Posted by Mike Kovacic (sailslakemichigan@…>)
Good Afternoon,
I own a Freedom 36 and the headliner is beginning to sag a bit. Has anyone else experieced this? If so, how have you remedied the problem? Thanks in advance for your ideas/assistance.
Mike
F36 Hull 98
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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)
I just completed the same project on my F36. It is a physically
awkward but technically simple job. Remove the side battens that run
the length of the salon. Remove the athwartship battens as you
remove each panel. Another pair of hands is helpful at this point.
Code the back of the battens for replacement.
The panels will not fit out the companionway. You need to truss them
up and bend them on their long axis. Three or 4 sail ties will do
the trick.
Once the panels are off the boat, lay them out flat and peel off
the old vinyl and sand off the residual foam. Inspect the panels for
water damage. If you find any, you’ve got leak/core problems to deal
with before you reinstall the headliner.
Headliner material is available from Paul Dennis at Warren River
Boat Works (401 245 6949) for about $11.00 /lf (54" wide). You will
need approx 38’ to do the entire boat. The best adhesive is Henrys
#356 available at any home depot. You will need a notched trowel and
close to 2 gals of adhesive.
Lay out your headlined material to size on the clean panel. Remove
it, apply the adhesive and relay. Again, another pair of hands is
helpful. Roll out the air bubbles with a clean paint roller. At this
point, you need to plan ahead. Edges that are covered with battens
can be trimmed flush. Edges that are exposed need to be wrapped
around the panel edge. Allow the adhesive to set up completely
before you trim.
Prior to reinstallation make sure you have prepunched any screw
holes for lights , handrails etc. Once they are up, you will have a
hell of a time trying to locate the hidden holes.
Reinstall from the bow first. You will have some difficulty with the
long side battens. Another pair of hands is good here too. Do not
reinstall the screws too tight. You need to even up the arc.
replacement screws for the lousy bronze originals are available at
http://www.chesfast.com/. Page 19 of the catalog ,Antique Bronze
colored Stainless machine screws.
Feel free to contact me off board if you have any questions.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kovacic
<sailslakemichigan@y…> wrote:
Good Afternoon,
I own a Freedom 36 and the headliner is beginning to sag a bit.
Has anyone else experieced this? If so, how have you remedied the
problem? Thanks in advance for your ideas/assistance.Mike
F36 Hull 98
Refuge
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Posted by tlynchlaw (pass@…>)
I just recently replaced the headliner in my Freedom 30. Because
the plywood had been damaged by water in some places (especially
around the hatch and the companionway), I replaced it all with luan,
which is slightly thicker than the original plywood. That
necessitated some planing on the back of the battens to get the
whole assembly back up again.
But the real reason I’m responding is because I was advised by two
upholsterers that the glue on the pre-glued headliner is poor and
will come apart again in about 5 years – leaving a sagging
headliner again. In fact, I ordered a sample of the stuff and found
that it separated VERY easily with just a little tug.
I ended up buying some marine grade headliner (without the foam
backing) at Joanne Fabrics for about $6 per yard. Then I had an
upholsterer glue marine-grade foam onto my luan and then glue the
marine grade headliner onto the foam (total cost was about $300).
He also wrapped the edges and stapled them. The result is
outstanding. The headliner is thick and soft, bright white and very
smart looking.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “macks011” <macks04@o…>
wrote:
I just completed the same project on my F36. It is a physically
awkward but technically simple job. Remove the side battens that
run
the length of the salon. Remove the athwartship battens as you
remove each panel. Another pair of hands is helpful at this point.
Code the back of the battens for replacement.The panels will not fit out the companionway. You need to truss
them
up and bend them on their long axis. Three or 4 sail ties will do
the trick.Once the panels are off the boat, lay them out flat and peel off
the old vinyl and sand off the residual foam. Inspect the panels
for
water damage. If you find any, you’ve got leak/core problems to
deal
with before you reinstall the headliner.Headliner material is available from Paul Dennis at Warren River
Boat Works (401 245 6949) for about $11.00 /lf (54" wide). You
will
need approx 38’ to do the entire boat. The best adhesive is Henrys
#356 available at any home depot. You will need a notched trowel
and
close to 2 gals of adhesive.Lay out your headlined material to size on the clean panel. Remove
it, apply the adhesive and relay. Again, another pair of hands is
helpful. Roll out the air bubbles with a clean paint roller. At
this
point, you need to plan ahead. Edges that are covered with battens
can be trimmed flush. Edges that are exposed need to be wrapped
around the panel edge. Allow the adhesive to set up completely
before you trim.Prior to reinstallation make sure you have prepunched any screw
holes for lights , handrails etc. Once they are up, you will have
a
hell of a time trying to locate the hidden holes.Reinstall from the bow first. You will have some difficulty with
the
long side battens. Another pair of hands is good here too. Do not
reinstall the screws too tight. You need to even up the arc.
replacement screws for the lousy bronze originals are available at
http://www.chesfast.com/. Page 19 of the catalog ,Antique Bronze
colored Stainless machine screws.Feel free to contact me off board if you have any questions.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kovacic
<sailslakemichigan@y…> wrote:Good Afternoon,
I own a Freedom 36 and the headliner is beginning to sag a bit.
Has anyone else experieced this? If so, how have you remedied the
problem? Thanks in advance for your ideas/assistance.Mike
F36 Hull 98
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Posted by jerry_magic1 (jerry_magic1@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kovacic
<sailslakemichigan@y…> wrote:
I own a Freedom 36 and the headliner is beginning to sag a bit. Has
anyone else experieced this? …
And now you know that many of us have faced the same problem. You
have received lots of good info on how to do the big job.
However, if your sagging is only in the salon, not really really bad
and not pulling out from the sides, you might have a simpler
solution. This was the case on my boat. I fixed it by adding an
additional 1 inch batten athwartships between each of the existing 2
inch battens to support the headliner in the salon area.
It looks great. Of course, I did not have the opportunity to examine
and rebed some of the deck harware fasteners as the others did. 
Posted by dsilvadcs (dsilvadcs@…>)
My '89 Freedom 38 has just started showing some headliner separation.
Has anyone tried injecting an adhesive with a syringe beweeen the
separated white vinyl looking piece and the spongy backing material to
glue it back in place?
Dexter Silva
“Windrush”
Posted by mike cunningham (seychellois_lib@…>)
Dex,
I considered that many times before I attacked a full
headliner replacement - by the way, there has been
some terrific advice here over the last few days -
What I found when I replaced my old headliner was that
the foam backing on the original material had
deteriorated into a powdery/disintegrating mess. I
suspect you would have a hard time getting reliable
adhesion between the old material and the plywood
liner unless you cleaned this stuff out. Might as well
bite the bullet and replace IMO. As noted by others it
gives you an opportunity to inspect and repair all the
stuff that’s bolted to the deck. I wish I had done
more upgrades before I slapped the new headliner up.
Now I guess I’ll have to wait a few more years…
boo-hoo.
— dsilvadcs <dsilvadcs@…> wrote:
My '89 Freedom 38 has just started showing some
headliner separation.
Has anyone tried injecting an adhesive with a
syringe beweeen the
separated white vinyl looking piece and the spongy
backing material to
glue it back in place?Dexter Silva
“Windrush”
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I didn’t try injecting glue into the headliner on my F30, but since replacing it (as opposed to simply reattaching it) was not on my agenda for this year, I did do a quick and dirty repair that has pretty much kept it in place. Where removing battens and trim made it possible to remove sections of the headliner, I did so. (I also took advantage of this to check for leaks where hardware was attached to the cabin top and to replace one of the deck organizers with a larger one and all of the rope clutches.) The vinyl comes off pretty easily. I scraped the crumbling foam off the back of the vinyl and the plywood backer using a paint scarper, reglued and reinstalled. On the F30, the largest single piece of headliner cannot be removed without either physically cutting it or removing (and destroying) the handrails that are bolted right through it. Since I considered this job a temporary fix, I sliced the piece in two in place using a razor; the cut runs along the centerline from the hatch to the companionway. This caused the loose liner to fall away to either side. I then cleaned the undersides as well as possible, given that each piece was still attached at one side, then applied glue and reattached. The single cut well be covered (one of these days) with a new a batten. It does not look like a new headliner, but you don’t bump your head into the hanging headliner any more and I’ve probably bought myself a year or two. until I completely replace it, probably with the beaded plywood discussed in other posts.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike cunninghamSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:08 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] HeadlinerDex,I considered that many times before I attacked a fullheadliner replacement - by the way, there has beensome terrific advice here over the last few days - What I found when I replaced my old headliner was thatthe foam backing on the original material haddeteriorated into a powdery/disintegrating mess. Isuspect you would have a hard time getting reliableadhesion between the old material and the plywoodliner unless you cleaned this stuff out. Might as wellbite the bullet and replace IMO. As noted by others itgives you an opportunity to inspect and repair all thestuff that’s bolted to the deck. I wish I had donemore upgrades before I slapped the new headliner up.Now I guess I’ll have to wait a few more years…boo-hoo.— dsilvadcs <dsilvadcs@…> wrote:> My '89 Freedom 38 has just started showing some> headliner separation.> Has anyone tried injecting an adhesive with a> syringe beweeen the> separated white vinyl looking piece and the spongy> backing material to> glue it back in place?> > Dexter Silva> “Windrush”> > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.htmlThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Posted by jerry_magic1 (jerry_magic1@…>)
OK, since I’ll probably have to do the big headliner job some day. On
the F36, how do you deal with the aft cabin door and bulkhead to get
at the area inside the aft cabin and the rope clutch/winch attachments?
Also, I assume the inside hand rail has to come down to do the salon
area - and are there any problems around the salon main hatch?
Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)
The area inside the aft cabin below the winches is a seperate panel.
Remove the door from its pins and remove the moldings that frame the
panel. You may or may not have to remove the molding that bisects
the
aft port. It is a tight fit and you may have to remove some of the
vertical molding pieces as well.
yes, the interior handrail has to come down as well, but it works to
your advantage. You can release all the other battens and the panel
will still be held in place by the hand rail.
The moldings around the companion way hatch are pretty straight
forward, just keeep track of what goes where. Buy new screws from
http://www.chesfast.com/. you’ll need an assortment of 3/4", 1", and
1-1/4", maybe a few 1-1/2". They sell them by the box or per each.
Oh yeah, the handiest tool you’ll find for this job is an ice pick.
Worth its weight in gold for finding the screw locations while
you’re
juggling the panel, batten, screw and driver in your other hand.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “jerry_magic1”
<jerry_magic1@y…> wrote:
OK, since I’ll probably have to do the big headliner job some day.
On
the F36, how do you deal with the aft cabin door and bulkhead to
get
at the area inside the aft cabin and the rope clutch/winch
attachments?
Also, I assume the inside hand rail has to come down to do the
salon
area - and are there any problems around the salon main hatch?
Posted by Jim Demerest (jdemer@…>)
When I replaced the headliner I cut the large panels in two and had two additional battens made. Made the job a lot easier and I like the way it looks. Also, added an additional hand rail forward between the head and main cabin.
Jim Demerest
Lady of Remes
F36/38
Posted by Mike Kovacic (sailslakemichigan@…>)
Good Afternoon,
Just a note to say thanks to all who responded on the headliner discussion. Sounds like it is going to be a pretty big job and although it needs to be done, since our season is short here in the Great Lakes, I am going to wait until the fall to take down the existing panels and work on it over the winter!
I appreciate all the response!
Thanks
Mike
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Posted by mgkatz@… (mgkatz@…)
Folks–
I am 1300 miles from home, cruising my F-38 this summer, and only access to computer is a library computer. I came to my boat and found that the vinyl headliner had separated from the foam backing on ceiling of cabin top in several places, and pulled free from the teak battens across ceiling. (Humidity from storage down south, not doubt.)
I know this has been discussed before, and I have saved the posts…but unfortunately I cannot access them from here. Could I impose on someone to summarize the possible “fixes” as I look into this?
Thanks,
Michael Katz
Freedom 38
“Acquittal”
Posted by Larry Strouse (captainl@…>)
I had same problem with 1994 F35. Took headliner loose in sections , primarily from transverse batten to transverse batten or bulkhead. Removed all of foam backing by sanding and scraping with putty knife.
Replaced with a special 3M product for vinyl. Painted it on with a paint brush and made sure to cover every little inch. Started at batten with a wallpaper roller getting all the air bubbles and voids out as the headliner stretched toward the bulkhead. Had all adjacent vinyl covered pads around edge down as well. after completion of rolling re-installed pads and battens around edge.
Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mgkatz@…Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:28 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Headliner
Folks–
I am 1300 miles from home, cruising my F-38 this summer, and only access to computer is a library computer. I came to my boat and found that the vinyl headliner had separated from the foam backing on ceiling of cabin top in several places, and pulled free from the teak battens across ceiling. (Humidity from storage down south, not doubt.)
I know this has been discussed before, and I have saved the posts…but unfortunately I cannot access them from here. Could I impose on someone to summarize the possible “fixes” as I look into this?
Thanks,
Michael Katz
Freedom 38
“Acquittal”
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
I have the same problem on my current Freedom and the previous one.
This foam backed vinyl stuff is good for 15 years, after that its
gone. The wood under my headliners is also rotted away on many place
and full of mildew in most other places. This boat has lived on the
Gulf coast for 15 years, so there ye go.
I’m going to replace all my headliners with a solid plate material
like foamed PVC or PE. I don’t want wood or foam anymore.
If someone has a good idea about which sheet materials are good to
use (what do they use in trailers and mobile homes as wall and
ceiling material?) then please let me know, because I haven’t foud
the most suitable material yet.
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry Strouse”
<captainl@…> wrote:
I had same problem with 1994 F35. Took headliner loose in
sections ,
primarily from transverse batten to transverse batten or
bulkhead. Removed
all of foam backing by sanding and scraping with putty knife.Replaced with a special 3M product for vinyl. Painted it on with
a paint
brush and made sure to cover every little inch. Started at batten
with a
wallpaper roller getting all the air bubbles and voids out as the
headliner
stretched toward the bulkhead. Had all adjacent vinyl covered
pads around
edge down as well. after completion of rolling re-installed pads
and
battens around edge.Capt. Larry E. Strouse
72 Forest Green Drive
Mandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home
504 835 8505 Office
504 382 6078 Cell-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:28 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] HeadlinerFolks–
I am 1300 miles from home, cruising my F-38 this summer, and
only access
to computer is a library computer. I came to my boat and found
that the
vinyl headliner had separated from the foam backing on ceiling of
cabin top
in several places, and pulled free from the teak battens across
ceiling.
(Humidity from storage down south, not doubt.)
I know this has been discussed before, and I have saved the
posts…but
unfortunately I cannot access them from here. Could I impose on
someone to
summarize the possible “fixes” as I look into this?
Thanks,
Michael Katz
Freedom 38
“Acquittal”
Posted by Chuck Bates (cgb323@…>)
You might use Formica. I tried it in my forward cabin about 8 years
ago and have had no prblems at all with it.
Chuck
— “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote:
I have the same problem on my current Freedom and the previous one.
This foam backed vinyl stuff is good for 15 years, after that its
gone. The wood under my headliners is also rotted away on many place
and full of mildew in most other places. This boat has lived on the
Gulf coast for 15 years, so there ye go.I’m going to replace all my headliners with a solid plate material
like foamed PVC or PE. I don’t want wood or foam anymore.If someone has a good idea about which sheet materials are good to
use (what do they use in trailers and mobile homes as wall and
ceiling material?) then please let me know, because I haven’t foud
the most suitable material yet.Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry Strouse”
<captainl@…> wrote:I had same problem with 1994 F35. Took headliner loose in
sections ,
primarily from transverse batten to transverse batten or
bulkhead. Removed
all of foam backing by sanding and scraping with putty knife.Replaced with a special 3M product for vinyl. Painted it on with
a paint
brush and made sure to cover every little inch. Started at batten
with a
wallpaper roller getting all the air bubbles and voids out as the
headliner
stretched toward the bulkhead. Had all adjacent vinyl covered
pads around
edge down as well. after completion of rolling re-installed pads
and
battens around edge.Capt. Larry E. Strouse
72 Forest Green Drive
Mandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home
504 835 8505 Office
504 382 6078 Cell-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:28 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] HeadlinerFolks–
I am 1300 miles from home, cruising my F-38 this summer, and
only access
to computer is a library computer. I came to my boat and found
that the
vinyl headliner had separated from the foam backing on ceiling of
cabin top
in several places, and pulled free from the teak battens across
ceiling.
(Humidity from storage down south, not doubt.)
I know this has been discussed before, and I have saved the
posts…but
unfortunately I cannot access them from here. Could I impose on
someone to
summarize the possible “fixes” as I look into this?
Thanks,
Michael Katz
Freedom 38
“Acquittal”
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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Thanks Chuck, for your suggestion.
What’s on the back of the Formica? Here in the country we only have
formica with course or very fine (dark brown) chipboard or MDF on
the back, and that’s not very resistant to moist. But maybe there’s
a treatment to make is impermeable to moist? Perhaps I could rol on
a layer of epoxy on the back of the formica sheets.
Any thoughts on this subject are welcome.
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Bates <cgb323@…>
wrote:
You might use Formica. I tried it in my forward cabin about 8
years
ago and have had no prblems at all with it.Chuck
— “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote:
I have the same problem on my current Freedom and the previous
one.
This foam backed vinyl stuff is good for 15 years, after that
its
gone. The wood under my headliners is also rotted away on many
place
and full of mildew in most other places. This boat has lived on
the
Gulf coast for 15 years, so there ye go.I’m going to replace all my headliners with a solid plate
material
like foamed PVC or PE. I don’t want wood or foam anymore.If someone has a good idea about which sheet materials are good
to
use (what do they use in trailers and mobile homes as wall and
ceiling material?) then please let me know, because I haven’t
foud
the most suitable material yet.Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry Strouse”
<captainl@> wrote:I had same problem with 1994 F35. Took headliner loose in
sections ,
primarily from transverse batten to transverse batten or
bulkhead. Removed
all of foam backing by sanding and scraping with putty knife.Replaced with a special 3M product for vinyl. Painted it on
with
a paint
brush and made sure to cover every little inch. Started at
batten
with a
wallpaper roller getting all the air bubbles and voids out as
the
headliner
stretched toward the bulkhead. Had all adjacent vinyl covered
pads around
edge down as well. after completion of rolling re-installed
pads
and
battens around edge.Capt. Larry E. Strouse
72 Forest Green Drive
Mandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home
504 835 8505 Office
504 382 6078 Cell-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mgkatz@
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:28 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] HeadlinerFolks–
I am 1300 miles from home, cruising my F-38 this summer, and
only access
to computer is a library computer. I came to my boat and
found
that the
vinyl headliner had separated from the foam backing on ceiling
of
cabin top
in several places, and pulled free from the teak battens
across
ceiling.
(Humidity from storage down south, not doubt.)
I know this has been discussed before, and I have saved the
posts…but
unfortunately I cannot access them from here. Could I impose
on
someone to
summarize the possible “fixes” as I look into this?
Thanks,
Michael Katz
Freedom 38
“Acquittal”
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Michel:
In the US, Formica and other similar products are actually a high pressure laminate made of multiple lawyers of paper impregnated with resin and color on the top. While not advertised as waterproof, I believe it is reasonably so. It is typically no thicker than 1/16th of an inch, and is actually available in 1/32 of an inch as well. What you are describing sounds more like a laminate covered building panel.
I have had the headliner delamination problem as well, and while I have made a temporary fix by regluing the plastic after scraping off the foam, I have been researching alternatives. There are a variety of solid plastic materials available in sheets which would easily take the required curve. This summer, I am experimenting in one corner of the main cabin with a piece of beaded plywood painted white, which the is the typical Herreshoff look in older US boats. If I go that route, I would coat both sides with epoxy before painting.
Al
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capelSent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:35 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Headliner
Thanks Chuck, for your suggestion. What’s on the back of the Formica? Here in the country we only have formica with course or very fine (dark brown) chipboard or MDF on the back, and that’s not very resistant to moist. But maybe there’s a treatment to make is impermeable to moist? Perhaps I could rol on a layer of epoxy on the back of the formica sheets. Any thoughts on this subject are welcome.michel— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Bates <cgb323@…> wrote:>> You might use Formica. I tried it in my forward cabin about 8 years> ago and have had no prblems at all with it.> > Chuck > > — “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote:> > > I have the same problem on my current Freedom and the previous one. > > This foam backed vinyl stuff is good for 15 years, after that its > > gone. The wood under my headliners is also rotted away on many place > > and full of mildew in most other places. This boat has lived on the > > Gulf coast for 15 years, so there ye go. > > > > I’m going to replace all my headliners with a solid plate material > > like foamed PVC or PE. I don’t want wood or foam anymore. > > > > If someone has a good idea about which sheet materials are good to > > use (what do they use in trailers and mobile homes as wall and > > ceiling material?) then please let me know, because I haven’t foud > > the most suitable material yet.> > > > Michel> > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry Strouse” > > <captainl@> wrote:> > >> > > I had same problem with 1994 F35. Took headliner loose in > > sections ,> > > primarily from transverse batten to transverse batten or > > bulkhead. Removed> > > all of foam backing by sanding and scraping with putty knife.> > > > > > Replaced with a special 3M product for vinyl. Painted it on with > > a paint> > > brush and made sure to cover every little inch. Started at batten > > with a> > > wallpaper roller getting all the air bubbles and voids out as the > > headliner> > > stretched toward the bulkhead. Had all adjacent vinyl covered > > pads around> > > edge down as well. after completion of rolling re-installed pads > > and> > > battens around edge.> > > > > > Capt. Larry E. Strouse> > > 72 Forest Green Drive> > > Mandeville, LA 70448> > > > > > 985 674 1672 Home> > > 504 835 8505 Office> > > 504 382 6078 Cell> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mgkatz@> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:28 PM> > > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Headliner> > > > > > > > > > > > Folks–> > > I am 1300 miles from home, cruising my F-38 this summer, and > > only access> > > to computer is a library computer. I came to my boat and found > > that the> > > vinyl headliner had separated from the foam backing on ceiling of > > cabin top> > > in several places, and pulled free from the teak battens across > > ceiling.> > > (Humidity from storage down south, not doubt.)> > > I know this has been discussed before, and I have saved the > > posts…but> > > unfortunately I cannot access them from here. Could I impose on > > someone to> > > summarize the possible “fixes” as I look into this?> > > Thanks,> > > Michael Katz> > > Freedom 38> > > “Acquittal”> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com>
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Posted by Chuck Bates (cgb323@…>)
The back of the sheet I bought was a dark brown, smooth surface. It
has not been affected by any water. The laminate is only about 1/16th
thick. I would suggest gluing something on the back to make less
likely to crack, perhaps a thick (3mil or so) sheet of plastic or
fiberglass.
Chuck
— “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote:
Thanks Chuck, for your suggestion.
What’s on the back of the Formica? Here in the country we only have
formica with course or very fine (dark brown) chipboard or MDF on
the back, and that’s not very resistant to moist. But maybe there’s
a treatment to make is impermeable to moist? Perhaps I could rol on
a layer of epoxy on the back of the formica sheets.Any thoughts on this subject are welcome.
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Bates <cgb323@…>
wrote:You might use Formica. I tried it in my forward cabin about 8
years
ago and have had no prblems at all with it.Chuck
— “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote:
I have the same problem on my current Freedom and the previous
one.
This foam backed vinyl stuff is good for 15 years, after that
its
gone. The wood under my headliners is also rotted away on many
place
and full of mildew in most other places. This boat has lived on
the
Gulf coast for 15 years, so there ye go.I’m going to replace all my headliners with a solid plate
material
like foamed PVC or PE. I don’t want wood or foam anymore.If someone has a good idea about which sheet materials are good
to
use (what do they use in trailers and mobile homes as wall and
ceiling material?) then please let me know, because I haven’t
foud
the most suitable material yet.Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry Strouse”
<captainl@> wrote:I had same problem with 1994 F35. Took headliner loose in
sections ,
primarily from transverse batten to transverse batten or
bulkhead. Removed
all of foam backing by sanding and scraping with putty knife.Replaced with a special 3M product for vinyl. Painted it on
with
a paint
brush and made sure to cover every little inch. Started at
batten
with a
wallpaper roller getting all the air bubbles and voids out as
the
headliner
stretched toward the bulkhead. Had all adjacent vinyl covered
pads around
edge down as well. after completion of rolling re-installed
pads
and
battens around edge.Capt. Larry E. Strouse
72 Forest Green Drive
Mandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home
504 835 8505 Office
504 382 6078 Cell-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:28 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] HeadlinerFolks–
I am 1300 miles from home, cruising my F-38 this summer, and
only access
to computer is a library computer. I came to my boat and
found
that the
vinyl headliner had separated from the foam backing on ceiling
of
cabin top
in several places, and pulled free from the teak battens
across
ceiling.
(Humidity from storage down south, not doubt.)
I know this has been discussed before, and I have saved the
posts…but
unfortunately I cannot access them from here. Could I impose
on
someone to
summarize the possible “fixes” as I look into this?
Thanks,
Michael Katz
Freedom 38
“Acquittal”
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Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
Consider a plastic laminate product like “Formica” (brand name). It used to be the standard material to cover kitchen counter surfaces in the US (I’ve seen it in Europe also). It if fairly flexible, but stiff enough to work very well on an overhead application, plus, it comes in about a billion patterns. I have used it on a boat and a Prevost conversion I did a few years back and was very satisfied with the way it looked, and performed. PWM"michel.capel" <michel.capel@…> wrote: I have the same
problem on my current Freedom and the previous one. This foam backed vinyl stuff is good for 15 years, after that its gone. The wood under my headliners is also rotted away on many place and full of mildew in most other places. This boat has lived on the Gulf coast for 15 years, so there ye go. I’m going to replace all my headliners with a solid plate material like foamed PVC or PE. I don’t want wood or foam anymore. If someone has a good idea about which sheet materials are good to use (what do they use in trailers and mobile homes as wall and ceiling material?) then please let me know, because I haven’t foud the most suitable material yet.Michel— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry Strouse” <captainl@…> wrote:>> I had same problem with 1994 F35. Took headliner loose in sections ,> primarily
from transverse batten to transverse batten or bulkhead. Removed> all of foam backing by sanding and scraping with putty knife.> > Replaced with a special 3M product for vinyl. Painted it on with a paint> brush and made sure to cover every little inch. Started at batten with a> wallpaper roller getting all the air bubbles and voids out as the headliner> stretched toward the bulkhead. Had all adjacent vinyl covered pads around> edge down as well. after completion of rolling re-installed pads and> battens around edge.> > Capt. Larry E. Strouse> 72 Forest Green Drive> Mandeville, LA 70448> > 985 674 1672 Home> 504 835 8505 Office> 504 382 6078 Cell> > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mgkatz@…> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:28 PM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Headliner> > > > Folks–> I am 1300 miles from home, cruising my F-38 this summer, and only access> to computer is a library computer. I came to my boat and found that the> vinyl headliner had separated from the foam backing on ceiling of cabin top> in several places, and pulled free from the teak battens across ceiling.> (Humidity from storage down south, not doubt.)> I know this has been discussed before, and I have saved the posts…but> unfortunately I cannot access them from here. Could I impose on someone to> summarize the possible “fixes” as I
look into this?> Thanks,> Michael Katz> Freedom 38> “Acquittal”>
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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Al,
I’ve been thinking about that too. I’m going to give my interior a
classic Heresoff look anyway. The F44 is a dark cave, so I’m going
to paint some or all vertical bulkheads and the strips screwed to
the inside of the hull in a semigloss creamwhite. All the furniture
will remain varnished. A ceiling of painted panels would fit nicely.
With all the battens already there, I would not opt for beaded
panes, but rather plain ones or perhaps with just a thin groove
every 2" to have a planked look.
I would cover both sides with a permeable cream colored paint like I
use on the outside wouldwork of my house. This is weaterproof and
lets moist pass from the wood. I’m wary of having to redo this job
again in a few years time because the plywood desintegrates. I’d use
the best quality marine plywood in 5 mm or 6 mm panels.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:
Michel:
In the US, Formica and other similar products are actually a high
pressure laminate made of multiple lawyers of paper impregnated
with
resin and color on the top. While not advertised as waterproof, I
believe it is reasonably so. It is typically no thicker than
1/16th of
an inch, and is actually available in 1/32 of an inch as well.
What you
are describing sounds more like a laminate covered building panel.I have had the headliner delamination problem as well, and while I
have
made a temporary fix by regluing the plastic after scraping off the
foam, I have been researching alternatives. There are a variety of
solid plastic materials available in sheets which would easily
take the
required curve. This summer, I am experimenting in one corner of
the
main cabin with a piece of beaded plywood painted white, which the
is
the typical Herreshoff look in older US boats. If I go that
route, I
would coat both sides with epoxy before painting.Al
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
michel.capel
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:35 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: HeadlinerThanks Chuck, for your suggestion.
What’s on the back of the Formica? Here in the country we only
have
formica with course or very fine (dark brown) chipboard or MDF on
the back, and that’s not very resistant to moist. But maybe
there’s
a treatment to make is impermeable to moist? Perhaps I could rol
on
a layer of epoxy on the back of the formica sheets.Any thoughts on this subject are welcome.
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , Chuck Bates
<cgb323@>
wrote:You might use Formica. I tried it in my forward cabin about 8
years
ago and have had no prblems at all with it.Chuck
— “michel.capel” <michel.capel@> wrote:
I have the same problem on my current Freedom and the previous
one.
This foam backed vinyl stuff is good for 15 years, after that
its
gone. The wood under my headliners is also rotted away on many
place
and full of mildew in most other places. This boat has lived
on
the
Gulf coast for 15 years, so there ye go.I’m going to replace all my headliners with a solid plate
material
like foamed PVC or PE. I don’t want wood or foam anymore.If someone has a good idea about which sheet materials are
good
to
use (what do they use in trailers and mobile homes as wall and
ceiling material?) then please let me know, because I haven’t
foud
the most suitable material yet.Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Larry Strouse”
<captainl@> wrote:I had same problem with 1994 F35. Took headliner loose in
sections ,
primarily from transverse batten to transverse batten or
bulkhead. Removed
all of foam backing by sanding and scraping with putty knife.Replaced with a special 3M product for vinyl. Painted it on
with
a paint
brush and made sure to cover every little inch. Started at
batten
with a
wallpaper roller getting all the air bubbles and voids out
as
the
headliner
stretched toward the bulkhead. Had all adjacent vinyl
covered
pads around
edge down as well. after completion of rolling re-installed
pads
and
battens around edge.Capt. Larry E. Strouse
72 Forest Green Drive
Mandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home
504 835 8505 Office
504 382 6078 Cell-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:28 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] HeadlinerFolks–
I am 1300 miles from home, cruising my F-38 this summer, and
only access
to computer is a library computer. I came to my boat and
found
that the
vinyl headliner had separated from the foam backing on
ceiling
of
cabin top
in several places, and pulled free from the teak battens
across
ceiling.
(Humidity from storage down south, not doubt.)
I know this has been discussed before, and I have saved the
posts…but
unfortunately I cannot access them from here. Could I impose
on
someone to
summarize the possible “fixes” as I look into this?
Thanks,
Michael Katz
Freedom 38
“Acquittal”
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