Posted by swardfullsail (swardfullsail@…>)
Has anyone tried to use wire to rope halyard on a Freedom 32? Does
the shieve need to be a different type?
Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
Hi Sward,
If your masthead halyard sheave is the same as mine, it is for line only. There are two types of wire halyard sheaves, one is narrow grooved for wire only, and one type has a wire groove in the center of the line (rope) groove. The latter is more commom with halyards because they tend to have rope tails that often use the halyard sheave when the halyard is lowered. The wire guys think that a narrow groove to contain the wire in its proper shape is important, as using wire on a rope sheave will flatten the wire, and weaken it, with eventual failure. Also, many line (rope) sheaves are made of material that will not hold up to wire,so care should be exercised if you’re thinking of doing that.
Something to consider is the purchase of one of the new generation low stretch ropes to use as your main halyard. Some of them are right down there with wire (almost), tho spendy, it would eliminate the need to replace your masthead sheave. You could probably find out about the best line from, say, West Marine, who I’m sure you’ve heard of.
Care…PWMswardfullsail <swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Has anyone tried to use wire to rope halyard on a Freedom 32? Does the shieve need to be a different type?
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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Thanks Paul, I knew I’d hear from you and almost emailed you seperately.
I thought that was the case from talking from people. The boat across the dock from me has been sold and is selling a lot of stuff and I thought that might be something worth looking into.
SwardPaul McFadden <pwhitmac@…> wrote:
Hi Sward,
If your masthead halyard sheave is the same as mine, it is for line only. There are two types of wire halyard sheaves, one is narrow grooved for wire only, and one type has a wire groove in the center of the line (rope) groove. The latter is more commom with halyards because they tend to have rope tails that often use the halyard sheave when the halyard is lowered. The wire guys think that a narrow groove to contain the wire in its proper shape is important, as using wire on a rope sheave will flatten the wire, and weaken it, with eventual failure. Also, many line (rope) sheaves are made of material that will not hold up to wire,so care should be exercised if you’re thinking of doing that.
Something to consider is the purchase of one of the new generation low stretch ropes to use as your main halyard. Some of them are right down there with wire (almost), tho spendy, it would eliminate the need to replace your masthead sheave. You could probably find out about the best line from, say, West Marine, who I’m sure you’ve heard of.
Care…PWMswardfullsail <swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Has anyone tried to use wire to rope halyard on a Freedom 32? Does the shieve need to be a different type?
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Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)
Hay Sward
I second the veto
on wire halyards. Too many dis-advantages unless you’re an all out
racer where money sails best.
I have used “high
tech” line as halyards and have found the stretch to absolutely minimal,
but had two other problems with them. 1) It is hard to splice to the
halyard shackle, it three tries to get one that would hold and yet fit the
masthead. One splice slipped dropping the main. And 2) they are
very stiff both lengthwise and circumferentially making them very hard to
handle and requiring a “full wrap” on the drum so as to get enough
friction to finish the hoist. Oh, and 3) it takes extra raps on the
cleat or they will work loose. Oh and (4 line clutches will eat
thru the outer more quickly so I tried to leave the halyard on the winch
instead of transferring the load to the clutch.
I do use high
tech, for running backs, lazy jacks and a few other places.
The Riggers Apprentice
by Brian T has a lot of good stuff and he has written a lot on high tech line.
I have gone back to stay-set X with good results.
Just my 2 cents
Brian
Guptil sailordude@…
2501 Boston St.
Slip-36 www.brigup.com
Baltimore, MD
21224 206-818-3203
S/V Cayenne is
moored on C dock.
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 2:55 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Wire to rope halyard
Thanks Paul, I knew I’d hear from you and almost
emailed you seperately.
\
I thought that was the case from talking from
people. The boat across the dock from me has been sold and is selling a
lot of stuff and I thought that might be something worth looking into.
\
Sward
Paul McFadden
<pwhitmac@…> wrote:
Hi Sward,
If your masthead halyard sheave is the same as mine,
it is for line only. There are two types of wire halyard sheaves, one is narrow
grooved for wire only, and one type has a wire groove in the center of the line
(rope) groove. The latter is more commom with halyards because they tend to have
rope tails that often use the halyard sheave when the halyard is lowered. The
wire guys think that a narrow groove to contain the wire in its proper shape is
important, as using wire on a rope sheave will flatten the wire, and weaken it,
with eventual failure. Also, many line (rope) sheaves are made of material that
will not hold up to wire,so care should be exercised if you’re thinking of
doing that.
Something to consider is the purchase of one of the
new generation low stretch ropes to use as your main halyard. Some of them are
right down there with wire (almost), tho spendy, it would eliminate the need to
replace your masthead sheave. You could probably find out about the best line
from, say, West Marine, who I’m sure you’ve heard of.
Care…PWM
swardfullsail
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Has
anyone tried to use wire to rope halyard on a Freedom 32? Does
the shieve need to be a different type?
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
I use spectra halyards with braided covers and haven’t had the problems noted below. Theya bit stiffer but not enough to cause handling problems and line clutches haven’t affected them.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Guptil
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Wire to rope halyard
Hay Sward
I second the veto on wire halyards. Too many dis-advantages unless you’re an all out racer where money sails best.
I have used “high tech” line as halyards and have found the stretch to absolutely minimal, but had two other problems with them. 1) It is hard to splice to the halyard shackle, it three tries to get one that would hold and yet fit the masthead. One splice slipped dropping the main. And 2) they are very stiff both lengthwise and circumferentially making them very hard to handle and requiring a “full wrap” on the drum so as to get enough friction to finish the hoist. Oh, and 3) it takes extra raps on the cleat or they will work loose. Oh and (4 line clutches will eat thru the outer more quickly so I tried to leave the halyard on the winch instead of transferring the load to the clutch.
I do use high tech, for running backs, lazy jacks and a few other places.
The Riggers Apprentice by Brian T has a lot of good stuff and he has written a lot on high tech line. I have gone back to stay-set X with good results.
Just my 2 cents
Brian Guptil sailordude@…
2501 Boston St. Slip-36 www.brigup.com
Baltimore, MD 21224 206-818-3203
S/V Cayenne is moored on C dock.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 2:55 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Wire to rope halyard
Thanks Paul, I knew I’d hear from you and almost emailed you seperately.
I thought that was the case from talking from people. The boat across the dock from me has been sold and is selling a lot of stuff and I thought that might be something worth looking into.
SwardPaul McFadden <pwhitmac@…> wrote:
Hi Sward,
If your masthead halyard sheave is the same as mine, it is for line only. There are two types of wire halyard sheaves, one is narrow grooved for wire only, and one type has a wire groove in the center of the line (rope) groove. The latter is more commom with halyards because they tend to have rope tails that often use the halyard sheave when the halyard is lowered. The wire guys think that a narrow groove to contain the wire in its proper shape is important, as using wire on a rope sheave will flatten the wire, and weaken it, with eventual failure. Also, many line (rope) sheaves are made of material that will not hold up to wire,so care should be exercised if you’re thinking of doing that.
Something to consider is the purchase of one of the new generation low stretch ropes to use as your main halyard. Some of them are right down there with wire (almost), tho spendy, it would eliminate the need to replace your masthead sheave. You could probably find out about the best line from, say, West Marine, who I’m sure you’ve heard of.
Care…PWMswardfullsail <swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Has anyone tried to use wire to rope halyard on a Freedom 32? Does the shieve need to be a different type?
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Posted by Jack George (chamela7@…>)
Hi, I replaced the wire center board line with spectra. the orignal set up was wire with a splice to three stran dacron line and the splice started to fray.where it ran over the 90œ deck sleave the spectra has been holding up my center board now for three or four years and looks good. it goes to a close wire drum wench, as you could never hold it by hand, as its just 1/4 inch I think thats what it is. When I first put it in and marked it so I wouldnt over reel it. The center board would still be 6" down so I had to remark it, thats about 3% strech. Had to do that just once. Iam a spectra fan!! what we need now is small blocks that can take big loads!!! Jack on "chamela"Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:
I use spectra halyards with braided covers and haven’t had the problems noted below. Theya bit stiffer but not enough to cause handling problems and line clutches haven’t affected them.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Guptil
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Wire to rope halyard
Hay Sward
I second the veto on wire halyards. Too many dis-advantages unless you’re an all out racer where money sails best.
I have used “high tech” line as halyards and have found the stretch to absolutely minimal, but had two other problems with them. 1) It is hard to splice to the halyard shackle, it three tries to get one that would hold and yet fit the masthead. One splice slipped dropping the main. And 2) they are very stiff both lengthwise and circumferentially making them very hard to handle and requiring a “full wrap” on the drum so as to get enough friction to finish the hoist. Oh, and 3) it takes extra raps on the cleat or they will work loose. Oh and (4 line clutches will eat thru the outer more quickly so I tried to leave the halyard on the winch instead of transferring the load to the clutch.
I do use high tech, for running backs, lazy jacks and a few other places.
The Riggers Apprentice by Brian T has a lot of good stuff and he has written a lot on high tech line. I have gone back to stay-set X with good results.
Just my 2 cents
Brian Guptil sailordude@…
2501 Boston St. Slip-36 www.brigup.com
Baltimore, MD 21224 206-818-3203
S/V Cayenne is moored on C dock.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 2:55 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Wire to rope halyard
Thanks Paul, I knew I’d hear from you and almost emailed you seperately.
I thought that was the case from talking from people. The boat across the dock from me has been sold and is selling a lot of stuff and I thought that might be something worth looking into.
SwardPaul McFadden <pwhitmac@…> wrote:
Hi Sward,
If your masthead halyard sheave is the same as mine, it is for line only. There are two types of wire halyard sheaves, one is narrow grooved for wire only, and one type has a wire groove in the center of the line (rope) groove. The latter is more commom with halyards because they tend to have rope tails that often use the halyard sheave when the halyard is lowered. The wire guys think that a narrow groove to contain the wire in its proper shape is important, as using wire on a rope sheave will flatten the wire, and weaken it, with eventual failure. Also, many line (rope) sheaves are made of material that will not hold up to wire,so care should be exercised if you’re thinking of doing that.
Something to consider is the purchase of one of the new generation low stretch ropes to use as your main halyard. Some of them are right down there with wire (almost), tho spendy, it would eliminate the need to replace your masthead sheave. You could probably find out about the best line from, say, West Marine, who I’m sure you’ve heard of.
Care…PWMswardfullsail <swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Has anyone tried to use wire to rope halyard on a Freedom 32? Does the shieve need to be a different type?
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