Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
Hello again, Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do have a concern. I want to hang framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal blinds on windows. My concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. I was thinking Velcro with staple in center for pictures.How deep can I go on interior walls?..on outer walls.?..ceiling?The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight.Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking of taking it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table tv tray, may be all I will need…have any of you done that?Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and upgrades, I can now concentrate on cosmetics.Lola
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Posted by hglad39 (svspartan@…>)
Lola, Lola, Lola,
I can’t get the awful images out of my head your questions spawn.
Please tell me you never plan to leave the dock, or if you do it’s a
calm day with no threat of wind.
Cheers,
Howard G, F39 PH
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…>
wrote:
Hello again,
Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do have a concern. I want to
hang framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal blinds on
windows. My concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. I
was thinking Velcro with staple in center for pictures.How deep can I go
on interior walls?..on outer walls.?..ceiling?The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight.
Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking of
taking it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table tv tray, may
be all I will need…have any of you done that?Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and
upgrades, I can now concentrate on cosmetics.Lola
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Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
Howard, Howard, Howard…HA Ha Ha …You are so right . I will use it as an Art Studio Condo, in Myrtle Beach Yacht Club…mostly as a live aboard. I bought the slip. I will take the pot rack down and store the little table when sailing. The metal blinds clip at the bottom. I really laughed at your response…very funny…I pictured it in my mind…funny Oh forgot to mention, I plan to store and replace the stove with a college refrigerator…and use electric fry pan,microwave and out door gas grill. At sea…cook on the grill. You can cook in a pan on the grill, and also eat cold…I need no ice…I also have a gismo, that is a little folding stove you use candles under to cook with…works pretty good…then there is also a Coleman Camp stove…so any ideas on my questions? I plan to share photos when this project is completed…I really liked your response
Howard.Lolahglad39 <svspartan@…> wrote: Lola, Lola, Lola, I can’t get the awful images out of my head your questions spawn. Please tell me you never plan to leave the dock, or if you do it’s a calm day with no threat of wind. Cheers, Howard G, F39 PH — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…> wrote: > > Hello again, > > Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I
do have a concern. I want to hang framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal blinds on windows. My concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. I was thinking Velcro with staple in center for pictures.How deep can I go on interior walls?..on outer walls.?..ceiling? > > The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight. > > Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking of taking it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table tv tray, may be all I will need…have any of you done that? > > Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and upgrades, I can now concentrate on cosmetics. > > Lola > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >
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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Hi Lola:Congratulations on getting your boat back. The F30 is a great little boat. But before you strike up the marching band down below, you might want to consult with your neighboring F30 owner on a few details (I am presuming you are the other F30 in NC)… Rick Higgins, F30 #12. We traveled more than 5,000 miles in that F30, now in Rick and Jayne’s hands, in complete silence…at least in regards to pots, pans, tools, and other stuff. All were securely stowed but ready to hand. Even at anchor this was very important. Nothing clanging, nothing banging, nothing hitting anything, nothing getting broken or falling into other important things. The F30 has room for two to travel, party for six, cook up a storm, handle a storm…and enjoy life. But neatness and organization is the key, as on any boat. Re: Noise and safety: My strong feeling was…if I heard a bang…I wanted it to by something important that
needed immediate attention…not something trivial. Besides the peace and security of a quiet and tightly packed boat, it is very important to keep track of everything going on…whether at anchor or underway. Small signs can give clues to big problems. Noise is an important clue that something is going wrong right now.Re: Pictures… Very lovely but be sure that the frames have no rusting metal in them, the cover is not glass but plastic, and they they cannot move…in fact, will stay put when hit by an off balance person…which you will have more than one of.Re: Curtains. Take a look around and find some light, silent, good looking marine curtain systems. Maybe a good hard, wild fun sail, on a bouncing day would be in order before making any future decorating plans… just so you know what you are designing for. Hope to see you sailing. You bought a brilliant boat. Fargo Ex F30
#12…maybe future F??Glad39 <Spartan@…> wrote: Lola, Lola, Lola, I can’t get the awful images out of my head your questions spawn. Please tell me you never plan to leave the dock, or if you do it’s a calm day with no threat of wind. Cheers, Howard G, F39 PH — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoo groups.com, Lola Jackson <Lollard@…> wrote: > > Hello again, > > Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do
have a concern. I want to hang framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal blinds on windows. My concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. I was thinking Velcro with staple in center for pictures.How deep can I go on interior walls?..on outer walls.?..ceiling? > > The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight. > > Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking of taking it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table TV tray, may be all I will need…have any of you done that? > > Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and upgrades, I can now concentrate on cosmetics. > > Lola > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >
Posted by Bill Williams (escbill@…>)
We’ve had great success with the industrial grade of Velcro holding pictures and tabs for cover cloths for the windows. It’s available at any Home Depot store. The pictures have one side of the Velcro attached to the teak and the other side on the back of the picture frame. Many Catalina crossings and trips to San Diego later we’ve never had one come detached, yet are still removable for any reason.
Bill
Aurora
Posted by vtaiariol (borelmfg@…>)
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Lola Jackson
<lolaltd@…> wrote:
Lola,
Try 3M dualok. Think of it as a hard plastic velco. The adhesive is
very strong and once two mating surfaces lock together it hold very
well. We use it to mount bilge pump floats so there is no need to
drill holes in the bilge. You can get it at www.mcmaster.com
Part number 94935k43. Type in that part number and you will get the
page that shows all the options. There are all sorts of applications
for this stuff on a boat to keep things from moving around, but
still detachable.
Regards,
Van Taiariol
Borel mfg.
Hello again,
Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do have a concern. I want
to hang framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal
blinds on windows. My concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to
cause leaks. I was thinking Velcro with staple in center for
pictures.How deep can I go on interior walls?..on outer
walls.?..ceiling?The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight.
Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking
of taking it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table tv
tray, may be all I will need…have any of you done that?Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and
upgrades, I can now concentrate on cosmetics.Lola
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Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
Thanks Van.,…Impressive. How many lbs do you think it will hold?Also. , would it work for the pot rack? Maybe a spot on the headliner on a block of wood…then screw into the block?..Do you think that would pull down the headliner?When you say can be removed…Can I get the piece on the wall off, upon wanting to sell the boat with no marks?Thanks,Lola F30vtaiariol <borelmfg@…> wrote: — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Lola Jackson
<lolaltd@…> wrote: Lola, Try 3M dualok. Think of it as a hard plastic velco. The adhesive is very strong and once two mating surfaces lock together it hold very well. We use it to mount bilge pump floats so there is no need to drill holes in the bilge. You can get it at www.mcmaster.com Part number 94935k43. Type in that part number and you will get the page that shows all the options. There are all sorts of applications for this stuff on a boat to keep things from moving around, but still detachable. Regards, Van Taiariol Borel mfg. > > Hello again, > > Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do have a concern. I want to hang framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal blinds on windows. My concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. I was thinking Velcro with staple in center for pictures.How
deep can I go on interior walls?..on outer walls.?..ceiling? > > The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight. > > Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking of taking it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table tv tray, may be all I will need…have any of you done that? > > Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and upgrades, I can now concentrate on cosmetics. > > Lola > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >
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Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
Thanks Fargo,I have had a good hard, wild fun sail, on a bouncing day, in this boat.I feel the blinds can be pulled up and locked. I thought the plastic blinds will sag as in the heat in SC. Actually if you have a source for other treatments, I’d welcome it. I have seen W Marine ones…I thought what Al Lorman had in his boat looked good in the pictures…I need to find out where he got them. They will be…up in morning, and down at night…I live in Ocean Isle NC., I will drive 35 min. to the slip in SC. It will be my Condo,to do artwork on…mostly as a live aboard.Any advice is appreciated.LolaFargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote: Hi Lola:Congratulations on getting your boat back. The F30 is a great little boat. But before you strike up the marching band down below, you might want to consult with your neighboring F30 owner on a few details (I am presuming you are the other F30 in NC)… Rick Higgins, F30 #12. We traveled more than 5,000 miles in that F30, now in Rick and Jayne’s hands, in complete silence…at least in regards to pots, pans, tools, and other stuff. All were securely stowed but ready to hand. Even at anchor this was very important. Nothing clanging, nothing banging, nothing hitting anything, nothing getting broken or falling into other important things. The F30 has room for two to travel, party for six, cook up a storm, handle a storm…and enjoy life. But
neatness and organization is the key, as on any boat. Re: Noise and safety: My strong feeling was…if I heard a bang…I wanted it to by something important that needed immediate attention…not something trivial. Besides the peace and security of a quiet and tightly packed boat, it is very important to keep track of everything going on…whether at anchor or underway. Small signs can give clues to big problems. Noise is an important clue that something is going wrong right now.Re: Pictures… Very lovely but be sure that the frames have no rusting metal in them, the cover is not glass but plastic, and they they cannot move…in fact, will stay put when hit by an off balance person…which you will have more than one of.Re: Curtains. Take a look around and find some light, silent, good looking marine curtain systems. Maybe a good hard, wild fun sail, on a bouncing day would be in order before making any future
decorating plans… just so you know what you are designing for. Hope to see you sailing. You bought a brilliant boat. Fargo Ex F30 #12…maybe future F??Glad39 <Spartan@Man.com> wrote: Lola, Lola, Lola, I can’t get the awful images out of my head your questions spawn. Please tell me you never plan to leave the dock, or if you do it’s a calm day with no threat of wind. Cheers, Howard G, F39 PH — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoo groups.com, Lola Jackson <Lollard@…> wrote: > > Hello again, > > Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do have a concern. I want to hang framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot
rack, and metal blinds on windows. My concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. I was thinking Velcro with staple in center for pictures.How deep can I go on interior walls?..on outer walls.?..ceiling? > > The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight. > > Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking of taking it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table TV tray, may be all I will need…have any of you done that? > > Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and upgrades, I can now concentrate on cosmetics. > > Lola > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >
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Posted by Howard Gladman (svspartan@…>)
Lola,
I’m relieved to learn you will only venture out in balmy, sunny conditions.
I still would hesitate to penetrate beyond 1/2" before you are into the core on the sides or top which will provide little holding power for any thing over about a pound. Adhesives and Velcro are your best bet here. The bulkheads are thicker and there is no balsa core. Nail, and screw away here to your hearts content. With regard to Coleman stoves ,other camp stove types, and electric frying pans securing them when in use is critical even in your lovely marina since there is always the risk of some jerk flaunting the no wake prohibition.
Regarding the college refrigerator it is my understanding they are legal for cooling BEER ONLY.
Cheers,
Howard G F39 PH
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From: Lola Jackson
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: walls , nails, screws , hooks
Howard, Howard, Howard…HA Ha Ha …You are so right . I will use it as an Art Studio Condo, in Myrtle Beach Yacht Club…mostly as a live aboard. I bought the slip. I will take the pot rack down and store the little table when sailing. The metal blinds clip at the bottom. I really laughed at your response…very funny…I pictured it in my mind…funny Oh forgot to mention, I plan to store and replace the stove with a college refrigerator…and use electric fry pan,microwave and out door gas grill. At sea…cook on the grill. You can cook in a pan on the grill, and also eat cold…I need no ice…I also have a gismo, that is a little folding stove you use candles under to cook with…works pretty good…then there is also a Coleman Camp stove…so any ideas on my questions? I plan to share photos when this project is completed…I really liked your response Howard.Lolahglad39 <svspartan@msn.com> wrote:
Lola, Lola, Lola,I can’t get the awful images out of my head your questions spawn. Please tell me you never plan to leave the dock, or if you do it’s acalm day with no threat of wind.Cheers,Howard G, F39 PH— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…>wrote:>> Hello again,>> Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do have a concern. I want tohang framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal blinds onwindows. My concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. Iwas thinking Velcro with staple in center for pictures.How deep can I goon interior walls?..on outer walls.?..ceiling?>> The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight.>> Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking oftaking it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table tv tray, maybe all I will need…have any of you done that?>> Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs andupgrades, I can now concentrate on cosmetics.>> Lola>>>> ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo!Search.>
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Posted by Jacqui Macconnell (jacimac@…>)
Lola, Congratulations!
I have a slightly similar accomodation plan on my Freedom.
I’ve loved the bulkhead table, and it takes up so little space.
Also offers a lot of versatility.
Do not know if the F30’s double folds across the saloon, but
that feature is valuable, too. My P.O. , Brian Guptil, installed
and overhead marine grade flourescent light fixture - sort of
right above where the usual first 1/2 of the table folds out. Great
idea.
You can sit and work, read, or play cards with buddies in
perfect light.
Further, the table is stoutly affixed. Anything loose in a sea way,
or just a bouncy moorage, is a liability. I wouldn’t be adding a
loose piec of furniture, if you do take that table off. I tried loose
furniture (small) in the first summer of ownership. Lasted about
a week, then just got in the way inside the lazarette, then off to
a garage sale.
Just my 50 cents worth, but keep the table that was designed!
Can’t speak to the nails, screws, etc. But I see by the holes in my
woodwork that others have gone there before me and done that.
Bolted down an old-school small TV (not on board when I bought),
etc.
Congratulations on a wonderful boat from another happy gal sailor,
Jacqui MacConnell
capatin jac.
SPARROW
1986 F36/38 Hull no. 48
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Lola, cooking at sea, even a calm sea, is dangerous if the stove is
not secured to the boat and hanging in cardanic brackets so it stays
upright when you are heeling. If a burning Coleman cooker falls over,
you could lose your boat and your life because of fire. The Coleman
uses gasoline, which burns extremely hot and is very explosive. You’d
better use a diesel, alcohol or kerosine stove if you don’t want
propane.
These railmounted grills you probably only work when the boat sits
still. One characteristic of a sailing sailboat is, that it heels and
rocks. Your pan or meat will fall overboard when you try to use the
grill while at sea.
Ans a folding stove with candles is also not very suitable for on a
boat: rocking, wind, fire hazard… you understand.
And don’t forget to bolt down your college fridge securely, or it
will one day kill you when it falls on top of you when a wave hits
the boat.
As others mentioned, perhaps it’s best to gain some experience with
living on a boat before you make irreversible decisions.
Good luck,
Michel Capel
Oh forgot to mention, I plan to store and replace the stove with a
college refrigerator…and use electric fry pan,microwave and out
door gas grill. At sea…cook on the grill. You can cook in a pan
on the grill, and also eat cold…I need no ice…I also have a
gismo, that is a little folding stove you use candles under to cook
with…works pretty good…then there is also a Coleman Camp stove.
Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
Ok thanks Michael…good comments…I will eat cold and canned foods when at sea.No problem…Lola"michel.capel" <michel.capel@…> wrote: Lola, cooking at sea, even a calm sea, is dangerous if the stove is not secured to the boat and hanging in cardanic brackets so it stays upright when you are heeling. If a burning Coleman cooker falls over, you could lose your boat and your life because of fire. The Coleman uses gasoline, which burns extremely hot and is very explosive. You’d better use a diesel, alcohol or kerosine stove
if you don’t want propane. These railmounted grills you probably only work when the boat sits still. One characteristic of a sailing sailboat is, that it heels and rocks. Your pan or meat will fall overboard when you try to use the grill while at sea. Ans a folding stove with candles is also not very suitable for on a boat: rocking, wind, fire hazard… you understand. And don’t forget to bolt down your college fridge securely, or it will one day kill you when it falls on top of you when a wave hits the boat. As others mentioned, perhaps it’s best to gain some experience with living on a boat before you make irreversible decisions. Good luck, Michel Capel Oh forgot to mention, I plan to store and replace the stove with a college refrigerator…and use electric fry pan,microwave and out door gas grill. At sea…cook on the grill. You can cook in a
pan on the grill, and also eat cold…I need no ice…I also have a gismo, that is a little folding stove you use candles under to cook with…works pretty good…then there is also a Coleman Camp stove.
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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)
Speaking of the double bunk in the saloon,
does anyone have any pictures of how it works and the brackets and legs??
Mine has been taken apart and I can not visually see how the leg worked.
Bob
Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
I did a write-up on this, in detail, some time back… at least for the F30.FargoBob Weeks <rweeks6508@…> wrote: Speaking of the double bunk in the saloon, does anyone have any pictures of how it works and the brackets and legs?? Mine has been taken apart and I can not visually see how the leg worked. Bob
Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)
Lola:
In thinking about the cosmetics, perhaps you should do some research to find out
what is appropriate. Sounds like some of the changes you are contemplating are
better suited for powerboats that rarely leave the dock.
Where you gonna put shelves and how you gonna keep the items on those shelves?
A pot rack? How you gonna keep the pots from clanging around and flying all over
when the boat is under sail?
Metal blinds will drive you crazy with the noise. Look at the many ways people
have rigged curtains for sailboats. The sheer number of methods will give you an
idea of the problem. I have seen wooden and plastic Roman shades, but I still
think curtains are a better idea. PIcture frames are o.k. but the nails used in
most frames will rust and stain your bulkheads. As with the curtains, there’s no
need to drill holes.Velcro holds them to the bulkheads quite well.
I don’t know about the fold-down table on the Freedom 30, never having seen one.
But I can tell you that “a wooden folding TV tray…” is not a good idea. A
powerboat wake will come by and knock everything down.
As for the frequency of use for that table, it would seem that you’d use it
anytime you wanted to seat two or more people to eat.
If you can squeeze a “college refrigerator” in there somewhere, make sure it is
securely fastened that that there’s a way to keep the door firmly closed or all
of its contents will spill out on the cabin sole when the boat heels.
Speaking of which, I don’t wanna be picky and sound like a snob here, but you
did ask for advice. It would also be good to read some books and learn the
names of the parts of the boat and how they all work together as a system. Do a
little historical research. Look at lots of boat designs and their interiors.
Unlike a house, a saiulboat is a conglomeration of systems that have to work
together fro the boat to be seaworthy and sail in the manner she was dessinged
for. Adding too much weight or making unwise changes can compromise performance
and seaworthiness.
You also should go sailing on a cruising boat (maybe even yours…) in a variety
of conditions.
There are some good books that show how other people modified and customized
their boats. One is Daniel Spurr’s “Upgrading the Cruising Sailboat.”
Bruce Bingham wrote a book about boat projects and there’s a compendium of
articles on boat projects from past issues of Cruising world (or Sail, I
forget) magazine.
There are ways to safely put fasteners into cored boat hulls. The best way is to
drill a larger hole than the one you intend to use for the fastener. But DON’T
drill through the other side!!! only drill through the first layer of fiberglass
and ito the core. Remove the foam or balsa or whatever the core is nmade of
innside that larger hole. Then fill up the hole with epoxy, taking care that the
edges of the exposed core are sealed with the epoxy. The epoxy should be flush
with the original surface,
The replies you get from your inquiry should not discourage you from making your
boat your own. But you do need to realize that:1) a sailboat ain’t a house; 2)
there are special considerations for modifications that may not be readilky
apparent to new sailors; 3) there are also conventions for sailboat interiors
that have evolved for reasons of practicality and aesthetics. Aside from safety
and seaworthiness considrations, you may defy those convenntions if you like,
but you will probably experience resistance from other long-time sailors.
On the other hand, Gary Hoyt was a non-conformist who defied convenntions when
he designed the Freedom line of boats. His innovations probably account for the
appeal that Freedom sailboats have for us on this list.
The above applies if you intend to take the boat out and sail it. If you just
wanna live aboard at the dock, well, what can I say?
Good luck with your new boat. Keep asking questions and let us know the results
of your research and what you do with it.
Sincerely,
Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL
---- Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…> wrote:
Hello again,
Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do have a concern. I want to hang
framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal blinds on windows. My
concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. I was thinking Velcro
with staple in center for pictures.How deep can I go on interior walls?..on
outer walls.?..ceiling?The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight.
Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking of taking
it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table tv tray, may be all I will
need…have any of you done that?Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and upgrades, I
can now concentrate on cosmetics.Lola
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Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)
In describing how to mount a fastener into a cored hull, I forgot two things.
-
Before you apply any epoxy, you need to clean the surfaces with acetone or
denatured alchol to remove dirt, oil, grease, mold-release wax, polish, etc.
Then you should sand the surface to rough it up a bit and give the epoxy
something to grip onto. After sanding, clean the area again with the acetone or
alcohol. -
When you scrape out the core material - foam or balsa, use some kind of tool
to remove the material between the two fiberglass layers for at least 1/2"
around the inside of the hole. This not only seals off the core from moisture,
but also provides some strength to the repair and to prevent your repair plug
from popping out.
It is also the procedure used for installing through-hulls and other hardware in
cored hulls, decks, cabintops, etc.
I’ve done a lot of this on my boat and on other boats when I work as a
boat-fixer years ago.
Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL
---- sgaber@… wrote:
Lola:
In thinking about the cosmetics, perhaps you should do some research to find
out what is appropriate. Sounds like some of the changes you are contemplating
are better suited for powerboats that rarely leave the dock.Where you gonna put shelves and how you gonna keep the items on those shelves?
A pot rack? How you gonna keep the pots from clanging around and flying all
over when the boat is under sail?Metal blinds will drive you crazy with the noise. Look at the many ways
people have rigged curtains for sailboats. The sheer number of methods will give
you an idea of the problem. I have seen wooden and plastic Roman shades, but I
still think curtains are a better idea. PIcture frames are o.k. but the nails
used in most frames will rust and stain your bulkheads. As with the curtains,
there’s no need to drill holes.Velcro holds them to the bulkheads quite well.I don’t know about the fold-down table on the Freedom 30, never having seen
one. But I can tell you that “a wooden folding TV tray…” is not a good idea.
A powerboat wake will come by and knock everything down.As for the frequency of use for that table, it would seem that you’d use it
anytime you wanted to seat two or more people to eat.If you can squeeze a “college refrigerator” in there somewhere, make sure it
is securely fastened that that there’s a way to keep the door firmly closed or
all of its contents will spill out on the cabin sole when the boat heels.Speaking of which, I don’t wanna be picky and sound like a snob here, but you
did ask for advice. It would also be good to read some books and learn the
names of the parts of the boat and how they all work together as a system. Do a
little historical research. Look at lots of boat designs and their interiors.
Unlike a house, a saiulboat is a conglomeration of systems that have to work
together fro the boat to be seaworthy and sail in the manner she was dessinged
for. Adding too much weight or making unwise changes can compromise performance
and seaworthiness.You also should go sailing on a cruising boat (maybe even yours…) in a
variety of conditions.There are some good books that show how other people modified and customized
their boats. One is Daniel Spurr’s “Upgrading the Cruising Sailboat.”Bruce Bingham wrote a book about boat projects and there’s a compendium of
articles on boat projects from past issues of Cruising world (or Sail, I
forget) magazine.There are ways to safely put fasteners into cored boat hulls. The best way is
to drill a larger hole than the one you intend to use for the fastener. But
DON’T drill through the other side!!! only drill through the first layer of
fiberglass and ito the core. Remove the foam or balsa or whatever the core is
nmade of innside that larger hole. Then fill up the hole with epoxy, taking care
that the edges of the exposed core are sealed with the epoxy. The epoxy should
be flush with the original surface,The replies you get from your inquiry should not discourage you from making
your boat your own. But you do need to realize that:1) a sailboat ain’t a
house; 2) there are special considerations for modifications that may not be
readilky apparent to new sailors; 3) there are also conventions for sailboat
interiors that have evolved for reasons of practicality and aesthetics. Aside
from safety and seaworthiness considrations, you may defy those convenntions if
you like, but you will probably experience resistance from other long-time
sailors.On the other hand, Gary Hoyt was a non-conformist who defied convenntions when
he designed the Freedom line of boats. His innovations probably account for the
appeal that Freedom sailboats have for us on this list.The above applies if you intend to take the boat out and sail it. If you just
wanna live aboard at the dock, well, what can I say?Good luck with your new boat. Keep asking questions and let us know the
results of your research and what you do with it.Sincerely,
Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL---- Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…> wrote:
Hello again,
Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do have a concern. I want to hang
framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal blinds on windows. My
concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. I was thinking Velcro
with staple in center for pictures.How deep can I go on interior walls?..on
outer walls.?..ceiling?The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight.
Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking of taking
it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table tv tray, may be all I will
need…have any of you done that?Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and upgrades,
I can now concentrate on cosmetics.Lola
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Posted by Borelmfg (borelmfg@…>)
In shear a heck of a lot. When I first started using it to mount eletronic cases I used too much. Almost broke the case trying to get it decouple. Yes it might leave marks on the wood. Also never tried it on oil wood, may need some prep work before applying.
If you want, E-mail me an address and I will send you some to try. borelmfg@…
BTW: We tested this stuff submerged in salt water for
3 months. Never failed.
regards,
van
----- Original Message -----
From: Lola Jackson
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: walls , nails, screws , hooks
Thanks Van.,…Impressive. How many lbs do you think it will hold?Also. , would it work for the pot rack? Maybe a spot on the headliner on a block of wood…then screw into the block?..Do you think that would pull down the headliner?When you say can be removed…Can I get the piece on the wall off, upon wanting to sell the boat with no marks?Thanks,Lola F30vtaiariol <borelmfg@earthlink.net> wrote:
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Lola Jackson <lolaltd@…> wrote:Lola,Try 3M dualok. Think of it as a hard plastic velco. The adhesive is very strong and once two mating surfaces lock together it hold very well. We use it to mount bilge pump floats so there is no need to drill holes in the bilge. You can get it at www.mcmaster.comPart number 94935k43. Type in that part number and you will get the page that shows all the options. There are all sorts of applications for this stuff on a boat to keep things from moving around, but still detachable. Regards,Van TaiariolBorel mfg. >> Hello again, > > Well I’m finally getting my boat.F30 I do have a concern. I want to hang framed pictures,shelves, and a galley pot rack, and metal blinds on windows. My concern in the balsa core. I don’t want to cause leaks. I was thinking Velcro with staple in center for pictures.How deep can I go on interior walls?..on outer walls.?..ceiling?> > The pot rack 2 hooks( still looking for one) needs to hold weight.> > Also how many times do you use the fold down table? I was thinking of taking it down and store…a smaller wooden folding table tv tray, may be all I will need…have any of you done that?> > Thanks for any advice you may have…I think with the repairs and upgrades, I can now concentrate on cosmetics.> > Lola> > > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.>
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