
too much pressure
on the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If
you have it in the
rope clutch, you can’t release it without also
releasing the wheel.
Ditto a few wraps around a winch.

I don’t find myself constantly releasing the
mainsheet because of
puffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But
Steve Haarstick, in
his notes on sail control (posted here recently),
suggests easing the
mainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until
the boat has
resumed its prior speed. How do you do that when
you’re alone?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by hxschiller (schiller@…>)

Because I’m Tiller-conditioned, I often steer a boat with a wheel
while sitting in front of the wheel,on the winward side, moving the
bottom of the wheel analogous to a tiller. This places me closer to
the lines, and letting me see in both directions fore and
aft. Herm
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Fargo Rousseau
<fargo_r@y…> wrote:

Al:

Very good question. The promotion for the Freedom
series always talked about ease of handling…but in
fact the control lines are nowhere near the helm. I
have considered replacing the pedestal steering system
with a tiller… in part for this reason. The tiller is
much more suitable for a small boat like this…and it
places the helmsman closer to all of the control
lines. A tiller with a position lock would solve the
single handing issue…and free up so much cockpit
space when at anchor. Flip the tiller up…and you
have a cockpit that is almost two feet longer.

Fargo
F30 #12

— ajlorman <ajlorman@y…> wrote:

How do you control the mainsheet when you single
hand a Freedom 30 (or
similar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer and
be able to
control the mainsheet. In any kind of wind, there’s
too much pressure
on the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If
you have it in the
rope clutch, you can’t release it without also
releasing the wheel.
Ditto a few wraps around a winch.

I don’t find myself constantly releasing the
mainsheet because of
puffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But
Steve Haarstick, in
his notes on sail control (posted here recently),
suggests easing the
mainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until
the boat has
resumed its prior speed. How do you do that when
you’re alone?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Fargo:

I would have gladly bought a tiller boat; I agree with the Europeans that a 30 footer doesn’t need a wheel. However, now that I have a new pedestal guard, instruments and wheel pilot mounted, removing it does seem a bit rash. I’ll need some other fix.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo RousseauSent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:17 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Single handingAl:Very good question. The promotion for the Freedomseries always talked about ease of handling…but infact the control lines are nowhere near the helm. Ihave considered replacing the pedestal steering systemwith a tiller… in part for this reason. The tiller ismuch more suitable for a small boat like this…and itplaces the helmsman closer to all of the controllines. A tiller with a position lock would solve thesingle handing issue…and free up so much cockpitspace when at anchor. Flip the tiller up…and youhave a cockpit that is almost two feet longer. FargoF30 #12— ajlorman <ajlorman@…> wrote:> How do you control the mainsheet when you single> hand a Freedom 30 (or> similar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer and> be able to> control the mainsheet. In any kind of wind, there’s> too much pressure> on the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If> you have it in the> rope clutch, you can’t release it without also> releasing the wheel. > Ditto a few wraps around a winch.> > I don’t find myself constantly releasing the> mainsheet because of> puffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But> Steve Haarstick, in> his notes on sail control (posted here recently),> suggests easing the> mainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until> the boat has> resumed its prior speed. How do you do that when> you’re alone? > > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > > >
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Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
One word, “autopilot”. When singlehanding my 32 I spend a good bit of time sitting in the companionway which enables me to reach everything. I’ve also swapped-out my origional line stoppers for Garhauer clutches, so unloading the line is not a priority. Also, my pilot will tack for me if I;m busy with lines, etc.

I also read Haarsticks advice on “how to come about”. Personally, the few times I’ve seen that procedure employed was only on very well crewed, highly motivated/agressive race boats. Otherwise it’s mostly a small boat tactic. Certainly not something you would try to do by yourself alone on a boat with a 400 sq.ft. main in a good breeze.

PWMajlorman <ajlorman@…> wrote:
How do you control the mainsheet when you single hand a Freedom 30 (orsimilar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer and be able tocontrol the mainsheet. In any kind of wind, there’s too much pressureon the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If you have it in therope clutch, you can’t release it without also releasing the wheel. Ditto a few wraps around a winch.I don’t find myself constantly releasing the mainsheet because ofpuffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But Steve Haarstick, inhis notes on sail control (posted here recently), suggests easing themainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until the boat hasresumed its prior speed. How do you do that when you’re alone? Al LormanF30 Ab Initio
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Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
You have an interesting point regarding the use of a tiller. Knowing Garry Hoyt’s penchant for simplicity in the early days, I’ve often wondered if the Hoyt 32s weren’t actually designed to be equipped with tillers, but were produced with wheels to satisfy trends, and help justify their rather high initial cost when new. I must say on the 32 it would be a “piece of cake” to change over.

If anybody talks to Garry, That would be an interesting question.

PWMFargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:
Al:Very good question. The promotion for the Freedomseries always talked about ease of handling…but infact the control lines are nowhere near the helm. Ihave considered replacing the pedestal steering systemwith a tiller… in part for this reason. The tiller ismuch more suitable for a small boat like this…and itplaces the helmsman closer to all of the controllines. A tiller with a position lock would solve thesingle handing issue…and free up so much cockpitspace when at anchor. Flip the tiller up…and youhave a cockpit that is almost two feet longer. FargoF30 #12— ajlorman <ajlorman@…> wrote:> How do you control the mainsheet when you single> hand a Freedom 30 (or> similar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer and> be able to> control
the mainsheet. In any kind of wind, there’s> too much pressure> on the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If> you have it in the> rope clutch, you can’t release it without also> releasing the wheel. > Ditto a few wraps around a winch.> > I don’t find myself constantly releasing the> mainsheet because of> puffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But> Steve Haarstick, in> his notes on sail control (posted here recently),> suggests easing the> mainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until> the boat has> resumed its prior speed. How do you do that when> you’re alone? > > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > > >
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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

Autopilot and self tailing winches and having the traveler sheets
led to the same side of the boat, are the key elements. Also setting
the traveler and main for their approximate position before tacking.
And, if racing, bring crew. Otherwise, relax.



— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@y…> wrote:

How do you control the mainsheet when you single hand a Freedom 30
(or
similar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer and be able to
control the mainsheet. In any kind of wind, there’s too much
pressure
on the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If you have it in
the
rope clutch, you can’t release it without also releasing the
wheel.
Ditto a few wraps around a winch.

I don’t find myself constantly releasing the mainsheet because of
puffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But Steve Haarstick, in
his notes on sail control (posted here recently), suggests easing
the
mainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until the boat has
resumed its prior speed. How do you do that when you’re alone?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)

Al:

I agree, desirable but a bit rash. I may make the
change some day…but will sail “as is” for now. Some
combination of “set and forget” and tacking autopilot
is all we can do for now. If caution in really gusty
conditons dictates keeping the main sheet at hand,
then different sheet stoppers is the answer.

Fargo

Heading south next week…offshore

— “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:

Fargo:

I would have gladly bought a tiller boat; I agree
with the Europeans
that a 30 footer doesn’t need a wheel. However, now
that I have a new
pedestal guard, instruments and wheel pilot mounted,
removing it does
seem a bit rash. I’ll need some other fix.

Al

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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fargo Rousseau
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:17 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Single handing

Al:

Very good question. The promotion for the Freedom
series always talked about ease of handling…but in
fact the control lines are nowhere near the helm. I
have considered replacing the pedestal steering
system
with a tiller… in part for this reason. The tiller
is
much more suitable for a small boat like this…and
it
places the helmsman closer to all of the control
lines. A tiller with a position lock would solve the
single handing issue…and free up so much cockpit
space when at anchor. Flip the tiller up…and you
have a cockpit that is almost two feet longer.

Fargo
F30 #12

— ajlorman <ajlorman@…> wrote:

How do you control the mainsheet when you single
hand a Freedom 30 (or
similar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer
and
be able to
control the mainsheet. In any kind of wind,
there’s
too much pressure
on the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If
you have it in the
rope clutch, you can’t release it without also
releasing the wheel.
Ditto a few wraps around a winch.

I don’t find myself constantly releasing the
mainsheet because of
puffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But
Steve Haarstick, in
his notes on sail control (posted here recently),
suggests easing the
mainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until
the boat has
resumed its prior speed. How do you do that when
you’re alone?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Just my 2cts, but having a sheet through a stopper that doesn’t have
a quick release seems a little dangerous. On Bright Star, the mizzen
halyard goes around a self tailing winch behind the helm, which can
be released very quickly . The main sheet is a 4:1 purchase that
runs back to the cockpit on the port side of the companionway to a
clam cleat (not to be confused with a ‘cam cleat’ which requires a
fairlead near it to be effective) sized for the sheet. If I’m single-
handing (an often even with crew), I leave a loop of the main sheet
on the cockpit floor so no one trips on it and hang the other end
over the steering pedestal. This way if the boat suddenly becomes
overpowered, I can flip the main sheet straight up out of the cleat
and ease it as necessary. If it’s blowing so hard that I can’t hand
over hand the sail in, I can put it on the halyard winch right next
to the cleat and use the self tailer.

I race on a C&C where the main sheet goes through a line stopper,
and I really hate that system. It’s one more thing someone has to
remember to flip open at mark roundings or even on gusty boston
harbor evenings, and most times the boat is already through the
danger point by the time someone has regained their balance and
released the sheet.


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Fargo Rousseau
<fargo_r@y…> wrote:

Al:

I agree, desirable but a bit rash. I may make the
change some day…but will sail “as is” for now. Some
combination of “set and forget” and tacking autopilot
is all we can do for now. If caution in really gusty
conditons dictates keeping the main sheet at hand,
then different sheet stoppers is the answer.

Fargo

Heading south next week…offshore

— “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@y…> wrote:

Fargo:

I would have gladly bought a tiller boat; I agree
with the Europeans
that a 30 footer doesn’t need a wheel. However, now
that I have a new
pedestal guard, instruments and wheel pilot mounted,
removing it does
seem a bit rash. I’ll need some other fix.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fargo Rousseau
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:17 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Single handing

Al:

Very good question. The promotion for the Freedom
series always talked about ease of handling…but in
fact the control lines are nowhere near the helm. I
have considered replacing the pedestal steering
system
with a tiller… in part for this reason. The tiller
is
much more suitable for a small boat like this…and
it
places the helmsman closer to all of the control
lines. A tiller with a position lock would solve the
single handing issue…and free up so much cockpit
space when at anchor. Flip the tiller up…and you
have a cockpit that is almost two feet longer.

Fargo
F30 #12

— ajlorman <ajlorman@y…> wrote:

How do you control the mainsheet when you single
hand a Freedom 30 (or
similar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer
and
be able to
control the mainsheet. In any kind of wind,
there’s
too much pressure
on the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If
you have it in the
rope clutch, you can’t release it without also
releasing the wheel.
Ditto a few wraps around a winch.

I don’t find myself constantly releasing the
mainsheet because of
puffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But
Steve Haarstick, in
his notes on sail control (posted here recently),
suggests easing the
mainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until
the boat has
resumed its prior speed. How do you do that when
you’re alone?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by crwindy@…> (crwindy@…>)

I agree that it is a pain, but I just push the button on the autopilot and go up
to the sheets.

From: “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…>
Date: 2005/10/30 Sun PM 10:39:31 EST
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Single handing

Fargo:

I would have gladly bought a tiller boat; I agree with the Europeans
that a 30 footer doesn’t need a wheel. However, now that I have a new
pedestal guard, instruments and wheel pilot mounted, removing it does
seem a bit rash. I’ll need some other fix.

Al

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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo Rousseau
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:17 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Single handing

Al:

Very good question. The promotion for the Freedom
series always talked about ease of handling…but in
fact the control lines are nowhere near the helm. I
have considered replacing the pedestal steering system
with a tiller… in part for this reason. The tiller is
much more suitable for a small boat like this…and it
places the helmsman closer to all of the control
lines. A tiller with a position lock would solve the
single handing issue…and free up so much cockpit
space when at anchor. Flip the tiller up…and you
have a cockpit that is almost two feet longer.

Fargo
F30 #12

— ajlorman <ajlorman@…> wrote:

How do you control the mainsheet when you single
hand a Freedom 30 (or
similar)? I’ve never figured out a way to steer and
be able to
control the mainsheet. In any kind of wind, there’s
too much pressure
on the sail to simply hand-hold the mainsheet. If
you have it in the
rope clutch, you can’t release it without also
releasing the wheel.
Ditto a few wraps around a winch.

I don’t find myself constantly releasing the
mainsheet because of
puffs; the F30 is far too stable for that. But
Steve Haarstick, in
his notes on sail control (posted here recently),
suggests easing the
mainsheet when tacking and not pulling it in until
the boat has
resumed its prior speed. How do you do that when
you’re alone?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by seychellois_lib (seychellois_lib@…>)

I singlehand almost all the time on the California Delta and SF Bay.
I’ve experienced winds gusting to 35-40 KTS maybe a bit higher, I was
too busy to pull out my Davis wind meter and check!!

First off, In anything more than about 25 KTS I have a triple reef in
the main, jib remains up. There’s just a hankie up there but the boat
drives at hull speed and she’s nicely balanced. Stays that way up to
about 35 KTS, above that I can’t depower enough to balance her. I
basically leave the main sheet completely alone and power, depower
using the traveller which is easy from the helm. I use this method in
all weathers once I have a generally good set with the main sheet, the
cunningham, and the vang.

The scariest part for me, and the hardest to handle alone is off the
wind sailing in heavy air. My downwind trips can be very lenghty. They
often start in light air and end in a gail. I tend not to stop and
reef as I should, the boat goes like stink so its thrilling to simply
leave the whole main up…until I have to jibe. The bay and large
expanses of the Delta can develop a wicked chop, especially in an ebb
tide vs thirty KTS of wind. Downwind you’re surfing breaking four to
five footers and sweating a broach. When jibe time comes I’ll often
wear around rather than risk it. Even wearing around is scary. I find
the chore of managing the helm in a following sea combined with
winching in the main for a jibe and actually executing a jibe in 30
KTS by myself is just too much.

On the wind I’ve often wondered how I would further depower the boat
once I have the third reef in. I have lowered the jib to reduce sail
area but once you’ve done that you’re at the end of it. The boat
becomes a little unmanageable over about 40 KTS - not because she
won’t go to weather, she’s just too overpowered. When I have new sails
built in a few years I was thinking of having either a fourth reefing
point installed or moving each of the three points I currently have
several feet higher to give me esentially a storm sail on the third reef.

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Posted by kholden@…> (kholden@…>)


Gee, this sounds just like our experience on the Long Island Sound, except we have decimal points between the 3 and 5 kts of windspeed. Having never used anything but one reef, and that only once, I have nothing to advise you on except and offer to trade boats some weekend. At least our drinks and food don’t slide around on the cockpit table.

Jealous in Connecticut

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-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat Nov 05 10:19:55 2005
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Single handing

I singlehand almost all the time on the California Delta and SF Bay.
I’ve experienced winds gusting to 35-40 KTS maybe a bit higher, I was
too busy to pull out my Davis wind meter and check!!

First off, In anything more than about 25 KTS I have a triple reef in
the main, jib remains up. There’s just a hankie up there but the boat
drives at hull speed and she’s nicely balanced. Stays that way up to
about 35 KTS, above that I can’t depower enough to balance her. I
basically leave the main sheet completely alone and power, depower
using the traveller which is easy from the helm. I use this method in
all weathers once I have a generally good set with the main sheet, the
cunningham, and the vang.

The scariest part for me, and the hardest to handle alone is off the
wind sailing in heavy air. My downwind trips can be very lenghty. They
often start in light air and end in a gail. I tend not to stop and
reef as I should, the boat goes like stink so its thrilling to simply
leave the whole main up…until I have to jibe. The bay and large
expanses of the Delta can develop a wicked chop, especially in an ebb
tide vs thirty KTS of wind. Downwind you’re surfing breaking four to
five footers and sweating a broach. When jibe time comes I’ll often
wear around rather than risk it. Even wearing around is scary. I find
the chore of managing the helm in a following sea combined with
winching in the main for a jibe and actually executing a jibe in 30
KTS by myself is just too much.

On the wind I’ve often wondered how I would further depower the boat
once I have the third reef in. I have lowered the jib to reduce sail
area but once you’ve done that you’re at the end of it. The boat
becomes a little unmanageable over about 40 KTS - not because she
won’t go to weather, she’s just too overpowered. When I have new sails
built in a few years I was thinking of having either a fourth reefing
point installed or moving each of the three points I currently have
several feet higher to give me esentially a storm sail on the third reef.







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Posted by seychellois_lib (seychellois_lib@…>)

Ha Ha, drinks and food in the cockpit. I’m generally trying to stay IN
the cockpit and not get killed. If you ever watch the movie “Das
Boot”, picture the scene when the two subs meet in the North Atlantic
and the skippers yell across the water at each other. The conditions
remind me of me sailing the SF slot.

Actually, once you are behind Tiberon or Angel Island, the bay can be
very pleasant, you can watch the fireworks in the slot from a safe
distance…and get your reefing stategy properly rehearsed.

And by the way, I meant gale not Gail. walks off stage in embarrassment




— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, <kholden@g…> wrote:

Gee, this sounds just like our experience on the Long Island Sound,
except we have decimal points between the 3 and 5 kts of windspeed.
Having never used anything but one reef, and that only once, I have
nothing to advise you on except and offer to trade boats some weekend.
At least our drinks and food don’t slide around on the cockpit table.

Jealous in Connecticut

Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net)

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat Nov 05 10:19:55 2005
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Single handing

I singlehand almost all the time on the California Delta and SF Bay.
I’ve experienced winds gusting to 35-40 KTS maybe a bit higher, I was
too busy to pull out my Davis wind meter and check!!

First off, In anything more than about 25 KTS I have a triple reef in
the main, jib remains up. There’s just a hankie up there but the boat
drives at hull speed and she’s nicely balanced. Stays that way up to
about 35 KTS, above that I can’t depower enough to balance her. I
basically leave the main sheet completely alone and power, depower
using the traveller which is easy from the helm. I use this method in
all weathers once I have a generally good set with the main sheet, the
cunningham, and the vang.

The scariest part for me, and the hardest to handle alone is off the
wind sailing in heavy air. My downwind trips can be very lenghty. They
often start in light air and end in a gail. I tend not to stop and
reef as I should, the boat goes like stink so its thrilling to simply
leave the whole main up…until I have to jibe. The bay and large
expanses of the Delta can develop a wicked chop, especially in an ebb
tide vs thirty KTS of wind. Downwind you’re surfing breaking four to
five footers and sweating a broach. When jibe time comes I’ll often
wear around rather than risk it. Even wearing around is scary. I find
the chore of managing the helm in a following sea combined with
winching in the main for a jibe and actually executing a jibe in 30
KTS by myself is just too much.

On the wind I’ve often wondered how I would further depower the boat
once I have the third reef in. I have lowered the jib to reduce sail
area but once you’ve done that you’re at the end of it. The boat
becomes a little unmanageable over about 40 KTS - not because she
won’t go to weather, she’s just too overpowered. When I have new sails
built in a few years I was thinking of having either a fourth reefing
point installed or moving each of the three points I currently have
several feet higher to give me esentially a storm sail on the third
reef.

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