Freedom 27 (?) - Any view, reviews, info

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Posted by markmyatt (mark@…>)

I have just looked at a Freedom 27. Its just over 28.5 feet LOA, GRP
hull, a single unstayed alloy mast stepped well forward, a shaped
“wing” main, a small self tacking jib, and a wing keel. Having owned
and sailed junk rigged boats (unstayed), an aero-rigged trimaran,
and a lug-rigged dayboat of my own construction, I am not daunted by
the unconventional (i.e. not a sloop and unstayed masts which people
really wince at) rig and, since the boat appears to be in decent
condition at a reasonable price, I am seriously considering buying
this boat. I have done a web search and find very little on the
Freedom 27. Perhaps this boat has been wrongly identified by the
broker.

My plans for this boat would be about two years coastal around SW
England (including Channel crossings to the Channel Isles, shortish
passages to Scilly Isles and Southern Ireland). After that we might
try a “milk-run” passage to the Americas. Most sailing will be
short-handed (i.e. only two on board). My wife is interested in
doing a single-handed passage to the Canaries or Azores from SW
England. We are not particularly fair-weather sailors and enjoy
sailing in a good blow. My wife has lost her left leg at the hip
(run over by a truck in 1995) but has continued sailing and done
some ocean work skippering a Tahiti Ketch since her accident.
Short-handed work requires a simple rig (easy reefing essential)
with a minimum of foredeck work and the ability to be able to do
most things from the cockpit.

Anyway … I would be very interested in any information on this
model and of hearing any experiences (both good and bad) and any
gotchas. Looking at the sort of sailing that we intend, and the
“special needs” of my wife, any views on the suitability of this
boat?

Best wishes,

Mark

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Mark:

I don’t believe that the Freedom 27 is related to the rest of the US Freedom. Certainly the UK F27 has not been sold in the US. Perhaps our members in the UK can help you out.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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I have just looked at a Freedom 27. Its just over 28.5 feet LOA, GRP hull, a single unstayed alloy mast stepped well forward, a shaped “wing” main, a small self tacking jib, and a wing keel. Having owned and sailed junk rigged boats (unstayed), an aero-rigged trimaran, and a lug-rigged dayboat of my own construction, I am not daunted by the unconventional (i.e. not a sloop and unstayed masts which people really wince at) rig and, since the boat appears to be in decent condition at a reasonable price, I am seriously considering buying this boat. I have done a web search and find very little on the Freedom 27. Perhaps this boat has been wrongly identified by the broker. My plans for this boat would be about two years coastal around SW England (including Channel crossings to the Channel Isles, shortish passages to Scilly Isles and Southern Ireland). After that we might try a “milk-run” passage to the Americas. Most sailing will be short-handed (i.e. only two on board). My wife is interested in doing a single-handed passage to the Canaries or Azores from SW England. We are not particularly fair-weather sailors and enjoy sailing in a good blow. My wife has lost her left leg at the hip (run over by a truck in 1995) but has continued sailing and done some ocean work skippering a Tahiti Ketch since her accident. Short-handed work requires a simple rig (easy reefing essential) with a minimum of foredeck work and the ability to be able to do most things from the cockpit. Anyway … I would be very interested in any information on this model and of hearing any experiences (both good and bad) and any gotchas. Looking at the sort of sailing that we intend, and the “special needs” of my wife, any views on the suitability of this boat? Best wishes, Mark

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Posted by James Driebeek (jim3bk@…>)

On yachtworld.com there is a Swiss F-28 for sale. Looks like it was
converted into a motorsailor. It comes with a trailer. — In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “markmyatt” <mark@…> wrote:

I have just looked at a Freedom 27. Its just over 28.5 feet LOA,
GRP
hull, a single unstayed alloy mast stepped well forward, a shaped
“wing” main, a small self tacking jib, and a wing keel. Having
owned
and sailed junk rigged boats (unstayed), an aero-rigged trimaran,
and a lug-rigged dayboat of my own construction, I am not daunted
by
the unconventional (i.e. not a sloop and unstayed masts which
people
really wince at) rig and, since the boat appears to be in decent
condition at a reasonable price, I am seriously considering buying
this boat. I have done a web search and find very little on the
Freedom 27. Perhaps this boat has been wrongly identified by the
broker.

My plans for this boat would be about two years coastal around SW
England (including Channel crossings to the Channel Isles, shortish
passages to Scilly Isles and Southern Ireland). After that we might
try a “milk-run” passage to the Americas. Most sailing will be
short-handed (i.e. only two on board). My wife is interested in
doing a single-handed passage to the Canaries or Azores from SW
England. We are not particularly fair-weather sailors and enjoy
sailing in a good blow. My wife has lost her left leg at the hip
(run over by a truck in 1995) but has continued sailing and done
some ocean work skippering a Tahiti Ketch since her accident.
Short-handed work requires a simple rig (easy reefing essential)
with a minimum of foredeck work and the ability to be able to do
most things from the cockpit.

Anyway … I would be very interested in any information on this
model and of hearing any experiences (both good and bad) and any
gotchas. Looking at the sort of sailing that we intend, and the
“special needs” of my wife, any views on the suitability of this
boat?

Best wishes,

Mark

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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

Mark,
The initial (1986 version) of the American Mull-designed
“Freedom 28” was designated as a Freedom 27 on the sailplan blueprint
I have for my boat. However, the 1987 Mull Freedom 28 I own has: a
freestanding carbon fiber mast, unique self-tacking (“Camber-Spar”)
jib, a fin keel (draft-claimed 4’6", draft actual 4’10"), and the
optional “gun-mount” spinnaker rig.
The British version of this boat may be the Mull design with a wing
keel, which is 27’6" including the stainless steel anchor roller
bracket. I hope this helps.
Herm

At 05:53 AM 5/3/2007, markmyatt wrote:

I have just looked at a Freedom 27. Its just over 28.5 feet LOA, GRP
hull, a single unstayed alloy mast stepped well forward, a shaped
“wing” main, a small self tacking jib, and a wing keel. Having owned
and sailed junk rigged boats (unstayed), an aero-rigged trimaran,
and a lug-rigged dayboat of my own construction, I am not daunted by
the unconventional (i.e. not a sloop and unstayed masts which people
really wince at) rig and, since the boat appears to be in decent
condition at a reasonable price, I am seriously considering buying
this boat. I have done a web search and find very little on the
Freedom 27. Perhaps this boat has been wrongly identified by the
broker.

My plans for this boat would be about two years coastal around SW
England (including Channel crossings to the Channel Isles, shortish
passages to Scilly Isles and Southern Ireland). After that we might
try a “milk-run” passage to the Americas. Most sailing will be
short-handed (i.e. only two on board). My wife is interested in
doing a single-handed passage to the Canaries or Azores from SW
England. We are not particularly fair-weather sailors and enjoy
sailing in a good blow. My wife has lost her left leg at the hip
(run over by a truck in 1995) but has continued sailing and done
some ocean work skippering a Tahiti Ketch since her accident.
Short-handed work requires a simple rig (easy reefing essential)
with a minimum of foredeck work and the ability to be able to do
most things from the cockpit.

Anyway … I would be very interested in any information on this
model and of hearing any experiences (both good and bad) and any
gotchas. Looking at the sort of sailing that we intend, and the
“special needs” of my wife, any views on the suitability of this
boat?

Best wishes,

Mark

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Posted by markmyatt (mark@…>)

Al,

You write:

I don’t believe that the Freedom 27 is related to the rest of
the US Freedom. Certainly the UK F27 has not been sold in the
US. Perhaps our members in the UK can help you out.

It is an odd one. I did find a reference to the Mull designed F28
which said that it is sometimes called the F27. This is an odd UK
thing, I think. My brother-in-law just bought a Sweden Yachts 27
which, he says, is just over 28 feet. I think it is just a “size
point” so people looking at (e.g.) a Hunter 27 can easily find
comparable (in size at least) boats.

In the UK, many leasure marinas charge by the foot rather than the
registered net tonnage (many boat-owners don’t bother with the full
registration and have no registered net tonnage). Saying is a “27”
might save a couple of hundred dollars a seasons.

Best wishes,

Mark

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Posted by markmyatt (mark@…>)

Herm,

You write:

The initial (1986 version) of the American Mull-designed
“Freedom 28” was designated as a Freedom 27 on the sailplan
blueprint

That must explain it. This one has a first owner registration of
1990.

I have for my boat. However, the 1987 Mull Freedom 28 I own has: a
freestanding carbon fiber mast, unique self-tacking
(“Camber-Spar”) jib

The mast is, I think, a Needlespar tapered alloy mast still
freestanding. It does have the camber-spar jib.

The mast is likely a replacement. I’m not sure the relative weight
of the aluminium vs the carbon mast but it should not need much
added balance to stiffen her back up.

, a fin keel (draft-claimed 4’6", draft actual 4’10"), and the
optional “gun-mount” spinnaker rig.

There is spinnaker gear but I always find them a terrible fuss so
did not pay much attention to that.

The British version of this boat may be the Mull design with a
wing keel, which is 27’6" including the stainless steel anchor
roller bracket. I hope this helps.

I am most intrigued by this boat. I am not a lover of the Bermudan /
Marconi rig and have tended to simpler to handle rigs with better
off-wind performance (I’m not one for racing round the buoys). I
also don’t like the stresses of standing rigging having seen a
dismast due to rigging failure which almost turned very bad with the
mast dragging on one set of stays and thumping on the hull several
times before the bolt-cutters were found. My inclination has been to
curse the sloop and go for junks, lugs, aeros. Looks like Gary Mull
decided that he could fix the sloop rig. If I don’t like the rig I
can always rig her as a junk (Chinese lug) because the mast is
unstayed and in a good forward position. I have put in an offer
subject to survey. Hope to be sailing my own boat again in a few
weeks.

Best wishes,

Mark

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Mark:

The Freedom 27 listed for sale in the UK on Yachtworld, http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&ybw=&slim=quick&sm=3&is=&type=&man=freedom&luom=126&fromLength=27&toLength=27&fromYear=&toYear=&currencyid=100&fromPrice=&toPrice=&cint=, looks nothing like the US boats. It is certainly not a Mull 28. I don’t know what it is.

Al

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Al, You write: > I don’t believe that the Freedom 27 is related to the rest of > the US Freedom. Certainly the UK F27 has not been sold in the > US. Perhaps our members in the UK can help you out. It is an odd one. I did find a reference to the Mull designed F28 which said that it is sometimes called the F27. This is an odd UK thing, I think. My brother-in-law just bought a Sweden Yachts 27 which, he says, is just over 28 feet. I think it is just a “size point” so people looking at (e.g.) a Hunter 27 can easily find comparable (in size at least) boats. In the UK, many leasure marinas charge by the foot rather than the registered net tonnage (many boat-owners don’t bother with the full registration and have no registered net tonnage). Saying is a “27” might save a couple of hundred dollars a seasons. Best wishes, Mark

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Posted by markmyatt (mark@…>)

Al,

You write:

The Freedom 27 listed for sale in the UK on Yachtworld,

[snip]

Thats the one I am interested in.

looks nothing like the US boats. It is certainly not a Mull 28.
I don’t know what it is.

You and me both!

It looks very much like a Freedom inside … I recognise many of the
fittings and the clever sliding and foldings away bits from other
Freedom boats.

I’m a little confused. Will try and check further.

Best wishes,

Mark

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Do keep us informed.

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of markmyattSent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:00 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Freedom 27 (?) - Any view, reviews, info

Al, You write: > The Freedom 27 listed for sale in the UK on Yachtworld, [snip] Thats the one I am interested in. > looks nothing like the US boats. It is certainly not a Mull 28. > I don’t know what it is. You and me both! It looks very much like a Freedom inside … I recognise many of the fittings and the clever sliding and foldings away bits from other Freedom boats. I’m a little confused. Will try and check further. Best wishes, Mark

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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

Mark,
It’s possible that the hull molding is that of the
Mull-designed Freedom 28, but the deck-cabin molding is not. In
addition, the mast is way forward of that on the Mull 28. I have to
agree with Al that its identity/ancestry is a big question-mark.
Herm

At 10:11 AM 5/4/2007, Lorman, Alvin J. wrote:

Mark:

The Freedom 27 listed for sale in the UK on Yachtworld,
<http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&ybw=&s\
lim=quick&sm=3&is=&type=&man=freedom&luom=126&fromLength=27&toLength=27&fromYear
=&toYear=&currencyid=100&fromPrice=&toPrice=&cint>http://www.yachtworld.com/core\
/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&ybw=&slim=quick&sm=3&is=&type=&man=fre
edom&luom=126&fromLength=27&toLength=27&fromYear=&toYear=&currencyid=100&fromPri
ce=&toPrice=&cint=,
looks nothing like the US boats. It is certainly not a Mull 28. I
don’t know what it is.

Al

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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:55 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Freedom 27 (?) - Any view, reviews, info

Al,

You write:

I don’t believe that the Freedom 27 is related to the rest of
the US Freedom. Certainly the UK F27 has not been sold in the
US. Perhaps our members in the UK can help you out.

It is an odd one. I did find a reference to the Mull designed F28
which said that it is sometimes called the F27. This is an odd UK
thing, I think. My brother-in-law just bought a Sweden Yachts 27
which, he says, is just over 28 feet. I think it is just a “size
point” so people looking at (e.g.) a Hunter 27 can easily find
comparable (in size at least) boats.

In the UK, many leasure marinas charge by the foot rather than the
registered net tonnage (many boat-owners don’t bother with the full
registration and have no registered net tonnage). Saying is a “27”
might save a couple of hundred dollars a seasons.

Best wishes,

Mark

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Posted by ABC (oldbrochan@…>)

Herm,

I agree with your comments.

Perhaps this goes part of the way to explaining why
this particular boat has been “For Sale”, via a
multitude of brokers/agents, almost continuously since
the late 90’s.

Something isn’t right and the buying public know it.

Dave


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Posted by markmyatt (mark@…>)

Dave / Herm,

Dave wrote:

Herm,

I agree with your comments.

Perhaps this goes part of the way to explaining why
this particular boat has been “For Sale”, via a
multitude of brokers/agents, almost continuously since
the late 90’s.

Something isn’t right and the buying public know it.

Thanks for this. I have had no luck finding informative references
to the Freedom 27. It is all very odd. I had thought that the boat
had been for sale for some time because UK sailors are a very
conservative bunch. Most of the time you see something a little odd
it is most often an old (often gorgeous) boat very well restored to
original specification or, like the Cornish Shrimper, a sort of
faux-traditionalism.

This has all been very helpful. I have signed nothing yet and will
proceed with caution.

Thanks,

Mark

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Posted by leighjotom (talexand@…>)

I do have a complete Freedom line brochure from app 1986 that shows
what was finaly relased as the Mull 28 called the Freeodm 27. As a
Mull 28 owner, I find that little bit of marketing history
interesting. My guess is that he boat was too expensive to compete
as a “27”!

Tom Alexander

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, ABC <oldbrochan@…> wrote:

Herm,

I agree with your comments.

Perhaps this goes part of the way to explaining why
this particular boat has been “For Sale”, via a
multitude of brokers/agents, almost continuously since
the late 90’s.

Something isn’t right and the buying public know it.

Dave

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Tom:

Would it be possible for you to scan that brochure and post it in the Files section of this site? If you don’t have access to a scanner, I could do it if you shared a photocopy.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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I do have a complete Freedom line brochure from app 1986 that shows what was finaly relased as the Mull 28 called the Freeodm 27. As a Mull 28 owner, I find that little bit of marketing history interesting. My guess is that he boat was too expensive to compete as a “27”!Tom Alexander— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, ABC <oldbrochan@…> wrote:>> Herm,> > I agree with your comments.> > Perhaps this goes part of the way to explaining why> this particular boat has been “For Sale”, via a> multitude of brokers/agents, almost continuously since> the late 90’s.> > Something isn’t right and the buying public know it.> > Dave> > > > __________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail is the world’s favourite email. Don’t settle for less, sign up for> your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html>

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Posted by markmyatt (mark@…>)

Tom,

You write:

I do have a complete Freedom line brochure from app 1986 that
shows what was finaly relased as the Mull 28 called the Freeodm
27. As a Mull 28 owner, I find that little bit of marketing
history interesting. My guess is that he boat was too expensive
to compete as a “27”!

I have spent some time investigating this but with little to show
for it. I found something like you have above. I also found that
Mauch’s Boat Review lists a Freedom 27 but they publish to brokers
(in the main) and have no on-line database. Mystic Seaport lists (in
their plans):

Freedom 27 auxiliary sloop Designer, Freedom Yachts
International, Ltd.; Design number unknown; Builder,
Freedom Yachts International, Ltd.; Date made unknown

As a Henry A Scheel (Harry Scheel of the “Scheel Keel”) design but
has nothing but the above information. This boat (1990 for hull
number 003) is quite a late design for Scheel (he died in 1993,
still designing).

I have asked the broker to look in Mauch’s and to ask the vendor for
the manual to confirm this as a real Freedom. Will let you know what
I find out.

Best wishes,

Mark

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Posted by leighjotom (talexand@…>)

Good idea, Al. I do have a scanner and I’ll see what I can do.

Tom

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<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Tom:

Would it be possible for you to scan that brochure and post it in
the
Files section of this site? If you don’t have access to a scanner,
I
could do it if you shared a photocopy.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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info

I do have a complete Freedom line brochure from app 1986 that shows
what was finaly relased as the Mull 28 called the Freeodm 27. As a
Mull 28 owner, I find that little bit of marketing history
interesting. My guess is that he boat was too expensive to compete
as a “27”!

Tom Alexander

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , ABC <oldbrochan@>
wrote:

Herm,

I agree with your comments.

Perhaps this goes part of the way to explaining why
this particular boat has been “For Sale”, via a
multitude of brokers/agents, almost continuously since
the late 90’s.

Something isn’t right and the buying public know it.

Dave

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Posted by Medium Al (hjulbyhavn@…>)

That has to be a stretched and raised F25. The F21 and F25 are a bit
short on boyance in the hind quarters - The 21 waterline is almost at
the transom and I think the 25 is similar. With four people in the
cockpit is is tail heavy. Add a sugescoop and you get some lift and
since the F25 is already 25’8" you easily get to 27’. Look at the
cockpitsole outline on the drawing on yachtworld:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/displayPhoto.jsp?
&photo=2&boat_id=1370333&ybw=&boatname=27%
27+Freedom+27&photo_revised_date=1178283333000&photo_name=Picture+%232
it shows a telltale sign of an embedded F25 cockpit mold.

The house on the boat has an ugly seam 6 inches from the deck mold. It
looks like the basically took a chainsaw to the Hoyt house and added
the extra headroom with a taller dog house.

Now it might still be a good boat. The extra waterline can only help
and the windage might not be a big deal because the deck is faily low
to begin with. Standing headroom in a lightweight boat is a streatch
but it could work.

The F28 is a “clean sheet” Mull design where the settes are only
emergency bunks. One person sleep with their feet in the wetlocker the
other with their feet on/under the chart table or whatever it is. That
gets you sleeping for 3 pretty tall people and two kids.

I can post an F28 Specsheet with line drawings and an F25 brochure
later in the week.

18

Posted by Medium Al (hjulbyhavn@…>)

The US Mull 28 specs are (about 1986):

LOA 27’5"
LOA with anchor roller 28’6"
LWL 23’4"
Beam 10.3
Headroom 6’0"

19

Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

I went to Yachtworld and did a search on Freedom 27 (your message’s
URL didn’t lead me to the boat you described. However, there is a
rather nice “Freedom 27” named Evergreen also available. It does have
many Freedom 25 characteristics, but with a rather nice looking and
larger doghouse. It may be that some Freedom-affiliated boatbuilder
created these custom versions, some of which are quite ugly and
others wholesome. Herm

At 01:15 AM 5/7/2007, Medium Al wrote:

That has to be a stretched and raised F25. The F21 and F25 are a bit
short on boyance in the hind quarters - The 21 waterline is almost at
the transom and I think the 25 is similar. With four people in the
cockpit is is tail heavy. Add a sugescoop and you get some lift and
since the F25 is already 25’8" you easily get to 27’. Look at the
cockpitsole outline on the drawing on yachtworld:
<http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/displayPhoto.jsp?>http://www.yachtworld
.com/core/listing/displayPhoto.jsp?
&photo=2&boat_id=1370333&ybw=&boatname=27%
27+Freedom+27&photo_revised_date=1178283333000&photo_name=Picture+%232
it shows a telltale sign of an embedded F25 cockpit mold.

The house on the boat has an ugly seam 6 inches from the deck mold. It
looks like the basically took a chainsaw to the Hoyt house and added
the extra headroom with a taller dog house.

Now it might still be a good boat. The extra waterline can only help
and the windage might not be a big deal because the deck is faily low
to begin with. Standing headroom in a lightweight boat is a streatch
but it could work.

The F28 is a “clean sheet” Mull design where the settes are only
emergency bunks. One person sleep with their feet in the wetlocker the
other with their feet on/under the chart table or whatever it is. That
gets you sleeping for 3 pretty tall people and two kids.

I can post an F28 Specsheet with line drawings and an F25 brochure
later in the week.

20

Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

Just to drive the Freedom archeologists further crazy, There was a
Freedom 29 that had a cockpit molding that closely resembles that of
the F-25. It also had the same high, very comfortable F-25 seatbacks,
and outboard rudder with tiller. I don’t know how many of these were
built, but 'twas a nice looking boat. Herm

At 01:15 AM 5/7/2007, Medium Al wrote:

That has to be a stretched and raised F25. The F21 and F25 are a bit
short on boyance in the hind quarters - The 21 waterline is almost at
the transom and I think the 25 is similar. With four people in the
cockpit is is tail heavy. Add a sugescoop and you get some lift and
since the F25 is already 25’8" you easily get to 27’. Look at the
cockpitsole outline on the drawing on yachtworld:
<http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/displayPhoto.jsp?>http://www.yachtworld
.com/core/listing/displayPhoto.jsp?
&photo=2&boat_id=1370333&ybw=&boatname=27%
27+Freedom+27&photo_revised_date=1178283333000&photo_name=Picture+%232
it shows a telltale sign of an embedded F25 cockpit mold.

The house on the boat has an ugly seam 6 inches from the deck mold. It
looks like the basically took a chainsaw to the Hoyt house and added
the extra headroom with a taller dog house.

Now it might still be a good boat. The extra waterline can only help
and the windage might not be a big deal because the deck is faily low
to begin with. Standing headroom in a lightweight boat is a streatch
but it could work.

The F28 is a “clean sheet” Mull design where the settes are only
emergency bunks. One person sleep with their feet in the wetlocker the
other with their feet on/under the chart table or whatever it is. That
gets you sleeping for 3 pretty tall people and two kids.

I can post an F28 Specsheet with line drawings and an F25 brochure
later in the week.