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Posted by paulsebra (paulsebra@…>)

Good day all,

I have encountered some new questions while marketing my boat. It seems
that a couple folks don’t like the wrap around sails. They seem okay to
me, though a bit odd to rig. I know some of you folks have converted to
the mast track setup.

I was hoping to get some specifics as to the product used, the
installation procedure and any problems that were encountered. Also,
did you keep the wishbones or not?

I did some searches on both boards and found some general info, but I
was hoping to get specifics and a ball park price to relay to
prospective buyers …

this is for a 1981 F33 ketch.

Thanks

Paul

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Paul,

If you convert from wraparound to track, you need new sails too. If
you have new sails (or the new owners) don’t forget to build a huge
roach. The wraparound versions were a bit undercanvassed.

My F44 was converted to track by the POs. Luckily, I still have the
wishbones. On my main, I have Antal track and slides; six batten
slides and intermediates, top plate and bottom slide. On the mizzen
there is Strongtrack with its own slides. I believe Strongtrack is
the most cost effective solution. The strongtrack is slid over a
flat stainless profile rivetted every 3" or so.

If you keep the wishbones, you don’t need expensive goosenecks,
booms and vangs, just a few extra blocks and deadeyes on the mast.
Look at www.wyliecat.com to get an idea how to best rig things.

good luck,
Michel



— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “paulsebra”
<paulsebra@…> wrote:

Good day all,

I have encountered some new questions while marketing my boat. It
seems
that a couple folks don’t like the wrap around sails. They seem
okay to
me, though a bit odd to rig. I know some of you folks have
converted to
the mast track setup.

I was hoping to get some specifics as to the product used, the
installation procedure and any problems that were encountered.
Also,
did you keep the wishbones or not?

I did some searches on both boards and found some general info,
but I
was hoping to get specifics and a ball park price to relay to
prospective buyers …

this is for a 1981 F33 ketch.

Thanks

Paul

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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

The Nonsuchs have a single-ply sail on a track with wishbone boom. Herm

At 08:08 AM 5/24/2007, paulsebra wrote:

Good day all,

I have encountered some new questions while marketing my boat. It seems
that a couple folks don’t like the wrap around sails. They seem okay to
me, though a bit odd to rig. I know some of you folks have converted to
the mast track setup.

I was hoping to get some specifics as to the product used, the
installation procedure and any problems that were encountered. Also,
did you keep the wishbones or not?

I did some searches on both boards and found some general info, but I
was hoping to get specifics and a ball park price to relay to
prospective buyers …

this is for a 1981 F33 ketch.

Thanks

Paul

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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Paul,

Have they sailed with wraparound sails or are they basing their views
on what they’ve “heard.”

The boat is what it is.
Conversion is a big project. Pull the masts. Install track. Replace
the wishbones with booms in some cases. Buy new sails. It’s not
cheap.

Plenty of Freedoms still out there with wraparound sails still
sailing. I’ve looked at your website and the boat seems reasonably
priced.

New engine. Exterior refit with all new ports and hatches. New
sanitation system. New electronics.
36 grand and people are whining about the wraparound sails?

Whoever buys that boat for 36K can put the money into the conversion
and sails if they so desire. It’s a pretty good deal from what I can
see on the website. With the new engine and exterior refit it would
be worth spending the money on the conversion if that’s what they’re
looking for.



— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “paulsebra”
<paulsebra@…> wrote:

Good day all,

I have encountered some new questions while marketing my boat. It
seems
that a couple folks don’t like the wrap around sails. They seem
okay to
me, though a bit odd to rig. I know some of you folks have
converted to
the mast track setup.

I was hoping to get some specifics as to the product used, the
installation procedure and any problems that were encountered.
Also,
did you keep the wishbones or not?

I did some searches on both boards and found some general info, but
I
was hoping to get specifics and a ball park price to relay to
prospective buyers …

this is for a 1981 F33 ketch.

Thanks

Paul

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Paul,

I agree with Dave. It may take some time, but there is a small but
strong group of Freedom catketch lovers. Some day, one will turn up
and happily buys your boat and will go sailing with the wraparounds.
When the day comes that he needs new sails, he will surely consider
changing the wraparound concept to something else. At that time he’s
come to appreciate the wraparounds and considers single ply sail
only because he wants more roach. For you it’s just a matter of
staying relaxed and keeping your leg stiff (do you use that
expression in English too). I just hope you have the time. It took
me 9 months to sell my F33/35.

You may consider offering your boat in the UK. Prices are much
higher there, even if you allow for 17,5% VAT. Take a look at the
F33/35’s for sale on www.ancasta.com, the biggest UK and EU broker
in Freedoms. If you wat to involve them, contact Brian Butler of
their Plymouth office. He’s the European Mark Edwards (used to work
for Freedom Yachts UK, became broker, knows his stuff about
Freedoms).

Stay cool and good luck,
Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

Paul,

Have they sailed with wraparound sails or are they basing their
views
on what they’ve “heard.”

The boat is what it is.
Conversion is a big project. Pull the masts. Install track.
Replace
the wishbones with booms in some cases. Buy new sails. It’s not
cheap.

Plenty of Freedoms still out there with wraparound sails still
sailing. I’ve looked at your website and the boat seems reasonably
priced.

New engine. Exterior refit with all new ports and hatches. New
sanitation system. New electronics.
36 grand and people are whining about the wraparound sails?

Whoever buys that boat for 36K can put the money into the
conversion
and sails if they so desire. It’s a pretty good deal from what I
can
see on the website. With the new engine and exterior refit it
would
be worth spending the money on the conversion if that’s what
they’re
looking for.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “paulsebra”
<paulsebra@> wrote:

Good day all,

I have encountered some new questions while marketing my boat.
It
seems
that a couple folks don’t like the wrap around sails. They seem
okay to
me, though a bit odd to rig. I know some of you folks have
converted to
the mast track setup.

I was hoping to get some specifics as to the product used, the
installation procedure and any problems that were encountered.
Also,
did you keep the wishbones or not?

I did some searches on both boards and found some general info,
but
I
was hoping to get specifics and a ball park price to relay to
prospective buyers …

this is for a 1981 F33 ketch.

Thanks

Paul

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Posted by paulsebra (paulsebra@…>)

Dave et al,

Thanks for the feedback … yes, I believe these comments are what
people have “heard” from non-Freedom owners. I even had someone tell me
that “I talked to a sail loft and nobody can make wrap around sails any
more”. I tried to explain that there are plenty of custom lofts that
will build whatever you want when these wear out … but people believe
what they believe.

As a live aboard cruiser, I found that light air brought two
possibilities, either you had no schedule, so you just relax and sail
slow … or you fire up the engine to make anchorage before dark or
whatever… but people tell me they want to cruise long term, but have
concerns like a bouy racer??? doesn’t make sense to me (along with
many other things in this world)



Paul

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Posted by paulsebra (paulsebra@…>)

Michel,

Thanks for the specific info, I will check out the web site

Paul

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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

The loft in Thailand that builds our sails also builds a lot of
wraparound sails for Wharram cats. We’re working on a quote right now
for a set of wraparound sails w/ twinply leeches on a 33.
Anyone who says you can’t get wraparound sails made is full of crap.
Did that person bother to inquire at Haarstick?


— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “paulsebra”
<paulsebra@…> wrote:

Dave et al,

Thanks for the feedback … yes, I believe these comments are what
people have “heard” from non-Freedom owners. I even had someone
tell me
that “I talked to a sail loft and nobody can make wrap around sails
any
more”. I tried to explain that there are plenty of custom lofts
that
will build whatever you want when these wear out … but people
believe
what they believe.

As a live aboard cruiser, I found that light air brought two
possibilities, either you had no schedule, so you just relax and
sail
slow … or you fire up the engine to make anchorage before dark
or
whatever… but people tell me they want to cruise long term, but
have
concerns like a bouy racer??? doesn’t make sense to me (along with
many other things in this world)

Paul

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

The combination of buoy racer concerns and blue water cruising
ambitions is usually a symptom of inexperience. These people read
the sailing magazines and echo the stories they read.

Take your time if you can, and a real Freedom adept will step
forward and happily buys your boat.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “paulsebra”
<paulsebra@…> wrote:

Dave et al,

Thanks for the feedback … yes, I believe these comments are
what
people have “heard” from non-Freedom owners. I even had someone
tell me
that “I talked to a sail loft and nobody can make wrap around
sails any
more”. I tried to explain that there are plenty of custom lofts
that
will build whatever you want when these wear out … but people
believe
what they believe.

As a live aboard cruiser, I found that light air brought two
possibilities, either you had no schedule, so you just relax and
sail
slow … or you fire up the engine to make anchorage before dark
or
whatever… but people tell me they want to cruise long term, but
have
concerns like a bouy racer??? doesn’t make sense to me (along
with
many other things in this world)

Paul