Haarstick

Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

Sounds like the gentleman has intermittent PMS. Herm

At 12:15 AM 4/30/2006, you wrote:

I had a contrasting experience about a year ago. I had gotten a
quote and advice from Steve Harstick. I told him up front that I was
weighing the pros & cons of using a local sailmaker. When I told him
that I had chosen to go with a local Ullman loft, I got an e-mail
from Steve expressing understanding & wishing me well.
Thomas
L’Audace, F-33 #66

— swardfullsail@… wrote:

From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Haarstick
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT)

I asked and got a quote from Steve Harstick last summer and
decided not to go with him. I got the nastiest return email
telling me I was giving “His sail” to someone else to copy and
that no one else was capable of making one but him. That I was
just interested in price not quality. I said that it was my
decision, that it was not His sail, that I thought that cost
was an issue with me and that a local sailmaker with the
dimentions and plan was capable of making a good one, which
they did. He told me he was “pissed” and other off color
comments. I was quite discusted with someone who was supposed
to be in business with an attitude and rapor with potential
customers like that. I would never do business with that man
and don’t hesitate to tell you that also.

That is my 2 cents.

Sward

PS My sail had been made by a different manufacturer or
sailmaker anyway. It was not the original or one made by him.
jerry_magic1 <jerry_magic1@…> wrote:

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

On the other hand, working with Jeff at their Rhode Island loft has
been an excellent experience.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:

Sounds like the gentleman has intermittent PMS. Herm

At 12:15 AM 4/30/2006, you wrote:

I had a contrasting experience about a year ago. I had gotten a
quote and advice from Steve Harstick. I told him up front that I
was
weighing the pros & cons of using a local sailmaker. When I told
him
that I had chosen to go with a local Ullman loft, I got an e-mail
from Steve expressing understanding & wishing me well.
Thomas
L’Audace, F-33 #66

— swardfullsail@… wrote:

From: Sward <swardfullsail@…>
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Haarstick
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT)

I asked and got a quote from Steve Harstick last summer and
decided not to go with him. I got the nastiest return email
telling me I was giving “His sail” to someone else to copy and
that no one else was capable of making one but him. That I was
just interested in price not quality. I said that it was my
decision, that it was not His sail, that I thought that cost
was an issue with me and that a local sailmaker with the
dimentions and plan was capable of making a good one, which
they did. He told me he was “pissed” and other off color
comments. I was quite discusted with someone who was supposed
to be in business with an attitude and rapor with potential
customers like that. I would never do business with that man
and don’t hesitate to tell you that also.

That is my 2 cents.

Sward

PS My sail had been made by a different manufacturer or
sailmaker anyway. It was not the original or one made by him.
jerry_magic1 <jerry_magic1@…> wrote:

Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted by dave@… (dave@…)

Second Jeff as a good guy.

On the other hand, working with Jeff at their Rhode Island loft has
been an excellent experience.

Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Never said I didn’t think Reese Palley wasn’t a good author. I was
referring to his knowledge of sails when it comes to Freedoms.
There’s a big difference between white triangles and sails. Reese is
happy with white triangles and his boat is not a performance cruiser
like most Freedoms.

We’re a dealer for “that sailmaker in Thailand” (aka Rolly Tasker)
so I’m not ignorant about the sail industry.

I’ve heard only good things about Haarstick so I don’t have any
trouble recommending them for Freedom owners. We can do sails for
freestanding rigs too but like I said this is more of a social hour
for me. I’m not here to pimp sails.

You’re right about sails being made abroad. I could easily switch to
a Chinese supplier and increase my profit margins. The problem with
China is you’re dealing with a whole different set of ethics. I have
friends with extensive background working in China. It’s not a place
I choose to do business nor will I put anything made there on my
boat if it’s a critical piece of equipment. There have been boats
lost because of Chinese made parts. There have been critical pieces
of hardware like anchor shackles that were purposely mislabelled so
some rat could make an extra few bucks. If I’m buying a brass
kerosene lantern Chinese is OK. So what if it tarnishes prematurely
because it’s not really quality brass. If it’s anything I need to
count on for real it’s not going to be Chinese. I consider the main
on a Freedom as the “engine.” I don’t recommend compromising on
design and quality to save a couple of bucks.

Buying the very cheapest thing you can find whether it’s a sail,
car, or hiring a contractor is generally unwise.





— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Max Lent” <maxlent@…>
wrote:

Dave,

Ouch! I was just trying to be helpful and offering an
alternative.

I’m sorry that you don’t care for Reese Palley’s writings. I for
one
think that he is one of the most refreshing authors I have read on
the
subject of sailing. I particularly enjoyed his perspective on the
blue blazered gold button yacht club types.

I’m also sorry that you are so quick to dismiss Lee Sails because
they
are made in China. From what I have heard, a great many sails
that
are sold in the U.S. are made abroad. In fact, there is a sail
maker
in Thailand that makes racing sailing for many a racing yacht in
Australia and the South Pacific.

So Dave, lighten up a bit. I wasn’t attacking you or Haarstick
sails
(which I have heard are some of the best in the world.) I was
just
offering to help out a fellow Freedom sailor.

Max

Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

I[ve got about 3 friends that own or have owned the CT-41 or similar
sisterships like the Seawolf. They agree with my assessment of
performance (crabcrusher). They bought the boat because they wanted
an inexpensive heavy displacement cruiser. They were willing to put
up with the associated shortcomings.

It’s a crabcrusher. Get over it.

Full keel. Heavy inefficient construction. Some of the original
systems installations were nightmares.

Ever work on one?

-– In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Paul McFadden
<pwhitmac@…> wrote:

How long did you own your CT-41 Dave? You must have had some bad
experiences with it, huh?
PWM

Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:
Max,

If the only consideration is price why did you buy a Freedom?
Seems
like a Hunter or Catalina would offer more for less money.

Lee sails are made in China. They are fine if you have a crab
crusher like a CT-41 where sail shape isn’t as critical. But
you’ve
got a Freedom. And Freedom spars don’t behave like regular boats.

Reese Palley doesn’t sail a Freedom. And from what little I’ve
read
of his work I don’t think he’s much an expert on sail design. If
all
you want is a white triangle to fill that space between the boom
and
the mast then by all means go for it. And be sure to post a
picture
of how your sail looks in about 15 knots of wind. Be interesting
to
see.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Max Lent” <maxlent@>
wrote:

Hi All,

I’m going to soon purchase a new main sail for my Freedom 21.
The
best price I have been able to find has been through

Ed and Lisa Kaull
Lee Sails Northeast
615 Pine Drive
West Bay Shore, NY 11706

email: Quotes@
phone: 631-665-6200
toll free: 1-877-665-SAIL (7245)
fax: 631-665-8710
web: http://www.LeeSailsNE.com

Ed has offered a discount on multiple orders at the same time.
If
you order through Ed, please tell them I am co-ordering with you
so
that we can both get the discount.

Lee Sails was recommended to me by Reese Palley, the author of
several very funny and enjoyable books on sailing. Reese has
been
buying his sails from Lee sails for decades.

Max Lent
http://www.maxlent.com

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Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
My question Dave was how long you owned “your” CT-41 to qualify you to make inflammatory comments about the design? Or is this just another one of your “expert by association” statements. As the board’s self appointed “expert”, I’m certain that you consider the term “crab crusher” to be cute, and very seaman-like. I find it lacking in substance, but then, I’m not the one who uses the term In closing Dave, I really don’t have anything to “get over”, but I really suspect that you do. PWMDave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: I[ve got about 3 friends that own or have owned the CT-41 or similar sisterships like the Seawolf. They agree with my assessment of performance (crabcrusher). They bought the boat because they wanted
an inexpensive heavy displacement cruiser. They were willing to put up with the associated shortcomings. It’s a crabcrusher. Get over it.Full keel. Heavy inefficient construction. Some of the original systems installations were nightmares. Ever work on one?-– In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Paul McFadden <pwhitmac@…> wrote:>> How long did you own your CT-41 Dave? You must have had some bad experiences with it, huh?> PWM> > Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:> Max,> > If the only consideration is price why did you buy a Freedom? Seems > like a Hunter or Catalina would offer more for less money.> > Lee sails are made in China. They are fine if you have a crab > crusher like a CT-41 where sail shape isn’t as critical. But you’ve > got a Freedom. And Freedom spars don’t behave
like regular boats. > > Reese Palley doesn’t sail a Freedom. And from what little I’ve read > of his work I don’t think he’s much an expert on sail design. If all > you want is a white triangle to fill that space between the boom and > the mast then by all means go for it. And be sure to post a picture > of how your sail looks in about 15 knots of wind. Be interesting to > see.> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Max Lent” <maxlent@> > wrote:> >> > Hi All,> > > > I’m going to soon purchase a new main sail for my Freedom 21. The > > best price I have been able to find has been through > > > > Ed and Lisa Kaull> > Lee Sails Northeast> > 615 Pine Drive> > West Bay Shore, NY 11706> > > > email: Quotes@> > phone: 631-665-6200>

toll free: 1-877-665-SAIL (7245)> > fax: 631-665-8710> > web: http://www.LeeSailsNE.com> > > > Ed has offered a discount on multiple orders at the same time. If > > you order through Ed, please tell them I am co-ordering with you > so > > that we can both get the discount.> > > > Lee Sails was recommended to me by Reese Palley, the author of > > several very funny and enjoyable books on sailing. Reese has been > > buying his sails from Lee sails for decades.> > > > Max Lent> > http://www.maxlent.com> >> > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Paul,
I don’t claim to be an expert on anything. However if you don’t
think the CT-41 and variants are heavy displacement full keel
cruisers then I don’t know what to tell you. Those of us that have
raced over the years have used the term “crabcrushers” to describe
full keel relatively slow moving boats for years.
I’ve crewed and worked on enought boats in nbearly 40 years of
sailing to have some strong opinions. If you don’t like them don’t
read my posts.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Paul McFadden
<pwhitmac@…> wrote:

My question Dave was how long you owned “your” CT-41 to qualify
you to make inflammatory comments about the design? Or is this just
another one of your “expert by association” statements.

As the board’s self appointed “expert”, I’m certain that you
consider the term “crab crusher” to be cute, and very seaman-like. I
find it lacking in substance, but then, I’m not the one who uses the
term

In closing Dave, I really don’t have anything to “get over”, but
I really suspect that you do.

PWM

Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:
I[ve got about 3 friends that own or have owned the CT-41 or
similar
sisterships like the Seawolf. They agree with my assessment of
performance (crabcrusher). They bought the boat because they
wanted
an inexpensive heavy displacement cruiser. They were willing to
put
up with the associated shortcomings.

It’s a crabcrusher. Get over it.

Full keel. Heavy inefficient construction. Some of the original
systems installations were nightmares.

Ever work on one?

-– In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Paul McFadden
<pwhitmac@> wrote:

How long did you own your CT-41 Dave? You must have had some bad
experiences with it, huh?
PWM

Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@> wrote:
Max,

If the only consideration is price why did you buy a Freedom?
Seems
like a Hunter or Catalina would offer more for less money.

Lee sails are made in China. They are fine if you have a crab
crusher like a CT-41 where sail shape isn’t as critical. But
you’ve
got a Freedom. And Freedom spars don’t behave like regular
boats.

Reese Palley doesn’t sail a Freedom. And from what little I’ve
read
of his work I don’t think he’s much an expert on sail design. If
all
you want is a white triangle to fill that space between the boom
and
the mast then by all means go for it. And be sure to post a
picture
of how your sail looks in about 15 knots of wind. Be interesting
to
see.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Max Lent” <maxlent@>
wrote:

Hi All,

I’m going to soon purchase a new main sail for my Freedom 21.
The
best price I have been able to find has been through

Ed and Lisa Kaull
Lee Sails Northeast
615 Pine Drive
West Bay Shore, NY 11706

email: Quotes@
phone: 631-665-6200
toll free: 1-877-665-SAIL (7245)
fax: 631-665-8710
web: http://www.LeeSailsNE.com

Ed has offered a discount on multiple orders at the same
time.
If
you order through Ed, please tell them I am co-ordering with
you
so
that we can both get the discount.

Lee Sails was recommended to me by Reese Palley, the author of
several very funny and enjoyable books on sailing. Reese has
been
buying his sails from Lee sails for decades.

Max Lent
http://www.maxlent.com

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Posted by kalicinm (kalicinm@…>)

I know there are conflicting opinions about Haarstick within this
board, but with my experience today…I thought I would share!!!
I sadly just made a nice 4’ tear in my jib and decided to contact
Haarstick for a quote for a new one (purely out of curiousity as I
plan on repairing it myself…hopefully to get through the season).
I talked with Tony who informed me that they are running a discount
until about Sept. 15% off a jib or mainsail, 20% off if you order
both. I figured it out at that rate, I could buy a mainsail and get
more than my jib for free!!! (Thought that was a good deal!)
Anyway, I was asking about the dacron and weight of the jib material
so I could get the right material to patch it myself, as a result,
TOny has already very nicely put some material in the mail for me to
use(at no cost to me).
My Haarstick customer service experience…Great!! as long as
those dacron pieces find it to my dock!!!

Cheers,
Melissa

Acedia F38

Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Melissa,
as you’ve probably gathered, it really depends on the wind, tide,
moon phase, and who you actually get on the phone when it comes to
Haarstick.

and I’ll keep my eyes open for you sailcloth as well, so it doesn’t
end up in the same place as the shampoo :wink:

Lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “kalicinm” <kalicinm@…>
wrote:

I know there are conflicting opinions about Haarstick within this
board, but with my experience today…I thought I would share!!!
I sadly just made a nice 4’ tear in my jib and decided to
contact
Haarstick for a quote for a new one (purely out of curiousity as I
plan on repairing it myself…hopefully to get through the
season).
I talked with Tony who informed me that they are running a
discount
until about Sept. 15% off a jib or mainsail, 20% off if you order
both. I figured it out at that rate, I could buy a mainsail and
get
more than my jib for free!!! (Thought that was a good deal!)
Anyway, I was asking about the dacron and weight of the jib
material
so I could get the right material to patch it myself, as a result,
TOny has already very nicely put some material in the mail for me
to
use(at no cost to me).
My Haarstick customer service experience…Great!! as long as
those dacron pieces find it to my dock!!!

Cheers,
Melissa

Acedia F38

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

You all realize that Haarstick monitors this group.
TW




At 08:31 PM 7/24/2006 +0000, you wrote:

Melissa,
as you’ve probably gathered, it really depends on the wind, tide,
moon phase, and who you actually get on the phone when it comes to
Haarstick.

and I’ll keep my eyes open for you sailcloth as well, so it doesn’t
end up in the same place as the shampoo :wink:

Lance

— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“kalicinm” <kalicinm@…>
wrote:

I know there are conflicting opinions about Haarstick within this
board, but with my experience today…I thought I would share!!!
I sadly just made a nice 4’ tear in my jib and decided to
contact
Haarstick for a quote for a new one (purely out of curiousity as I
plan on repairing it myself…hopefully to get through the
season).
I talked with Tony who informed me that they are running a
discount
until about Sept. 15% off a jib or mainsail, 20% off if you order
both. I figured it out at that rate, I could buy a mainsail and
get
more than my jib for free!!! (Thought that was a good deal!)
Anyway, I was asking about the dacron and weight of the jib
material
so I could get the right material to patch it myself, as a result,
TOny has already very nicely put some material in the mail for me
to
use(at no cost to me).
My Haarstick customer service experience…Great!! as long as
those dacron pieces find it to my dock!!!

Cheers,
Melissa

Acedia F38

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

So does the NSA.

Coincidence??


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Wales <twales@…>
wrote:

You all realize that Haarstick monitors this group.
TW

At 08:31 PM 7/24/2006 +0000, you wrote:

Melissa,
as you’ve probably gathered, it really depends on the wind, tide,
moon phase, and who you actually get on the phone when it comes to
Haarstick.

and I’ll keep my eyes open for you sailcloth as well, so it
doesn’t
end up in the same place as the shampoo :wink:

Lance

— In
<mailto:freedomyachts2003%
40yahoogroups.com>freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“kalicinm” <kalicinm@>
wrote:

I know there are conflicting opinions about Haarstick within
this
board, but with my experience today…I thought I would
share!!!
I sadly just made a nice 4’ tear in my jib and decided to
contact
Haarstick for a quote for a new one (purely out of curiousity
as I
plan on repairing it myself…hopefully to get through the
season).
I talked with Tony who informed me that they are running a
discount
until about Sept. 15% off a jib or mainsail, 20% off if you
order
both. I figured it out at that rate, I could buy a mainsail and
get
more than my jib for free!!! (Thought that was a good deal!)
Anyway, I was asking about the dacron and weight of the jib
material
so I could get the right material to patch it myself, as a
result,
TOny has already very nicely put some material in the mail for
me
to
use(at no cost to me).
My Haarstick customer service experience…Great!! as long as
those dacron pieces find it to my dock!!!

Cheers,
Melissa

Acedia F38

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

Yeah, both of them: The Nonsuch Sailors Association and the National
Security Administration.



— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@…> wrote:

So does the NSA.

Coincidence??

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Wales <twales@>
wrote:

You all realize that Haarstick monitors this group.
TW

At 08:31 PM 7/24/2006 +0000, you wrote:

Melissa,
as you’ve probably gathered, it really depends on the wind,
tide,
moon phase, and who you actually get on the phone when it comes
to
Haarstick.

and I’ll keep my eyes open for you sailcloth as well, so it
doesn’t
end up in the same place as the shampoo :wink:

Lance

— In
<mailto:freedomyachts2003%
40yahoogroups.com>freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“kalicinm” <kalicinm@>
wrote:

I know there are conflicting opinions about Haarstick within
this
board, but with my experience today…I thought I would
share!!!
I sadly just made a nice 4’ tear in my jib and decided to
contact
Haarstick for a quote for a new one (purely out of
curiousity
as I
plan on repairing it myself…hopefully to get through the
season).
I talked with Tony who informed me that they are running a
discount
until about Sept. 15% off a jib or mainsail, 20% off if you
order
both. I figured it out at that rate, I could buy a mainsail
and
get
more than my jib for free!!! (Thought that was a good deal!)
Anyway, I was asking about the dacron and weight of the jib
material
so I could get the right material to patch it myself, as a
result,
TOny has already very nicely put some material in the mail
for
me
to
use(at no cost to me).
My Haarstick customer service experience…Great!! as long as
those dacron pieces find it to my dock!!!

Cheers,
Melissa

Acedia F38

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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Lance, you’re a hoot! Sadly, you’re probably correct…



At 05:11 PM 7/25/2006 +0000, you wrote:

So does the NSA.

Coincidence??

— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Thomas Wales <twales@…>
wrote:

You all realize that Haarstick monitors this group.
TW

At 08:31 PM 7/24/2006 +0000, you wrote:

Melissa,
as you’ve probably gathered, it really depends on the wind, tide,
moon phase, and who you actually get on the phone when it comes to
Haarstick.

and I’ll keep my eyes open for you sailcloth as well, so it
doesn’t
end up in the same place as the shampoo :wink:

Lance

— In
<mailto:freedomyachts2003%
40yahoogroups.com>mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003
@yahoogroups.com,

“kalicinm” <kalicinm@>
wrote:

I know there are conflicting opinions about Haarstick within
this
board, but with my experience today…I thought I would
share!!!
I sadly just made a nice 4’ tear in my jib and decided to
contact
Haarstick for a quote for a new one (purely out of curiousity
as I
plan on repairing it myself…hopefully to get through the
season).
I talked with Tony who informed me that they are running a
discount
until about Sept. 15% off a jib or mainsail, 20% off if you
order
both. I figured it out at that rate, I could buy a mainsail and
get
more than my jib for free!!! (Thought that was a good deal!)
Anyway, I was asking about the dacron and weight of the jib
material
so I could get the right material to patch it myself, as a
result,
TOny has already very nicely put some material in the mail for
me
to
use(at no cost to me).
My Haarstick customer service experience…Great!! as long as
those dacron pieces find it to my dock!!!

Cheers,
Melissa

Acedia F38

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Posted by gjirak (gjirak@…>)

I would like to ditto the previous email regarding Haarstick. I
recently purchased a Freedom 38 and had the sails cleaned at Sailcare
and the sails shrunk. I had to recut the battens to fit the new
shape and cut one to small. I contacted Dave Sliom with Haarstick in
Annapolis and he came out to my boat on a Friday night, cut and
installed a new batten and even offered to come out sailing with me
and help us with trim and rigging. He offered all this for no charge
and only charged me $35 for the batten. I’ve never seen this level
of service in any other aspect of sailing.

George Jirak

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “kalicinm” <kalicinm@…>
wrote:

I know there are conflicting opinions about Haarstick within this

board, but with my experience today…I thought I would share!!!
I sadly just made a nice 4’ tear in my jib and decided to contact
Haarstick for a quote for a new one (purely out of curiousity as I
plan on repairing it myself…hopefully to get through the
season).
I talked with Tony who informed me that they are running a discount
until about Sept. 15% off a jib or mainsail, 20% off if you order
both. I figured it out at that rate, I could buy a mainsail and
get
more than my jib for free!!! (Thought that was a good deal!)
Anyway, I was asking about the dacron and weight of the jib
material
so I could get the right material to patch it myself, as a result,
TOny has already very nicely put some material in the mail for me
to
use(at no cost to me).
My Haarstick customer service experience…Great!! as long as
those dacron pieces find it to my dock!!!

Cheers,
Melissa

Acedia F38

Posted by Melissa (kalicinm@…>)
Hey Lance, I got my decron tape last week. no problem. However, did you read??? Jacqui out in Washington is GIVING away her spare sails!! I guess I will have a whole jib parceled to me any time now!! She was pretty pshyched to be so helpful. We’ll see, I guess, as long as it really reaches my dock as well! Um, my father is coming back next weekend. He was mentioning something about how to fix the steps in the mast…blah, blah, blah…I didnt really pay enough attention to the details. I’m splurging on a new smart charger for my batteries (and a new AGM battery to replace the one that I lack room for acid one I have now AND its battery box). Oh well, should be a good investment. Oh, I did want to ask if you knew…how tight should my forstay be? As I was taking down the jib, I noticed that there is a definate lack of
tension on the stay. That’s a project I guess I’ll try to tackle when Dad is here! Enjoying the heat?! (it was 108 degrees F on my boat when I got home last night!!) Cheers, Melissa"Pollution is a silent form of violence" -Ralph Nader
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Melissa,
I’m a cat ketch sort of guy but my understanding on those sloop
Freedoms is that the camberspar helps compensate for not having a
whole lot of forestay tension. Sorry I can’t be more helpful but I’m
pretty sure that your headstay does not require anywhere near the
amount of tension that would be required on a conventional sloop rig.
Someone at Haarstick or David Bierig in PA could probably offer some
advice if noone on the list gives you some info.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Melissa <kalicinm@…> wrote:

Oh, I did want to ask if you knew...how tight should my forstay

be? As I was taking down the jib, I noticed that there is a definate
lack of tension on the stay. That’s a project I guess I’ll try to
tackle when Dad is here!

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

The more you tighten the headstay, the more the mast will bend. The
forestay should be tight enough so it doesn’t flop around, but not as tight
as a conventionally rigged sailboat. When you raise your jib, tighten the
halyard enough to get the creases out and to make sure the camber spar
clears the mast upon tacking. I have found that to be tight enough.
Good luck.
TW F32 #20 Anoush Koon



At 08:27 PM 8/3/2006 +0000, you wrote:

Melissa,
I’m a cat ketch sort of guy but my understanding on those sloop
Freedoms is that the camberspar helps compensate for not having a
whole lot of forestay tension. Sorry I can’t be more helpful but I’m
pretty sure that your headstay does not require anywhere near the
amount of tension that would be required on a conventional sloop rig.
Someone at Haarstick or David Bierig in PA could probably offer some
advice if noone on the list gives you some info.

— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Melissa <kalicinm@…> wrote:

Oh, I did want to ask if you knew…how tight should my forstay
be? As I was taking down the jib, I noticed that there is a definate
lack of tension on the stay. That’s a project I guess I’ll try to
tackle when Dad is here!

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Basically just enough tension to keep it from flopping around. In short, not really tensioned, but not a log of sag.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave_BenjaminSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:27 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Haarstick

Melissa,I’m a cat ketch sort of guy but my understanding on those sloop Freedoms is that the camberspar helps compensate for not having a whole lot of forestay tension. Sorry I can’t be more helpful but I’m pretty sure that your headstay does not require anywhere near the amount of tension that would be required on a conventional sloop rig. Someone at Haarstick or David Bierig in PA could probably offer some advice if noone on the list gives you some info. — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Melissa <kalicinm@…> wrote:> Oh, I did want to ask if you knew…how tight should my forstay be? As I was taking down the jib, I noticed that there is a definate lack of tension on the stay. That’s a project I guess I’ll try to tackle when Dad is here! >

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

The manual says just remove the slack in the wire and no more. I
don’t know if it was Paul Dennis or Mark Edwards who gave me the
following rule of thumb: at shoulder height there should be enough
slack in the forestay to deviate 6" from rest position.

— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Melissa <kalicinm@…> wrote:

Hey Lance,
I got my decron tape last week. no problem. However, did you
read??? Jacqui out in Washington is GIVING away her spare sails!!
I guess I will have a whole jib parceled to me any time now!! She
was pretty pshyched to be so helpful. We’ll see, I guess, as long
as it really reaches my dock as well!
Um, my father is coming back next weekend. He was mentioning
something about how to fix the steps in the mast…blah, blah,
blah…I didnt really pay enough attention to the details. I’m
splurging on a new smart charger for my batteries (and a new AGM
battery to replace the one that I lack room for acid one I have now
AND its battery box). Oh well, should be a good investment.
Oh, I did want to ask if you knew…how tight should my
forstay be? As I was taking down the jib, I noticed that there is a
definate lack of tension on the stay. That’s a project I guess I’ll
try to tackle when Dad is here!
Enjoying the heat?! (it was 108 degrees F on my boat when I
got home last night!!)

Cheers,
Melissa

“Pollution is a silent form of violence”
-Ralph Nader


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Posted by Militello, Milo (milo.militello@…>)



Hi. I have a Hoyt F32 with the camberspar
jib . . . the forestay should have 6” of play in it and the jib
halyard should be taught.

Milo
Island blues






From:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave_Benjamin
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006
4:27 PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
Haarstick




Melissa,
I’m a cat ketch sort of guy but my understanding on those sloop
Freedoms is that the camberspar helps compensate for not having a
whole lot of forestay tension. Sorry I can’t be more helpful but I’m
pretty sure that your headstay does not require anywhere near the
amount of tension that would be required on a conventional sloop rig.
Someone at Haarstick or David Bierig in PA could probably offer some
advice if noone on the list gives you some info.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Melissa <kalicinm@…> wrote:

Oh, I did want to ask if you knew…how tight should my forstay
be? As I was taking down the jib, I noticed that there is a definate
lack of tension on the stay. That’s a project I guess I’ll try to
tackle when Dad is here!


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