Posted by allenmcclung (amcclung@…>)
Can somebody tell me how many lines are hooked up to the spinnaker? I
know there’s the halyard and the two clews, port and stb. That’s 3.
Are there also two reins, port and stb., which hold the yard in a
stable position centered on the bow? How many yard retracter/extender
lines are there, or is that the same as the reins? Next, the dousing
line. Where’s that go? I didn’t see anything on the instruction page
about it. Please pardon my ignorance. I think I’ve been sailing this
boat a few cards/lines short of a full deck.
Lastly, the clam-shell vent on the bow of the boat is cracked and
needs replacing. The only identifying letters on it is “PYHI.” From
the outside to the outside of the part that fits in the hole, it
measures 5 and 5/8". The top part of the vent, where it fits flush
down with the deck of the boat is 6".
Thanks for your patience and help.
Allen McClung
Posted by zemach99 (baileyg@…>)
Spinnaker Lines: Spinnaker halyard. Port and starboard clew lines (or sheet and
guy, depending on which tack you are on). Port and starboard “reins” for the
yard
(afixed to ends of yard, running to aft end of cabintop). Port and starboard
yard
control lines that run from end of yard to fixture on top of bow pulpitthat
holds
the spinnaker yard through pullys located on that device to bottom of bow pulpit
through pullys located there and thence aft over rope guides at front of cabin
top
to aft end of cabin top (in theory, you can control the movement of yard back
and
forth through the fitting/SS tube that the pole slides through from the cockpit,
but I find it works well only after you go forward and push the yard to a more
or
less centered position with your hand). Very light weight 1/8" line to center of
spinnaker (either a cringle or a cloth tab should be roughly in the center of
the
spinnaker for this line to attach to). This line is used to haul the spinnaker
back
into its sleeve. Not counting the spinnaker/jib halyard, that’s seven lines
(some
people add a separate spin hallard, a good idea if you are going to use it a lot
along
with a jib). Since I ran my mainsail clew outhaul and boom vang (vang split to
both sides of cabin top, outhaul to one side only) to the aft end of the cabin,
that
was three more lines. I added lines on each side of the cabintop to control
(fore
and aft) the pully the jib sheets run though on their way aft (to control jib
shape), and added a jib downhaul, so I could drop the jib without leaving the
cockpit. Add to all this two reefing lines and two halyards and the two lines
used
to control the position of the travler and you get 21 lines running to the
cockpit.
I never could afford to color-code, just had to use the bits of line I had
around or
could pick up on sale. No problem for me keeping track or what did what, since I
rigged it, but this setup drove my crew crazy when racing. “Ease the starboard
spinnaker clew line! No, not that line, the blue one! No, not that blue one, the
other blue one. No, the blue on with the white flakes, not the red flakes . . .
etc.”
With inexperienced crew, racing with 21 lines falling over the back of the
cabintop
is a real hoot.
I decided 21 lines made for too big a mess, so I simplified by just running the
vang to one side and getting rid of the spinnaker yard and its four control
lines,
instead flying the spinnaker with a pole from the mast like everyone else does
(this requires a pole downhaul - I have a light pole and so get by without a
topping lift). I kept the spinnaker downhaul, though I do not use the sleeve,
just
the usual quick-set spinnaker bag. So I do have to go forward to stuff it back
into
the bag. But that sleeve is ugly, takes up a lot of space (as does the also
ugly,
heavy yard) and often the spinnaker hangs up on something so you have to go
forward anyway.
I do not have a vent on the bow of my boat. I have a small hatch at the front of
the cabin. Bomar I think. That is avaliable from West Marine and other such
outlets.
83’ F21 “Louis B.”
Pamlico River, NC
Posted by allenmcclung (amcclung@…>)
George,
Thank you for the detailed instructions. I’m not familiar with the
protocol on this forum, so maybe I should send further questions to
you via e-mail. If there’s an “in-charge” forum person, let me know.
I notice you are from the Pamlico River area of NC. I’m hoping to
sail the area between the Outer Banks and mainland this fall. I was
thinking of putting in on the Neuse River.
Allen
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “zemach99” <baileyg@m…>
wrote:
Spinnaker Lines: Spinnaker halyard. Port and starboard clew lines
(or sheet and
guy, depending on which tack you are on). Port and
starboard “reins” for the yard
(afixed to ends of yard, running to aft end of cabintop). Port and
starboard yard
control lines that run from end of yard to fixture on top of bow
pulpitthat holds
the spinnaker yard through pullys located on that device to bottom
of bow pulpit
through pullys located there and thence aft over rope guides at
front of cabin top
to aft end of cabin top (in theory, you can control the movement of
yard back and
forth through the fitting/SS tube that the pole slides through from
the cockpit,
but I find it works well only after you go forward and push the
yard to a more or
less centered position with your hand). Very light weight 1/8" line
to center of
spinnaker (either a cringle or a cloth tab should be roughly in the
center of the
spinnaker for this line to attach to). This line is used to haul
the spinnaker back
into its sleeve. Not counting the spinnaker/jib halyard, that’s
seven lines (some
people add a separate spin hallard, a good idea if you are going to
use it a lot along
with a jib). Since I ran my mainsail clew outhaul and boom vang
(vang split to
both sides of cabin top, outhaul to one side only) to the aft end
of the cabin, that
was three more lines. I added lines on each side of the cabintop
to control (fore
and aft) the pully the jib sheets run though on their way aft (to
control jib
shape), and added a jib downhaul, so I could drop the jib without
leaving the
cockpit. Add to all this two reefing lines and two halyards and
the two lines used
to control the position of the travler and you get 21 lines
running to the cockpit.
I never could afford to color-code, just had to use the bits of
line I had around or
could pick up on sale. No problem for me keeping track or what did
what, since I
rigged it, but this setup drove my crew crazy when racing. “Ease
the starboard
spinnaker clew line! No, not that line, the blue one! No, not that
blue one, the
other blue one. No, the blue on with the white flakes, not the red
flakes . . . etc.”
With inexperienced crew, racing with 21 lines falling over the back
of the cabintop
is a real hoot.
I decided 21 lines made for too big a mess, so I simplified by just
running the
vang to one side and getting rid of the spinnaker yard and its four
control lines,
instead flying the spinnaker with a pole from the mast like
everyone else does
(this requires a pole downhaul - I have a light pole and so get by
without a
topping lift). I kept the spinnaker downhaul, though I do not use
the sleeve, just
the usual quick-set spinnaker bag. So I do have to go forward to
stuff it back into
the bag. But that sleeve is ugly, takes up a lot of space (as does
the also ugly,
heavy yard) and often the spinnaker hangs up on something so you
have to go
forward anyway.
I do not have a vent on the bow of my boat. I have a small hatch at
the front of
the cabin. Bomar I think. That is avaliable from West Marine and
other such
outlets.
83’ F21 “Louis B.”
Pamlico River, NC
Posted by Bailey, George (baileyg@…>)
I do not know the protocol either, but since the old list was not
administered, I doubt that this one is either.
My email is pybailey@…
if you want to discuss anything offlist.
Sailing down the Neuse and out to the Outer Banks would be fun.
I can get quite rough in the sound in a blow - 22 kts of wind builds up 4.5
to 5’ steep seas, as I found out once. More wind, bigger seas, since it is a
large, shallow (12’ more or less) area.
From: allenmcclung
Reply To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:41 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Spinnaker on the F21
George,
Thank you for the detailed instructions. I’m not familiar with the
protocol on this forum, so maybe I should send further questions to
you via e-mail. If there’s an “in-charge” forum person, let me know.
I notice you are from the Pamlico River area of NC. I’m hoping to
sail the area between the Outer Banks and mainland this fall. I was
thinking of putting in on the Neuse River.
Allen
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “zemach99” <baileyg@m…>
wrote:
Spinnaker Lines: Spinnaker halyard. Port and starboard clew lines
(or sheet and
guy, depending on which tack you are on). Port and
starboard “reins” for the yard
(afixed to ends of yard, running to aft end of cabintop). Port and
starboard yard
control lines that run from end of yard to fixture on top of bow
pulpitthat holds
the spinnaker yard through pullys located on that device to bottom
of bow pulpit
through pullys located there and thence aft over rope guides at
front of cabin top
to aft end of cabin top (in theory, you can control the movement of
yard back and
forth through the fitting/SS tube that the pole slides through from
the cockpit,
but I find it works well only after you go forward and push the
yard to a more or
less centered position with your hand). Very light weight 1/8" line
to center of
spinnaker (either a cringle or a cloth tab should be roughly in the
center of the
spinnaker for this line to attach to). This line is used to haul
the spinnaker back
into its sleeve. Not counting the spinnaker/jib halyard, that’s
seven lines (some
people add a separate spin hallard, a good idea if you are going to
use it a lot along
with a jib). Since I ran my mainsail clew outhaul and boom vang
(vang split to
both sides of cabin top, outhaul to one side only) to the aft end
of the cabin, that
was three more lines. I added lines on each side of the cabintop
to control (fore
and aft) the pully the jib sheets run though on their way aft (to
control jib
shape), and added a jib downhaul, so I could drop the jib without
leaving the
cockpit. Add to all this two reefing lines and two halyards and
the two lines used
to control the position of the travler and you get 21 lines
running to the cockpit.
I never could afford to color-code, just had to use the bits of
line I had around or
could pick up on sale. No problem for me keeping track or what did
what, since I
rigged it, but this setup drove my crew crazy when racing. “Ease
the starboard
spinnaker clew line! No, not that line, the blue one! No, not that
blue one, the
other blue one. No, the blue on with the white flakes, not the red
flakes . . . etc.”
With inexperienced crew, racing with 21 lines falling over the back
of the cabintop
is a real hoot.
I decided 21 lines made for too big a mess, so I simplified by just
running the
vang to one side and getting rid of the spinnaker yard and its four
control lines,
instead flying the spinnaker with a pole from the mast like
everyone else does
(this requires a pole downhaul - I have a light pole and so get by
without a
topping lift). I kept the spinnaker downhaul, though I do not use
the sleeve, just
the usual quick-set spinnaker bag. So I do have to go forward to
stuff it back into
the bag. But that sleeve is ugly, takes up a lot of space (as does
the also ugly,
heavy yard) and often the spinnaker hangs up on something so you
have to go
forward anyway.
I do not have a vent on the bow of my boat. I have a small hatch at
the front of
the cabin. Bomar I think. That is avaliable from West Marine and
other such
outlets.
83’ F21 “Louis B.”
Pamlico River, NC
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Posted by clivaday (clivaday@…>)
July 26. Are you familiar with the Matt Dwyer Freedom 21 website. If
you go there, you will find the “commissioning instructions”, and on
page 4 you will find a diagram showing all lines, and how they are
connected. The website is:
http://www.dwyergreen.com/
I sail and race f 21 #212, fin keel. I have a genoa and blade, plus
an additional halyard for the spinnaker. I have owned and raced many
boats, and find the F 21 the most fun boat to sail alone, or with
one crew. It is very stable and very interesting. One great addition
is a small Harken roller furler for the genoa/jib. Also a Doyle
Sails UPS sail, which is a nylon sail, cut between a genoa and a
spinnaker. It also works on a roller furler, and can be sailed dead
downwind without a pole. You can see it on the Doyle Sails website.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “allenmcclung”
<amcclung@f…> wrote:
Can somebody tell me how many lines are hooked up to the
spinnaker? I
know there’s the halyard and the two clews, port and stb. That’s
Are there also two reins, port and stb., which hold the yard in a
stable position centered on the bow? How many yard
retracter/extender
lines are there, or is that the same as the reins? Next, the
dousing
line. Where’s that go? I didn’t see anything on the instruction
page
about it. Please pardon my ignorance. I think I’ve been sailing
this
boat a few cards/lines short of a full deck.
Lastly, the clam-shell vent on the bow of the boat is cracked and
needs replacing. The only identifying letters on it is “PYHI.”
From
the outside to the outside of the part that fits in the hole, it
measures 5 and 5/8". The top part of the vent, where it fits flush
down with the deck of the boat is 6".
Thanks for your patience and help.
Allen McClung
Posted by Allen McClung (amcclung@…>)
Now I’ve got to have that roller furler. Does the furler work on an existing staysail or jib? What do I look for on Doyle’s website, “Sails UPS sails”?
----- Original Message -----
From: clivaday
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:22 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Spinnaker on the F21
July 26. Are you familiar with the Matt Dwyer Freedom 21 website. If you go there, you will find the “commissioning instructions”, and on page 4 you will find a diagram showing all lines, and how they are connected. The website is: http://www.dwyergreen.com/ I sail and race f 21 #212, fin keel. I have a genoa and blade, plus an additional halyard for the spinnaker. I have owned and raced many boats, and find the F 21 the most fun boat to sail alone, or with one crew. It is very stable and very interesting. One great addition is a small Harken roller furler for the genoa/jib. Also a Doyle Sails UPS sail, which is a nylon sail, cut between a genoa and a spinnaker. It also works on a roller furler, and can be sailed dead downwind without a pole. You can see it on the Doyle Sails website.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “allenmcclung” <amcclung@f…> wrote:> Can somebody tell me how many lines are hooked up to the spinnaker? I > know there’s the halyard and the two clews, port and stb. That’s 3. > Are there also two reins, port and stb., which hold the yard in a > stable position centered on the bow? How many yard retracter/extender > lines are there, or is that the same as the reins? Next, the dousing > line. Where’s that go? I didn’t see anything on the instruction page > about it. Please pardon my ignorance. I think I’ve been sailing this > boat a few cards/lines short of a full deck.> > Lastly, the clam-shell vent on the bow of the boat is cracked and > needs replacing. The only identifying letters on it is “PYHI.” From > the outside to the outside of the part that fits in the hole, it > measures 5 and 5/8". The top part of the vent, where it fits flush > down with the deck of the boat is 6". > > Thanks for your patience and help.> > Allen McClung
Posted by jborigin@… (jborigin@…)
I have the same harken furler works wonderfully on my F21 Jax, fl
Posted by clivaday (clivaday@…>)
July 27. I have a Harken #1851 furler. The drum has a snap shackle
that you can attach to the ring on top of the gunmount, or to the
ring on the end of the spinnaker pole. The upper swivel is attached
to the halyard. Your genoa/jib should have an internal luff wire or
high tech line; if so the furler will work well.
The Doyle UPS site is: www.doylesails.com/sails-cruising-coastal-
spin-ups.htm
Good luck. Let me know how it all turns out for you. Charlie
Livaudais, F 21 “Windfall” # 212, on Mobile Bay, Alabama
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Allen McClung”
<amcclung@f…> wrote:
Now I’ve got to have that roller furler. Does the furler work on
an existing staysail or jib? What do I look for on Doyle’s
website, “Sails UPS sails”?
----- Original Message -----
From: clivaday
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:22 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Spinnaker on the F21
July 26. Are you familiar with the Matt Dwyer Freedom 21
website. If
you go there, you will find the “commissioning instructions”,
and on
page 4 you will find a diagram showing all lines, and how they
are
connected. The website is:
http://www.dwyergreen.com/
I sail and race f 21 #212, fin keel. I have a genoa and blade,
plus
an additional halyard for the spinnaker. I have owned and raced
many
boats, and find the F 21 the most fun boat to sail alone, or
with
one crew. It is very stable and very interesting. One great
addition
is a small Harken roller furler for the genoa/jib. Also a Doyle
Sails UPS sail, which is a nylon sail, cut between a genoa and a
spinnaker. It also works on a roller furler, and can be sailed
dead
downwind without a pole. You can see it on the Doyle Sails
website.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “allenmcclung”
<amcclung@f…> wrote:
Can somebody tell me how many lines are hooked up to the
spinnaker? I
know there’s the halyard and the two clews, port and stb.
That’s
Are there also two reins, port and stb., which hold the yard
in a
stable position centered on the bow? How many yard
retracter/extender
lines are there, or is that the same as the reins? Next, the
dousing
line. Where’s that go? I didn’t see anything on the
instruction
page
about it. Please pardon my ignorance. I think I’ve been
sailing
this
boat a few cards/lines short of a full deck.
Lastly, the clam-shell vent on the bow of the boat is cracked
and
needs replacing. The only identifying letters on it is “PYHI.”
From
the outside to the outside of the part that fits in the hole,
it
measures 5 and 5/8". The top part of the vent, where it fits
flush
down with the deck of the boat is 6".
Thanks for your patience and help.
Allen McClung
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