Wayzgoose #258 has splashed

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Posted by bobprol (robert.prol@…>)

Greetings,

We splashed #258 yesterday, and stepped the mast. This it the first
time we rigged the F21, and are greatful for the instructions posted on
the Web site. The whole thing went without a hitch.

Saturday we’ll sail the 10nm from Stony Point, NY to Nyack, NY and our
mooring. A report and pictures will follow.

Bob

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Posted by Robert Prol (robert.prol@…>)
We splashed F21 #258 on Thursday, and on Saturday put 20nm under the keep for our first sail on her. My wife and I had a blast, beating down the Hudson River from Stony Point to Nyack NY. The winds started out light, and we had main and staysail up. As the wind increased, we were overpowered and dropped the staysail. If you aren’t familiar with the Hudson River, it is a couple of miles wide in this area, with “The Hook” in upper Nyack. As we approached this riverside cliff, the wind increased to around 18kts, and we had to throw a reef in. After 3 hours and 50 minutes, we picked up our mooring at the Nyack Boat Club, cracked some beers open, and enjoyed the satisfaction of day well-spent.
We topped 7kts a few times, but consistently exceeded 6kts. She is a fun boat to sail. Rachel and I both race sailboats on the east coast, and were looking for a fun boat for weekend and weeknight pleasure sails. The Freedom 21 looks like it will exceed our expectations.
Now for the questions:1. The staysail sheets go through blocks with cleats that are mounted on the cabin top. This configuration keeps the sheets routed above the traveller, but are very difficult to use. Has anyone changed this set-up?
2. Has anyone increased the purchase on the traveller? It is a bear to work in a stiff breeze.
Thanks,Bob Prol#258-- _/)/)~~~~~/)~~

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Posted by julius christensen (biff_sail@…>)

— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “Robert Prol” <robert.prol@…>
wrote:

We splashed F21 #258 on Thursday, and on Saturday put 20nm under
the keep
for our first sail on her. My wife and I had a blast, beating down
the
Hudson River from Stony Point to Nyack NY. The winds started out
light, and
we had main and staysail up. As the wind increased, we were
overpowered and
dropped the staysail. If you aren’t familiar with the Hudson River,
it is a
couple of miles wide in this area, with “The Hook” in upper Nyack.
As we
approached this riverside cliff, the wind increased to around
18kts, and we
had to throw a reef in. After 3 hours and 50 minutes, we picked up
our
mooring at the Nyack Boat Club, cracked some beers open, and
enjoyed the
satisfaction of day well-spent.

We topped 7kts a few times, but consistently exceeded 6kts. She is
a fun
boat to sail. Rachel and I both race sailboats on the east coast,
and were
looking for a fun boat for weekend and weeknight pleasure sails.
The Freedom
21 looks like it will exceed our expectations.

Now for the questions:

  1. The staysail sheets go through blocks with cleats that are
    mounted on the
    cabin top. This configuration keeps the sheets routed above the
    traveller,
    but are very difficult to use. Has anyone changed this set-up?
  2. Has anyone increased the purchase on the traveller? It is a bear
    to work
    in a stiff breeze.

Thanks,
Bob Prol
#258

–
_/)/)~~~~~/)~~

Robert,
My boat came rigged with a 3in.swivel block attached to the foot of
the stanchion opposite the traveller.the staysail sheet goes through
a harken camcleat outboard of the other camcleats on top of the deck.
Biff

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Posted by Robert Prol (robert.prol@…>)
Thanks Bill, that configuration makes more sense than what we presently have.

Bob-- _/)/)~~~~~/)~~

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Posted by daxvoegli (daxvoegli@…>)

— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, “bobprol” <robert.prol@…> wrote:

Greetings,

We splashed #258 yesterday, and stepped the mast. This it the first
time we rigged the F21, and are greatful for the instructions posted
on
the Web site. The whole thing went without a hitch.

Saturday we’ll sail the 10nm from Stony Point, NY to Nyack, NY and
our
mooring. A report and pictures will follow.

Bob

Are you a printer?

Dax

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Posted by bobprol (robert.prol@…>)

Are you a printer?

Dax

We purchased her with the name, and had to Google the meaning. We
aren’t printers, in fact after rereading my post about the sail from
Stony Point to Nyack, I can’t even claim to be a writer!

We just ordered a spinnaker and gun mount, it should be in within two
weeks.

I’ve been having some interesting discussions with friends who race
Lightnings and others on Melges 24s. In spite of our having the knot
meter, and a handheld GPS both showing a speed in excess of 6 knots,
often breaking 7 knots, they tell me the Freedom 21 can’t go that
fast. If I were a betting man, I’d use this as an opportunity to
subsidize the spinnaker purchase.

What kind of speeds do the rest of you see on your Freedom 21s?

Thanks,
Bob

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Posted by Peter Devlin (devlin_peter@…>)

With a hand held GPS I was reading 7 knots on several occasions last
September and October in the Atlantic Ocean east of Portsmouth,NH.
Supposedly not possible, but…


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Are you a printer?

Dax

We purchased her with the name, and had to Google the meaning. We
aren’t printers, in fact after rereading my post about the sail
from
Stony Point to Nyack, I can’t even claim to be a writer!

We just ordered a spinnaker and gun mount, it should be in within
two
weeks.

I’ve been having some interesting discussions with friends who race
Lightnings and others on Melges 24s. In spite of our having the
knot
meter, and a handheld GPS both showing a speed in excess of 6
knots,
often breaking 7 knots, they tell me the Freedom 21 can’t go that
fast. If I were a betting man, I’d use this as an opportunity to
subsidize the spinnaker purchase.

What kind of speeds do the rest of you see on your Freedom 21s?

Thanks,
Bob

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Posted by mitya fonin (mitbok1@…>)
I think F21 has a planning hull so it can go faster than its hull speed calculated based on waterline.
http://everything2.com/e2node/Sailboat%2520performance%2520calculationsI definately seen speeds above 7 kts, mesured by GPS and a knot meter. May be even above 8 !

Dmitry
“Baltika”

----- Original Message ----From: Peter Devlin <devlin_peter@…>To: freedom21@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:04:55 PMSubject: [freedom21] Re: Wayzgoose #258 has splashed

With a hand held GPS I was reading 7 knots on several occasions last September and October in the Atlantic Ocean east of Portsmouth,NH. Supposedly not possible, but…- In freedom21@yahoogrou ps.com, “bobprol” <robert.prol@ …> wrote:>> > >> > Are you a printer?> > > > Dax> >> We purchased her with the name, and had to Google the meaning. We > aren’t printers, in fact after rereading my post about the sail from > Stony Point to Nyack, I can’t even claim to be a writer! > > We just ordered a spinnaker and gun mount, it should be in within two > weeks.> > I’ve been having some interesting discussions with friends who race > Lightnings and others on Melges 24s. In spite of our
having the knot > meter, and a handheld GPS both showing a speed in excess of 6 knots, > often breaking 7 knots, they tell me the Freedom 21 can’t go that > fast. If I were a betting man, I’d use this as an opportunity to > subsidize the spinnaker purchase.> > What kind of speeds do the rest of you see on your Freedom 21s? > > Thanks,> Bob>
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Posted by devoid154 (nweideman@…>)

We managed to get Freelance surfing on a beam reach in about 20-25
knots on some steep waves and clocked over 10knots on the speed log. We
were madly rocking and pumping the unreefed main dinghy style. It was
really good fun. From memory the GPS data only showed just over 8 knots
so we would have been sailing into two knots of current and this would
explain the steep waves.

I’ll try to locate the speed readout from the Oziexplorer tool I run on
my IPAQ gps and post it in my photo album.

cheers,

Nick

Freelance #273
near Melbourne, Australia

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Posted by Medium Al (hjulbyhavn@…>)

Hull speed is a bit over 5.6 - this matches what I have seen over 22
years of owning one of these. It is always willing to go 5.5 - 5.7

To go faster you need as you saw a lot of wind, which the boat and
hardware fortunately can handle.

Short tall waves that can lift you are good, if they keep the boat
high in the water while you have a good wind you can boost speed to a
bit over 6 regularly in a variety of situations.

Sustained high speed over 6.2-6.5 are a lot of work (and fun) and
require literally surfing to wherever the waves take you, and yes it
is a lot of fun, but also the kind of stuff sailors stories are made of,

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Posted by bobprol (robert.prol@…>)

The weekend before last we were south of the Tappan Zee Bridge, heading
north with a nice strong southerly breeze. We knocked on 8 knots a few
times under main alone. It was pretty slick surfing her. Our brand new
spinnaker comes in Friday and we’ll see what she can do with that up.