Yanmar Question

Posted by lioneldmp7 (doug.payne@…>)

Fellow Owners:
I am no diesel mechanic, but I am learning as I have my engine
serviced by a mechanic. Just had the primary fuel pump and secondary
fuel filters replaced on my Yanmar 2GM to hopefully rid of the last of
my minor fuel leaks. However, a mystery appeared. We were changing the
fresh water coolant and noticed a back oily substance in the system.
Couldn’t tell if it was fuel, or oil, the mechanic changed the fluid
filling twice with antifreeze and the back stuff is mostly gone, but
sure wonder what it was. Does the fresh water system come in contact
with the fuel system or block where oil would be present? How might
oil or fuel get into this system? The engine had been overheating just
recently which we traced to fine wood chips clogging the main seacock
for water intake to the engine, when this was cleared, the overheat
went away. Any ideas on this oily substance in the fresh water cooling
system?

Posted by john reed (john-reed@…>)

There is one place where the fuel/oil meets the water: in the head. If the head warped or cracked when overheating it could have blown the head head gasket. Since the pressure in the cylinder is considerably higher than in the water jacket, the fuel would be forced into the cooling system. This works for gas engines as well.

I’d have your mechanic run a pressure check on the cylinders and see if one of them is down. At the worse, it’s a new head.

J & K
Langsam

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of lioneldmp7Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:33 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Yanmar QuestionFellow Owners:I am no diesel mechanic, but I am learning as I have my engine serviced by a mechanic. Just had the primary fuel pump and secondary fuel filters replaced on my Yanmar 2GM to hopefully rid of the last of my minor fuel leaks. However, a mystery appeared. We were changing the fresh water coolant and noticed a back oily substance in the system. Couldn’t tell if it was fuel, or oil, the mechanic changed the fluid filling twice with antifreeze and the back stuff is mostly gone, but sure wonder what it was. Does the fresh water system come in contact with the fuel system or block where oil would be present? How might oil or fuel get into this system? The engine had been overheating just recently which we traced to fine wood chips clogging the main seacock for water intake to the engine, when this was cleared, the overheat went away. Any ideas on this oily substance in the fresh water cooling system?

Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)


Possible blown head gasket, cracked head, or block. Fuel/exaust gases can enter your cooling system any of these ways. Have your mech do a “leak-down” test. this is more accurate that a quick compression check especially when dealing with a small crack/break.
I say again, this is a possibility only.
PWMlioneldmp7 <doug.payne@…> wrote:
Fellow Owners:I am no diesel mechanic, but I am learning as I have my engine serviced by a mechanic. Just had the primary fuel pump and secondary fuel filters replaced on my Yanmar 2GM to hopefully rid of the last of my minor fuel leaks. However, a mystery appeared. We were changing the fresh water coolant and noticed a back oily substance in the system. Couldn’t tell if it was fuel, or oil, the mechanic changed the fluid filling twice with antifreeze and the back stuff is mostly gone, but sure wonder what it was. Does the fresh water system come in contact with the fuel system or block where oil would be present? How might oil or fuel get into this system? The engine had been overheating just recently which we traced to fine wood chips clogging the main seacock for water intake to the engine, when this was cleared, the overheat
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Posted by Doug Payne (doug.payne@…>)


Ok, from the two replies so far sounds
like you both suggest the black substance in the cooling water could be
fuel/exhaust from a blown head gasket, cracked head, or cracked block. The
overheat I experienced was very minor. I knew there were a lot of wood chips in
the water, lots of engines on other boats were getting clogged and overheating.
This happens every spring in our lake. I watched my temp guage regularly
knowing I could ingest some chips. When it over heated I caught it right away
and it only got up from normal operating temp of about 160 to 180, it would
only go to 180 when I ran over 2500 RPM’s. As soon as I hit 180 I would
idle down and it would cool right down. It was only at 180 for a few minutes. I
understand I don’t do damage till I get to over about 200 degrees. I can’t
imagine I did any serious harm with this incident. I cleaned out the chips when
I did the fuel pump and secondary fuel filter with the mechanic and it cooled
right down and no longer overheated. The line was only partially blocked. Can I
run the engine and use the boat before I get the mechanic out there again? It
is a big deal to get him out there. The lake is remote.

Douglas M. Payne
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Tatum Partners
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Yanmar Question




Possible blown head gasket, cracked head, or block.
Fuel/exaust gases can enter your cooling system any of these ways. Have your
mech do a “leak-down” test. this is more accurate that a quick
compression check especially when dealing with a small crack/break.


I say again, this is a possibility only.


PWM

lioneldmp7
<doug.payne@…> wrote:


Fellow
Owners:
I am no diesel mechanic, but I am learning as I
have my engine
serviced by a mechanic. Just had the primary fuel
pump and secondary
fuel filters replaced on my Yanmar 2GM to
hopefully rid of the last of
my minor fuel leaks. However, a mystery appeared.
We were changing the
fresh water coolant and noticed a back oily
substance in the system.
Couldn’t tell if it was fuel, or oil, the mechanic
changed the fluid
filling twice with antifreeze and the back stuff
is mostly gone, but
sure wonder what it was. Does the fresh water
system come in contact
with the fuel system or block where oil would be
present? How might
oil or fuel get into this system? The engine had
been overheating just
recently which we traced to fine wood chips
clogging the main seacock
for water intake to the engine, when this was
cleared, the overheat
went away. Any ideas on this oily substance in the
fresh water cooling
system?




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Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

One thing you should consider installing is a raw water filter. I have a Groco,installed just above the waterline,and it catches all the detritus except the dreaded plastic bags. Also,make sure your water intake lines are non-collapsible

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From: Doug Payne
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:01 AM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Yanmar Question


Ok, from the two replies so far sounds like you both suggest the black substance in the cooling water could be fuel/exhaust from a blown head gasket, cracked head, or cracked block. The overheat I experienced was very minor. I knew there were a lot of wood chips in the water, lots of engines on other boats were getting clogged and overheating. This happens every spring in our lake. I watched my temp guage regularly knowing I could ingest some chips. When it over heated I caught it right away and it only got up from normal operating temp of about 160 to 180, it would only go to 180 when I ran over 2500 RPM’s. As soon as I hit 180 I would idle down and it would cool right down. It was only at 180 for a few minutes. I understand I don’t do damage till I get to over about 200 degrees. I can’t imagine I did any serious harm with this incident. I cleaned out the chips when I did the fuel pump and secondary fuel filter with the mechanic and it cooled right down and no longer overheated. The line was only partially blocked. Can I run the engine and use the boat before I get the mechanic out there again? It is a big deal to get him out there. The lake is remote.

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
480-614-4915 Office
480-236-4561 Mobile
480-614-4916 Fax
doug.payne@…
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-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul McFaddenSent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:43 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Yanmar Question




Possible blown head gasket, cracked head, or block. Fuel/exaust gases can enter your cooling system any of these ways. Have your mech do a “leak-down” test. this is more accurate that a quick compression check especially when dealing with a small crack/break.

I say again, this is a possibility only.

PWMlioneldmp7 <doug.payne@…> wrote:

Fellow Owners:I am no diesel mechanic, but I am learning as I have my engine serviced by a mechanic. Just had the primary fuel pump and secondary fuel filters replaced on my Yanmar 2GM to hopefully rid of the last of my minor fuel leaks. However, a mystery appeared. We were changing the fresh water coolant and noticed a back oily substance in the system. Couldn’t tell if it was fuel, or oil, the mechanic changed the fluid filling twice with antifreeze and the back stuff is mostly gone, but sure wonder what it was. Does the fresh water system come in contact with the fuel system or block where oil would be present? How might oil or fuel get into this system? The engine had been overheating just recently which we traced to fine wood chips clogging the main seacock for water intake to the engine, when this was cleared, the overheat went away. Any ideas on this oily substance in the fresh water cooling system?
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Posted by Doug Payne (doug.payne@…>)


Jerome:
I do have a groco filter. The blockage was
on the onboard side of the thru hull main water intake, the chips never made it
to the filter. They got mashed on the inboard side of the valve. I dug them out
by removing the hose and digging out the top side of the valve. Again there was
water flow, it wasn’t totally blocked, but when removed I had a geyser as
I should.

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Tatum Partners
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9:28 AM
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Yanmar Question

One thing you should consider
installing is a raw water filter. I have a Groco,installed just above the
waterline,and it catches all the detritus except the dreaded plastic bags.
Also,make sure your water intake lines are non-collapsible



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August 09, 2005 1:01 AM


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[freedomyachts2003] Yanmar Question

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Ok, from the two replies
so far sounds like you both suggest the black substance in the cooling water
could be fuel/exhaust from a blown head gasket, cracked head, or cracked block.
The overheat I experienced was very minor. I knew there were a lot of wood
chips in the water, lots of engines on other boats were getting clogged and
overheating. This happens every spring in our lake. I watched my temp guage
regularly knowing I could ingest some chips. When it over heated I caught it
right away and it only got up from normal operating temp of about 160 to 180,
it would only go to 180 when I ran over 2500 RPM’s. As soon as I hit 180
I would idle down and it would cool right down. It was only at 180 for a few
minutes. I understand I don’t do damage till I get to over about 200 degrees.
I can’t imagine I did any serious harm with this incident. I cleaned out
the chips when I did the fuel pump and secondary fuel filter with the mechanic
and it cooled right down and no longer overheated. The line was only partially
blocked. Can I run the engine and use the boat before I get the mechanic out
there again? It is a big deal to get him out there. The lake is remote.

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona
Colorado
Tatum Partners
480-614-4915 Office
480-236-4561 Mobile
480-614-4916 Fax
doug.payne@…
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From:
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:43
PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Yanmar Question




Possible blown head gasket, cracked head, or block.
Fuel/exaust gases can enter your cooling system any of these ways. Have your
mech do a “leak-down” test. this is more accurate that a quick
compression check especially when dealing with a small crack/break.


I say again, this is a possibility only.


PWM

lioneldmp7
<doug.payne@…> wrote:


Fellow
Owners:
I am no diesel mechanic, but I am learning as I
have my engine
serviced by a mechanic. Just had the primary fuel
pump and secondary
fuel filters replaced on my Yanmar 2GM to
hopefully rid of the last of
my minor fuel leaks. However, a mystery appeared.
We were changing the
fresh water coolant and noticed a back oily
substance in the system.
Couldn’t tell if it was fuel, or oil, the mechanic
changed the fluid
filling twice with antifreeze and the back stuff
is mostly gone, but
sure wonder what it was. Does the fresh water
system come in contact
with the fuel system or block where oil would be
present? How might
oil or fuel get into this system? The engine had
been overheating just
recently which we traced to fine wood chips
clogging the main seacock
for water intake to the engine, when this was
cleared, the overheat
went away. Any ideas on this oily substance in the
fresh water cooling
system?


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Posted by raq2356 (raq2356@…>)

There may be a far simpler answer to your problem. I recently noted
strands of a black oily substance floating on the surface of my coolant
reservoir and heat exchanger antifreeze, at the same time I noticed
that the overflow reservoir was no longer maintaining a vacuum (and
therefore coolant would not return back to the engine when cool). The
sustance was deteriorated rubber from the seal under the reservoir cap
and the rubber hose that extends down into the reservoir from the cap.
Flushed it, installed a new reservoir and hose from Oldport Marine, and
the problem has not recurred.
1987 F30
Luna Blu