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Posted by swardfullsail (swardfullsail@…>)

Hello all,

My boating experience continues to be an adventure-not all that I
wanted it to be however.

I have a Gary Hoyt design 32 - named “Dream On”

This week I plan to replace my 3GMF Yanmar with the 3YM30. Has
anyone done this and have any advise? I have had a lot of problems
with it and yesterday, one of the engine mounts let go and left me
stranded for the last time. I had a leak in my raw water vented
loop for awhile and have rust so it is inevetible for more
problems. I decided to go with a new engine instead of rebuilding
for many reasons.

The second problem is the battens in the sail. Come to find out
after 5 1/2 years living aboard, I have learned that the battens are
too small for the sail. They are about an inch wide and should be 2
inches as that is the size of the pockets. Has anyone else found
this problem? I am having new sails made-another adventure off the
coast of South Carolina too long to go into!

While I was going down the ICW last week to Miami, my throttle
broke. I called Edson and was told that West Marine had the
replacement, which I bought, however, it seemed that to work, I had
to take the pedistal apart and push the top part back or actually
forward toward the bow for the throttle to be able to work with the
angle in which it is made. This is not the solution.

Does anyone have any comments, advise, help? I’d appreciate
anything. Being a single woman livingaboard, I have learned many,
many things, but am tired of problems constantly, however, I have
been told by many boaters that this is normal!!

Oh, I have also had hours and hours of problems with air in my fuel
lines somewhere. I have replaced the hoses from the tank to the
Racor 500 that I installed a couple of years ago. I also put new
fittings on the Racor since the ones I had were jury rigged. I have
blead the engine more times than I could ever keep track of-still
problems. This needs to be resolved as the new engine won’t solve
this issue. Don’t know what to do next.

Sward
s/v “Dream On”

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)



Sorry to hear of all your problems.
On my F-33 I recently dissembled and
replaced many parts involved including the throttle cable. I don’t know
how similar mine is to yours. I had no trouble with the cable as long as it was
properly secured in pedestal. It is held in place with a cotter pin through a
plastic part bolted to the pedestal from the inside.
Had I not taken the top off the pedestal I
think it would have been very difficult to reach and secure properly. In
addition the end connected to the engine throttle needs to be properly secured.
Probably you know all this.

I also had long standing problems with air
leaks . Until it got bad I thought the old engine was hard starting for other
reasons. I did a lot of replacements to connection etc. on my 2 racor setup to
no avail. I decided to replace them with a Filterboss dual filter with pump,
vacuum gauge and vacuum alarm. This was one of the best upgrades I’ve
ever done. As a side benefit it clearly solved the air leaks and they must have
been the cause of the hard starting because the engine starts immediately now.
I know longer run the engine to bleed it. I just turn on the filterboss pump
and bleed. As a side benefit I was able to track down some minor leaky gasket
because without the engine running but fuel pumping I could get in there and
really isolate things.
Its expensive but since your putting in a
new engine your already in for a lot and this is really a great setup. I did
the installation myself since it comes preassembled on a synthetic board that
you just bolt in place (where my old dual filter setup was and reconnect the
fuel hoses and run some dc power for the pump and alarm.

Good luck.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982 SEAPR





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Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007
11:28 PM
To:
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003]
Yanmar-battens-throttle




Hello all,

My boating experience continues to be an adventure-not all that I
wanted it to be however.

I have a Gary Hoyt design 32 - named “Dream On”

This week I plan to replace my 3GMF Yanmar with the 3YM30. Has
anyone done this and have any advise? I have had a lot of problems
with it and yesterday, one of the engine mounts let go and left me
stranded for the last time. I had a leak in my raw water vented
loop for awhile and have rust so it is inevetible for more
problems. I decided to go with a new engine instead of rebuilding
for many reasons.

The second problem is the battens in the sail. Come to find out
after 5 1/2 years living aboard, I have learned that the battens are
too small for the sail. They are about an inch wide and should be 2
inches as that is the size of the pockets. Has anyone else found
this problem? I am having new sails made-another adventure off the
coast of South Carolina
too long to go into!

While I was going down the ICW last week to Miami, my throttle
broke. I called Edson and was told that West Marine had the
replacement, which I bought, however, it seemed that to work, I had
to take the pedistal apart and push the top part back or actually
forward toward the bow for the throttle to be able to work with the
angle in which it is made. This is not the solution.

Does anyone have any comments, advise, help? I’d appreciate
anything. Being a single woman livingaboard, I have learned many,
many things, but am tired of problems constantly, however, I have
been told by many boaters that this is normal!!

Oh, I have also had hours and hours of problems with air in my fuel
lines somewhere. I have replaced the hoses from the tank to the
Racor 500 that I installed a couple of years ago. I also put new
fittings on the Racor since the ones I had were jury rigged. I have
blead the engine more times than I could ever keep track of-still
problems. This needs to be resolved as the new engine won’t solve
this issue. Don’t know what to do next.

Sward
s/v “Dream On”

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Posted by svfantasy@… (svfantasy@…>)
Sward,
As for the engine, your motor mount probably failed due to the prolonged leaky vented loop. I had the same problem and replaced all motor mounts last year. Two had corroded due to the salt water dripping on them from the leak.
As for replacing your engine, if the hours are not too extreme have a mechanic check compression and all other critical items. If they are within spec ,why replace the engine? Repair the vented loop (easy), replace all motor mounts and you should be good to go, and a lot less expensive!
Your fuel line problem is also easy to correct. Get a rebuild kit for the Racor 500 (it could be the culpret), recheck all your new connections, and then look to the fuel componants on your engine. Maybe the fuel filter gasket, lift pump, fuel lines, and high pressure injection pump. I hate to see you spend the thousands of dollars replacing your engine if it is not necessary.
Battens? It’s important to have the right size, replace them
Throttle problem? I’m sure exactly what you are describing, maybe someone else can help.
Jay Glen

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Hi Sward,

as far as the battens go, I’m not sure if they really need to be
replaced or not. If they’re long enough for the sail, and they are
firmly seated in the batten car at the luff, then the absolute width
of the batten may not be a factor and is in fact reducing the amount
of weight aloft. If you’re truly concerned and want a professional
opinion, I’d call either Kevin Montague at 781-559-8416 or Jeff Gibbs
at Haarstick in RI at 401-294-3626.

Regarding your engine bleeding problems. I had an extremely difficult
to diagnose bleeding problem on Bright Star. She’d run for about 15
minutes at best and then have to be bled again. I re-ran fuel line,
replaced filters, rebuilt the racor, etc. etc. with no change in the
situation. I don’t remember how I came to the conclusion to try it,
but I ended up using a small car compressor to blow out the return
line from the engine to the fuel tank, and haven’t had a single
problem since. That was 3 years ago.

Lance
Bright Star

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:

Hello all,

My boating experience continues to be an adventure-not all that I
wanted it to be however.

I have a Gary Hoyt design 32 - named “Dream On”

This week I plan to replace my 3GMF Yanmar with the 3YM30. Has
anyone done this and have any advise? I have had a lot of problems
with it and yesterday, one of the engine mounts let go and left me
stranded for the last time. I had a leak in my raw water vented
loop for awhile and have rust so it is inevetible for more
problems. I decided to go with a new engine instead of rebuilding
for many reasons.

The second problem is the battens in the sail. Come to find out
after 5 1/2 years living aboard, I have learned that the battens
are
too small for the sail. They are about an inch wide and should be 2
inches as that is the size of the pockets. Has anyone else found
this problem? I am having new sails made-another adventure off the
coast of South Carolina too long to go into!

While I was going down the ICW last week to Miami, my throttle
broke. I called Edson and was told that West Marine had the
replacement, which I bought, however, it seemed that to work, I had
to take the pedistal apart and push the top part back or actually
forward toward the bow for the throttle to be able to work with the
angle in which it is made. This is not the solution.

Does anyone have any comments, advise, help? I’d appreciate
anything. Being a single woman livingaboard, I have learned many,
many things, but am tired of problems constantly, however, I have
been told by many boaters that this is normal!!

Oh, I have also had hours and hours of problems with air in my fuel
lines somewhere. I have replaced the hoses from the tank to the
Racor 500 that I installed a couple of years ago. I also put new
fittings on the Racor since the ones I had were jury rigged. I
have
blead the engine more times than I could ever keep track of-still
problems. This needs to be resolved as the new engine won’t solve
this issue. Don’t know what to do next.

Sward
s/v “Dream On”

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Posted by vtaiariol (borelmfg@…>)

Hi Sward,

All the problems you described, unfortunately , are par for the
course. Comes under the heading " joys of boat ownership". Don’t get
discouraged, sooner or later you get ahead of the curve.
On the fuel/air problem, check the dip tube in the fuel tank. They
can rust out and become pitted or restricted . Since you have
already replaced all the fuel lines, this maybe the problem. Be very
careful when unscrewing the fitting on the aluminum tank. A little
WD-40 will help. A vacuum gauge on the fuel filter is great
diagnostic tool. Very expensive from West Marine , very cheap from
mcmaster.com

Best of luck. BTW your problems are not that bad. I have seen much
worse.


Regards

Van





— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:

Hello all,

My boating experience continues to be an adventure-not all that I
wanted it to be however.

I have a Gary Hoyt design 32 - named “Dream On”

This week I plan to replace my 3GMF Yanmar with the 3YM30. Has
anyone done this and have any advise? I have had a lot of
problems
with it and yesterday, one of the engine mounts let go and left me
stranded for the last time. I had a leak in my raw water vented
loop for awhile and have rust so it is inevetible for more
problems. I decided to go with a new engine instead of rebuilding
for many reasons.

The second problem is the battens in the sail. Come to find out
after 5 1/2 years living aboard, I have learned that the battens
are
too small for the sail. They are about an inch wide and should be
2
inches as that is the size of the pockets. Has anyone else found
this problem? I am having new sails made-another adventure off
the
coast of South Carolina too long to go into!

While I was going down the ICW last week to Miami, my throttle
broke. I called Edson and was told that West Marine had the
replacement, which I bought, however, it seemed that to work, I
had
to take the pedistal apart and push the top part back or actually
forward toward the bow for the throttle to be able to work with
the
angle in which it is made. This is not the solution.

Does anyone have any comments, advise, help? I’d appreciate
anything. Being a single woman livingaboard, I have learned many,
many things, but am tired of problems constantly, however, I have
been told by many boaters that this is normal!!

Oh, I have also had hours and hours of problems with air in my
fuel
lines somewhere. I have replaced the hoses from the tank to the
Racor 500 that I installed a couple of years ago. I also put new
fittings on the Racor since the ones I had were jury rigged. I
have
blead the engine more times than I could ever keep track of-still
problems. This needs to be resolved as the new engine won’t solve
this issue. Don’t know what to do next.

Sward
s/v “Dream On”

6

Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Hi Lance, That fuel line solution seems to make the most sense. Thanks. I am having new sails made and the sailmaker and another extremely knowledgeable sail racer were both appalled about the sizes of the battens that I had. They didn’t fit in the new Harken Track Batt Cars and that was a huge problem. I was told that the old ones would twist too much and not let the sail shape properly. Swardlance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote: Hi Sward,as far as the battens go, I’m not sure if they really need to be replaced or not. If they’re long enough for the sail, and they are firmly seated in the batten car at the luff, then the absolute width of the batten may not be a factor and is in fact reducing the amount of weight aloft. If you’re truly concerned and want a professional opinion, I’d call either Kevin Montague at 781-559-8416 or Jeff Gibbs at Haarstick in RI at 401-294-3626.Regarding your engine bleeding problems. I had an extremely difficult to diagnose bleeding problem on Bright Star. She’d run for about 15 minutes at best and then have to be bled again. I re-ran fuel line, replaced filters, rebuilt the racor, etc. etc. with no change in the situation. I don’t remember how I came to the conclusion to try it, but I ended up using a small car compressor to blow out the return
line from the engine to the fuel tank, and haven’t had a single problem since. That was 3 years ago.LanceBright Star— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail” <swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> Hello all,> > My boating experience continues to be an adventure-not all that I > wanted it to be however.> > I have a Gary Hoyt design 32 - named “Dream On” > > This week I plan to replace my 3GMF Yanmar with the 3YM30. Has > anyone done this and have any advise? I have had a lot of problems > with it and yesterday, one of the engine mounts let go and left me > stranded for the last time. I had a leak in my raw water vented > loop for awhile and have rust so it is inevetible for more > problems. I decided to go with a new engine instead of rebuilding > for many
reasons.> > The second problem is the battens in the sail. Come to find out > after 5 1/2 years living aboard, I have learned that the battens are > too small for the sail. They are about an inch wide and should be 2 > inches as that is the size of the pockets. Has anyone else found > this problem? I am having new sails made-another adventure off the > coast of South Carolina too long to go into!> > While I was going down the ICW last week to Miami, my throttle > broke. I called Edson and was told that West Marine had the > replacement, which I bought, however, it seemed that to work, I had > to take the pedistal apart and push the top part back or actually > forward toward the bow for the throttle to be able to work with the > angle in which it is made. This is not the solution.> > Does anyone have any comments, advise, help? I’d appreciate >
anything. Being a single woman livingaboard, I have learned many, > many things, but am tired of problems constantly, however, I have > been told by many boaters that this is normal!!> > Oh, I have also had hours and hours of problems with air in my fuel > lines somewhere. I have replaced the hoses from the tank to the > Racor 500 that I installed a couple of years ago. I also put new > fittings on the Racor since the ones I had were jury rigged. I have > blead the engine more times than I could ever keep track of-still > problems. This needs to be resolved as the new engine won’t solve > this issue. Don’t know what to do next.> > Sward> s/v “Dream On”>

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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Battens aren’t that expensive in the scheme of things and if you’re
adding roach the old ones won’t work anyway.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Sward <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:

Hi Lance,

That fuel line solution seems to make the most sense. Thanks.

I am having new sails made and the sailmaker and another
extremely knowledgeable sail racer were both appalled about the sizes
of the battens that I had. They didn’t fit in the new Harken Track
Batt Cars and that was a huge problem. I was told that the old ones
would twist too much and not let the sail shape properly.

Sward

lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote:
Hi Sward,

as far as the battens go, I’m not sure if they really need to be
replaced or not. If they’re long enough for the sail, and they are
firmly seated in the batten car at the luff, then the absolute
width
of the batten may not be a factor and is in fact reducing the
amount
of weight aloft. If you’re truly concerned and want a professional
opinion, I’d call either Kevin Montague at 781-559-8416 or Jeff
Gibbs
at Haarstick in RI at 401-294-3626.

Regarding your engine bleeding problems. I had an extremely
difficult
to diagnose bleeding problem on Bright Star. She’d run for about 15
minutes at best and then have to be bled again. I re-ran fuel line,
replaced filters, rebuilt the racor, etc. etc. with no change in
the
situation. I don’t remember how I came to the conclusion to try it,
but I ended up using a small car compressor to blow out the return
line from the engine to the fuel tank, and haven’t had a single
problem since. That was 3 years ago.

Lance
Bright Star

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@> wrote:

Hello all,

My boating experience continues to be an adventure-not all that I
wanted it to be however.

I have a Gary Hoyt design 32 - named “Dream On”

This week I plan to replace my 3GMF Yanmar with the 3YM30. Has
anyone done this and have any advise? I have had a lot of
problems
with it and yesterday, one of the engine mounts let go and left
me
stranded for the last time. I had a leak in my raw water vented
loop for awhile and have rust so it is inevetible for more
problems. I decided to go with a new engine instead of rebuilding
for many reasons.

The second problem is the battens in the sail. Come to find out
after 5 1/2 years living aboard, I have learned that the battens
are
too small for the sail. They are about an inch wide and should be
2
inches as that is the size of the pockets. Has anyone else found
this problem? I am having new sails made-another adventure off
the
coast of South Carolina too long to go into!

While I was going down the ICW last week to Miami, my throttle
broke. I called Edson and was told that West Marine had the
replacement, which I bought, however, it seemed that to work, I
had
to take the pedistal apart and push the top part back or actually
forward toward the bow for the throttle to be able to work with
the
angle in which it is made. This is not the solution.

Does anyone have any comments, advise, help? I’d appreciate
anything. Being a single woman livingaboard, I have learned many,
many things, but am tired of problems constantly, however, I have
been told by many boaters that this is normal!!

Oh, I have also had hours and hours of problems with air in my
fuel
lines somewhere. I have replaced the hoses from the tank to the
Racor 500 that I installed a couple of years ago. I also put new
fittings on the Racor since the ones I had were jury rigged. I
have
blead the engine more times than I could ever keep track of-still
problems. This needs to be resolved as the new engine won’t solve
this issue. Don’t know what to do next.

Sward
s/v “Dream On”

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Posted by Pat and Laurie Stockwell (svmisspearl@…>)
Hello Van. My finger was on the west marine button, just as I read you note. When we switched to the Racor 500, we opted not for the gauge at the time. Now, of course, it is time. I visited McMaster site. Which gauge did you use and what adapter? My local West store will curse your name. I on the other hand will praise you. Thanks. patvtaiariol <borelmfg@…> wrote: Hi Sward,All the problems you described, unfortunately , are par for the course. Comes under the heading " joys of boat ownership". Don’t get
discouraged, sooner or later you get ahead of the curve. On the fuel/air problem, check the dip tube in the fuel tank. They can rust out and become pitted or restricted . Since you have already replaced all the fuel lines, this maybe the problem. Be very careful when unscrewing the fitting on the aluminum tank. A little WD-40 will help. A vacuum gauge on the fuel filter is great diagnostic tool. Very expensive from West Marine , very cheap from mcmaster.com Best of luck. BTW your problems are not that bad. I have seen much worse.RegardsVan— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail” <swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> Hello all,> > My boating experience continues to be an adventure-not all that I > wanted it to be however.> > I have a Gary Hoyt design 32 - named “Dream
On” > > This week I plan to replace my 3GMF Yanmar with the 3YM30. Has > anyone done this and have any advise? I have had a lot of problems > with it and yesterday, one of the engine mounts let go and left me > stranded for the last time. I had a leak in my raw water vented > loop for awhile and have rust so it is inevetible for more > problems. I decided to go with a new engine instead of rebuilding > for many reasons.> > The second problem is the battens in the sail. Come to find out > after 5 1/2 years living aboard, I have learned that the battens are > too small for the sail. They are about an inch wide and should be 2 > inches as that is the size of the pockets. Has anyone else found > this problem? I am having new sails made-another adventure off the > coast of South Carolina too long to go into!> > While I was going down the ICW
last week to Miami, my throttle > broke. I called Edson and was told that West Marine had the > replacement, which I bought, however, it seemed that to work, I had > to take the pedistal apart and push the top part back or actually > forward toward the bow for the throttle to be able to work with the > angle in which it is made. This is not the solution.> > Does anyone have any comments, advise, help? I’d appreciate > anything. Being a single woman livingaboard, I have learned many, > many things, but am tired of problems constantly, however, I have > been told by many boaters that this is normal!!> > Oh, I have also had hours and hours of problems with air in my fuel > lines somewhere. I have replaced the hoses from the tank to the > Racor 500 that I installed a couple of years ago. I also put new > fittings on the Racor since the ones I had were jury
rigged. I have > blead the engine more times than I could ever keep track of-still > problems. This needs to be resolved as the new engine won’t solve > this issue. Don’t know what to do next.> > Sward> s/v “Dream On”>
Don’t pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.

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Posted by Alan Putnam (aputnam1@…>)



I replaced the 3GMF with a 3YM30 when I bought my Hoyt 32 a couple of
years ago. It went in fairly smoothly. The exhaust is on the opposite side and the
3YM requires a 2 inch exhaust instead of the inch and a half. The only other
problem was that the oil pan on the new engine was too close to the fiberglass
oil pan between the engine mounts. The mechanic installing it, ‘relieved’ the
fiberglass lip so that there was enough room. Obviously we had to replace the
through hull. To get the plumbing to work we replaced the old water lift
muffler with a Vetus. It’s been great.

Alan Putnam
Silver Spray

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From:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007
4:14 PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: Yanmar-battens-throttle

Hi Lance,

That fuel
line solution seems to make the most sense. Thanks.

I am having
new sails made and the sailmaker and another extremely knowledgeable sail racer
were both appalled about the sizes of the battens that I had. They didn’t
fit in the new Harken Track Batt Cars and that was a huge problem. I was
told that the old ones would twist too much and not let the sail shape
properly.

Sward

lance_ryley
<lance_ryley@yahoo.com> wrote:


Hi Sward,

as far as the battens go, I’m not sure if they really need to be
replaced or not. If they’re long enough for the sail, and they are
firmly seated in the batten car at the luff, then the absolute width
of the batten may not be a factor and
line from the engine to the fuel tank, and haven’t had a single
problem since. That was 3 years ago.

Lance
Bright Star

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:

Hello all,

My boating experience continues to be an adventure-not all that I
wanted it to be however.

I have a Gary Hoyt design 32 - named “Dream On”

This week I plan to replace my 3GMF Yanmar with the 3YM30. Has
anyone done this and have any advise? I have had a lot of problems
with it and yesterday, one of the engine mounts let go and left me
stranded for the last time. I had a leak in my raw water vented
loop for awhile and have rust so it is inevetible for more
problems. I decided to go with a new engine instead of rebuilding
for many reasons.

The second problem is the battens in the sail. Come to find out
after 5 1/2 years living aboard, I have learned that the battens
are
too small for the sail. They are about an inch wide and should be 2
inches as that is the size of the pockets. Has anyone else found
this problem? I am having new sails made-another adventure off the
coast of South Carolina too long to go into!

While I was going down the ICW last week to Miami, my throttle
broke. I called Edson and was told that West Marine had the
replacement, which I bought, however, it seemed that to work, I had
to take the pedistal apart and push the top part back or actually
forward toward the bow for the throttle to be able to work with the
angle in which it is made. This is not the solution.

Does anyone have any comments, advise, help? I’d appreciate
anything. Being a single woman livingaboard, I have learned many,
many things, but am tired of problems constantly, however, I have
been told by many boaters that this is normal!!

Oh, I have also had hours and hours of problems with air in my fuel
lines somewhere. I have replaced the hoses from the tank to the
Racor 500 that I installed a couple of years ago. I also put new
fittings on the Racor since the ones I had were jury rigged. I
have
blead the engine more times than I could ever keep track of-still
problems. This needs to be resolved as the new engine won’t solve
this issue. Don’t know what to do next.

Sward
s/v “Dream On”


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Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)


I am interested in what is the cost of re-powering. My 3GMF is running powerfully and I have had no complaints. Given the age of the boat, and that I am now (having quit my travel-consulting job in Europe) able to go sailing much more frequently, I may need to look at this in the future.

Any ideas?

Scott

Girlfriend
F-32 HoytSee what’s free at AOL.com.

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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

I got a price from a Yanmar dealer at the Maine Boatbuilders show last
month of about $7200 plus installation.
Good Luck.
TW



At 07:15 AM 4/13/2007 -0400, you wrote:

I am interested in what is the cost of re-powering. My 3GMF is running
powerfully and I have had no complaints. Given the age of the boat, and
that I am now (having quit my travel-consulting job in Europe) able to go
sailing much more frequently, I may need to look at this in the future.

Any ideas?

Scott

Girlfriend
F-32 Hoyt

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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Thanks Alan, Sward Alan Putnam <aputnam1@…> wrote: I replaced the 3GMF with a 3YM30 when I bought my Hoyt 32 a couple of years ago. It went in fairly smoothly. The exhaust is on the opposite side and the 3YM requires a 2 inch
exhaust instead of the inch and a half. The only other problem was that the oil pan on the new engine was too close to the fiberglass oil pan between the engine mounts. The mechanic installing it, ‘relieved’ the fiberglass lip so that there was enough room. Obviously we had to replace the through hull. To get the plumbing to work we replaced the old water lift muffler with a Vetus. It’s been great. Alan Putnam Silver Spray -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of SwardSent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:14 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Yanmar-battens-throttle Hi Lance, That fuel line solution seems to make the most sense. Thanks. I am having new sails made and the sailmaker and another extremely knowledgeable sail racer were both appalled about the sizes of the battens that I had. They didn’t fit in the new Harken Track Batt Cars and that was a huge problem. I was told that the old ones would twist too much and not let the sail shape properly. Swardlance_ryley <lance_ryley@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Sward,as far as the battens go, I’m not sure if they really need to be replaced or not. If they’re long enough for the sail, and they are firmly seated in the batten car at the luff, then the absolute width of the batten may not be a factor and line from the engine to the fuel tank, and haven’t had a single problem since. That was 3 years ago.LanceBright Star— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail” <swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> Hello all,> > My boating experience continues to be an adventure-not all that I > wanted it to be however.> > I have a Gary Hoyt design 32 - named “Dream On” > > This week I plan to replace my 3GMF Yanmar with the 3YM30. Has > anyone done this and have any advise? I have had a lot of problems > with it and yesterday, one of the engine mounts let go and left me > stranded for the last time. I had a leak in my raw water vented > loop for awhile and have rust so it is inevetible for more > problems. I decided to go with a new engine instead of rebuilding > for many reasons.> > The second problem is the battens in the sail. Come to find out > after 5 1/2 years living aboard, I have learned that
the battens are > too small for the sail. They are about an inch wide and should be 2 > inches as that is the size of the pockets. Has anyone else found > this problem? I am having new sails made-another adventure off the > coast of South Carolina too long to go into!> > While I was going down the ICW last week to Miami, my throttle > broke. I called Edson and was told that West Marine had the > replacement, which I bought, however, it seemed that to work, I had > to take the pedistal apart and push the top part back or actually > forward toward the bow for the throttle to be able to work with the > angle in which it is made. This is not the solution.> > Does anyone have any comments, advise, help? I’d appreciate > anything. Being a single woman livingaboard, I have learned many, > many things, but am tired of problems constantly, however, I have > been told
by many boaters that this is normal!!> > Oh, I have also had hours and hours of problems with air in my fuel > lines somewhere. I have replaced the hoses from the tank to the > Racor 500 that I installed a couple of years ago. I also put new > fittings on the Racor since the ones I had were jury rigged. I have > blead the engine more times than I could ever keep track of-still > problems. This needs to be resolved as the new engine won’t solve > this issue. Don’t know what to do next.> > Sward> s/v “Dream On”>

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

I have seen costs of yard installation equaling the cost of the engine but
it varies widely. Of course if you do it yourself then you’ld be close to
$7200.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:39 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Yanmar-battens-throttle

I got a price from a Yanmar dealer at the Maine Boatbuilders show last
month of about $7200 plus installation.
Good Luck.
TW



At 07:15 AM 4/13/2007 -0400, you wrote:

I am interested in what is the cost of re-powering. My 3GMF is running
powerfully and I have had no complaints. Given the age of the boat, and
that I am now (having quit my travel-consulting job in Europe) able to go
sailing much more frequently, I may need to look at this in the future.

Any ideas?

Scott

Girlfriend
F-32 Hoyt

See what’s free at <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>AOL.com.

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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
The Yanmar itself is $7200.00, and I was told by the mechanic , that it would probably take between 15-18 hours to do the installation at $95/hr. It has a new key switch panel and wire harness so that needs to be installed as well and that area will need some modification as the new panel is a different size than the old one. I’ll let you know what the bottom line is when it’s done, if I can still afford the computer hookup!!! Sward s/v “Dream On” Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote: I have seen costs of yard installation equaling the cost of the engine butit varies widely. Of course if you do it yourself then you’ld be close to$7200.Alan-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas WalesSent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:39 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Yanmar-battens-throttleI got a price from a Yanmar dealer at the Maine Boatbuilders show last month of about $7200 plus installation.Good Luck.TWAt 07:15 AM 4/13/2007
-0400, you wrote:>I am interested in what is the cost of re-powering. My 3GMF is running >powerfully and I have had no complaints. Given the age of the boat, and >that I am now (having quit my travel-consulting job in Europe) able to go >sailing much more frequently, I may need to look at this in the future.>>Any ideas?>>>Scott>>Girlfriend>F-32 Hoyt>>>>>---------->See what’s free at <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>AOL.com.>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 >7:58 PM

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Sward:

I’ve never replaced an engine (thankfully), but the labor charges you have been quoted are far and way the lowest I’ve ever seen. I’d get it locked in if I were you. It typically runs 2-3 times more than your estimate.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:45 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Yanmar-battens-throttle


The Yanmar itself is $7200.00, and I was told by the mechanic , that it would probably take between 15-18 hours to do the installation at $95/hr. It has a new key switch panel and wire harness so that needs to be installed as well and that area will need some modification as the new panel is a different size than the old one. I’ll let you know what the bottom line is when it’s done, if I can still afford the computer hookup!!!

Sward
s/v “Dream On”
Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@yahoo.com> wrote:


I have seen costs of yard installation equaling the cost of the engine butit varies widely. Of course if you do it yourself then you’ld be close! to$7200.Alan-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas WalesSent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:39 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Yanmar-battens-throttleI got a price from a Yanmar dealer at the Maine Boatbuilders show last month of about $7200 plus installation.Good Luck.TWAt 07:15 AM 4/13/2007 -0400, you wrote:>I am interested in what is the cost of re-powering. My 3GMF is running >powerfully and I have had no complaints. Given the age of the boat, and >that I am now (having quit my travel-consulting job in Europe) able to go >sailing much more frequently, I may need to look at this in the future.>>Any ideas?>>>Scott>>Girlfriend>F-32 Hoyt>>>>>---------->See what’s free at <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>AOL.com.>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 >7:58 PM

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)



I replaced an engine once myself. Granted
I was pretty inexperienced. It took me 6 hours just to properly align the
shaft.
Generally its never as easy as it drop in
where it was and change nothing else. I was looking at a boat that needed an
engine replacement (an F-33) at one point and two yards estimated almost double
the cost of the engine itself. Hard to understand but consistent. Neither was
willing to commit to a fixed price.
Alan





From:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:53
PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: Yanmar-battens-throttle






Sward:

\



I’ve never replaced an engine (thankfully),
but the labor charges you have been quoted are far and way the lowest I’ve ever
seen. I’d get it locked in if I were you. It typically runs 2-3 times
more than your estimate.

\



Al Lorman


F30 Ab Initio

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-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:45
AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: Yanmar-battens-throttle


The Yanmar itself is $7200.00, and I was told by the mechanic , that it
would probably take between 15-18 hours to do the installation at $95/hr.
It has a new key switch panel and wire harness so that needs to be installed as
well and that area will need some modification as the new panel is a different
size than the old one. I’ll let you know what the bottom line
is when it’s done, if I can still afford the computer hookup!!!

\



Sward


s/v “Dream On”




Alan Kusinitz
<akusinitz@yahoo.com> wrote:




I have seen costs of yard
installation equaling the cost of the engine but
it varies widely. Of course if you do it yourself then you’ld be close! to
$7200.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:39 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Yanmar-battens-throttle

I got a price from a Yanmar dealer at the Maine Boatbuilders show last
month of about $7200 plus installation.
Good Luck.
TW

At 07:15 AM 4/13/2007 -0400, you wrote:

I am interested in what is the cost of re-powering. My 3GMF is running
powerfully and I have had no complaints. Given the age of the boat, and
that I am now (having quit my travel-consulting job in Europe)
able to go
sailing much more frequently, I may need to look at this in the future.

Any ideas?

Scott

Girlfriend
F-32 Hoyt

See what’s free at <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>AOL.com.

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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
I had thought that the labor cost was going to be the same as the cost of the engine but was told by the Yanmar dealer-Mastry (I think) in St. Petersburg that that was not the case. I will let you know hopefully by the end of the week. I’m planning on leaving here-Lake Worth/Palm Beach, Fl when the engine work is done, and traveling to St. Augustine to pick up my new sails that are being made since I had mine blown out offshore in February, then go to Annapolis for the summer. Sounds like that is where the sailors are!!! I have secured a slip and job at West Marine. I have worked for them for a couple of years and they are good about employing people that are cruising wherever they go. It’s been a good job for me. I don’t condone the prices of their products however. They do give the employees a good discount though. I dom’t make much
money, probably none after I spend it all there!!! “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote: Sward: I’ve never replaced an engine (thankfully), but the labor charges you have been quoted are far and way the lowest
I’ve ever seen. I’d get it locked in if I were you. It typically runs 2-3 times more than your estimate. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:45 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
Yanmar-battens-throttle The Yanmar itself is $7200.00, and I was told by the mechanic , that it would probably take between 15-18 hours to do the installation at $95/hr. It has a new key switch panel and wire harness so that needs to be installed as well and that area will need some modification as the new panel is a different size than the old one. I’ll let you know what the bottom line is when it’s done, if I can still afford the computer hookup!!! Sward s/v “Dream On” Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@yahoo.com> wrote: I have seen costs of yard installation equaling the cost of the engine butit varies widely.
Of course if you do it yourself then you’ld be close! to$7200.Alan-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas WalesSent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:39 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Yanmar-battens-throttleI got a price from a Yanmar dealer at the Maine Boatbuilders show last month of about $7200 plus installation.Good Luck.TWAt 07:15 AM 4/13/2007 -0400, you wrote:>I am interested in what is the cost of re-powering. My 3GMF is running >powerfully and I have had no complaints. Given the age of the boat, and >that I am now (having quit my travel-consulting
job in Europe) able to go >sailing much more frequently, I may need to look at this in the future.>>Any ideas?>>>Scott>>Girlfriend>F-32 Hoyt>>>>>---------->See what’s free at <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>AOL.com.>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 >7:58 PM IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe &
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Posted by Alan Putnam (aputnam1@…>)

When I replace the 3GM with the 3YM30 they quoted 40 hours - about the
same as another yard, but it ran somewhat longer than that and I put a
lot of time in it myself. Plumbing the new exhaust takes time,
figuring out how to mount the new engine controls also too some time.
The panel is a different shape than the old one. And as I said, in my
installation the oil pan came up against fiberglass pan. …then
there’s the alignment. We replaced the shaft seal because the old one
was shot.

I would be concerned about anyone who quoted less than 40 hours.
Installation wasn’t that tough and knowing what I know now, I would
tackle it myself - with the axception of the alignment, but the
necessary changes still add up.

Alan
Silver Spray
F-32 Hoyt

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, jsforgey@… wrote:

I am interested in what is the cost of re-powering. My 3GMF is
running
powerfully and I have had no complaints. Given the age of the
boat, and that I
am now (having quit my travel-consulting job in Europe) able to go
sailing
much more frequently, I may need to look at this in the future.

Any ideas?

Scott

Girlfriend
F-32 Hoyt

************************************** See what’s free at
http://www.aol.com.

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Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)


Thank you for the Manuals!!!

They are great and I will put them to good use. The perfect way to recycle.

Let me know where to send the $5

Scott
Girlfriend
F-32 HoytSee what’s free at AOL.com.

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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
My engine replacement to the 3YM30 is done. I’ve been going north 8 hours today, and it is great. 9 more horsepower. I left Palm Beach this morning about 9 and have reached Ft. Pierce tonight. I sailed for a little while, then motor sailed. I was making about 7-8 miles/hour. I will find out what the bill is tomorrow for the labor, but the mechanic said he thinks his hours were somewhere about 20 or so. I’ll let you know tomorrow night. Sward Alan Putnam <aputnam1@…> wrote: When I replace the 3GM with the 3YM30 they quoted 40 hours - about thesame as another yard, but it ran somewhat longer than that and I put alot of time in it myself. Plumbing the new exhaust takes time,figuring out how to mount the new engine controls also too some time.The panel is a different shape than the old one. And as I said, in myinstallation the oil pan came up against fiberglass pan. …thenthere’s the alignment. We replaced the shaft seal because the old onewas shot. I would be concerned about anyone who quoted less than 40 hours.Installation wasn’t that tough and knowing what I know now, I wouldtackle it myself - with the axception of the alignment, but thenecessary changes still add
up.AlanSilver SprayF-32 Hoyt— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, jsforgey@… wrote:>> I am interested in what is the cost of re-powering. My 3GMF is running > powerfully and I have had no complaints. Given the age of the boat, and that I > am now (having quit my travel-consulting job in Europe) able to gosailing > much more frequently, I may need to look at this in the future.> > Any ideas?> > > Scott> > Girlfriend> F-32 Hoyt> > > > ************************************** See what’s free athttp://www.aol.com.>