stain on hull/deck and starting of engine

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Posted by msheehan1 (msheehan1@…>)

3 problems

  1. Rust stains on deck? Seems like someone in the boat yard send
    metal shaving around, this rust stains.

  2. I also have some stains on the hull. I have tried rubbing
    compound, grease remover, windex, softscrub etc etc. Nothing take it
    out.

  3. Last problem. My diesel engine will not start. I have had the
    same problem the last two years. I get it running. I run it for
    about 15-20 minutes and it will not start again. It turns over etc
    etc. Can the engine get flooded? I had to have the boat yard look at
    it last year and it started for them and everything work fine for the
    year. What am I doing wrong.

Thanks,

Mike Sheehan
85 Freedom 32

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Posted by Fred Molden (fredmolden@…>)

Mike, I would check the shutdown cable for kinking or more particularly for
it returning the shut off lever to the proper start position. You may even
readjust it to be sure it is not shutting off the engine when you think it
is ok to start. I know mine has a fine edge where the engine runs or does
not run.
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] stain on hull/deck and starting of engine

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3 problems

  1. Rust stains on deck? Seems like someone in the boat yard send
    metal shaving around, this rust stains.

  2. I also have some stains on the hull. I have tried rubbing
    compound, grease remover, windex, softscrub etc etc. Nothing take it
    out.

  3. Last problem. My diesel engine will not start. I have had the
    same problem the last two years. I get it running. I run it for
    about 15-20 minutes and it will not start again. It turns over etc
    etc. Can the engine get flooded? I had to have the boat yard look at
    it last year and it started for them and everything work fine for the
    year. What am I doing wrong.

Thanks,

Mike Sheehan
85 Freedom 32

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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Rust stains on deck ! Use Whink, available in grocery stores in with the laundry soaps. DO NOT get any on your fingers ! ! Or, Naval Gelly. Andre, " Scaramanga "Fred Molden <fredmolden@…> wrote: Mike, I would check the shutdown cable for kinking or more particularly for it returning the shut off lever to the proper start position. You may even readjust it to be sure it is not shutting off the engine when you think it is ok to start. I know mine has a fine edge where the engine runs or does not run.----- Original Message ----- From: “msheehan1” <msheehan1@…>To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:25 AMSubject: [freedomyachts2003] stain on hull/deck and
starting of engine>3 problems>> 1. Rust stains on deck? Seems like someone in the boat yard send> metal shaving around, this rust stains.>> 2. I also have some stains on the hull. I have tried rubbing> compound, grease remover, windex, softscrub etc etc. Nothing take it> out.>> 3. Last problem. My diesel engine will not start. I have had the> same problem the last two years. I get it running. I run it for> about 15-20 minutes and it will not start again. It turns over etc> etc. Can the engine get flooded? I had to have the boat yard look at> it last year and it started for them and everything work fine for the> year. What am I doing wrong.>> Thanks,>> Mike Sheehan> 85 Freedom
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)


1 and 2) Sometimes an acidic product made
for fiberglass can also be used where others fail.
3. air in the lines could also do it. You
could rebleed the system. I had one situation where the valves were set wrong
for the dual parallel Racor filter setup after recommissioning in the spring. the
engine initially started and ran for about 20 minutes then died and would not
restart or stay on more then a few seconds.

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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of msheehan1
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:25 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] stain
on hull/deck and starting of engine

3 problems

  1. Rust stains on deck? Seems like someone in the boat yard send
    metal shaving around, this rust stains.

  2. I also have some stains on the hull. I have tried rubbing
    compound, grease remover, windex, softscrub etc etc. Nothing take
    it
    out.

  3. Last problem. My diesel engine will not start. I have had
    the
    same problem the last two years. I get it running. I run it for
    about 15-20 minutes and it will not start again. It turns over etc
    etc. Can the engine get flooded? I had to have the boat yard look
    at
    it last year and it started for them and everything work fine for the
    year. What am I doing wrong.

Thanks,

Mike Sheehan
85 Freedom 32




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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

on the ‘air in lines’ subject -

make sure to also check the return line from engine to fuel tank for
blockages. these can create a backpressure that ends up acting very
much like air in the lines and will starve the engine just as
thoroughly.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:

1 and 2) Sometimes an acidic product made for fiberglass can also
be used
where others fail.

  1. air in the lines could also do it. You could rebleed the
    system. I had
    one situation where the valves were set wrong for the dual
    parallel Racor
    filter setup after recommissioning in the spring. the engine
    initially
    started and ran for about 20 minutes then died and would not
    restart or stay
    on more then a few seconds.

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[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of msheehan1
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:25 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] stain on hull/deck and starting of
engine

3 problems

  1. Rust stains on deck? Seems like someone in the boat yard send
    metal shaving around, this rust stains.

  2. I also have some stains on the hull. I have tried rubbing
    compound, grease remover, windex, softscrub etc etc. Nothing
    take it
    out.

  3. Last problem. My diesel engine will not start. I have had the
    same problem the last two years. I get it running. I run it for
    about 15-20 minutes and it will not start again. It turns over etc
    etc. Can the engine get flooded? I had to have the boat yard
    look at
    it last year and it started for them and everything work fine for
    the
    year. What am I doing wrong.

Thanks,

Mike Sheehan
85 Freedom 32

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

Maybe you are aware, but this needs to be said for the record. If
you are having trouble starting your engine and you are cranking for
more than 15 sec., shut off your raw water intake. Reopen it upon
starting. The danger is hydrolock which can do severe and expensive
damage.

Hydrolock is the condition which arises when the aqua muffler and
exhaust hose fill up with water from the action of the raw water
pump. Normally this water is expelled by the force of the exhaust
gasses, but with a non starting engine, the water will back up
through the exhaust valves into the cylinders. Since water is not
compressable, the resulting shock load can damage many moving parts
and some non moving ones. Head Gasket, Valve train, piston, con rod,
rings, to name a few. All expensive.





— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “msheehan1”
<msheehan1@…> wrote:

3 problems

  1. Rust stains on deck? Seems like someone in the boat yard send
    metal shaving around, this rust stains.

  2. I also have some stains on the hull. I have tried rubbing
    compound, grease remover, windex, softscrub etc etc. Nothing
    take it
    out.

  3. Last problem. My diesel engine will not start. I have had the
    same problem the last two years. I get it running. I run it for
    about 15-20 minutes and it will not start again. It turns over etc
    etc. Can the engine get flooded? I had to have the boat yard
    look at
    it last year and it started for them and everything work fine for
    the
    year. What am I doing wrong.

Thanks,

Mike Sheehan
85 Freedom 32

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Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “msheehan1” <msheehan1@…>
wrote:

3 problems

  1. Rust stains on deck? Seems like someone in the boat yard send
    metal shaving around, this rust stains.

  2. I also have some stains on the hull. I have tried rubbing
    compound, grease remover, windex, softscrub etc etc. Nothing take
    it
    out.

  3. Last problem. My diesel engine will not start. I have had the
    same problem the last two years. I get it running. I run it for
    about 15-20 minutes and it will not start again. It turns over etc
    etc. Can the engine get flooded? I had to have the boat yard look
    at
    it last year and it started for them and everything work fine for
    the
    year. What am I doing wrong.

Thanks,

Mike Sheehan
85 Freedom 32

1 and 2) Try “Sno-Bowl” toilet bowl cleaner. It’s a strong bleach of
some sort. It’s at the Dollar stores. For tougher stuff
try “Barkeeper’s Friend.” It’s in many grocery or hardware stores.
It’s powdered oxalic acid, it’s sorta looks like “Comet” but it
doesn’t have abrasives. Make a paste of it directly on the stain and
rub (and rub, and rub, and rub…) with a damp sponge. With enough
patience almost every stain will come out. It only works on smooth
surfaces though, not on non-skid.

  1. How do you get it going again? There’s an old mechanic’s saying
    that I`ve found to be true: “A running diesel that stops has a fuel
    problem.”

I’d go over the fuel system, bit by bit, start to finish, being
completely anal about it. Consider everything in the fuel system to
be guilty until proven innocent. Is air getting in the fuel line? If
it’s not air getting in and there’s no fuel leaking out, I’d check
for fuel starvation (a clog.) Originally there was a screen in the
bottom of the pick-up tube of the tank. I’d definitely pull that out
and leave it out. Round up the usual suspects after that: clogged
filters, collapsed or deteriorating hoses, loose fuel fitting bolts,
those (#$%*@^) little copper “crush” washers at the joints of the
metal fuel lines, etc. I’d just get rid of the old fuel, too, and
clean out the inside of the tank through the inspection port with a
plastic scrubby pad soaked in alcohol-based fuel dryer, using elbow
grease and paper towels. Get all the gunk out of the bottom. Get the
inside of the tank shiny bright. Refill with fresh fuel. Pump enough
fuel through the lines to insure that there’s fresh fuel everywhere.

Be obsessive. Go nuts. In my F32, I have more trouble with the fuel
system than everything else combined. It’s almost always fuel.

Beyond fuel I’d look at the exhaust elbow. It clogs up with rust over
time and the engine can’t expel the exhaust. It’s a consumable part,
I just change mine every 4 years or so. If you can’t find one,
Mastery Engines in St. Petersburg FL has them. (Unfortunately,
everything will probably be rusted together so hard you’ll have to
buy the exhaust tail piece and the pipe nipple that connects them,
too.)

Rick
Tallahassee

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Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

The stains will come out with Oxalic acid,available from any hardware
store… Make a solution of i cup to 1.5 gallons,brush on,and the iron stain
should come out . Rinse with fresh water. Good for waterline stains as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: “msheehan1” <msheehan1@…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] stain on hull/deck and starting of engine

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3 problems

  1. Rust stains on deck? Seems like someone in the boat yard send
    metal shaving around, this rust stains.

  2. I also have some stains on the hull. I have tried rubbing
    compound, grease remover, windex, softscrub etc etc. Nothing take it
    out.

  3. Last problem. My diesel engine will not start. I have had the
    same problem the last two years. I get it running. I run it for
    about 15-20 minutes and it will not start again. It turns over etc
    etc. Can the engine get flooded? I had to have the boat yard look at
    it last year and it started for them and everything work fine for the
    year. What am I doing wrong.

Thanks,

Mike Sheehan
85 Freedom 32

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Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)


Check the mixing elbow. Mine gets clogged and then shuts the engine down. I clean it and it runs fine!

Scott

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Posted by Frank Minelli (myslo@…>)
Mixing elbow needs to be replaced once in a while, otherwise you will wind up with water in the cylinders, sooner or later.jsforgey@… wrote: Check the mixing elbow. Mine gets clogged and then shuts the engine down. I clean it and it runs fine! Scott
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