Haarstick

[Bob_Broder]

Posted by Bob Broder (RABroder@…>)

I would concurr… Have had excellent service from Haarstick… When I
first got Daiquiri, I needed a sail cover, and the made one for me
from original Freedom patterns… collar, lazy jack slots et al.
On another , related topic: does anyone kknow if there is a simple,
decal like method to put the Freedom Star on my mainsail? apparently,
the PO missed it… and the sail looks “nekkid” without it!
Bob- Daiquiri II, Cape Cod

[Dave_Benjamin]

Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

I’ve always heard good things about Haarstick from Freedom owners. The
previous owner of our 39 bought from North and since the sails were in
great shape we never changed anything. The on thing I didn’t like about
the North sails is I felt they could have been built with more roach.
The boat was/is a powerhouse so I can’t complain too much. I think
Haarstick understands the characteristics of the Freedom spars pretty
well. So even though I’m in the sail business myself the Haarstick
sails seem like a good choice.

[Thomas_Wales]

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Haarstick can build a great Freedom sail, but you’ll pay a premium price
for it. What I plan on doing is bringing the old main to my local
sailmaker and have him make an exact duplicate, with the extra
roach. Plus, I can use my battens which are in fine shape. This way I’ll
save $1000 over a Haarstick sail. Just a suggestion…
TW
F32 Anoush Koon





At 11:22 PM 4/26/2006 +0000, you wrote:

I’ve always heard good things about Haarstick from Freedom owners. The
previous owner of our 39 bought from North and since the sails were in
great shape we never changed anything. The on thing I didn’t like about
the North sails is I felt they could have been built with more roach.
The boat was/is a powerhouse so I can’t complain too much. I think
Haarstick understands the characteristics of the Freedom spars pretty
well. So even though I’m in the sail business myself the Haarstick
sails seem like a good choice.

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[Lorman_Alvin_J]

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

FWIW, have you considered that what your local sailmaker may be making is an exact copy of a stretched-out main? And if he tries to take into account stretch, it will no longer be an exact duplicate?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas WalesSent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:00 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: HaarstickHaarstick can build a great Freedom sail, but you’ll pay a premium price for it. What I plan on doing is bringing the old main to my local sailmaker and have him make an exact duplicate, with the extra roach. Plus, I can use my battens which are in fine shape. This way I’ll save $1000 over a Haarstick sail. Just a suggestion…TWF32 Anoush KoonAt 11:22 PM 4/26/2006 +0000, you wrote:>I’ve always heard good things about Haarstick from Freedom owners. The>previous owner of our 39 bought from North and since the sails were in>great shape we never changed anything. The on thing I didn’t like about>the North sails is I felt they could have been built with more roach.>The boat was/is a powerhouse so I can’t complain too much. I think>Haarstick understands the characteristics of the Freedom spars pretty>well. So even though I’m in the sail business myself the Haarstick>sails seem like a good choice.>>>>>>SPONSORED LINKS><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+schools&w1=Sailing+schools&w2=Sailing+instruction&w3=Sailing+lesson&w4=Sailing+course&w5=Sailing+adventure&w6=Sailing&c=6&s=122&.sig=nM_33Bwh2_UhuqSYWZR8Xw>Sailing >schools ><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+instruction&w1=Sailing+schools&w2=Sailing+instruction&w3=Sailing+lesson&w4=Sailing+course&w5=Sailing+adventure&w6=Sailing&c=6&s=122&.sig=PLKTippWs7H3hJMQiiV1Dg>Sailing >instruction ><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+lesson&w1=Sailing+schools&w2=Sailing+instruction&w3=Sailing+lesson&w4=Sailing+course&w5=Sailing+adventure&w6=Sailing&c=6&s=122&.sig=BW-ssa-AtK1bKwgxZtYhsg>Sailing >lesson><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+course&w1=Sailing+schools&w2=Sailing+instruction&w3=Sailing+lesson&w4=Sailing+course&w5=Sailing+adventure&w6=Sailing&c=6&s=122&.sig=iJziK8qHrpaIJG_Q19twrg>Sailing >course ><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing+adventure&w1=Sailing+schools&w2=Sailing+instruction&w3=Sailing+lesson&w4=Sailing+course&w5=Sailing+adventure&w6=Sailing&c=6&s=122&.sig=luRjwGYgtoRAVO_RIh446A>Sailing >adventure ><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sailing&w1=Sailing+schools&w2=Sailing+instruction&w3=Sailing+lesson&w4=Sailing+course&w5=Sailing+adventure&w6=Sailing&c=6&s=122&.sig=H5HiiLFUXHyIpCEv0TmINg>Sailing >>>>---------->YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS>> * Visit your group > “<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomyachts2003>freedomyachts2003” on > the web.> *> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> * > <mailto:freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> *> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service.>>>---------->>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.>Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.0/325 - Release Date: 4/26/2006-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.0/325 - Release Date: 4/26/2006IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

[Thomas_Wales]

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

The local guy does excellent work. I trust that I would not end up with a
stretched out sail. The reason for bringing the sail in to him is to
duplicate the amount of roach.
TW



At 09:57 AM 4/27/2006 -0400, you wrote:

FWIW, have you considered that what your local sailmaker may be making is
an exact copy of a stretched-out main? And if he tries to take into
account stretch, it will no longer be an exact duplicate?

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Haarstick

Haarstick can build a great Freedom sail, but you’ll pay a premium price
for it. What I plan on doing is bringing the old main to my local
sailmaker and have him make an exact duplicate, with the extra
roach. Plus, I can use my battens which are in fine shape. This way I’ll
save $1000 over a Haarstick sail. Just a suggestion…
TW
F32 Anoush Koon

At 11:22 PM 4/26/2006 +0000, you wrote:

I’ve always heard good things about Haarstick from Freedom owners. The
previous owner of our 39 bought from North and since the sails were in
great shape we never changed anything. The on thing I didn’t like about
the North sails is I felt they could have been built with more roach.
The boat was/is a powerhouse so I can’t complain too much. I think
Haarstick understands the characteristics of the Freedom spars pretty
well. So even though I’m in the sail business myself the Haarstick
sails seem like a good choice.

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[Dave_Benjamin]

Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

The big question is how well does your local sailmaker understand
Freedom masts? Building sails for Freedoms is a lot different than
building sails for conventionally stayed rigs. Think about it. What’s
one of the objectives of standing rigging? Keeping the mast in
column, right? Controlling bend? Adding pre-bend? In any case CF
spars are designed to depower the sail in a puff. That’s a far cry
from conventional rigs.

Looking at the old sail is helpful but it’s still an old stretched
sail. Tack pin setback, luff hardware, foot hardware, reef point
location, and many other items can be determined from looking at the
old sail. It’s not a good plan to copy it verbatim though.

If you’re really looking to save some money we’re a dealer for Rolly
Tasker. The loft has built sails for many freestanding rigs.

If your local guy has little experience with Freedom sails you’re
going to eb the guinea pig. You might want to try for more than just
a $1000 difference between Haarstick and him.


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Wales <twales@…>
wrote:

Haarstick can build a great Freedom sail, but you’ll pay a premium
price
for it. What I plan on doing is bringing the old main to my local
sailmaker and have him make an exact duplicate, with the extra
roach. Plus, I can use my battens which are in fine shape. This
way I’ll
save $1000 over a Haarstick sail. Just a suggestion…
TW
F32 Anoush Koon

At 11:22 PM 4/26/2006 +0000, you wrote:

I’ve always heard good things about Haarstick from Freedom owners.
The
previous owner of our 39 bought from North and since the sails
were in
great shape we never changed anything. The on thing I didn’t like
about
the North sails is I felt they could have been built with more
roach.
The boat was/is a powerhouse so I can’t complain too much. I think
Haarstick understands the characteristics of the Freedom spars
pretty
well. So even though I’m in the sail business myself the Haarstick
sails seem like a good choice.

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

FWIW, I though that Haarstick’s quote when I ordered my main was not
exactly a ‘premium,’ but pretty competitive with any other major
sailmaker, and less than some (like LidGaard). What you’re paying for
is a company that has most of the original sail blueprints for most of
the Freedom Line from 1977 on. They also helped design many of the
sails for Cat-Ketch conversions from wishbones to booms. Another thing
is that they do quite a bit of fabric testing as well.

I am by no means saying that another loft can’t do a good job on a
free-standing mast’s sails, but it is worth asking any sail maker
how much experience they have building those kinds of sails. When you
factor in how long you’re liable to keep using the same sail (7 - 9
years at least for most of us cruisers), an extra $1000 is only ~$140
dollars extra per year. you spend more on bottom paint.

Just my 2 cts.

Lance
Bright Star

[Dave_Benjamin]

Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

I don’t know a lot about Haarstick but I am familiar with the
sailmaking part of the industry. When you buy a sail from a major
chain loft like North, UK, Sobstad, Quantum, or any other you are
subsidizing many things that may not benefit you directly. For
example North hires many great pro sailors and racers. They invest a
ton of money in refining sail designs for competetive one design
classes like the J-105. Your local North loft pays franchise fees
that ultimately get used for things like shiny full page ads in Sail
magazine. While many wonderful developments for cruising sailors
have been derived from racing you have to think about where your
money is going. Prime marina real estate isn’t cheap. A lot of money
spent at the major brand name lofts is not going to cloth suppliers
and sailmakers.

Lance raises a good point about considering your sail cost on a
yearly basis. Some would break it down on a per mile basis. You have
to give Haarstick a good long look because they have invested money
in developing sails for Freedoms like the boat you own and sail. If
I was using a domestic loft I’d be inclined to favor Haarstick.
Personally any sails I order come from Rolly Tasker since that’s who
we use for the business. For the most part we know the money is
going for good cloth, solid design, and excellent assembly.

So I guess what I’m saying is if you’re ordering “domestic sails”
give Haarstick some thought.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@…> wrote:

FWIW, I though that Haarstick’s quote when I ordered my main was
not
exactly a ‘premium,’ but pretty competitive with any other major
sailmaker, and less than some (like LidGaard). What you’re paying
for
is a company that has most of the original sail blueprints for
most of
the Freedom Line from 1977 on. They also helped design many of the
sails for Cat-Ketch conversions from wishbones to booms. Another
thing
is that they do quite a bit of fabric testing as well.

I am by no means saying that another loft can’t do a good job on a
free-standing mast’s sails, but it is worth asking any sail
maker
how much experience they have building those kinds of sails. When
you
factor in how long you’re liable to keep using the same sail (7 -
9
years at least for most of us cruisers), an extra $1000 is only
~$140
dollars extra per year. you spend more on bottom paint.

Just my 2 cts.

Lance
Bright Star

[Dave_Benjamin]

Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Just browsed the Haarstick website. Their mains look pretty damn good.
I like their canted panel 6 batten main for the F-25. From the pics
they look like they are building sails with more roach and better
support for the roach than what I’ve seen from North and UK. These are
just impressions from the photos. Hard to really judge without seeing
the boat or better pics.

[Thomas_Wales]

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

To Steve H:
Looks like I mobilized your fan club. Maybe you could discount my
new sail…
TW



At 04:11 AM 4/28/2006 +0000, you wrote:

Just browsed the Haarstick website. Their mains look pretty damn good.
I like their canted panel 6 batten main for the F-25. From the pics
they look like they are building sails with more roach and better
support for the roach than what I’ve seen from North and UK. These are
just impressions from the photos. Hard to really judge without seeing
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[Max_Lent]

Posted by Max Lent (maxlent@…>)

Hi All,

I’m going to soon purchase a new main sail for my Freedom 21. The
best price I have been able to find has been through

Ed and Lisa Kaull
Lee Sails Northeast
615 Pine Drive
West Bay Shore, NY 11706

email: Quotes@…
phone: 631-665-6200
toll free: 1-877-665-SAIL (7245)
fax: 631-665-8710
web: http://www.LeeSailsNE.com

Ed has offered a discount on multiple orders at the same time. If
you order through Ed, please tell them I am co-ordering with you so
that we can both get the discount.

Lee Sails was recommended to me by Reese Palley, the author of
several very funny and enjoyable books on sailing. Reese has been
buying his sails from Lee sails for decades.

Max Lent
http://www.maxlent.com

[Dave_Benjamin]

Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Max,

If the only consideration is price why did you buy a Freedom? Seems
like a Hunter or Catalina would offer more for less money.

Lee sails are made in China. They are fine if you have a crab
crusher like a CT-41 where sail shape isn’t as critical. But you’ve
got a Freedom. And Freedom spars don’t behave like regular boats.

Reese Palley doesn’t sail a Freedom. And from what little I’ve read
of his work I don’t think he’s much an expert on sail design. If all
you want is a white triangle to fill that space between the boom and
the mast then by all means go for it. And be sure to post a picture
of how your sail looks in about 15 knots of wind. Be interesting to
see.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Max Lent” <maxlent@…>
wrote:

Hi All,

I’m going to soon purchase a new main sail for my Freedom 21. The
best price I have been able to find has been through

Ed and Lisa Kaull
Lee Sails Northeast
615 Pine Drive
West Bay Shore, NY 11706

email: Quotes@…
phone: 631-665-6200
toll free: 1-877-665-SAIL (7245)
fax: 631-665-8710
web: http://www.LeeSailsNE.com

Ed has offered a discount on multiple orders at the same time. If
you order through Ed, please tell them I am co-ordering with you
so
that we can both get the discount.

Lee Sails was recommended to me by Reese Palley, the author of
several very funny and enjoyable books on sailing. Reese has been
buying his sails from Lee sails for decades.

Max Lent
http://www.maxlent.com

[Max_Lent]

Posted by Max Lent (maxlent@…>)

Dave,

Ouch! I was just trying to be helpful and offering an alternative.

I’m sorry that you don’t care for Reese Palley’s writings. I for one
think that he is one of the most refreshing authors I have read on the
subject of sailing. I particularly enjoyed his perspective on the
blue blazered gold button yacht club types.

I’m also sorry that you are so quick to dismiss Lee Sails because they
are made in China. From what I have heard, a great many sails that
are sold in the U.S. are made abroad. In fact, there is a sail maker
in Thailand that makes racing sailing for many a racing yacht in
Australia and the South Pacific.

So Dave, lighten up a bit. I wasn’t attacking you or Haarstick sails
(which I have heard are some of the best in the world.) I was just
offering to help out a fellow Freedom sailor.

Max

[Paul_McFadden]

Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
How long did you own your CT-41 Dave? You must have had some bad experiences with it, huh? PWMDave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: Max,If the only consideration is price why did you buy a Freedom? Seems like a Hunter or Catalina would offer more for less money.Lee sails are made in China. They are fine if you have a crab crusher like a CT-41 where sail shape isn’t as critical. But you’ve got a Freedom. And Freedom spars don’t behave like regular boats. Reese Palley doesn’t sail a Freedom. And from what little I’ve read of his work I don’t think he’s much an expert on sail design. If all you want is a white triangle to fill that space between the boom and the mast then by all means go for it. And be sure to post a picture of how your sail looks in about 15 knots
of wind. Be interesting to see.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Max Lent” <maxlent@…> wrote:>> Hi All,> > I’m going to soon purchase a new main sail for my Freedom 21. The > best price I have been able to find has been through > > Ed and Lisa Kaull> Lee Sails Northeast> 615 Pine Drive> West Bay Shore, NY 11706> > email: Quotes@…> phone: 631-665-6200> toll free: 1-877-665-SAIL (7245)> fax: 631-665-8710> web: http://www.LeeSailsNE.com> > Ed has offered a discount on multiple orders at the same time. If > you order through Ed, please tell them I am co-ordering with you so > that we can both get the discount.> > Lee Sails was recommended to me by Reese Palley, the author of > several very funny and enjoyable books on
sailing. Reese has been > buying his sails from Lee sails for decades.> > Max Lent> http://www.maxlent.com>
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Posted by jerry_magic1 (jerry_magic1@…>)

— “Max Lent” wrote:

Ouch! I was just trying to be helpful and offering an alternative.

Hang in there Max. Non Illegitimi carborundum. Like any other
bulletin board there are always one or two ‘experts’ floating around.

My main sail is a Haarstick. It is the original boat equipment and it
is still doing fine. I replaced the jib a few years back and went with
a different vendor after discussions with several. Got turned off on
Haarstick not by the quality or price of the sail, but by Haarstick
himself. For my part anyone who wants to deal with Steve Haarstick is
welcome to him. He is not the only one that can produce a good product.

My jib is very satisfactory, and if I were in the market for a new
main, I’d certainly consider Lee Sails.

[Lorman_Alvin_J]

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Every time the discussion of sails comes up, someone says that they won’t buy Haarstick sails because they don’t want to deal with Steve Haarstick. I have two answers to that:

1. I found Steve a pleasure to deal with and a man of his word, even when it cost him money.

2. You don’t have to deal with Steve if you don’t want to. It is not a Mom and Pop operation.

I agree that he is not the only person out there who can make a good Freedom sail. If you had a bad experience with him, tell us why. But the ad hominem attacks add little to the discussion and strike me as unfair.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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[sward1]

Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
I asked and got a quote from Steve Harstick last summer and decided not to go with him. I got the nastiest return email telling me I was giving “His sail” to someone else to copy and that no one else was capable of making one but him. That I was just interested in price not quality. I said that it was my decision, that it was not His sail, that I thought that cost was an issue with me and that a local sailmaker with the dimentions and plan was capable of making a good one, which they did. He told me he was “pissed” and other off color comments. I was quite discusted with someone who was supposed to be in business with an attitude and rapor with potential customers like that. I would never do business with that man and don’t hesitate to tell you that also. That is my 2 cents. Sward PS My sail had been made by a different
manufacturer or sailmaker anyway. It was not the original or one made by him. jerry_magic1 <jerry_magic1@…> wrote: — “Max Lent” wrote:> Ouch! I was just trying to be helpful and offering an alternative. Hang in there Max. Non Illegitimi carborundum. Like any otherbulletin board there are always one or two ‘experts’ floating around. My main sail is a Haarstick. It is the original boat equipment and itis still doing fine. I replaced the jib a few years back and went witha different vendor after discussions with several. Got turned off onHaarstick not by the quality or price of the sail, but by Haarstickhimself. For my part anyone who wants to deal with Steve Haarstick iswelcome to him. He is not the only one that can produce a good
product.My jib is very satisfactory, and if I were in the market for a newmain, I’d certainly consider Lee Sails.

[Lorman_Alvin_J]

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Thanks for sharing that with us. Hard to defend that kind of behavior.

Al

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-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat Apr 29 16:45:43 2006
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Haarstick

I asked and got a quote from Steve Harstick last summer and decided not to go with him. I got the nastiest return email telling me I was giving “His sail” to someone else to copy and that no one else was capable of making one but him. That I was just interested in price not quality. I said that it was my decision, that it was not His sail, that I thought that cost was an issue with me and that a local sailmaker with the dimentions and plan was capable of making a good one, which they did. He told me he was “pissed” and other off color comments. I was quite discusted with someone who was supposed to be in business with an attitude and rapor with potential customers like that. I would never do business with that man and don’t hesitate to tell you that also.

That is my 2 cents.

Sward

PS My sail had been made by a different manufacturer or sailmaker anyway. It was not the original or one made by him.

jerry_magic1 <jerry_magic1@…> wrote:

— “Max Lent” wrote:

Ouch! I was just trying to be helpful and offering an alternative.

Hang in there Max. Non Illegitimi carborundum. Like any other
bulletin board there are always one or two ‘experts’ floating around.

My main sail is a Haarstick. It is the original boat equipment and it
is still doing fine. I replaced the jib a few years back and went with
a different vendor after discussions with several. Got turned off on
Haarstick not by the quality or price of the sail, but by Haarstick
himself. For my part anyone who wants to deal with Steve Haarstick is
welcome to him. He is not the only one that can produce a good product.

My jib is very satisfactory, and if I were in the market for a new
main, I’d certainly consider Lee Sails.










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Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:

I had Steve Haarstick screeching at me on the phone one day after I
ask him to make my Camberspar jib with full battens (just like the
one I was replacing.) The whole conversation was so insulting,
whacked out and confrontational it was dumbfounding. I’m sure
Haarstick sails are good ones. But I will say that Mr. Haarstick
himself was such a complete and total horse’s patoot that I
immediately started looking elsewhere. It’s weird, I know, when
talking about sailmakers that people often make a point about Steve
Haarstick`s unpleasant personality. All I can say is the thoroughness
with which this man is able to drive away a customer really must be
experienced to be appreciated.

I don’t see this as an ad hominem issue on any customer’s part (I
actually see it as a basic respect issue on his.) I also don’t see
that honestly reporting problems with a company as unfair. And if the
problem is a person then that may fairly be reported, too.

True, you might not have to deal with Steve Haarstick himself but
with my experience, I did come away with an absolute rule about
Haarstick Sails:

“I personally will never even consider buying anything from
Haarstick. Ever.”

For anyone else, get any sail you want.

\

Every time the discussion of sails comes up, someone says that they
won’t buy Haarstick sails because they don’t want to deal with Steve
Haarstick. I have two answers to that:

1. I found Steve a pleasure to deal with and a man of his word,
   even
   when it cost him money.

2. You don’t have to deal with Steve if you don’t want to. It is
   not a
   Mom and Pop operation.

I agree that he is not the only person out there who can make a good
Freedom sail. If you had a bad experience with him, tell us why.
But
the ad hominem attacks add little to the discussion and strike me as
unfair.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerry_magic1
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:46 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Haarstick

— “Max Lent” wrote:

Ouch! I was just trying to be helpful and offering an
alternative.

Hang in there Max. Non Illegitimi carborundum. Like any other
bulletin board there are always one or two ‘experts’ floating
around.

My main sail is a Haarstick. It is the original boat equipment and
it
is still doing fine. I replaced the jib a few years back and went
with
a different vendor after discussions with several. Got turned off
on
Haarstick not by the quality or price of the sail, but by Haarstick
himself. For my part anyone who wants to deal with Steve Haarstick
is
welcome to him. He is not the only one that can produce a good
product.

My jib is very satisfactory, and if I were in the market for a new
main, I’d certainly consider Lee Sails.

[Thomas_Carlton]

Posted by Thomas Carlton (Finesse@…>)

I had a contrasting experience about a year ago. I had gotten a quote and advice
from Steve Harstick. I told him up front that I was weighing the pros & cons of
using a local sailmaker. When I told him that I had chosen to go with a local
Ullman loft, I got an e-mail from Steve expressing understanding & wishing me
well.
Thomas
L’Audace, F-33 #66

— swardfullsail@… wrote:

From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Haarstick
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT)

I asked and got a quote from Steve Harstick last summer and
decided not to go with him. I got the nastiest return email
telling me I was giving “His sail” to someone else to copy and
that no one else was capable of making one but him. That I was
just interested in price not quality. I said that it was my
decision, that it was not His sail, that I thought that cost
was an issue with me and that a local sailmaker with the
dimentions and plan was capable of making a good one, which
they did. He told me he was “pissed” and other off color
comments. I was quite discusted with someone who was supposed
to be in business with an attitude and rapor with potential
customers like that. I would never do business with that man
and don’t hesitate to tell you that also.



That is my 2 cents.



Sward



PS My sail had been made by a different manufacturer or
sailmaker anyway. It was not the original or one made by him.
jerry_magic1 <jerry_magic1@…> wrote: