Wylie and Nonsuch vs Freedom wishbone rig

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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

Lance,
The main difference is that the Wylie and Nonsuch have a single ply
sail on a track, combined with a fixed (or almost fixed) mounted
wishbone. The Freedom wishbone has to come down with the sail, the
other two don’t. The Nonsuch has a fixed wishbone pennant, the Wylie
an adjustable pennant, as the Freedom has also. This function is
important because the height of the forward wishbone end manages the
tightness of the leech; it functions as a boomkicker. In addition to
that, the Nonsuch and the Wyliecat have an horizontal adjuster for
the forward wishbone end, also called a ‘snotter’. Freedom does not
have this feature. The snotter controls the flatness of the sail.
The more you let the forward wishbone end slide forward, the more
belly in the sail. Freedom does this by tightening or releasing the
clew end of the sail, wich requires much more purchase.

The track on which the Wylie and Nonsuch sails run, has some
advantages and some disadvantages compared to a wraparound sail.

  1. A wraparound sail looks geeky, a track looks racy.
  2. with a track, you can attach a radar to you mast.
  3. with a track, you can have full length battens and a big roach in
    the sail.
  4. with a track, you cannot wing out the sail further than 90 degrees
    without risking batten breakage or slide and track damage.
  5. when letting out a sail on a track, the sail gets flatter the more
    sheet you pay out. Instead, the sail should get less flat when
    sailing off the wind.


    — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
    <lance_ryley@y…> wrote:

I’m curious what the difference between the Freedom wishbone design
and a design like the Wylie or Nonsuch is. I never saw my boat with
the original wishbones up close and personal. Someone care to take
a
stab?

lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I would definitely opt for a rig like the Wyliecat. These sails
are
really powerful!

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “muckingabout”
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40 Mk2 Centre
Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any group memebers
have
any suggestions about improving on the standard layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to be much
simpler;
are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Thanks Michel,
I’d forgotten the original Freedom plans call for wraparounds as
well. I’ve been looking at some of the wylie designs - very
impressive - and there’s a Nonsuch down the dock that I took a look
at earlier. I appreciate the lesson!

Lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

Lance,
The main difference is that the Wylie and Nonsuch have a single
ply
sail on a track, combined with a fixed (or almost fixed) mounted
wishbone. The Freedom wishbone has to come down with the sail, the
other two don’t. The Nonsuch has a fixed wishbone pennant, the
Wylie
an adjustable pennant, as the Freedom has also. This function is
important because the height of the forward wishbone end manages
the
tightness of the leech; it functions as a boomkicker. In addition
to
that, the Nonsuch and the Wyliecat have an horizontal adjuster for
the forward wishbone end, also called a ‘snotter’. Freedom does
not
have this feature. The snotter controls the flatness of the sail.
The more you let the forward wishbone end slide forward, the more
belly in the sail. Freedom does this by tightening or releasing
the
clew end of the sail, wich requires much more purchase.

The track on which the Wylie and Nonsuch sails run, has some
advantages and some disadvantages compared to a wraparound sail.

  1. A wraparound sail looks geeky, a track looks racy.
  2. with a track, you can attach a radar to you mast.
  3. with a track, you can have full length battens and a big roach
    in
    the sail.
  4. with a track, you cannot wing out the sail further than 90
    degrees
    without risking batten breakage or slide and track damage.
  5. when letting out a sail on a track, the sail gets flatter the
    more
    sheet you pay out. Instead, the sail should get less flat when
    sailing off the wind.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@y…> wrote:

I’m curious what the difference between the Freedom wishbone
design
and a design like the Wylie or Nonsuch is. I never saw my boat
with
the original wishbones up close and personal. Someone care to
take
a
stab?

lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I would definitely opt for a rig like the Wyliecat. These
sails
are
really powerful!

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “muckingabout”
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40 Mk2 Centre
Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new sails,
lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any group
memebers
have
any suggestions about improving on the standard layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to be much
simpler;
are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.