Syntron Shaft Seal

ajlorman · November 10, 2006, 5:12pm

Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)

My son completed a long trip under power today and told me that the
engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon dust,
presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the Syntron
materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently supposed to
loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four weeks.
I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my
Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are no
noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft seal
on a Freedom 30?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

svfantasy1 · November 10, 2006, 7:31pm

Posted by svfantasy@… (svfantasy@…>)
It is a possibility the dust you see may be from an improperly tensioned alternator belt. If the belt is lose wear dust will be distributed. I had this experience. Check around the pullys at the front of the engine, if there is substantial dust in this area my bet would be it is from the belt.
Jay

svbagatelle1 · November 10, 2006, 10:23pm

Posted by svbagatelle (svbagatelle@…>)

Al,
I agree with Jay that the black dust is more likely to be from a
belt. It should be possible to examine it and see if there is any
rubber texture to it, or just gritty, dry fine carbon. Unless just
below the shaft seal, the odds are high it is the belt. My
experience with the syntron is that it might leak a little water,
but since it drains to the outside, even if the carbon disks are
rubbing you are not going to get much if any carbon dust inside the
boat.
You do need to “burp” the seal to make sure that the water is
getting into the seal to cool it.
Unfortunately the PSS will not fit on the F30–we’re stuck with
syntron!
Cheers
Paul
“Bagatelle”

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wrote:

My son completed a long trip under power today and told me that
the
engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon
dust,
presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the Syntron
materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently
supposed to
loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four
weeks.
I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my
Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are no
noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft
seal
on a Freedom 30?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

svfantasy1 · November 10, 2006, 11:47pm

Posted by svfantasy@… (svfantasy@…>)
Al,
To make sure your alternator belt is tight enough, use a wrench and turn the alternator pully using the pully nut. If the pully turns but the belt does not, it’s too loose!
Jay

jerry_weinraub1 · November 11, 2006, 12:23am

Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)

The carbon dust will be very fine,and will not feel sticky. The rubber from the belts will be coarser,and will feel rubbery-it is rubber.

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

My son completed a long trip under power today and told me that the engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon dust, presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the Syntron materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently supposed to loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four weeks. I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are no noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft seal on a Freedom 30?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

jerry_weinraub1 · November 11, 2006, 12:31am

Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)
ï»¿
Even better-JC Whitney sells a $10 tool that tightens the belt , so you can test the deflection on pressing it,and then you can take up on the bolts. It fits between the pulleys and is addjusted with an end wrench Simple as that. Necessary if you have a Balmar alt on a Yanmar 3GM30.

----- Original Message -----
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To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Syntron Shaft Seal

Al,
To make sure your alternator belt is tight enough, use a wrench and turn the alternator pully using the pully nut. If the pully turns but the belt does not, it’s too loose!
Jay

Fargo_Rousseau · November 11, 2006, 1:03am

Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Hi Al:Black dust may or may not be coming from Syntron. I doubt it. Never seen a speck of it from this seal in our boat. But seen lots of dust from the alternator/water pump belt. Maybe the clutch might also slip enough to send dust aft…don’t know.We installed a new Yanmar official belt about 40 hours ago…and tightened it quite snugly…then tightened it twice more about every20 hours… and still found dust…lots of black dust…all over the alternator, oil filter, and on the port engine mount base. What I did not notice was that the belt was getting narrower…and descending down into the pulley. The outside surface of the belt should be flush with the outside rim of the pulley. Finally had to change the belt because we could not tighten any more. As for the Syntron seal… of course it was never meant to be greased…but so many are. It was an industrial seal…that fit the small space that Freedom
allowed for a shaft seal (other dripless seals don’t fit…or don’t fit easily). What the seal needs is cool water…flowing around the seal area… Grease just plugs up the flow path and blocks the cooling power of water. I washed my grease plugged seal with water based solvent (probably some kind of liquid soap)…by removing the grease fitting and installing a 1/8 pipe thread barb fitting. Attached a long clear hose to a cup of solvent up at the deck level… and let the soap/solvent work its way down into the seal jacket. Finally, after a few hours of running, the soap disappeared and water appeared in the line. I then installed another barb fitting into a new tee fitting that leads into the water intake filter… This rig pulls water gently from outside of the boat, along the shaft, and into the seal housing area.l… JUST AS IT WAS MEANT TO WORK. Shaft seal housing (the brass housing at the front of
the system) runs at water temperature now…and no change on the 2,000 mile trip up from Florida. I hope it will last forever…as it was designed to do. These seals will run much more than 10,000 hours in harsh industrial applications… Best of luck,FargoF30 #12ajlorman <ajlorman@…> wrote: My son completed a long trip under power today and told me that the engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon dust, presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the
Syntron materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently supposed to loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four weeks. I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are no noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft seal on a Freedom 30? Many thanks. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio

Paul_McFadden · November 11, 2006, 4:01am

Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
Jerry, Just curious, Why does having a Balmar Alternator on a 3GM30 eliminate the need of using a belt tension adjuster?PWM jerry weinraub <zayde@…> wrote: ï»¿ Even better-JC Whitney sells a $10 tool that tightens the belt , so you can test the deflection on pressing it,and then you can take up on the bolts. It fits between the pulleys and is addjusted with an end wrench Simple as that. Necessary
if you have a Balmar alt on a Yanmar 3GM30. ----- Original Message ----- From: svfantasy@myyacht.com To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Syntron Shaft Seal Al, To make sure your alternator belt is tight enough, use a wrench and turn the alternator pully using the pully nut. If the pully turns but the belt does not, it’s too loose! Jay
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jerry_weinraub1 · November 11, 2006, 12:01pm

Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)

Greater load on the belt. The Balmar puts out a real 50-70 amps. The original did half that

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul McFadden
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Syntron Shaft Seal

Jerry,

Just curious, Why does having a Balmar Alternator on a 3GM30 eliminate the need of using a belt tension adjuster?PWM
jerry weinraub <zayde@optonline.net> wrote:

ï»¿ Even better-JC Whitney sells a $10 tool that tightens the belt , so you can test the deflection on pressing it,and then you can take up on the bolts. It fits between the pulleys and is addjusted with an end wrench Simple as that. Necessary if you have a Balmar alt on a Yanmar 3GM30.

----- Original Message -----
From: svfantasy@myyacht.com
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Syntron Shaft Seal

Al,
To make sure your alternator belt is tight enough, use a wrench and turn the alternator pully using the pully nut. If the pully turns but the belt does not, it’s too loose!
Jay

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Paul_McFadden · November 11, 2006, 8:16pm

Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
OK, I see your logic. Interesting enough though I installed a Balmar 80 amp (rated) alternator and smart charger on my 3GM30F (Hoyt32) six or seven months ago. I find that it is VERY difficult to get the belt tight enough to eliminate belt slippage, hence dusting. It appears to boil down to inadequate belt surface to cope with the increased amperage that the Balmar puts out. Also, I’m cautious about over-tensioning the belt due to excessive bearing side load. Therefore, I am going to double belts for more belt area, and elimination of slippage/dusting. A friend of mine who is a marine electrician told me that I would probably have to go that route. He’s done a bunch of these, and speaks from experience. By the way, I never experienced “dusting” from my 55 amp Hitachi. PWMjerry weinraub <zayde@…> wrote: Greater load on the belt. The Balmar puts out a real 50-70 amps. The original did half that ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul McFadden To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Syntron Shaft Seal Jerry, Just curious, Why does having a Balmar Alternator on a 3GM30 eliminate the need of using a belt tension adjuster?PWM jerry weinraub <zayde@optonline.net> wrote: ï»¿ Even better-JC Whitney sells a $10 tool that tightens the belt , so you can test the deflection on pressing it,and then you can take up on the bolts. It fits between the pulleys and
is addjusted with an end wrench Simple as that. Necessary if you have a Balmar alt on a Yanmar 3GM30. ----- Original Message ----- From: svfantasy@myyacht.com To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Syntron Shaft Seal Al, To make sure your alternator belt is tight enough, use a wrench and turn the alternator pully using the pully nut. If
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jerry_weinraub1 · November 11, 2006, 9:34pm

Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)

Yanmar 3gm30 does not like a lot of radial load on the front main bearing. Can you get the specs or such of the double pulleys. You will need 3. Also,what part number is the Gates belt.Local Gates (and other)dealers don’t know length or anything other than part #s

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul McFadden
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Syntron Shaft Seal

OK, I see your logic. Interesting enough though I installed a Balmar 80 amp (rated) alternator and smart charger on my 3GM30F (Hoyt32) six or seven months ago. I find that it is VERY difficult to get the belt tight enough to eliminate belt slippage, hence dusting. It appears to boil down to inadequate belt surface to cope with the increased amperage that the Balmar puts out. Also, I’m cautious about over-tensioning the belt due to excessive bearing side load. Therefore, I am going to double belts for more belt area, and elimination of slippage/dusting. A friend of mine who is a marine electrician told me that I would probably have to go that route. He’s done a bunch of these, and speaks from experience.

By the way, I never experienced “dusting” from my 55 amp Hitachi.

PWMjerry weinraub <zayde@optonline.net> wrote:

Greater load on the belt. The Balmar puts out a real 50-70 amps. The original did half that

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul McFadden
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Syntron Shaft Seal

Jerry,

Just curious, Why does having a Balmar Alternator on a 3GM30 eliminate the need of using a belt tension adjuster?PWM
jerry weinraub <zayde@optonline.net> wrote:

ï»¿ Even better-JC Whitney sells a $10 tool that tightens the belt , so you can test the deflection on pressing it,and then you can take up on the bolts. It fits between the pulleys and is addjusted with an end wrench Simple as that. Necessary if you have a Balmar alt on a Yanmar 3GM30.

----- Original Message -----
From: svfantasy@myyacht.com
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Syntron Shaft Seal

Al,
To make sure your alternator belt is tight enough, use a wrench and turn the alternator pully using the pully nut. If the pully turns but the belt does not, it’s too loose!
Jay

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andre_laviolette · November 13, 2006, 6:56pm

Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
We have Yanmars in both our sailboats and both have belt dust altough properly tentioned. Did not have this problem with , Perkins,Volvo,Westerbeke, etc ? ? ?jerry weinraub <zayde@…> wrote: The carbon dust will be very fine,and will not feel sticky. The rubber from the belts will be coarser,and will feel rubbery-it is rubber. ----- Original Message ----- From: ajlorman To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal My son completed a long trip under power today and told me that the engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon dust, presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the Syntron materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently supposed to loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four weeks. I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite
the dust, there are no noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft seal on a Freedom 30?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio
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Lorman_Alvin_J · November 15, 2006, 3:49pm

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Well, I checked my F30 yesterday and the black dust is very fine and radially emanates from the shaft seal. There is not sufficient space to install a PSS seal. Has anyone found a suitable replacement?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerry weinraubSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:24 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

The carbon dust will be very fine,and will not feel sticky. The rubber from the belts will be coarser,and will feel rubbery-it is rubber.

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

My son completed a long trip under power today and told me that the engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon dust, presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the Syntron materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently supposed to loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four weeks. I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are no noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft seal on a Freedom 30?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

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kollegewidgwock · November 15, 2006, 5:35pm

Posted by kollegewidgwock (kollegewidgwock@…>)

Al,
The Syntron shaft on my Freedom 30 has the fitting that you mention.
I use this fitting to “bleed” the air from the shaft seal when the
boat is launched. This is similiar, as you may know, to
the “burping” procedure which has been described here with reference
to the Syntrons that require that procedure. Of course the purpose
is to provide cooling and lubrication to the shaft and seal.
I believe that there is also a recommendation to periodically purge
the water during the season which is realitively easily done when
underway.
Although it is somewhat obvious (as if anything about sailboat
maintence was obvious), if you need advice on the exact location of
the bleed fitting let me know.
Best,
Don

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Professor of Psychology
Unity College-in-Maine

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<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Well, I checked my F30 yesterday and the black dust is very fine
and
radially emanates from the shaft seal. There is not sufficient
space to
install a PSS seal. Has anyone found a suitable replacement?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerry
weinraub
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:24 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

The carbon dust will be very fine,and will not feel sticky. The
rubber
from the belts will be coarser,and will feel rubbery-it is rubber.

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman mailto:ajlorman@...
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

My son completed a long trip under power today and told me
that
the
engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like
carbon
dust,
presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the
Syntron
materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently
supposed to
loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every
four
weeks.
I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is
my
Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are
no
noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS
shaft seal
on a Freedom 30?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Rees_Midgley · November 15, 2006, 7:04pm

Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Al,I replaced the Syntron seal on my 36/38 with a Syntron Seal from Paul Dennis at Warren River Boat Works. Mine was for a 1" diam shaft, RP-32BHGR flush type. You may need a different model but Paul should know. I also replaced my vang with a fixed version that he provided at the same time. Works great. Here is his address: Paul Dennis Warren River Boat Works P.O. Box 202 325 Water St. Warren, RI 02885 Phone: 401-245-6949 - Rees F36/38, 1986, "Off Island"On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Lorman, Alvin J. wrote: Well, I checked my F30 yesterday and the black dust is very fine and radially emanates from the shaft seal. There is not sufficient space to install a PSS seal. Has anyone found a suitable replacement? Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerry weinraubSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:24 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal The carbon dust will be very fine,and will not feel sticky. The rubber from the belts will be coarser,and will feel rubbery-it is rubber. ----- Original Message ----- From: ajlorman To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal My son completed a long trip under power today and told me that the engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon dust, presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the Syntron materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently supposed to loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four weeks. I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are no noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft seal on a Freedom 30?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

Payne_Doug · November 15, 2006, 7:12pm

Posted by Payne, Doug (doug.payne@…>)

Al:

I have a mull 28, very similar to the 30.
When I bought the boat three years ago, the yard said there was insufficient
space for anything but the syntron. Mine needed replacing. The model in my boat
was out of production, but they had the plans and the yard had them make one.
It was $4-500 to make one, not cheap, but it should last another 15 years or
so.

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Dallas, Texas 75225
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mobile ••• 972.953.8065
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006
9:49 AM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Syntron Shaft Seal

Well, I checked my F30 yesterday and the
black dust is very fine and radially emanates from the shaft seal.
There is not sufficient space to install a PSS seal. Has anyone found a
suitable replacement?

\

Al Lorman

F30 Ab Initio

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[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerry weinraub
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006
7:24 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Syntron Shaft Seal

The carbon dust will be very fine,and will not feel sticky.
The rubber from the belts will be coarser,and will feel rubbery-it is rubber.

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To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November
10, 2006 12:12 PM

Subject:
[freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

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My son completed a long trip under power today and
told me that the
engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon dust,
presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the Syntron
materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently supposed to
loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four weeks.

I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my
Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are no
noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft seal
on a Freedom 30?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Lorman_Alvin_J · November 15, 2006, 7:24pm

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Many thanks, Rees.

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rees MidgleySent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:04 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

Al,

I replaced the Syntron seal on my 36/38 with a Syntron Seal from Paul Dennis at Warren River Boat Works. Mine was for a 1" diam shaft, RP-32BHGR flush type. You may need a different model but Paul should know. I also replaced my vang with a fixed version that he provided at the same time. Works great. Here is his address:
Paul Dennis
Warren River Boat Works
P.O. Box 202
325 Water St.
Warren, RI 02885
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On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Lorman, Alvin J. wrote:

Well, I checked my F30 yesterday and the black dust is very fine and radially emanates from the shaft seal. There is not sufficient space to install a PSS seal. Has anyone found a suitable replacement?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerry weinraubSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:24 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

The carbon dust will be very fine,and will not feel sticky. The rubber from the belts will be coarser,and will feel rubbery-it is rubber.

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

My son completed a long trip under power today and told me that the engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon dust, presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the Syntron materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently supposed to loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four weeks. I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are no noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft seal on a Freedom 30?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

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Lorman_Alvin_J · November 15, 2006, 7:52pm

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Thanks, Doug. I recall you previously posted something about this. I may have to go that route as well.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, DougSent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:13 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

Al:

I have a mull 28, very similar to the 30. When I bought the boat three years ago, the yard said there was insufficient space for anything but the syntron. Mine needed replacing. The model in my boat was out of production, but they had the plans and the yard had them make one. It was $4-500 to make one, not cheap, but it should last another 15 years or so.

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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:49 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

Well, I checked my F30 yesterday and the black dust is very fine and radially emanates from the shaft seal. There is not sufficient space to install a PSS seal. Has anyone found a suitable replacement?

Al Lorman

F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerry weinraubSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:24 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

The carbon dust will be very fine,and will not feel sticky. The rubber from the belts will be coarser,and will feel rubbery-it is rubber.

----- Original Message -----

From: ajlorman

To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:12 PM

Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Syntron Shaft Seal

My son completed a long trip under power today and told me that the engine compartment was freely dusted in what looked like carbon dust, presumably from the Syntron shaft seal. I looked at the Syntron materials I had in my file and read that one is apparently supposed to loosen a fitting and “change” the water in the seal every four weeks. I confess that I’ve never done this. Does anyone do this? Is my Syntron about to disintegrate? (Despite the dust, there are no noticeable leaks.) If so, has anyone replaced it with a PSS shaft seal on a Freedom 30?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.

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