Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
can anyone help me out? I’m looking at a F30,and the seller ordered the boat with no ac power at all. What does anyone think the boat would be valued at, otherwise in good shape?Thank you.Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote: “There has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of Freedom sails” Haarstick Sailmakers, http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com/ From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Glen Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:39 PM To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Running backs… George, I really do not know. I assume any good sailmaker could do it for you. There has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of Freedom sails, see if you can find the company. I do not have a mizzen staysail, but I found the mizzen stay stored below when I
purchased her. On 11/3/07, George Huffman <thatboatguy2@yahoo.com> wrote: Hey Jay, Most of that makes sense to me now. We don’t have life lines or toe rails on our boat as it’s one of the original design cc versions with a teak taff rail. We also don’t have wishbones or carbon spars although maybe someday… I have found attachment points aft that would make sense for running backs. So… who should we turn to for a mizzen staysail? We are clearly rigged up for one as the halyard is there. Sadly it is apparently one of the things that got stripped from the boat.
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Posted by captainkinsey@… (captainkinsey@…)
Would need to year, current condition, and outfitting as well as location before
I could give you a range on current value.
Andrew
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 00:50:36
To:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac installed
can anyone help me out? I’m looking at a F30,and the seller ordered the boat
with no ac power at all. What does anyone think the boat would be valued at,
otherwise in good shape?
Thank you.
Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote:
“There has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of
Freedom sails” Haarstick Sailmakers, http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com/
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Glen
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:39 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Running backs…
George,
I really do not know. I assume any good sailmaker could do it for you. There
has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of Freedom
sails, see if you can find the company. I do not have a mizzen staysail, but I
found the mizzen stay stored below when I purchased her.
On 11/3/07, George Huffman <thatboatguy2@ mailto:thatboatguy2@...
yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Jay,
Most of that makes sense to me now. We don’t have life lines or toe
rails on our boat as it’s one of the original design cc versions with
a teak taff rail. We also don’t have wishbones or carbon spars
although maybe someday…
I have found attachment points aft that would make sense for running
backs.
So… who should we turn to for a mizzen staysail? We are clearly
rigged up for one as the halyard is there. Sadly it is apparently one
of the things that got stripped from the boat.
George
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Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area
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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)
If
you’re using a broker, he or she can tell you the prices at which F30s
have sold on Yachtworld in the past year or two. There is no way anyone
can give you a reasonable price for a boat about which we only know that it has
no 120AC and is “otherwise in good shape.” Good shape as in
nothing broken but everything original? Everything updated? I
bought an F30 on which everything was in good shape and then I spent about $20K
upgrading everything. Your mileage may vary.
I
think you’re asking the wrong question. Find out how much it would
cost to add AC. The parts alone probably cost less than $500. Get
an estimate if you won’t install it yourself. Then figure out what
you’re willing to p ay for the boat. Most boats sell for about 10
percent less than their asking price.
Al
Lorman
F30
Ab Initio
From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lola Jackson
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:51 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac
installed
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can anyone help me out? I’m looking at a F30,and the seller ordered
the boat with no ac power at all. What does anyone think the boat would
be valued at, otherwise in good shape?
Thank you.
Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote:
“There has been references in earlier posts to a
sailmaker who does alot of Freedom sails” Haarstick Sailmakers,
http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com/
\
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jay Glen
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:39 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Running backs…
\
George,
I really do not know. I assume any good sailmaker could do it for you. There
has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of Freedom
sails, see if you can find the company. I do not have a mizzen staysail, but I
found the mizzen stay stored below when I purchased her.
On 11/3/07, George Huffman
<thatboatguy2@…>
wrote:
Hey Jay,
Most of that makes sense to me now. We don’t have life lines or toe
rails on our boat as it’s one of the original design cc versions with
a teak taff rail. We also don’t have wishbones or carbon spars
although maybe someday…
I have found attachment points aft that would make sense for running
backs.
So… who should we turn to for a mizzen staysail? We are clearly
rigged up for one as the halyard is there. Sadly it is apparently one
of the things that got stripped from the boat.
George
\
Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area
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Posted by fred (fredmolden@…>)
You can get a ballpark figure from the BUC
Value guide. However a wet deck or blisters can drop the price 50%.
A good survey is worth the $$$
From BUC: 1987 Freedom 30
Retail Price Range:*
$29,700-$33,000
\
\
Please see the vessel
condition table below, to determine how condition affects market value.
\
Excellent (Bristol)
Above BUC Condition
BUC Condition
Fair
Poor
Restorable
Plus 15-20%
Plus 10-15%
No Adjustment Necessary
Minus 10-20%
Minus 25-50%
Minus 50-80%
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From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007
12:39 PM
To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
value of a 30 freedom with out ac installed
If you’re using a broker, he or she can tell you the
prices at which F30s have sold on Yachtworld in the past year or two.
There is no way anyone can give you a reasonable price for a boat about which
we only know that it has no 120AC and is “otherwise in good
shape.” Good shape as in nothing broken but everything
original? Everything updated? I bought an F30 on which everything
was in good shape and then I spent about $20K upgrading everything. Your
mileage may vary.
I think you’re asking the wrong question. Find out
how much it would cost to add AC. The parts alone probably cost less than
$500. Get an estimate if you won’t install it yourself. Then
figure out what you’re willing to p ay for the boat. Most boats
sell for about 10 percent less than their asking price.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lola Jackson
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007
2:51 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
value of a 30 freedom with out ac installed
\
can
anyone help me out? I’m looking at a F30,and the seller ordered the boat
with no ac power at all. What does anyone think the boat would be valued
at, otherwise in good shape?
Thank you.
Al Lorman
<ajl@lormanlawdc.com> wrote:
“There has
been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of Freedom
sails” Haarstick Sailmakers, http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com/
\
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Glen
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007
1:39 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Running backs…
\
George,
I really do not know. I assume any good sailmaker could do it for you. There
has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of Freedom
sails, see if you can find the company. I do not have a mizzen staysail, but I
found the mizzen stay stored below when I purchased her.
On 11/3/07, George Huffman
<thatboatguy2@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hey Jay,
Most of that makes sense to me now. We don’t have life lines or toe
rails on our boat as it’s one of the original design cc versions with
a teak taff rail. We also don’t have wishbones or carbon spars
although maybe someday…
I have found attachment points aft that would make sense for running
backs.
So… who should we turn to for a mizzen staysail? We are clearly
rigged up for one as the halyard is there. Sadly it is apparently one
of the things that got stripped from the boat.
George
\
Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area
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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)
I think the BUC figures tend to run low.
Law Office of
Alvin J. Lorman
1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100
Cell: 202.236.2359
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-----Original Message-----
From: “fred” <fredmolden@…>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:17:21
To:<FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac installed
You can get a ballpark figure from the BUC Value guide. However a wet deck or
blisters can drop the price 50%. A good survey is worth the $$$
From BUC: 1987 Freedom 30
Retail Price Range:* $29,700-$33,000
Please see the vessel condition table below, to determine how condition affects
market value.
Excellent (Bristol)
Above BUC Condition
BUC Condition
Fair
Poor
Restorable
Plus 15-20%
Plus 10-15%
No Adjustment Necessary
Minus 10-20%
Minus 25-50%
Minus 50-80%
\
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:39 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac installed
If you’re using a broker, he or she can tell you the prices at which F30s have
sold on Yachtworld in the past year or two. There is no way anyone can give you
a reasonable price for a boat about which we only know that it has no 120AC and
is “otherwise in good shape.” Good shape as in nothing broken but everything
original? Everything updated? I bought an F30 on which everything was in good
shape and then I spent about $20K upgrading everything. Your mileage may vary.
I think you’re asking the wrong question. Find out how much it would cost to
add AC. The parts alone probably cost less than $500. Get an estimate if you
won’t install it yourself. Then figure out what you’re willing to p ay for the
boat. Most boats sell for about 10 percent less than their asking price.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lola Jackson
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:51 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac installed
can anyone help me out? I’m looking at a F30,and the seller ordered the boat
with no ac power at all. What does anyone think the boat would be valued at,
otherwise in good shape?
Thank you.
Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote:
“There has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of
Freedom sails” Haarstick Sailmakers, http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com/
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Glen
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:39 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Running backs…
George,
I really do not know. I assume any good sailmaker could do it for you. There
has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of Freedom
sails, see if you can find the company. I do not have a mizzen staysail, but I
found the mizzen stay stored below when I purchased her.
On 11/3/07, George Huffman <thatboatguy2@ mailto:thatboatguy2@...
yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Jay,
Most of that makes sense to me now. We don’t have life lines or toe
rails on our boat as it’s one of the original design cc versions with
a teak taff rail. We also don’t have wishbones or carbon spars
although maybe someday…
I have found attachment points aft that would make sense for running
backs.
So… who should we turn to for a mizzen staysail? We are clearly
rigged up for one as the halyard is there. Sadly it is apparently one
of the things that got stripped from the boat.
George
\
Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area
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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote: I think the BUC figures tend to run low.Law Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless -----Original Message-----From: “fred” Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:17:21 To:Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac installedYou can get a ballpark figure from the BUC Value guide. However a wet deck or blisters can drop the price 50%. A good survey is worth the $$$ From BUC: 1987 Freedom 30 Retail Price Range:* $29,700-$33,000 Please see the vessel condition table below,
to determine how condition affects market value. Excellent (Bristol) Above BUC Condition BUC Condition Fair Poor Restorable Plus 15-20% Plus 10-15% No Adjustment Necessary Minus 10-20% Minus 25-50% Minus 50-80% ---------------- From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:39 PM To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac installed If you’re using a broker, he or she can tell you the prices at which F30s have sold on Yachtworld in the past year or two. There is no way anyone can give you a reasonable price for a boat about which we only know that it has no 120AC and is “otherwise in good shape.” Good shape as in nothing broken but everything
original? Everything updated? I bought an F30 on which everything was in good shape and then I spent about $20K upgrading everything. Your mileage may vary. I think you’re asking the wrong question. Find out how much it would cost to add AC. The parts alone probably cost less than $500. Get an estimate if you won’t install it yourself. Then figure out what you’re willing to p ay for the boat. Most boats sell for about 10 percent less than their asking price. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lola Jackson Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:51 AM To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac installed can anyone help me out? I’m looking at a F30,and the seller ordered the boat with
no ac power at all. What does anyone think the boat would be valued at, otherwise in good shape? Thank you. Al Lorman wrote: “There has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of Freedom sails” Haarstick Sailmakers, http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com/ From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Glen Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:39 PM To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Running backs… George, I really do not know. I assume any good sailmaker could do it for you. There has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of Freedom sails, see if you can find the company. I do not have a mizzen staysail, but I found the mizzen stay stored below when I purchased her.
On 11/3/07, George Huffman yahoo.com> wrote: Hey Jay, Most of that makes sense to me now. We don’t have life lines or toe rails on our boat as it’s one of the original design cc versions with a teak taff rail. We also don’t have wishbones or carbon spars although maybe someday… I have found attachment points aft that would make sense for running backs. So… who should we turn to for a mizzen staysail? We are clearly rigged up for one as the halyard is there. Sadly it is apparently one of the things that got stripped from the boat. George – Jay Glen ki6jtk s/v Fantasy Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch San Francisco Bay Area __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)
Depends on how hard you push…Fred is a personal friend and I used those
numbers to help me in my purchase. Did it work…yes and no. Yes I did
get the price down quite a bit from $39k but with all the unseen troubles I
had since then my purchase price should have been lower!
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:20 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac
installed
I think the BUC figures tend to run low.
Law Office of
Alvin J. Lorman
1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100
Cell: 202.236.2359
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless
-----Original Message-----
From: “fred” <fredmolden@…>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:17:21
To:<FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac
installed
You can get a ballpark figure from the BUC Value guide. However a wet deck
or blisters can drop the price 50%. A good survey is worth the $$$
From BUC: 1987 Freedom 30
Retail Price Range:* $29,700-$33,000
Please see the vessel condition table below, to determine how condition
affects market value.
Excellent (Bristol)
Above BUC Condition
BUC Condition
Fair
Poor
Restorable
Plus 15-20%
Plus 10-15%
No Adjustment Necessary
Minus 10-20%
Minus 25-50%
Minus 50-80%
\
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:39 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac
installed
If you’re using a broker, he or she can tell you the prices at which F30s
have sold on Yachtworld in the past year or two. There is no way anyone can
give you a reasonable price for a boat about which we only know that it has
no 120AC and is “otherwise in good shape.” Good shape as in nothing broken
but everything original? Everything updated? I bought an F30 on which
everything was in good shape and then I spent about $20K upgrading
everything. Your mileage may vary.
I think you’re asking the wrong question. Find out how much it would cost
to add AC. The parts alone probably cost less than $500. Get an estimate
if you won’t install it yourself. Then figure out what you’re willing to p
ay for the boat. Most boats sell for about 10 percent less than their
asking price.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lola Jackson
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:51 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] value of a 30 freedom with out ac installed
can anyone help me out? I’m looking at a F30,and the seller ordered the
boat with no ac power at all. What does anyone think the boat would be
valued at, otherwise in good shape?
Thank you.
Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote:
“There has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of
Freedom sails” Haarstick Sailmakers, http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com/
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Glen
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:39 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Running backs…
George,
I really do not know. I assume any good sailmaker could do it for you.
There has been references in earlier posts to a sailmaker who does alot of
Freedom sails, see if you can find the company. I do not have a mizzen
staysail, but I found the mizzen stay stored below when I purchased her.
On 11/3/07, George Huffman <thatboatguy2@ mailto:thatboatguy2@...
yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Jay,
Most of that makes sense to me now. We don’t have life lines or toe
rails on our boat as it’s one of the original design cc versions with
a teak taff rail. We also don’t have wishbones or carbon spars
although maybe someday…
I have found attachment points aft that would make sense for running
backs.
So… who should we turn to for a mizzen staysail? We are clearly
rigged up for one as the halyard is there. Sadly it is apparently one
of the things that got stripped from the boat.
George
\
Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area
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