Posted by kenjengreen (kengreen01@…>)
Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the 35 to 38 ft range
this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I think for the $ they
seem to be one of the better used boats out there. I cannot decide
between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
I guess it depends in part on how much money you have to spend up
front, how much money you have to spend on dockage / mooring fees,
etc., and how you plan to use the boat. The 35’s are really great boats
and some of the newer Freedoms you’ll find (the 35, 40/40, and 45 were
all in the same basic production years I believe), and quite honestly
the 35 has some of the nicest interior space and wood I’ve seen on any
boat. They sail well, they are very well thought out, and they have an
aft cabin (although it does have an athwartship bunk rather than
inline). They are also going to be more expensive up front than a
Freedom 38 because of their comparative ages. There’s a lovely 38 at
Constitution Marina, and it’s also very roomy down below, although it
doesn’t have what I’d consider a true aft cabin. The longer waterline
is going to make it a somewhat faster boat than the 35 in most
conditions, but they share a similar rig with a large main and a small
camber-sparred jib. The extra 3’ also means higher storage / slip
charges. Either way you’d be getting an excellent sailboat.
Lance
Bright Star
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “kenjengreen”
<kengreen01@…> wrote:
Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the 35 to 38 ft range
this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I think for the $ they
seem to be one of the better used boats out there. I cannot decide
between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b
Posted by Jeff Chale (jwchale@…>)
I like both boats. The 38 is larger and has more storage room. The 35 is newer and has more modern features. The 35 has no bridge deck and thus is easier to go in and out of the cabin. It has a walk through transom, stall shower and a true “T” shaped cockpit. You can’t make a bad decision. Jeffkenjengreen <kengreen01@…> wrote: Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the 35 to 38 ft range this year and have
narrowed down to a freedom, I think for the $ they seem to be one of the better used boats out there. I cannot decide between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b
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Posted by Jacqui MacConnell (jacimacc@…>)
It may also come to where, and what kind, of use do
you most anticipate? We kayak, so the swim step, or
swim step extension, on the F36/38 is a real boon. It
also could be a life-saver in hauling some one aboard
during a man overboard maneuver. And is my favorite
perch for early morning coffee, or a sunset glass of
whatever.
And if initial purchase price, pre-personally chosen
refit and re-electronics, matters, the 36 is a bit
older yet, but the identical accomodations, to the
F38. TPI later just hull formed the swim step
extension, and stopped offering the F36.
It used to be possible to get that extension direct
from TPI, and affix it to the stern. Giving one more
water line, the nice back patio, and WAY
less acquisition cost. Spend your money on other
wanted/needed items or systems? So try checking the
F36 offerings, also. You’ll be perhaps pleasantly
suprised.
Folks on this list used to say the two foot,
pre-molded, extension job cost about $4,000. Don’t
know what the practcicality or modern day costs are
right now. But they’re surely worth investigating.
Sparrow is a 1986 hull, and she still just amazes and
delights. I am SO happy with this boat. But then, I’ve
loved every Freedom I’ve been aboard, so…
Keep us informed on your hunting status, please.
Best wishes.
Captain Jac,
SPARROW
Taylor Bay,
WA State
— Jeff Chale <jwchale@…> wrote:
I like both boats. The 38 is larger and has more
storage room. The 35 is newer and has more modern
features. The 35 has no bridge deck and thus is
easier to go in and out of the cabin. It has a walk
through transom, stall shower and a true “T” shaped
cockpit.You can’t make a bad decision.
Jeff
kenjengreen <kengreen01@…> wrote:
Hi, I have been looking for a used
sailboat in the 35 to 38 ft range
this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I
think for the $ they
seem to be one of the better used boats out there. I
cannot decide
between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b
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Posted by valkyrie_1996 (akuehne@…>)
I purchased an F35 last spring and I love it! I’m cruising it with my
wife and two kids. We have plenty of space and enjoy a very well
illuminated and ventilated cabin. I love the woodwork and all of the
stainless steel openning glass portlights. The 38 has more water line
so it will have a higher top end speed, but the 35 has a higher sail
area to displacment ratio, so it will likely sail faster in light
winds. The two boats are from different designers, so I would
recommend you get on board both to see which one better agrees with
your tastes. Good luck!
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “kenjengreen”
<kengreen01@…> wrote:
Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the 35 to 38 ft range
this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I think for the $
they
seem to be one of the better used boats out there. I cannot decide
between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b
Posted by kerrynevins (Knevins@…>)
We have owned a 36/38 (F36 with a factory made swim platform added)
since 1992. I have also sailed a F35 for a week in the BVI. The
F36 and 38 were made with the same, conservative sail plan. We have
never had the rail of our boat in the water. We have taken it out
in big winds a number of times just to try to get the rail in the
water.
After the 36 and 38 experience Freedom made a more “performance”
model. The F35 is shorter, narrower and lighter, but has more sail
area than the 36 and 38. I found the 35 to be very tender and a wet
boat. It was much more work than our 36/38 and a lot less
comfortable under way as well as on the hook. Keep this in mind and
sail them both in a stiff breeze before you make your pick.
Happy sailing
Kerry Nevins
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…>
wrote:
I like both boats. The 38 is larger and has more storage room.
The 35 is newer and has more modern features. The 35 has no bridge
deck and thus is easier to go in and out of the cabin. It has a
walk through transom, stall shower and a true “T” shaped cockpit.You can’t make a bad decision.
Jeff
kenjengreen <kengreen01@…> wrote:
Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the 35 to
38 ft range
this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I think for the $
they
seem to be one of the better used boats out there. I cannot decide
between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b
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Posted by Ed Grey (ewlon3@…>)
As Kerry Nevins says, the F38 is an F36 with a sugar
scoop, otherwise nearly identical. If you want to
save some money, buy an F36 and have the scoop added.
There’s a yard in RI (I forget the name) that will do
this for about 40% of the resale value it adds by
making the boat an F38.
— kenjengreen <kengreen01@…> wrote:
Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the
35 to 38 ft range
this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I
think for the $ they
seem to be one of the better used boats out there.
I cannot decide
between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b
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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Paul Dennis (ex-production manager at Freedom Yachts) at Warren River Boatworks does the scoop…and is a great source of help on all Freedom issues. FargoEd Grey <ewlon3@…> wrote: As Kerry Nevins says, the F38 is an F36 with a sugar scoop, otherwise nearly identical. If you want to save some money, buy an F36 and have the scoop added. There’s a yard in RI (I forget the name) that will do this for about 40% of the resale value it adds by making the boat an F38. — kenjengreen <kengreen01@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the > 35 to 38 ft range > this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I > think for the $ they > seem to be one of the better used boats out there. > I cannot decide > between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b > > > __________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Talk more and pay less. Vonage can save you up to $300 a year on your phone bill. Sign up now. http://www.vonage.com/startsavingnow/
Posted by Michael G Katz (mgkatz@…>)
I too have chartered the 35 in BVI, but bought a 38. Mark Edwards sold me–or actually my wife–on the minimal heel
aspect of the boat’s performance. I also talked to one delivery captain who had experience with both, and brought a 38 from Venezuela to Rhode Island. He also encouraged me to go with 38. It is very stiff, even with only a 4’ wing keel. Great nav station, roomy interior with “traditional” American layout. We have no regrets.
But I also liked the 35, and I’m sure I would have been happy with that boat, too. I really liked the separate stall shower on that boat, and liked the aft cabin, too, with its transverse berth. I do think the lines of the 38 are a little nicer, but that is very subjective. If you get a 36, do add the sugar scoop stern and make it a 38.
Michael Katz
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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Trying to decide between freedom 35 or 1991 38? any pros or cons?
We have owned a 36/38 (F36 with a factory made swim platform added) since 1992. I have also sailed a F35 for a week in the BVI. The F36 and 38 were made with the same, conservative sail plan. We have never had the rail of our boat in the water. We have taken it out in big winds a number of times just to try to get the rail in the water.After the 36 and 38 experience Freedom made a more “performance” model. The F35 is shorter, narrower and lighter, but has more sail area than the 36 and 38. I found the 35 to be very tender and a wet boat. It was much more work than our 36/38 and a lot less comfortable under way as well as on the hook. Keep this in mind and sail them both in a stiff breeze before you make your pick.Happy sailingKerry Nevins — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…> wrote:>> I like both boats. The 38 is larger and has more storage room. The 35 is newer and has more modern features. The 35 has no bridge deck and thus is easier to go in and out of the cabin. It has a walk through transom, stall shower and a true “T” shaped cockpit. > > You can’t make a bad decision.> > Jeff> > kenjengreen <kengreen01@…> wrote:> Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the 35 to 38 ft range > this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I think for the $ they > seem to be one of the better used boats out there. I cannot decide > between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.>
Posted by Larry Kraus (kracherlandl@…>)
Do you guys, who speak alot of the “sugar scoop stern” know if anyone
has put one on an F32? How much does an addition like this cost?
Larry Kraus
Michael G Katz wrote:
I too have chartered the 35 in BVI,
but bought a 38. Mark Edwards sold me–or actually my wife–on the
minimal heel
aspect of the boat’s performance. I
also talked to one delivery captain who had experience with both, and
brought a 38 from Venezuela to Rhode Island. He also encouraged me to
go with 38. It is very stiff, even with only a 4’ wing keel. Great nav
station, roomy interior with “traditional” American layout. We have
no regrets.
But I also liked the 35, and I’m
sure I would have been happy with that boat, too. I really liked the
separate stall shower on that boat, and liked the aft cabin, too, with
its transverse berth. I do think the lines of the 38 are a little
nicer, but that is very subjective. If you get a 36, do add the sugar
scoop stern and make it a 38.
Michael Katz
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freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject:
[freedomyachts2003] Re: Trying to decide between freedom 35 or 1991 38?
any pros or cons?
We have owned a 36/38 (F36 with a factory made swim platform
added)
since 1992. I have also sailed a F35 for a week in the BVI. The
F36 and 38 were made with the same, conservative sail plan. We have
never had the rail of our boat in the water. We have taken it out
in big winds a number of times just to try to get the rail in the
water.
After the 36 and 38 experience Freedom made a more “performance”
model. The F35 is shorter, narrower and lighter, but has more sail
area than the 36 and 38. I found the 35 to be very tender and a wet
boat. It was much more work than our 36/38 and a lot less
comfortable under way as well as on the hook. Keep this in mind and
sail them both in a stiff breeze before you make your pick.
Happy sailing
Kerry Nevins
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Jeff Chale <jwchale@…>
wrote:
I like both boats. The 38 is larger and has more storage room.
The 35 is newer and has more modern features. The 35 has no bridge
deck and thus is easier to go in and out of the cabin. It has a
walk through transom, stall shower and a true “T” shaped cockpit.You can’t make a bad decision.
Jeff
kenjengreen <kengreen01@…> wrote:
Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the 35 to
38 ft range
this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I think for the $
they
seem to be one of the better used boats out there. I cannot decide
between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b
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Posted by sitchmo (sylvanm@…>)
We just bought a 1993 Freedom 35. We had chartered the same boat from
the Freedom factory some time ago and it was love at first sight. The
aft berth, spacious interior, stall shower, and the convenience of the
swim platform all made the decision easy.
The boat sails and handles great as well.
BTW - we added a hot/cold shower to the swim platform which has been a
wonderful addition especially for our kids who seem to constantly be
in the water once we are on a mooring.
Good luck.
Mac
Apsara
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “kenjengreen”
<kengreen01@…> wrote:
Hi, I have been looking for a used sailboat in the 35 to 38 ft range
this year and have narrowed down to a freedom, I think for the $ they
seem to be one of the better used boats out there. I cannot decide
between the 35 and 38 any suggestions?b