Posted by sailing285 (sailing285@…>)
Has anyone encountered the problem of water collecting on the deck
along side the cockpit on each side of the boat? I am considering
fabricating a drain system but first was checking to see if this was a
common issues.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted by wilfred2736 (wilf.bishop@…>)
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@…> wrote:
Has anyone encountered the problem of water collecting on the deck
along side the cockpit on each side of the boat? I am considering
fabricating a drain system but first was checking to see if this was a
common issues.Thanks,
Jim
Hi Jim,
Yes - this is indeed a slightly annoying design “glitch” in an
otherwise wonderful design. This season I drilled 10mm diameter drain
holes in my hull going upwards from beneath the “lip” of the gunwhale
and emerging at just the right level in the side deck recess wall so
water drains out. The only problem was that the drilling exposed some
gaps between the lipped hull mould and the deck mould and to prevent
water getting into the hull I had to seal these gaps with a thick
epoxy paste. This winter I will also sleeve the holes with thin-walled
stainless steel tube epoxy bonded into position. I intend to make a
short one-page write up of this operation with photos, dimensions and
drilling angles and post it on our site under the “modifications” section.
This simple modification was very sucessful and completely eliminates
the build up of water & dead flies that normally occured in this
region. The only downside is that there is a slight staining of the
hull beneath the drain hole - but this can be removed easily if one
needs a spotless hull?
Best regards,
WIlf Bishop
DAYDREAM UK Sail No 208
Posted by Bob Broder (RABroder@…>)
This is a problem we all have, and the solution is quite simple: a
large sponge and some water cleans it all out in about a minute per
side… Why try to concoct a complicated, possibly expensive fix to a
simple, hardly agonizing “problem”?
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@…> wrote:
Has anyone encountered the problem of water collecting on the deck
along side the cockpit on each side of the boat? I am considering
fabricating a drain system but first was checking to see if this was
a
common issues.Thanks,
Jim
Posted by Sean Mulligan (quadmulligan@…>)
Agreed. Hull 307From: Bob Broder <RABroder@…>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:21 AMTo: freedom21@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedom21] Re: Water collecting in gunwhalesThis is a problem we all have, and the solution is quite simple: a large sponge and some water cleans it all out in about a minute per side… Why try to concoct a complicated, possibly expensive fix to a simple, hardly agonizing “problem”? — In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@…> wrote: > > Has anyone encountered the problem of water collecting on the deck > along side the cockpit on each side of the boat? I am considering > fabricating a drain system but first was checking to see if this was a > common issues. > > Thanks, > Jim > Messages in this topic (3) [The entire original message is not included]
Posted by Richard Meltz (centaur_cycles@…>)
We had this problem on our 1983 Freedom 21 shoal keel model
and just kept sponging it out. We also had water draining INTO the
cockpit on that boat whenever 3 or more adults were in the cockpit and I kept
big cork stoppers in the boat to plug the drain holes whenever it became a problem!
But interestingly enough, our current 1985 deep keel model has neither of these
problems. The gunwhale has limber slot for deck water to drain overboard
and the cockpit drains must be different also because they have never let in
water. The factory evidently corrected these problems at some point.
Best,
Richard Meltz
Posted by sailing285 (sailing285@…>)
Well Bob, since you ask “Why try to concoct a complicated, possibly
expensive fix to a simple, hardly agonizing problem?”
Well, maybe I just don’t like seeing those dirty brown two foot long
grungy marks on the deck. Since I have refurbished this fine little
boat to include extensive keel work, rejuvenating a badly crazed and
chalky hull, and new sails all around, one may conclude that I like
my boats to not only look their best, but also perform to their
fullest potential.
Concoct – I’m not the “concoct” type. (See the before and after pics
of Little Bandit).
Complicated – Not really (I’m thinking a hose from below the deck to
drain onto the aft portion of the sole near the scuppers)
Expensive – Eye of the beholder but I highly doubt it: 2 Stainless
Deck Strainers + 10 Stainless Screws + Epoxy A Base Resin + Epoxy B
Activator + 6-8 ft Marine Drain Hose + 2 Stainless Clams = Quick
Estimate of $82 … Oh yes, and maybe $10 for a good drill bit if you
don’t have one.
One quick question: Do the gutters on your home have downspouts?
Sail hard, fish hard, and put `em away clean,
Jim
*Freedom 21
*A Class Cat
*Sunfish
*Pursuit 2470 CC
*Zodiac (regatta chase boat)
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@…> wrote:
This is a problem we all have, and the solution is quite simple: a
large sponge and some water cleans it all out in about a minute per
side… Why try to concoct a complicated, possibly expensive fix to
a
simple, hardly agonizing “problem”?— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@> wrote:
Has anyone encountered the problem of water collecting on the
deck
along side the cockpit on each side of the boat? I am considering
fabricating a drain system but first was checking to see if this
was
a
common issues.Thanks,
Jim
Posted by Bob Broder (RABroder@…>)
Jim: I was not trying to be flip… and apologize if it came across
that way! We have had lots of rain here in New England this summer,
and it has both remedied and exacerbated the problem!
When I first got Daiquiri, the worst issue was the cormorants loving
to sit on the masthead (I swing to a mooring… no marina!) Head to
wind, the poop would land in the cockpit, and solidify into a grey,
concrete like mass, took hours to remove, and only with fresh water!
Solution: a 3" strip of “Nixalite” glued to the mast cap (I dont have
an antenna up there! No more “buzzards”!
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@…> wrote:
Well Bob, since you ask “Why try to concoct a complicated, possibly
expensive fix to a simple, hardly agonizing problem?”Well, maybe I just don’t like seeing those dirty brown two foot
long
grungy marks on the deck. Since I have refurbished this fine little
boat to include extensive keel work, rejuvenating a badly crazed
and
chalky hull, and new sails all around, one may conclude that I like
my boats to not only look their best, but also perform to their
fullest potential.Concoct – I’m not the “concoct” type. (See the before and after
pics
of Little Bandit).
Complicated – Not really (I’m thinking a hose from below the deck
to
drain onto the aft portion of the sole near the scuppers)
Expensive – Eye of the beholder but I highly doubt it: 2 Stainless
Deck Strainers + 10 Stainless Screws + Epoxy A Base Resin + Epoxy B
Activator + 6-8 ft Marine Drain Hose + 2 Stainless Clams = Quick
Estimate of $82 … Oh yes, and maybe $10 for a good drill bit if you
don’t have one.One quick question: Do the gutters on your home have downspouts?
Sail hard, fish hard, and put `em away clean,
Jim
*Freedom 21
*A Class Cat
*Sunfish
*Pursuit 2470 CC
*Zodiac (regatta chase boat)
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@> wrote:This is a problem we all have, and the solution is quite simple:
a
large sponge and some water cleans it all out in about a minute
per
side… Why try to concoct a complicated, possibly expensive fix
to
a
simple, hardly agonizing “problem”?— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@>
wrote:Has anyone encountered the problem of water collecting on the
deck
along side the cockpit on each side of the boat? I am
considering
fabricating a drain system but first was checking to see if
this
was
a
common issues.Thanks,
Jim
Posted by Bob Broder (RABroder@…>)
To answer your quick question: Yes, my house does indeed have
downspouts, and I hate the damn things! There is no economical way
to clean them out (2 story + attic , 100 year old victorian, in New
England)— In the fall, before the gutters are cleaned, a sludgy
junk goes down the spouts, (even with the basket strainers!) and from
then on…OVERFLOW and gigantic icicles in the winter (As per all
good NE houses, the downspouts go underground, to dry wells)! Are you
sure your scuppers wont act the same (except for the icicles in
florida!)?
Regards… freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@…>
wrote:
Jim: I was not trying to be flip… and apologize if it came
across
that way! We have had lots of rain here in New England this
summer,
and it has both remedied and exacerbated the problem!
When I first got Daiquiri, the worst issue was the cormorants
loving
to sit on the masthead (I swing to a mooring… no marina!) Head to
wind, the poop would land in the cockpit, and solidify into a grey,
concrete like mass, took hours to remove, and only with fresh
water!
Solution: a 3" strip of “Nixalite” glued to the mast cap (I dont
have
an antenna up there! No more “buzzards”!— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@> wrote:
Well Bob, since you ask “Why try to concoct a complicated,
possibly
expensive fix to a simple, hardly agonizing problem?”Well, maybe I just don’t like seeing those dirty brown two foot
long
grungy marks on the deck. Since I have refurbished this fine
little
boat to include extensive keel work, rejuvenating a badly crazed
and
chalky hull, and new sails all around, one may conclude that I
like
my boats to not only look their best, but also perform to their
fullest potential.Concoct – I’m not the “concoct” type. (See the before and after
pics
of Little Bandit).
Complicated – Not really (I’m thinking a hose from below the deck
to
drain onto the aft portion of the sole near the scuppers)
Expensive – Eye of the beholder but I highly doubt it: 2
Stainless
Deck Strainers + 10 Stainless Screws + Epoxy A Base Resin + Epoxy
B
Activator + 6-8 ft Marine Drain Hose + 2 Stainless Clams = Quick
Estimate of $82 … Oh yes, and maybe $10 for a good drill bit if
you
don’t have one.One quick question: Do the gutters on your home have downspouts?
Sail hard, fish hard, and put `em away clean,
Jim
*Freedom 21
*A Class Cat
*Sunfish
*Pursuit 2470 CC
*Zodiac (regatta chase boat)
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@> wrote:This is a problem we all have, and the solution is quite
simple:
a
large sponge and some water cleans it all out in about a minute
per
side… Why try to concoct a complicated, possibly expensive fix
to
a
simple, hardly agonizing “problem”?— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@>
wrote:Has anyone encountered the problem of water collecting on the
deck
along side the cockpit on each side of the boat? I am
considering
fabricating a drain system but first was checking to see if
this
was
a
common issues.Thanks,
Jim
Posted by sailing285 (sailing285@…>)
Bob,
Move to Florida. Other than the occassional hurricane it’s great. We
make it a point to sail every year the week between Christmas and the
New Year. No ice to deal with. Just a thick sweater and hot chocolate.
I am originally from Connecticut myself and so miss skiing, NYC, and
Boston. It took a while to get used to the south but now it’s home.
No Florida jokes allowed.
Regarding my Freedom, I have one of the most desired slips in St
Petersburg. It is located on the main quay wall diagonally across
from the St Petersburg Yacht Club, across from an incredible park
with massive banyon trees, and just twelve boats away from a really
neat bistro. The trade off is the tourist traffic which runs along
the front and the general small town/city grime in the air. It is not
noticable in the air but on my gunwhales - and only mine. Since it
rains here often but only for a short period of time, I think the
drains would serve both form and function well by cleaning the
gunwhales and almost daily flushing of the drain itself. I have
looked at the other boats around mine and some have a similar system,
others just have cut-away’s at the tow rail which will lead to a mark
down either side of the hull.
That home up north of yours sounds amazing, if you ever plan a trip
to the west coast of Florida let me know and we’ll arrange for a sail.
Have a great weekend,
Jim
*I think I’ll sail the Sunfish today. Currently ENE @ 15-20 knots.
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@…> wrote:
To answer your quick question: Yes, my house does indeed have
downspouts, and I hate the damn things! There is no economical way
to clean them out (2 story + attic , 100 year old victorian, in New
England)— In the fall, before the gutters are cleaned, a sludgy
junk goes down the spouts, (even with the basket strainers!) and
from
then on…OVERFLOW and gigantic icicles in the winter (As per all
good NE houses, the downspouts go underground, to dry wells)! Are
you
sure your scuppers wont act the same (except for the icicles in
florida!)?Regards… freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@>
wrote:Jim: I was not trying to be flip… and apologize if it came
across
that way! We have had lots of rain here in New England this
summer,
and it has both remedied and exacerbated the problem!
When I first got Daiquiri, the worst issue was the cormorants
loving
to sit on the masthead (I swing to a mooring… no marina!) Head
to
wind, the poop would land in the cockpit, and solidify into a
grey,
concrete like mass, took hours to remove, and only with fresh
water!
Solution: a 3" strip of “Nixalite” glued to the mast cap (I dont
have
an antenna up there! No more “buzzards”!— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@>
wrote:Well Bob, since you ask “Why try to concoct a complicated,
possibly
expensive fix to a simple, hardly agonizing problem?”Well, maybe I just don’t like seeing those dirty brown two foot
long
grungy marks on the deck. Since I have refurbished this fine
little
boat to include extensive keel work, rejuvenating a badly
crazed
and
chalky hull, and new sails all around, one may conclude that I
like
my boats to not only look their best, but also perform to their
fullest potential.Concoct – I’m not the “concoct” type. (See the before and after
pics
of Little Bandit).
Complicated – Not really (I’m thinking a hose from below the
deck
to
drain onto the aft portion of the sole near the scuppers)
Expensive – Eye of the beholder but I highly doubt it: 2
Stainless
Deck Strainers + 10 Stainless Screws + Epoxy A Base Resin +
Epoxy
B
Activator + 6-8 ft Marine Drain Hose + 2 Stainless Clams =
Quick
Estimate of $82 … Oh yes, and maybe $10 for a good drill bit if
you
don’t have one.One quick question: Do the gutters on your home have downspouts?
Sail hard, fish hard, and put `em away clean,
Jim
*Freedom 21
*A Class Cat
*Sunfish
*Pursuit 2470 CC
*Zodiac (regatta chase boat)
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@>
wrote:This is a problem we all have, and the solution is quite
simple:
a
large sponge and some water cleans it all out in about a
minute
per
side… Why try to concoct a complicated, possibly expensive
fix
to
a
simple, hardly agonizing “problem”?— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@>
wrote:Has anyone encountered the problem of water collecting on
the
deck
along side the cockpit on each side of the boat? I am
considering
fabricating a drain system but first was checking to see if
this
was
a
common issues.Thanks,
Jim
Posted by Bob Broder (RABroder@…>)
Jim… I really hate you!! Sailing at Xmas? pshaw… us manly folk
are out shovelling snow, most years!
Whenever I think of you guys in SW Fla, and Fay, Gustav, and now
Hanna and etc. etc. etc. I smile…LOL
I too have a Sunfish, a rather elderly one --'69, original Alcort,
that I enjoy sailing when it gets hot (yes, it does occasionally get
hot here in NE!) and have learned to watch for the quirkiness (old
mahogany rudder kicking up during a spirited reach, dumping me in the
drink to windward)
Who knows… I may take you up on the St. Pete’s visit… God knows I
am old enough for that geriatric community!!
bob
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@…> wrote:
Bob,
Move to Florida. Other than the occassional hurricane it’s great.
We
make it a point to sail every year the week between Christmas and
the
New Year. No ice to deal with. Just a thick sweater and hot
chocolate.
I am originally from Connecticut myself and so miss skiing, NYC,
and
Boston. It took a while to get used to the south but now it’s home.
No Florida jokes allowed.
Regarding my Freedom, I have one of the most desired slips in St
Petersburg. It is located on the main quay wall diagonally across
from the St Petersburg Yacht Club, across from an incredible park
with massive banyon trees, and just twelve boats away from a really
neat bistro. The trade off is the tourist traffic which runs along
the front and the general small town/city grime in the air. It is
not
noticable in the air but on my gunwhales - and only mine. Since it
rains here often but only for a short period of time, I think the
drains would serve both form and function well by cleaning the
gunwhales and almost daily flushing of the drain itself. I have
looked at the other boats around mine and some have a similar
system,
others just have cut-away’s at the tow rail which will lead to a
mark
down either side of the hull.
That home up north of yours sounds amazing, if you ever plan a trip
to the west coast of Florida let me know and we’ll arrange for a
sail.
Have a great weekend,
Jim
*I think I’ll sail the Sunfish today. Currently ENE @ 15-20 knots.— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@> wrote:
To answer your quick question: Yes, my house does indeed have
downspouts, and I hate the damn things! There is no economical
way
to clean them out (2 story + attic , 100 year old victorian, in
New
England)— In the fall, before the gutters are cleaned, a sludgy
junk goes down the spouts, (even with the basket strainers!) and
from
then on…OVERFLOW and gigantic icicles in the winter (As per
all
good NE houses, the downspouts go underground, to dry wells)! Are
you
sure your scuppers wont act the same (except for the icicles in
florida!)?Regards… freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@>
wrote:Jim: I was not trying to be flip… and apologize if it came
across
that way! We have had lots of rain here in New England this
summer,
and it has both remedied and exacerbated the problem!
When I first got Daiquiri, the worst issue was the cormorants
loving
to sit on the masthead (I swing to a mooring… no marina!)
Head
to
wind, the poop would land in the cockpit, and solidify into a
grey,
concrete like mass, took hours to remove, and only with fresh
water!
Solution: a 3" strip of “Nixalite” glued to the mast cap (I
dont
have
an antenna up there! No more “buzzards”!— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285” <sailing285@>
wrote:Well Bob, since you ask “Why try to concoct a complicated,
possibly
expensive fix to a simple, hardly agonizing problem?”Well, maybe I just don’t like seeing those dirty brown two
foot
long
grungy marks on the deck. Since I have refurbished this fine
little
boat to include extensive keel work, rejuvenating a badly
crazed
and
chalky hull, and new sails all around, one may conclude that
I
like
my boats to not only look their best, but also perform to
their
fullest potential.Concoct – I’m not the “concoct” type. (See the before and
after
pics
of Little Bandit).
Complicated – Not really (I’m thinking a hose from below the
deck
to
drain onto the aft portion of the sole near the scuppers)
Expensive – Eye of the beholder but I highly doubt it: 2
Stainless
Deck Strainers + 10 Stainless Screws + Epoxy A Base Resin +
Epoxy
B
Activator + 6-8 ft Marine Drain Hose + 2 Stainless Clams =
Quick
Estimate of $82 … Oh yes, and maybe $10 for a good drill bit
if
you
don’t have one.One quick question: Do the gutters on your home have
downspouts?Sail hard, fish hard, and put `em away clean,
Jim
*Freedom 21
*A Class Cat
*Sunfish
*Pursuit 2470 CC
*Zodiac (regatta chase boat)
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Broder” <RABroder@>
wrote:This is a problem we all have, and the solution is quite
simple:
a
large sponge and some water cleans it all out in about a
minute
per
side… Why try to concoct a complicated, possibly expensive
fix
to
a
simple, hardly agonizing “problem”?— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “sailing285”
<sailing285@>
wrote:Has anyone encountered the problem of water collecting on
the
deck
along side the cockpit on each side of the boat? I am
considering
fabricating a drain system but first was checking to see
if
this
was
a
common issues.Thanks,
Jim